Israeli group plans Cyprus voyage to protest Turkish occupation

sloan



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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 10:17

Picked this up on the GC forum. (I was checking to see if there was any comment on there about yesterday's auction.)



A group of angry Israelis announced on Thursday night that they will leave for Cyprus next week on a flotilla and call for an end to the Turkish occupation of half of the island and its reunification under Cypriot rule.



The group includes Alex Goldfarb, who was an MK in the Tzomet and Yiud parties in the 1990s, and Meretz activist Pinhas Har-Zahav of Modi’in.



An unnamed wealthy Israeli donor is subsidizing the initiative.



MKs on the Right accused the security cabinet on Thursday of buckling under Turkish pressure when it decided to release every Turkish passenger on the Gaza flotilla, even if there was explicit photographic evidence that they attacked IDF soldiers.

sloan



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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 10:20

Thread continues:



Does anyone know if the flotilla will be heading toward the occupied territory? The plight of the enclaved Cypriots, both Greeks and Maronites, need world attention. Can you imagine the T / TC reaction?



Very interesting question Lit.



I assumed the flotilla was going to head for RoC controlled areas, but it would make sense to head for the enclaved in Karpasia. The Turks will never allow them to arrive of course.



I believe the Israelis are going to attempt to internationalize the Cyprus Problem and expose the Turks for what they really are.

Dusterbruce


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 10:27

As long as the reasons for the Turkish 'invasion' are internationalised as well.



Only fair isn't it?

PeeCee


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 10:32

If they come with aid; resources; gifts from the Israeli people then fine. If they come armed to the teeth to take on the Turkish Army - it could get interesting!

elko2



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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 10:37

The m ore people talk about Cyprus the more they will find out about the Greek Cypriot lies. The problem began in 1963 with the attempt of the GCs to demolish the bicommunal ROC.

Such tit for tat actions are very poor show.

ismet

Geoff


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 13:18

I hope the Turkish Navy board their vessel/s by helicopter and then escort them into Famagusta Port, confiscate the vessels/s, and deport them to th ROC,

Geoff

Famagusta City

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 14:36

If any of it is true!

ang1706


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 14:47

I tend to agree with message 7 as I cannot see Israel wanting to inflame a situation that involves another country never mind Turkey.



I see that 4 or 5 Palestinian men armed in Diving Gear were killed today, wonder why they were in Diving gear. More to these Aid Ships are coming out now!!

Tasgirl


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 15:09

If wearing diving gear can be discribed as being armed, quite alot of sports fishermen and women around the med would be being shot by Jews.......and keep a lookout for gunmen dressed from head to foot in black !!!

Scoty


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 15:22

Re msg 9 - apparently commando divers - different perpective if the case.

Have also see on sky news site blogs that some are saying that some palestinians are admitting that some of the 'aid' convoy were terrorists on a suicide mission!! If correct, this changes the whole situation. Do not know where this came from but I saw it here - http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News

Scoty


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 15:24

That didn't work - maybe this will



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Israel-Claims-To-Have-Killed-At-Least-Four-Palestinian-Commandos-In-Diving-Gear-Off-The-Gaza-Coast

Scoty


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 15:24

Give up - just try sky news and go to the story

Hippo


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 15:36

I think you may find that Ms Sloan may have Israeli connections?

smwredd


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 16:04

I think Ms Sloan you should read The Genocide Files. If after reading it (and possibly sobbing) you don't retract your final sentence regarding Turkish Cypriots, then I would be extremely surprised. This book was written by Harry Scott Gibbons, a respected British reporter and war correspondent. Well worth reading but often moving and horrifying.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 16:08

Hey guys I am sure that Mrs Sloan was just quoting what was written on the GC forum it was not her view!! Read message 1 and 2 again.



Chris

Lilli



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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 16:45

Mrs sloan only copied it to here to draw or attention to it, it would certainly not be here view. I also read the whole postings and many there stated they would side with isreal if it meant getting rid of the turkish x

tracer


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 22:17

elco2

I thing history tell something else in 1950 UK ask the Turks if they want Cyprus and the answer was WE DONT HAVE ANY INTEREST OF THE ISLAND . Then the British done there game (as always) divide and conquest and persuit the Turks to act on Cyprus. (British finger always and everywhere) the problem is that we (GC/TC )still dancing with their tune.



So why the Turks want to defense Gaza from Israel they done the same think and worst in Cyprus, also the Armenians and the Kurt

or why now they start to love and care about the Arabs

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 22:21

Usual Propaganda.....only fools for it.

Stonehousepub


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 22:38

Sorry to say this but our Greek friend definately has a point, most of the elderly people I speak to in KKTC also tend to blame the U.K (allong with the usual culprits) for the position Cyprus is in today.





Cyprus was played

andre 514


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 22:58

I really do not know if this supposed ,"flotilla" would ever really happen

but in a significant development recently

the israeli foreign minister just invited his greek cypriot opposite number

on a state visit to israel and he duly accepted...



now the republic of "cyprus" is by no means a regional player

while its chief backer the european "union" has big problems of its own

but this probably signals the real end of the turkey-israel alliance



that breakdown has been in the offing ever since the ak was elected some years ago

while turkey has its eye on vigorous new ties with iran and russia



paradoxically israel maintains warm relations with the russian federation

and recently signed a large gas contract and suspended visa requirements



quite a turnup for the books since the brezhnev era when in '73 the ussr was ready

to intervene in the then arab-israeli war, on the side of the losers as it happens



who said "all is fair in love and politics"?

tracer


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 23:00

Sorry Tiggy but you have to read some history books (BLOODY TRUTH) the 35-50 years top secret documents releases from the foreign office.

phylray



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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 23:03

I would warn the Israelis not to interfere and play with fire. If they do this they will only make

things worse. In Istanbul the Jewish community has been held in high respect 2nd only to the locals

and given haven when most of Europe (Christian!?) reviled them, (under the Ottoman empire)

I thought they were clever, but to offend their few friends in the Muslim (& secular world) is plain

stupid. Turks make good friends but bad enemies - "Don't tangle with the TurkS" is my advice.

tracer


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 23:24

Israel wants an alliance with the turks but when the turks turn also to the muslim world for israel turkey turns to to be a burn card .

also to answer to phylray Yes they gave heaven to the jews and hell to Greeks armenians and kurts

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 23:27

msg 17,tracer wrote;

"I thing history tell something else in 1950 UK ask the Turks if they want Cyprus and the answer was WE DONT HAVE ANY INTEREST OF THE ISLAND . "



So,you GCs thought,"we'd clear out the whole island and have it all for ourselvs" DID YOU?

Beleive you me my friend,as hard as it is to live in the past,it is even harder to forget it.

Does a village called Iyorio,Yorgoz,Tepebasi (all names are for same village) remind you of anything?Well I didnt even know where my village was because you had made us all refugees in 1963.Som,e of us went to Kambili,Hisarkoy,some of us lived in pre-fab (aspestos) houses until 1974.And when we eventualy did go back,we found the rubble of what USED to be our house.

There is more my friend,which I had also mentioned on CF!THEY WANTED "CREDIBLE LINK THERE -credible link my a**e.

28 innocent people were buried some maybe alive (no one knows) in a village called Ayvasil/Turkeli! 11 were my relatives.

My great grandmother was born there.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 23:30

Msg 21

That book is pure pro-Greek propaganda, what a lot of tosh. I see you've only made 4 postings so I assume you're a pro-Greek sympathiser that has infiltrated this forum to shed bullshit.



Richard

ttoli


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 23:35

Hippster (msg 13) Not at all



Sheila (Msg 1) The original posting should be taken tongue in cheek, the Author of said thread has a darker side, http://www.topix.net/forum/world/cyprus



Gary

andre 514


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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 23:45

to amplify my posting number 20,

I think it unfortunate that the two great nations of turkey and israel

have now come to a parting of the ways:

they could have continued to co-operate to great mutual benefit

but turkey now seems to have a quite different set of priorities



nonetheless it is absurd to imagine that israel has any official interest

in stirring things on the island of cyprus, israel is a pluralistic society

of many different opinions, just like many western or other countries

and to coin a phrase they want to upset turkey "like a hole in the head"

but national defence comes top of their list as it always has done



...while gul was correct in stating recently that turkey has afforded jews

support and refuge, from the spanish inquisition for example,

which also oppressed and harshly persecuted the muslims of that land

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/06/2010 23:47

msg 25,cont.

She lived to tell what happened along with other survivers.

Not everything you read from the books would tell all as it was.

36 Years of emotinal blackmail to the rest of the world got you nowhere and it WILL get you nowhere.Not once Denktas has denied the fact that we have more land then we should.Global exchange is your only solution,or you'd live the rest of your life with envy like most others.It is US TCs that shoud be given the actual credit for the opening of the boards because WE did at our own will unlike you being forced to.



If you want some credible link as well,go get it yourself,I cant be f*****g bothered.

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 00:17

yorgozlu im sorry that you feel so much hate we all made mistakes (not you and me we where to small for that)

i dont feel any hate at all . my opinion is that cyprus is too small to be divided, idont want it all by my self,

you(TC)must own also but not divided .

phylray



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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 00:17

If you bring the PKK into it then they also have been, laterally, acknowledged as a terrorist

organisation, although there are two sides to this also. I would also defend the rights of those

intellectuals, writers such as Orhan Pamuk, who seek openness about the Armenians. It is wrong

that the question is not even allowed to be discussed in Turkey. Yet, his books are readily on sale

at Istanbul airport. Tracer, the Turks have remained a secular state, and have not "turned to the

Muslim world" Have you ever visited the country? Do you really know anything about its past and

present? As followers of Ataturk the vast majority look to the Western world.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 00:29

tracer;

"HATE" doesnt exist in my world,I speak the reality.Yes,we TCs also own the hwole island because we were also born here,but we've sucrificed more then 2/3 of it for our own sefety.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 00:31

Msg 8

Not sure what planet you're coming from but in 1974 the Turks could have taken the whole Island, the Greeks in full retreat, but the army having over-run Lefkosa/Nicosia drew back to the imaginary 'Green-Line' drawn up by a British General (I think) who had drawn on the map of Cyprus, years previously with a green pen, of how the Island should be divided, which the Turks adhered too. The Turks were stupid, they should have taken it in its entirety as it was theirs from the Ottoman days!



Richard

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 00:39

yorgozlu dont be surprise also my grandmother born and leave in diorios (Tepebasi) and my grandfather in kazafani

(ozankoy) so almost all my childhood i was with TCs so i have no reason to feel bad about them. So we cannot go back but we can manage our future as we like and the best way is to look forward



Ps: there are a few houses near guzelyali (vavilas ) owned by a turkishcypriot (own by the turkish army now)

I was living there for holidays .

phylray



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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 02:30

Yes, Brins. in those days it was by right of conquest, and we did that too!

sloan



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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 07:00

Ms Sloan certainly is not an Israeli sympathiser, has her own copy of the Genocide Files, and begins her first posting with 'I picked this up on the GC forum...'. I merely thought it would be of interest to draw peoples' attention to what was being discussed there. My sympathies lie firmly and squarely in the TC camp, as anyone who knows me (including Lilli, nurseawful and ttoli) will verify. On rereading my first two postings, it seems obvious to me that the information is copied and pasted from the GC forum ... but maybe I have missed something. I future, if I find anything of interest there (not that I look that often) I will end my post with: 'This posting does not represent my views, but I thought it would be of interest for C44 readers to know what is being discussed.

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 07:26

Ms Sloan



Maybe like Mr Ali Safer, C44 owes you a formal apology



Paul

sloan



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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 07:34

Lol! I am not that sensitive! I just thought it made interesting reading. There is a long thread on the GC forum that I didn't try to wade through, but thought C44 readers should be aware of the information. Forewarned is forearmed ... as my old granny used to say!

simbas



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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 08:14

Hi Paul , but note Hippo said " may have Israeli connections " and qualifies it with a question mark . Clever eh ? sloan says she is not all that sensative , but the next person who is wrongly accused might just well be .

Have a good day , Simbas

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 08:20

Simbas



My comment was purely tongue in cheek and I fully understand where you are coming from.



As for have a good day - I always do and trust you will to



Paul

sloan



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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 08:51

I realised that, Paul, which is why I began with that rather hackneyed 'Lol!'



I have just been back to the GC forum to have another look at the thread and was very amused to see the advertisment that Google has placed at the top of their site:



Acapulco North Cyprus

Official Site of Acapulco Hotel Northern Cyprus Holidays

http://www.acapulcocyprus.com



There is another interesting article on there about Turkish warships in gulf near Athens ..... but I am not sympathising with the GCs in condemning this action, before Hippo and mswredd get the wrong idea.

simbas



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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 09:10

oh i knew that Paul , as was mine , pointing out the may be and the question mark . It doesn't sort of sound right when you type it , does it ?

Take care Simbas

smwredd


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Message Posted:
08/06/2010 22:27

Sorry Ms Sloan, I wasn't aware that you were posting a 'thread'. However I would reiterate that all those interested in the events of 1963 and 1974 should read The Genocide Files. Difficult but essential reading I think.

tracer


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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 19:01

msg 42



Your readers should be aware that the author of this book, Mr. Gibbons, is well-known only to Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks. He is not considered a serious author in any other part of the world, including his native Britain. Since the 1970s he has been a well-paid propagandist for the Turkish Cypriot cause and his book is 95 percent fiction. These files that he claims to have found, and upon which he bases his book, never existed. They are akin to the "Hitler Diaries" of a few years ago. Except in Northern Cyprus and Turkey (and the Internet) you will not find his book for sale. It is common practice for Turkey to appropriate atrocity stories from other wars and other countries, change the names and locations, and claim them as their own. It is a shame that this packet of lies posing as a timely document is on the market and thus able to contribute to the further brainwashing of Turkish Cypriots and their supporters. There are many other fine books on the subject, esp.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 19:25

tracer,

" brainwashing of Turkish Cypriots and their supporters"



Is that the best you can come up with????????

Troodo


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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 19:28

Tracer.

Go and post this crap on the Cyprus forum, you will find more friends willing to digest your rubbish.



Patientia est a donum superum

sloan



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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 20:29

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/06/08/maybe-that%e2%80%99s-the-way-to-get-reunification/



Wonder if it has set off yet?

tracer


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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 20:46

If anything else dosent work i will be please to use that sloan

tracer


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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 20:50

If anything else dosent work i will be please to use that sloan

sloan



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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 20:55

Sorry, tracer, I do not understand your comment.



I merely posted the link as msg 7 and 8 doubted the truth of it, being copied and pasted from the GC forum, but the source for the NCFP article is being given as: Hurriyet, Anka, Pressturk. Maybe it's true .... but there again ....

Kaya92


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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 21:10

We have a nationalist at the helm of our small island. Good luck to them.

tracer


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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 21:43

my comment was about the link you posted if nothing works for the reunification of the island i will try to use the raft in the photo it might work.Maybe that’s the way to get reunification?

tracer


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Message Posted:
10/06/2010 22:25

troodo said :Patientia est a donum superum



tracer said :Patria est communis omnium parens

essexgirl


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Message Posted:
11/06/2010 12:41

Bearing in mind the long-establish self-interest of Israel, this action is surprising when you consider the level of investment of Israeli's in NC land, and you wonder what would happen to those 'investments' should the island be re-unified..... or maybe that is the motivation and the reason for Israel's move to support the 'other side' and make new friends !

sloan



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Message Posted:
16/06/2010 09:09

Peace fltilla cancelled



http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=178574

andre 514


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Message Posted:
21/06/2010 08:40

msg 54 sloan:



predictably, the article reports the israeli government pressured the group to drop their plan



normally I would shake my old grey head in sadness and reproach at the violence and posturing

of all these east mediterranean nation-states:



until I recall the fine sunny morning when nato 'planes suddenly dropped out of the serbian sky,

and bombed a vegetable market killing and injuring many scores of innocent people



or the doomed western campaign in afghanistan where the dead civilians are beyond counting

fiendishpaul


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Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 10:09

Andre



Agree with your comments with the exception of your statement about Afghanistan. The number of civilians killed by the coalition forces is minute compared to the number of Afghans killed by the Taliban. A stray bomb dropped by a NATO plane which kills civilians makes much better press than the almost daily occurrence of Taleban suicide bombs which have killed countless thousands.



Just my opinion of course



Paul

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
21/06/2010 11:58

Funny how Tracer's use of English improves (mess 43) and then deteriorates again.

Do I smell something 'fishy' here?

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
21/06/2010 12:38

Kaiserphil,



I think you'll find that the reason for this sudden change in style is that tracer cut and pasted the comment (leaving the last few words out recommending another book) from a review of the book by Matthew Stowell. Stowell is an American married to a Greek Cypriot - clearly someone with an objective view.

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
21/06/2010 13:21

Thanks Vince

tracer


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Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:05

sorry guys

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