What is going on in the BRS!

scruffdog


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Message Posted:
24/05/2010 16:40

What is going on at the BRS! Today I received an email detailing the entire list of signatories to various resolutions requiring answers at the EGM… but I still await the email detailing these resolutions! Last week I received from the acting chairman a statement but still have not received the original statement from the then chairman, regarding the events surrounding the sending of erroneous text messages which were sent with disregard to understandings given at the recent AGM! In light of the anger felt by many members, miss-information, rumors and fractured responses from the present committee, would it not be incumbent and ethical of them to all resign and stand for re-election at the forth coming EGM! It is now too late possibly by maneuverings by the present committee to summit any further resolution to ask the committee to stand down, therefore is it not now that the voice of the members can only be heard from the body of the floor during the EGM, if we get a chance!

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
24/05/2010 16:54

What a load of **** (as my old Uncle Percy would say)....



What the heck have the BRS done in the 10 or so years they have been around to help the plights of the Brits that have bought in the TRNC......



here - you can put the answer on the back of this postage stamp......

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
24/05/2010 17:27

Hi I am one of the named signatures. The so calleed acting Chairman sent it out with no explanation. The dirty tricks brigade comes to mind !!!! I will be at the EGM and I hope so will all members as so much has gone on and its about time the members knew the truth. I am Terry Hill recently resigned from the sub-committee as I kept hitting closed doors and I believe hidden agenda's.

Terry

scruffdog


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Message Posted:
24/05/2010 17:38

Hi Rocker...

Agree... understand that Mr D Brown sent the orignal text messages... he was at and elected during the AGM and should known the feeling of the members regarding information being used for private matters!!!! He must have known his action were not what the members wanted! Also anyone of the other commitee members seeing these text's would know the member reactions! We have just had an election in the UK where a party was quick to drop it's leader to cling to power... is Mr Cole being used as 'fall-guy"... how can we have trust in the present committee... they too must stand and be counted!

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
24/05/2010 17:47

If you are members, ask them!! If not.....what has it got to do with you?

Rocker



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Message Posted:
24/05/2010 17:52

Re Msg 4 Well said and as members (please note msg5) we will see what is said at the EGM by the acting Chairman

Rocker

david9


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Message Posted:
24/05/2010 17:54

Hilltop



I think your thoughts apply to NN and a lot of others!!!

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
24/05/2010 17:59

So right Hilltop a lot of comments are coming from people who are not members nor likely to be.So let the BRS members sort it. It seems a lot of people want the BRS to collapse so they can stand up and say told you, the idea of having a loud voice ( BRS) is that they will be heard,stand alone and shout no one gives a damn about individuals. So come on lets get it sorted and then move on and have unity.

scruffdog


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Posts: 742

Message Posted:
24/05/2010 18:18

in reply... it has a lot to do with me... 4 years over here and paid-up member each of those years. Re msg. 2... can see from comments like this just why some Brit will not use Cyprus44. If that is the state of his comments... best he stays where he is... living within his own stupid ego!!!!! I would not comment if I were not a member and wanted a strong body to speak for the Brits. There are problems which if we talk them through, understand the good and best reasons and cull the waste, the BRS will become strong... we need openness... something that I hoped was coming out of the last AGM. What happened!!!!!

RickF64


Joined: 07/01/2009
Posts: 173

Message Posted:
24/05/2010 19:20

All BRS memebrs should have received "A Detailed Report" dated 11/12th May 2010, from Morton Coles then Chair of the BRS. This was followed by further emails on 16th/17th May detailing the reasons for Mr Cole's resignation and a joint statement with Mr John Wenborn, the former BRS Treasurer.

Cyprus Today, May 19th published a further report under the heading 'Failing' BRS......... which asked for the previous report to be 'withdrawn' due to "unintentional inaccuracies"........

The 5th June EGM Agenda items are available at the various BRS locations as of last week and have also been emailed to members, apparently. The signatories to those items has also been sent out via email, to what end I wonder?

I think the EGM is now inevitable and the truth must be clearly told to all members. I do not want the BRS to "collapse", but I do want (and surely we have the right?) to know what's going on within a society that supposedly represents all of the members best interests?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
24/05/2010 20:00

Hilltop et al.

My take on it all is that I have been waiting to join the BRS on condition that it got itself sorted out. The BRS has always been in turmoil and until it it gets itself sorted out then it is going to be an impotent organisation.

I want it to succeed and represent every Brit expat (and other nationalities) in the TRNC. But my belief is that they are so self centred that with the present organisation they will never succeed.

AJ

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
24/05/2010 23:17

Can anyone give a brief explanation as to exactly what is going on with the BRS? How come it seems to have imploded?

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/05/2010 23:59

eh where have you been hector , they are a bunch of self appointed nothings , they get theyre picture taking with the mayor at the malpas hotel every xmas , apart from that theyre the usuall nobodys ,who think theyre somebodys , get the picture old chap , oh and in case you forget ,the only reason they go to the mayors xmas party is because its free , LMAO , hypocrites or what .

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 01:11

Actually I think you'll find that rather than being "self appointed" they are democratically elected.



But don't let that small distinction get in the way of a totally ignorant rant.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 08:09

Interesting point Newscoop.



As in most elections involving "clubs" the number who vote is always disproportionate to the number of members. If what was reproted in the press is anywhere near correct it was about 170 voted for the new treasurer, total member ship about 1200!!!!!



This is a lower percentage of all that votes in UK council elections at around 30% and a lot lower than in American persidential elections recently when just over 50% turn out.



This again summarises the apathy of people here over most things.



If the BRS changed to be a fully inclusive organisation and not the pleasant little club it appears to most of us then it could become an organisation to help the government of TRNC with some of problems foreigners have here. If Marian Stokes can sort out many individual and whole site issues on her own why cannot the "power" of the BRS do the same.



AJ says the same thing on every thread about BRS and he is right again in msg 11

scruffdog


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Posts: 742

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 08:47

Nice comment msg 15.... a claimed total membership of 1200....after this current mess what will the numbers be come this time next year after we have all been ask to renew!!! Apathy not only from the members about how the BRS is run but also from the committee.

For how long have we been told that the new all singing wed-site is coming to a computer near us! How long have we been told... oh yes we will email details to members who request it!!! A point made in msg 10!!!

Still maybe the BRS could bring this up at the next mayor xmas party just like the way the bring up the problem we ex-pats have in the TRNC!!!!!!

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 08:52

But what EXACTLY caused this 'imploding'? All i seem to understand is, that a text message went out, some bloke resigned and everyone is angry! What was the text about? Why did the bloke resign? What happened to make everyone so angry??



DD

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 09:41

Msg 17. Basically the committee agreed certain finance restraints and in less than 12 hours they were ignored. Causing resignation number one. The treasurer had resigned. Then a report was e-mailed for the chairman which was shall we say limited with the truth. A Emergency General meeting was called and the committee said it was not correctly prepared so another EGM was submitted. Resignation number two the Chairman resign and retracts his his report. This was published last Saturday in a newspaper after it had been retracted, but nobody has admitted who did it. A agreed date for the EGM is the 5th June. The EGM proposals have not been distributed so far but the names of the people whom signed the EGM has been which is not in the BRS constitution. By the way others have also resigned which has not been made common knowledge.

Why has this happenned the BRS I believed had changed, BUT I now know it has not and I have to agree with a lot of the comments from the threads so far.

Rocker

scruffdog


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Posts: 742

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 09:44

At the AGM the new treasurer, agreed no more texts, we will email info. Low and behold a week or so later every member received not just 1 text but 3 to advise of a funeral of a wife of an EX committee member. The treasurer resigned for the blatant mis use of funds and so it has gone on.

TopTen


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Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 10:04

Rowlo msg 13 See the significance of the Jonny Rotten picture now

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 10:21

scruffdog;



Most people I know didn't even get one never mind three texts.



As to the alleged blatant miss use of funds, the family concerned fully expected to pay the bill.



While we're on the subject, a number of people are annoyed at the paper for adding to the family's grief in this manner, and you are way out of line as well.



The EX committee member was the best Chairman the BRS ever had.



But why let that fact get in the way of good old fashioned character assassination.

scruffdog


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Message Posted:
25/05/2010 10:51

Newscoop... it still comes down to the fact that text messages were sent to members about a private matter, which at the AGM the BRS clearly stated that text/emails were for BRS matters only. Also as msg 15 points out

1200 members most of who remain in apathy to things regarding the BRS, to them it is of little interest if the ex member was the best chairman the BRS has ever had or not. Fact remains agreements were broken, the wishes of those who voted (on the day and who had an interest that thier voice be heard) for the treasurer's finance restaints had their views ignored!!!! Also as msg 3 asks... is there a hidden agenda here!!!

Why must we also wonder... why should the paper not report on what is going on!!! To say that the paper is adding to the family's grief is strange... then do we use this comment every time a newspaper or TV station reports a plane crash... is this not also adding to the victims family's grief!!!

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 11:35

Comparing News of the screws to CT is a bit disingenuous, there was no reason to name names in a market that is by and large very small.



What is it in the Ozankoy air?



What does Mr Wenborn actually say on the matter as to why he resigned?



There's a lot of speculation out there.

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 11:43

Newscoop Be at the EGM if your a member and hear what Mr Wenborn and others have to say

Rocker.

scruffdog


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Posts: 742

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 12:04

There are problems within the BRS... of that we can all see... and as far as I can see... the air in Ozankoy is the same all over the TRNC... it lets us have the right to ask questions!!! Let us hear what the committee says about matter, Mr Wenborn was elected to do what he was elected to do, why was he not able to do it! Again it matters not how the late chairman refered too was held in regarded by some (a few if the apathy numbers are correct)...there was a breaking of the agreements stated at the AGM and again HAS THE COST OF THESE ERRONEOUS TEXT'S BEEN REPAID!!! We only have comments made in passing by some of the committee... Thus the original comment made in msg 1 still stands... should all of the committee not stand down and offer themseleves for re-election... or do we understand that because Mr Cole has gone... that is all that is required and we can go back to putting heads in the sand and await the next problem!!!

begonia


Joined: 19/05/2009
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 12:36

.............Yawn ! Chips/shoulders again.



BRS helped me when I was not a member.

scruffdog


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 742

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 13:47

chip...shoulder .... no... some still want the BRS to work and function well... what is the worry is how is it being run and why open questions seem to to be being addressed!

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 15:44

All we wont is transparency,honesty for all.

Rocker

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 16:09

Why dont you put this to rest and go to the Meeting - if you are a member? All this speculation, claims and counter claims do not do anyone any good, either the BRS or the person making the claim. Be at the Meeting, ask the right questions and find out. If you're not a member why are you bothering to make all this fuss anyway its none of your business, surely? Make it your business by joining!!

scruffdog


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Posts: 742

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 16:30

Manachina... read msg 9... I am a member... but no further resolutions can be made and the meeting will try a stop questions from the floor... just like the last AGM!

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 16:34

Scruffdog - I wasnt mentioning anyone in particular - just anyone who's been having a go! But, i do hope something concrete will come out at the meeting. I imagine the committee has got rather small now!! But, they cant vote on anyone else until an AGM - is that correct - I expect they can "co-opt"

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
25/05/2010 18:23

Well I am quite surprised at the names on the list myself. I have heard one in particular referring to the "BRS bastards" and saying they all look down their noses at the rest of us, then it turns out they too are members!



Does read like a bit of a club though! All seem to be couples and pals almost sounds like there is more than one hidden aganda!

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 09:52

I hope you all received from the Acting Chairman his "appeal for Calm"!!!!

scruffdog


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Message Posted:
26/05/2010 10:49

Rocker... acting chairs 'appeal for calm' was this another email or text because have nothing!

RickF64


Joined: 07/01/2009
Posts: 173

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 12:10

The "Appeal for calm" is an email attachment.

scruffdog


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Posts: 742

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 16:18

thanks for that Rick... another one that has past me by.... must be this selective message service they use!

Rocker



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Posts: 384

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 16:29

scruffdog obviosly you did not get the e-mail attachment. Maybe thats why I got two and a friend got three as you say selective messaging.

Rocker

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 17:54

Scruffdog....

The one person involved in all this has apparently said nothing, at least not to my knowledge. Until Mr Wenborn gives his side of this matter, a balanced view cannot be reached.

I don't know what AGM you went to but there was no statement that "the BRS clearly stated that text/emails were for BRS matters only". What was decided was that information on BRS matters were to be conveyed in future by e-mail only not text.

Your statement that "the meeting will try a stop questions from the floor... just like the last AGM!" is at least misleading if not a complete distortion . There were many questions from the floor, which were answered by the committee satisfactorily, including mine. Otherwise why did you not complain at the time ?. Are you sure that you went to the BRS AGM and not some other meeting ?

Terry.....If there are private agenda's in play in this matter then some of them are apparent in this forum.

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 19:20

None Member - Will we all get the results of ERGM published on here as well as all the lead up to it or will it all go quiet once the members have found out everything they need to know?

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 19:43

Not sure why you would need them if you are not a member. I'm not and I wouldn't expect to get them or see them.

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 19:54

Msg 38 as far as I know there are no private agendas from people I know. The EGM papers were constructeed correctly and as per EGM/AGM rules of the BRS only the agenda items may be discussed. On the paper wotrk I have seen there is no mention of Any other Business.

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 22:07

Cypgab,

Whole point is there are over 8,000 members of this board and at last count a possible 1300 members of the BRS. Why the extended discussion about the BRS then or is it just the members talking? I think not, non members will have already made up their own minds and ceased to have any interest in the BRS. I posted before that they have their own website, why not use that instead of airing their linen in public?



It seems strange that such strong supporters of the BRS are happy to discuss their BRS matters in public but if you were to ask the BRS for information about the "club" as I have in the past, all you get is "Join and find out". It is for reasons like this that a lot of people do not wish to join - maybe a change in strategy would do them good.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 00:03

SCRUFFDOG;



Was that you who was outed in Cyprus Today?

scruffdog


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 742

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 09:07

In answer to msg 43... no... and no one should have been outed!!!!



In reply to msg 38... at the AGM when the committee talked about the text/email service a lady member stated that she was not happy that her phone and/or email detail may fall into the hands of others... she was told that the use of this service would be to advise member only on BRS matters and thus not give to anyone or used by anyone for other matters!!!! Is this then not a clear statement that the use is for only BRS matter and not private or commercial use!!! Also how often was a member near the front stopped from asking or refused an answer to questions he tried to issue from the floor and as msg 41 stated, at that meeting and again with the pending EGM... there is no any other business!!!