Nelson Mandela is 90

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 13:38

Nelson Mandela is 90 today why has the World forgotton He was/is a terrorist ?



Mandela was convicted of terrorism in 1963 and freely admitted at his trial, "I do not deny that I planned sabotage. I planned it as a result of a calm and sober assessment of the political situation."



in his so-called book,” Long Walk to Freedom”, Mandela says that he “signed off” with this act of terrorism. People should take a look at what Mandela “signed off” with while he was in prison – convicted for other acts of terrorism! President P.W. Botha told Mandela way back in 1985, that he could be a free man as long as he did one thing: Publicly renounce violence. Mandela refused. That is why Mandela remained in prison until the appeaser F.W. de Klerk freed him unconditionally. The bottom line is that Nelson Mandela never publicly renounced violence - and we should never forget that.



Mandela was the leader of the terrorist African National Congress (ANC), an avowed Marxist-Leninist gang which murdered hundreds of men, women and children, including innocent Jews, during decades of grisly attacks



Mandela and the ANC always called for the destruction of Israel and for the extermination of what they referred to as the "Zionist existence" in the Land of Israel.





The crimes committed by the ANC in the name of liberation are legion. First, there was the practice of "necklacing," in which a petrol-filled tyre is placed around the neck of a victim and set ablaze - an action carried out by Winnie Mandela and her minions. Another horror was the "Church Street Massacre," in which Nelson Mandela approved of a bomb set to explode at rush hour to maximize casualties of Afrikaner women, children and babies. The same Mandela who told the Black youth of South Africa to "burn down" their schools.



Mandela did, admit that torture occurred at ANC prisons and camps, but the report now documents that this

abuse was widespread and far-reaching. Torture and murder occurred not only in Angola, but also in ANC re-education camps in Uganda and Tanzania.

chick


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 13:48

Little Nige.

Quite right and yet this stupid goverment feted him as some sort of God last month and our Queen

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 14:15

Oh, how we miss the white rule of a black country. Blacks being given civil liberties and able to travel on the same buses/schools/side of the street was not on.



Put Mandela back in prison and go back to the good olde days.



So much for happy birthday!

PtePike



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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 14:22

His pathetic and lightweight "criticism" of Mugabe's regime has condemned the people of Zimbabwe to even longer suffering. Otherwise all hail the great man.

Chessman


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 14:47

Be fair guys, Mandela hasn't re-offended! See, prison works!

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 14:50

and neither has he condemed violence.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 15:52

Msge 5 That was funny chessman. You made me laugh



Interesting post Little Nige



I was aware of Mandelas bloody past, but not to the extent that this post makes eplicit.



Personally I am a massive fan of Mandela. I think he has become a great man.

His time in prison changed him although he never lost his tougness.

He learnt to quell his hatred and stepped in to the mind of the Afrikaner to influence and meet his vision.



From what I have read Mandela is manipulative but his tact and diplomacy is just legendary.



ps I think the part De Klerk played in ending apartheid is probably very under rated

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 15:54

Msge 5 That was funny chessman. You made me laugh



Interesting post Little Nige



I was aware of Mandelas bloody past, but not to the extent that this post makes explicit.



Personally I am a massive fan of Mandela. I think he has become a great man.

His time in prison changed him although he never lost his tougness.

He learnt to quell his hatred and stepped in to the mind of the Afrikaner to influence and meet his vision.



From what I have read Mandela is manipulative but his tact and diplomacy is just legendary. He is the master of combining warmth respect, care and toughness all in one package.



Of course I might be viewing this through rose tinted glasses.



ps I think the part De Klerk played in ending apartheid is probably very under rated

wackyjim



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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 15:58

Ilc



So good you said it twice!!!!!!



Jim

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 16:00

I just felt the need wackyjim. I was compelled too

Chessman


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 16:17

Ilc. I had 1 pint of Efes lunchtime, so i can't be serious now. I am well over my limit!

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 16:20

ITV Lunch time news:



.... Mandela... " I would like the rich of my country to share the wealth with the less fortunate that can not make their way out of poverty"



FW DeClerk........ "Nelson Mandela is man born to be a leader"



On the website: Mr de Klerk, who was awarded the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize along with Mr Mandela, said the former president was a born leader with the "assurance, the humility and the grace of a true natural aristocrat".



"After his inauguration, Nelson Mandela used his personal charm to promote reconciliation and to mould our widely diverse communities into an emerging multicultural nation," the last president of the apartheid era told reporters on Thursday.



"This, I believe, will be seen as his greatest legacy."





LANDMARKS



1918 - Born in the Eastern Cape

1964 - Sentenced to life for high treason

1990 - Freed from prison

1993 - Wins Nobel Peace Prize

1994 - Elected first black president

2004 - Retires from public life

2005 - Announces his son has died of an HIV/Aids-related illness





Without the struggle of people like Mandela and biko etc, freedom and liberty for all races would not exist in South Africa or throughout the world.



So happy birthday Mr Mandela.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 16:44

PtePike, totally agree with your first sentence.

Chessman


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 16:48

I guess the actions of a terrorist and a freedom fighter are the same but the environment in which those actions are carried out determine which 'label' is attached to them. The world sees Mandela as a freedom fighter as he was trying to liberate black people from opression. Quite honestly, I can't form a particular opinion as I constantly changed my mind. There is no doubt that an element of P.C. crept in, in the past. In any event has not Mandela experienced 'time served' now?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 17:20

msge 13 and 4



That might be true Bill and PP, but he is 90 yeas of age. Does he really want to get embroiled in all of this. I know he has an incredible inflluence but he has done his fighting. His done his bit. I'll be pretty damn pleased if I get to 90. Sorry guys, I feel obliged to defend him



ps Mugabe does not respond to reason. To him the mightiest sword rules

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 17:51

I repeat the question why has the World forgotton He was/is a terrorist ?



That has never renounced Violence ?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 18:02

As a 'Statesman' I think he could have been more outspoken against Mugabe.



Nige, you are right, the world has forgot.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 18:13

Littlenige



He knew that violence wouldn't work in the long run in South Africa. He knew the Afrikans could muster a pretty efficient well led army under a good General leadership. He also knew that his people would end up in the bush and fight the Afrikans remotely from the outback. He persuaded the Afrikan general that no one would win in this situation, not his own people or the Afrikans.



I believe the reason that Mandela does not renounce violence because he is an incredibly intelligent man. He knows that deep down under certain circumstances you have to use violence to get the job done. He has been pushed by the West to speak out against Mugabe, but he will know the mindset of Mugabe better than any western man can ever dream of. He knows that sanctions will be a waste of time and Mugabe can only be removed by force.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 19:01

The world has moved on.



History.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/07/2008 19:07

Tiggy that is so dangerous.



Tell that to Simon Wiesenthal.



Lest we forget the heros of yesterday the evil doers shall prevail



( little nige )

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 15:45

Littlenige you can tell him yourself.



Are you an Afrikana by any chance?



T.

matula


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Message Posted:
22/07/2008 14:42

Tiggy, The spelling is afrikaaner. As an ex SA resident I can only say that for all his past sins Mandela does command a lot of respect accross a broad spectrum of the SA community but when he dies who will fill his shoes? Certainly not M'beki or Zuma. The strife is not over in SA yet and it will all be along tribal lines a la Zimbabwe.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
22/07/2008 17:46

Tiggy no I am not Afrikana but my grandfather was one of the first troops in to Belsen and my grandfather in law was a pow of the japaneese ......



The memories and wounds never healed tell them to forget and move on !!!



Justice is only serverd when the guilty are punished.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
22/07/2008 19:40

Littlenige, I asked you a question that you may have been from SA.



not being rude, but the family history was not needed. You started this thread and it seemd to me you were provoking people in my opinion a distorted part of History. The man was 90 and it could have been left like that.



One of the great british traits is that we never do nothing wrong and the rest of the world is at fault. One of my mates went out to the Malvinas in 82 and is buried outside Stanley.



No more from me now.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
22/07/2008 20:48

Forgive me i never mentioned YOUR family Hisrtory



" it seemd to me you were provoking people in my opinion a distorted part of History."



HOW CAN I DISTORTE FACTS ??





History is made by facts and events NOT opinions

matula


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Message Posted:
22/07/2008 21:27

To both of you----the word is AFRIKAANER.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
22/07/2008 23:18

Ok nige, apology accepted.!





Sorry as well Metule......Afrikaaner it is.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
23/07/2008 10:11

Awww tiggu you are so nice