Read the daily express re expats in 46m benefit scandal front page

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 18:13

seems they now want to touch thoses who live in the sun!!!!Cyprus is mentioned for receiving payments for the last 5 yrs without their claims being reviewed that a loophole allows them to simply send a doctors note to keep the funding their life style

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 18:20

do you have the article ?



kav

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 18:22

i have the newspaper sorry check on line

greenman


Joined: 16/02/2008
Posts: 526

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 18:26

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/182036/Expats-in-46m-benefits-scandal

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 18:42

Scum...What more can one say...shame on them and it has been going on for far to long.







Spider,X

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 18:50

This is the sort of benefits that must be cracked down on, the benefit system is certainly due for a complete re-think.

laptarunner



Joined: 02/11/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 18:55

track them down

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 18:58

This should have been sorted out years ago, perhaps this new lot will be able to do something about it. UK is nearly bankrupt - there will always be people who need looking after, but this load of freeloaders!!!!!!

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 19:32

There are quite a lot of them living in TRNC, claiming all sorts of benefits. Keep an address in UK and go back if and when required, it is worth that much to people.



In fact I am aware of at least member of this forum who does exactly this.



When I first came here I was receiving Incapacity Benefit, I had checked before I left and it was OK to continue claiming. I did have to have a full medical after about 15 months, the difficulty being it was a psychiatric report. Although the psychiatrist stated I could not work within the remit of the report the DSS refused the medical and asked for me to return to UK for another medical and interview. Quite frankly it was not worth the cost and hassle.



So no more from the pan crack for me.

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 19:38

needs sorting ,so does the winter fuel allowance



cant blame people who have paid in for years though .



when you consider the raid on peoples pension pots that they have worked and paid taxes for ,then at older age realises the governments has stolen it .



should allways work as like ...paid in for years so you can get out



kav

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 20:02

Does annoy me when people are labelled....



expats are claiming benefits.....what about all the tc's that claim anything they can get



I know of a women that has never set foot in the Uk and came over and got all she could get....



just not bloody right in my book for any one to claim anything if not truly necessary

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 20:14

Yeah!



wynyardman

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 20:23

I worked for the NHS for 35yrs and now over 55yrs of age went to claim..told sorry you need to wait till 60 as have had a break in service.I paid my dues into this pension but now it seems that i need a Dr letter claiming i am unable to be retrained for some sort of work i am in constant pain with my back and have no intention of returning home to do retraining for some sort of work.!! i have retired now..Oh well Mr Spider just said you will just get a little bit more when you are 60..buggers.and these scroungers seem to get everything.!!!







Spider,X

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 20:58

Maria - message 13.



Just a point of interest. I, obviously, have no idea of when you will (eventually) receive your NHS pension, but would mention that you won't receive your State Pension when you reach the age of 60. This is now worked out on a 'sliding scale'.



PS It was lovely to see you and Vic again - will e-mail you soon.



Take care.



Jean

xx

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 21:03

It should be pointed out that it is not all ' expats ' who are the culprits. and not all in Cyprus.

There are people who hold UK passports but are from all over the world and due to the shoddy ' book keeping' in the UK are able to claim benifit after returning to the own country.

Incapicity benifit claims are a joke. Say you have a bad back or are depressed and you can claim.

When Labour put the incapicity benifit up there was an influx of new incapicity claiments and a drop in the dole figures.

When I lived in London a Nigerian who had worked for the housing department on the council gave himself 18 houses and he rented them out and had the rent payed into the bank. He was only caught because he asked a young woman for sex instead of cash. In court he said '' It is childs play to take your money. If you make the rules so easy you should not blame us for taking the money ''. It is hard to argue with that.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 21:13

Basheer.



If people currently pay (and we all paid in the past) their dues and tqxes in THE UK then they should be entitled to the benefits The UK have to offer.



Invalidity

Heating allowance.

Free medicines.

Pensions.etc etc.



If by dishonesty they keep an address in the UK, travel to the UK for free medical treatment. or tell lies to falsly claim benefits,

then they should rightly be charged with fraud.



Anyone guilty of such practices are criminals and should hang their heads in shame!



Not only my opinion, but the law of the UK, still the fairest legal system in the world.



wynyardman

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 21:13

message 11 and 13



i know a tc family that go over regular for treatment then just fly back .



cost of flight and treatment all free ,so it works both ways .



workers paying in should accrue gold ,silver ,bronze service ....if you dont pay in and never have you get to the back of the que .



kav

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 21:40

the system has been designed to be exploited ? they cant change it , it will cost to much , they will go on blaming previous governments ? whilst still exploiting all they can themselves ,

horselover


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 21:47

i live in london, work my bxxoloks off, even with a dodgy back n shoulder,and cant afford to buy even a bedsit. .some of my students i teach know people that come from bangladesh, have 5 bed council houses, claim benefits, pretent theyve been chuckd out, get anova house, and rent them out, usiing the money to buy a mansion in essex, and drive exec cars, with a disabled badge in the front window!!

if i had the brains to do it, i would screw the government for every penny theyv taken from me to keep them in million pound mansions.

horselover


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 21:50

anyone lend us a fiver?

straitasadie


Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:05

ive paid mega tax and ni being a uk business man.i believe i am entitled to keep cool in cyprus as much as a brit keeps warm in winter.im entititled to the allowance.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:10

Hi Jean.Tell me about it.looks like i may have to await the stated pension till i am at least 63/4yrs who knows.!!



Oh well such is life.How the other buggers get away with it i just dont know..It was good to see you both on this trip over and please let us know when your next over so as we can get together.Take care.



Spider,X

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:38

Like many others my private pension was eroded (political jargon for trousered) by Blair and Brown. I had this Baldrick like cunning plan to go Tom and Dick with schizophrenia and claim for both of us, ie me and me hoss, but my Wildebeest (bless her) scuppered this by pointing out that I was not schizophrenic but Shitsofrantic. At least I have something which is full !

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:14

The benefit system in the UK is open to fraud simply by the way it is managed. If you are not the type of person to commit fraud you wont. I know I have been on the receiving end of it recently. I 'temp' and had a period of weeks without work but I did not claim and lived on my savings. I then made the dreadful mistake of 'signing on'. Not for them to pay my mortgage, council tax or service charges but to get my 'stamp' and then was told I MIGHT be entitled to Jobseekers allowance. I waited two and threequarter hours to be seen, they were SHORTSTAFFED, honest. One member of staff came to me and asked would I mind filling in a questionnaire on my experience that day, I politely said of course, could she get me a pen and I would willing complete it. She went to one of her colleagues for a clip board and pen and he said 'don't give those out today, I said 'after waiiting for this length of time I insist on completing the form. It was not complementary on my treatment.

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:21

I had had enough time to isten to the gripes of the staff. I saw and heard the people who would not wait as they had a dentist,doctor appointment and had to go and they were seen immediately. I sat there patiently. Then when the staff member came to collect and read my questionnairre people started moving towards me, in a nice fashion I hasten to add. Anyway I got seen but unfortunately as I had to complete a form on the telephone for 45 minutes previous to going to the jobcentre and I was given an appointment but not given the list of documents that I would need to bring with me! Are you still with me it gets better, not a lot but this is the jobcentre we are dealing with. I was asked to bring the necessary documents the next day for photocopying which I did, they got lost and I got letters, 3 in all saying if I did not produce the info within 7 days they would take it that I do not want (something I might not be entitled to anyway after working full time for over 40 years)

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:27

jackeen i know how you feel, when my son lost his jpb and went on incapacity as he kept having asthma attacks, 4 times they lost his sick note. He had to keep going back to his GP who issued a copy, then to loose it again sent his asthma into overdrive, he had so many phone intervies with nothing forthcoming, like you he kept getting the letters if he did not respond in 7 days his case is closed. he spend days trying to ring them sometimes keeping in the que for hours. Its so stressful when these departments do not have the experience to deal with it x

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:35

I have sent off all the paperwork and now await their reply. In between I had an interview for a long term booking and was successful, I wont bore you with the return to work interview with the jobcentre. I have two neices and a nephew who have never worked, in the one family. They sit one their a---s all day long, one of them is going on her 2nd holiday in 9 months to Jamaica. One is going on a course for childminding (the latest money making craze) it will be for 6 weeks in Sept so in the meantime she does get paid money to sit at home. They have the most up to date clothes, tv's, get a cab from iceland and another from morrisons every week, am I mad YES!



If I was asked to change the benefit system in this country I would have a go. Get all long time scroungers working for their benefit. Sorry I have run out of moaning, thanks for reading

girne


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 09:15

Why not crack down on the the immigrants first, for they are the ones who have paid nothing into the system and keep getting the bennefits.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 14:02

jackeen

Thanks for showing to most on this forum that getting jobseekers allowance does not automatically make you a scrounger, I feel however that will be missed on here.



'Why not crack down on the the immigrants first,'

and the tax cheats and non doms.



Anyone who doesnt pay taxes to UK on bank accounts etc in NC, please just shut up about benifit cheats. You are 10 times worse , you dont need to break the law, you are not exactly on your last fiver.



All cheats ,ex pat or not, should be clamped down on.The country can no longer afford it.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 14:27

You can continue to pay you NI contributions whilst living in Cyprus which entitles you to you old age pension and healthcare.



Our accountant sorted ours out, from memory Im sure it was paid to the office in Newcastle.

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 14:50

My dad started work two days after his 15th birthday. He finished his working life at Royal Mail where the retirement age is 60. He deferred his pension and signed on at Jobseeker Plus and received jobseekers allowance. After 6 months he was referred to a government medical dept. They decided that there was no prospect of him finding a job and put him on incapacity benefit. Not only does this reduce the unemployment figure, it also saved the government money. He was no longer entitled to the extra benefits that the unemployed received. Never having claimed any benefits before he lost out by not knowing "the score". He was told he didn't need to sign on or furnish medical certificates and his incapacity benefit would be paid until State Retirement age, unless he found himself a job or left the country for more than 90 days. If he was out of the country for more than 90 days, his benefit would cease and he would not be entitled to NHS treatmnt on his return. A scrounger eh, ashamed, no

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 14:55

Msg 28 the most sensible reply in here sort they have paid nothing in but take everything they can out.

Msg 29 If you have a UK pension you pay taxes to the UK and have paid into the system for 40 odd year.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 21:11

topten



Thats right , but I was talking about tax evasion and the hypocricy of those who think when I cheat the exchequer its somehow different from a benefit cheat doing it.

If someone doesnt disclose there earned income from bank interest its no different than someone not declaring income from a job.



And, the reason you get your state pension is not because of the amount you put into the NI system ,that was spent on the NHS, pensioners etc at the time, its the present taxpayer that pays your present pension. If all the working people today evaded paying their taxes then you wouldnt have a pension

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
24/06/2010 01:14

Off course your'e right girne29 but the level of ignorance your'e up against is breathtaking -