Demonstrate,Demonstrate!! 10,000 Brits and more!!!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 20:41

I am beginning to wonder whats up with all you home owners..slow or what?? With all whats going on at the moment with builders,banks and no deeds for most of you..Why have you all been so slow to make a very very big demonstration,the home buyers group should be pulling their finger out and setting a date for thousand of you to demonstrate in Nicosia on a set given date and time,holding up the traffic outside government offices demanding action of help and support for you all.Thank god we rent and are not in the situations as our landlord and oh so many of you..Start planning something something right now,come on you lot get your finger out,and get into some action thousand and thousand of you all should stand together and give them all something to think about,or are you all just going to let the banks own your properties and demand more hard cash from yourselves.



WE HOPE NOT..Mr and Mrs Spider,X

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 21:15

Count me in if I am over there. It is a noble cause.



wyn

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 21:19

Great idea Spider,

Grey.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 21:20

Me to

Also ensure that the UK, Turkish and Cyprus media are there that should shake things up a bit.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 21:24

Come on home buyers group and cyprus today..give us a date and time..someone sort somthing out once and for-all

and let the British home owner be heard.!!



We support you all..





Spider,X

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 21:42

Do we need a bazooka,

Grey.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 21:48

I dont think aliens can demonstrate !

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 21:52

Let them try and stop us if there is enough as long as it remains peaceful, what the hell can they do???

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 22:08

Count me in lets see the response you get and then seriously sort out some sort of campaign, why are folks sticking their head in the sands probaly thinking " Best not cause a fuss".



What about a name for the campaign uhmmmmmmmmmmmm can't think of one printable

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 22:10

J.F.B.



Justice for brits





thats all I can think of at the moment

sad eh!

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 22:23

sienna



don't you think enough is enough? Don't let them treat you as though you are doormat. This cypriot greed has been going on for too long.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 22:26

No Kochan.....No Money............its the only safe way.

greenman


Joined: 16/02/2008
Posts: 526

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 22:26

Hasn't malsancak already provided a good slogan?

No Kokan No Money

Tasgirl


Joined: 31/12/2008
Posts: 100

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 22:35

News flash.......The Boyut company spokesperson 'Harry' is continuing to say that the Boyut brothers are still hopeful of repaying their debt and that by next week everything will be 'sorted' !!!! ( she is in England at the moment buying her trousseau for her marriage to one of the boyut boys, Firat) the bankers have agreed to reduce the amount owed and are prepared to take unfinished properties as part payment and Pigs have also been seen flying over the five finger mountains. BEWARE these people are still trading, one of them as a solicitor.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 22:41

sorry , but the sensable ones bought theyre property ready to move into , only awaiting kocans , this may take some time , but no banks ,rip of builders to pay , and the people who are renting , must be renting from someone who has bought ?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 23:03

We have been told that Harriet lies in peoples faces then lies again..They should all be prosecuted and go to jail for a very long time.and if they all run off to Turkey they should be brought straight back..but alass i never hear of any court cases brought against these builders not even by the banks..and guess why..the banks are taking your homes back and demanding more money from you all yet again..Stand up now and be heard...



Spider,X

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 23:30

Sensible people Rowlo, don't wait for their kocans because its whilst your waiting that the memorandums are being taken out!!!!!!



Sensible people get their kocans before they handover their money. To wait is to put yourself at risk.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 00:16

and to handover your money before you have but a concrete shell is really clever yeah ? read em and weep mate , keep digging

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 00:25

Rowlo,



There are none so blind as those that will not see

twaddle


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 00:35

Perhaps the reason why thousands do not protest is because many, like myself have had no problems and have got their Kocans. I know that this may be only by the grace of god, but why would I protest when I have found the whole process of property ownership fairly painless. My heart goes out to those who have problems, but I personally have nothing to complain about.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 00:44

msg19 bradus , this thread was started by someone who rents here , my eyes have always been open , its easy to shout when youve got nothing to shout about ?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 07:55

So we have 9 who may turn out.



We had a "demo" organised at begining of April with police notified etc. If that one had gone ahead with "10,000" there we may have been able to influence. Or indeed if we had had 100 at any one of the many such events over the 4 years I have been fighting.



If you could guarantee 100+ to turn out at parliament etc I would try to get one organised.



You must have permission to be in a place with large numbers with police notified etc otherwise you WILL be arrested. Do it properly, the police are on our side, they just have to do their jobs.



Also if something was organised with large numbers here you would get support in UK for a mirror protest.

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 09:30

Anyone who can attend a demonstration MUST. We need a show of strength in numbers to let the government know this CAN't continue. It's not just an ex-pat or TC problem, it's a problem of national humanity.







When the estate agents law came out to prevent people mortgaging land, hundreds of people found out their sites were mortgaged. Myself included, with Seatera Reserve to the tune of £2million (without interest). But now it also appears that if a landowner owes money to another, the debtor can get a memorandum against that land, which overrides the contract you have registered. It seems now that registration of contracts does not take precendence to registered contracts. That means that ANYONE who doesn't have their kocans could be in the same situation!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 10:44

So much for the Brits supporting each other when times hit hard..It seems from postings that the people who are happy with their situation are reluctant to support those who need it,Oh i guess its the sit back and smile its not happening to me attitude,Its no wonder most people make me feel quite sick in their selfish self-seeking thinking.The same sort that would perhaps even if possible would behave in the same manner as most builders,---Im ok Jack,so the other lot--Shame on you.



Spider,X

spangles


Joined: 22/10/2008
Posts: 411

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 10:57

twaddle - mess 20. Not so. We, thankfully, have kocans for 2 properties, but have protested at the last 2 auctions. Why? Because we are protesting against an unfair system which is causing heartache for innocent people. Thats why.

graycoul


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 493

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 11:33

im with you spider a big demo is needed,



orams, aga/g.robb, now the morgage auction problem and this goverment do nothing



brits and the housing market is all they've got for money coming in to the country and they do nothing help us or themselves when we've gone there be no taxes on houses paid, no one spending at the shops, money

taken out of the banks but there so short sighted they will let it happen..............

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 11:46

We have our kocan and have been to almost every protest in last 4 years!!!!!!



Don't have water, have builders electic and half finished house.



kocan has nothing to do with not protesting. Not protesting is 100% apathy something that people in the UK are good at. Experience of TU activities taught me that. WE WANT MORE PAY etc, turn out and strike and you are on your own pal!!!



I am not a lover of French but when they want some thing they turn out in force, be it blocking ferry ports, protesting in Paris etc. They stand up and are counted, they do not want EU rules, two fingers go up. In the UK, we had to do as we are told.



This one does not. I am making slow movements towards something more positive, not sure if we will be allowed and in this country - I do not want throwing out!!!!!!



So fight the government, let us now ALL stop the nit picking. We can still get the governement to listen if we stick together and fight.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 16:04

OK, there is a lot of "noise" from people wanting a demonstration.



Tell me now, how many will turn up. I will try to do the necessary and get info but will I and others involved be wasting our time?



On so many occasions boss and I have turned up with the other half dozen regulars and it does get a bit soul destroying.



So, you want a demo, give me the facts.

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 16:11

Yes! We will turn up.



North Cyprus Property Auctions - A National Embarrassment! http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/06/16/north-cyprus-property-auctions-%e2%80%93-a-national-embarrassment/

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 16:33

Good on you cyprusishome lets start the ball rolling..get a time and date fixed..let the police and Cyprus Today know and away we all go in cars of convoys,get heard once and for all.enough is enough..Lets all make the them sit up and listen,Why should you be asked to pay twice the price for your homes..





Spider,X

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 18:30

spider, so pleased that you too are trying to rally those in NC, think your message 24 hits the nail on the head.



So many say they have other things to do, and that they are ill ect ect, fair enough, but that still doesnt make sence when you have reports back that most brits are sitting eating and drinking in the pubs, and that hardly any one turns up to the auctions, it must be sole distroying for those poor sods loosing their homes.



Rowlo, just interested, do you have your kochan? question note meant to offend, but if you have, how long did it take for you to get yours and your ptp?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 18:59

Right, given the facts as I have just received then any action of a demo nature may be inappropriate over next 10 days or so. It is local elections on 27th and do not want to get involved with that.



It is impossible to get hold of anyone in government and the hangers on offices, they are chasing their tails trying to sort out the debacle in the building sector. This is only a rumour but probably close to truth but the TRNC bankers are involved. (just in case that goes adrift - Turkey).



So any demo would be met with blank offices and serve no useful purpose at this stage.



Thing is you need to keep the powder charged, write to president, prime minister etc and keep pushing that side of things. Also keep things live on here.



The press is apparently running more stories and CT are supposed to be printing yet more on saturday.



If anyone hears anything factual about auction notices being posted anywhere in the country get on here so we can follow progress.

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 19:36

Why not plan a demo for end Sept/Oct as know from last weeks auction you just don;t get the numbers there if it's not well publicised on forums/tv/media. Everyone can put the date in their diary people can even fly in from uk and arrange it as part of their holiday. But the date needs to be set soon to get the ball rolling.The demo should be about all related property problems here so that you're maximising your crowd. People shouldn't be concerned about what the police's views are on a peaceful gathering as at all 3 auctions they have acted just as they should, very professional, very polite. Afterall they know its wrong. People should wear white t shirts with "NO KOCAN NO MONEY" printed or written on them. Just my opinion

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 19:52

billyb



I wish it was as easy as that.



If we give 1 week, 1 month, 6 months you still get the same number turning out, from past experience over 4 years.



I will pass on and I think that once 4th July is out of the way we will all have more idea as to what is going to happen.



You are right about dates though, next 3 months are too hot for standing around.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 21:44

and will this mass protest of 10,000 brits do any good ? i think not , it could do more harm than good , who will the protest be aimed at ?

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 21:53

David,



You organise it and I will fly over to attend!!



wynyardman

BillyB


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Posts: 436

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 21:55

rowlo, "who will the protest be aimed at ?"



People like you!

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 21:59

rolwlo your a happy bunny so stick your little tail etc out of the THREAD.. )))) )))



The demonstration is if you are so daft as to see...for the newly elected president to see that we all come in number with a peaceful demonstration to tell them know that both the British and the Turkish Cyprots have just about had enough of the auctions and the government not doing anything about the builders owing these monies etc...



September the 1st.now whats wrong with planning for that date?? also this needs to be put into both papers.dont forget the Kibris news..Its effecting not just the British community.



Spider,X

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 22:00

and will you be waving youre union jack left hand ? and turkish flag right hand ?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 06:05

If a demonstration in Lefkosa were to take place then it WOULD be properly organised.



1. There would be a specific theme.



2. It would need to be ensured the person/people being targeted will be there.



3. Given what is happening the whole TRNC community would have to be involved. I would go so far as saying that like the EU, Orams protest that so few British people turned out for it would need to be TC lead.



There is no point in pursuing this theme too far until the next 2 weeks or so are passed. Then it can be ascertained if anything has happened and how to theme any demo. After that those that will HAVE to organise will need suggestions plus some strong guarantees that people WILL actually turn out.



I can tell you it is disheartening after receiving massive numbers of "I will be there comments" and it is just the same twelve or as in the last one FOUR of us turned up!!!

havali


Joined: 28/05/2010
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 10:07

im british cypriot i have no problem with kocan ,,but if you organise a demo im with you all the way .

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 11:08

A meeting was held in the UK last Sunday for a group of AGA buyers (Gary Robb), one suggestion that came forward was to hold a demonstration outside the Turkish Embassy in London.



In light of all the recent happenings in the TRNC it was felt that any demonstration in the UK should include all buyers affected by the wrong doings of the property market in Northern Cyprus.



I am fully supportive of a demonstration in the TRNC and London and feel maximum impact would be best achieved by organising such an event in unison.



I am more than happy and willing to organise the demo in London and liaise with a counterpart in the TRNC.



Howard

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 11:37

Howard, Fantastic!

Turkey as an developing economy is becoming stronger and stronger despite the recession. I believe it will soon be up there with likes of China and India. But it has a thorn in its side with the constant hand outs it has to give the TRNC partly due to its incompetance to address the constant property problems. What an embarassment. Just my opinion.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 11:46

rowlo

'and will you be waving youre union jack left hand ? and turkish flag right hand ? '



Whats that supposed to mean.? Whats the british flag or turkish flag being waved or not, to do with protesting for a better legal framework to prevent fraud.Anyway why wave british or turkish flags.Peculiar that you miss out the only flag relevant,the TRNC flag.



Seems like you want it both ways ,you dont want people to buy property in NC but I presume you want a viable economy.

rwilson


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 15:31

I see Rowlo's point. It is the "10,000 BRITS" part.

10,000 Turkish people demoing in any british town woudl raise heckles.



Surely the protest should be of ALL fair minded people who believe changes need to be made.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 17:02

rwilson

Was that Rowlo's point?. I thought his point ,reading previous posts was that if you were stupid enough to buy a property in NC, because it was cheap,then you have no right to complain later. While partially agreeing with that ,there has to be a limit.



10,000 people of any nation are perfectly welcome to march through my town in the UK and depending on the cause, might ,instead of raising hackles ,raise sympathy.



'Surely the protest should be of ALL fair minded people who believe changes need to be made.'

Who said only Brits should or would demonstrate.? Cypriots are victims of the evictions as well.



The problem is the law as it stands in NC, and if we bring nationality into the issue iit will deflect attention away from that.



havali message 41, Nice to see a brit cypriot with no problem with kocan support the demo. Would have been easier to take the 'I'm all right Jack' view

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 19:55

this demo should have no nationality but its agood idea



get some t shirts printed buy them pay for the cost rest to charity



what worries me is the baboos must be loving all this

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 20:12

In RoC, 50K Cyps and 30K expats don't have title deeds and are exposed to the same 'perils' as in TRNC - and they are in EU, and EU has been unable to pin the RoC government down to comply with EU directives!



What chance of change in TRNC whilst TC's realise they are on this highly lucrative [if slightly unethical] 'gravy train', and can't be held accountable to anyone - except their paymaster, Turkey?



Of course, if this government could only realise that making the necessary changes would swiftly re-invigorate the stagnant property market, they could 'suck in' all those Southern potential buyers, who surely must be 'waiting in the wings'?



Who said: 'Wake up and smell the coffee?'

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 20:14

and zerochlorers just posted a thread about brits grassing up brits ? for god sake grow up , get a life even , if youre not happy in TRNC , 5hrs takes you back to the good old promised land you call britain , and by the way can you imagine 10,000 turks protesting in britain ? i think not , oh and will the british consulate be attending this protest could be a free lunch kicking about somewhere ? answers as usuall via the back of a postage stamp .

swannee7


Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 20:18

Before the 'demo army' is mobilised in Cyprus & London, why not try to get some important NC politicians on-side first ? For starters there's Rauf Denktash. He used to be a hotshot lawyer who learned his trade in England so knows full well how the legal system should work out there. Get together some articulate bright sparks from the TRNC Home Owners Group and lobby, lobby, lobby Denktash. Make sure you have Press & photographers with you. Remember how successful Joanna Lumley was fighting on behalf of the Gurkhas, and how she embarrassed a very senior Minister right in front of the National TV cameras? No politician (retired or otherwise) likes adverse publicity. Denktash was in on everything from day 1 in NC, and believe me, fat cats don't just happen by chance! If he won't play ball for whatever the reason or won't even publicly endorse the Group's efforts , then mobilise the demo gang!

Good luck to ALL of you still struggling for justice in this matter.

Garythegeezer


Joined: 05/02/2007
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 20:53

The way I see it is that you dont need 100's of vocal Brits waving banners to be effective. 20 - 40 people split in to 2 groups just continously crossing the roads in and around the Law Courts will bring the area to a stand still. No law about how many times you can cross the road is there



Just an idea, don't want to be pulled to bits over it.



Gary

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
18/06/2010 06:41

msg 51



Excellent idea but I can assure you that you would be stopped within minutes. It would be deemed an illegal gathering and the police outside the court would deal with you.



That said if you could guarantee eveyone there at a set time, along with the press etc. Take photos before moved on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
18/06/2010 08:36

good point swanneee



you dont have to do anythin ilegal just turn up at designated point and be safe in numbers



wear your t shirt and show the goverment what you think

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
18/06/2010 13:00

Just getting a large group of people together to demonstrate would, in itself, be a positive result.

Good luck to anyone arranging such a gathering - you have my whole-hearted support! And hopefully the support of many, many other people - both expat and TC.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
18/06/2010 18:06

I think I can guarantee there will be no "mass" protest before September.



However there are lots of things that people can still do.



1. There is a link to Dervis Eroglu Facebook page on the forum, make sure you get your comments on there, in Turkish.



2. Write to all the newspapers to keep the momentum going. Give a summary of your own stories.



3. Write, in Turkish, to the Prime Minister and all the other ministers.



4. Write to anyone else you can think of that may help.



It is no good stopping the momentum that has been gained over the last 2-3 weeks and hope that someone else will do it for you.



It is up to all of you out there to keep at it. Hijack your local mayor here in TRNC and tell him your thoughts.



What can you do in UK, think about it then tell everyone else so they can follow.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
19/06/2010 06:26

No thoughts for alternative forms of protest??