Bufavento fees please pay up

Deniz1


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Message Posted:
06/07/2010 14:35

If any one reading this has a property at Bufavento Village can you please pay your fees. If not the pool will be closed down next month just in time for your holidays or that of your guests. We have the lowest fees around and things are really desperate now.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 15:22

thats why communal pools are nothing but trouble



last time i was there had to swim amongst male body fluids bloody disgusting i might add

Deniz1


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Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 17:50

Well our pool is very clean i must say but without funds it will close.That has a knock on effect on the property values if the pool gets filled in and at the moment they are losing value so we dont want another problem.I wish i knew how to get people to pay up.

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 18:17

Snap in our complex in Lapta. Brits. not so bad but the others are a waste of space!

joandjelly


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Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 18:38

How about painting a big red cross or something on the front door of everyone who has not paid. Shame them into paying up.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 19:00

Put a large sign up by the pool area and name the people who are in arrears with their fees. It's not illegal.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 19:34

Deniz1,



We have a very effective way of making owners pay, they are not allowed to buy water from the management company if they are in arrears with their service charges. I don't know how you get your water in Buffavento but ours is tankered in and we have communal water tanks on site. Also you could do what msg 6 has recommended and put up a notice board near the pool, name and shame these people. Why should they spoil it for the rest who pay?



The butlers wife

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 21:13

Our water is direct from the belediye and we have a notice by the pool.One owner has spent her holiday asking people to leave the pool as the house owners have not paid. Our fees are only £285 per year its not a lot to find.Next course of action is a solicitors letter i suppose but our money has all gone so how can we pay for that? Its a chicken and egg situation.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 21:17

Deniz1. But does your notice by the pool state the names of the non-payers?



These people just ruin it for everyone.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 21:39

Shame on these non payers, £285 a year, I wish our fees were only this. As you say it is a difficult situation.

Name all of these owners on the notice board and send out emails to all owners letting them know who they are. Do you have a committee or a newsletter, as these work better than one person trying to do everything on their own. If you don't have a committee form one.





The butlers wife

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 22:01

Yes we have sent emails letters under doors the names and house numbers are by the pool.We have a small committee and try our best.People are so short sighted as the pool is the focal point of the site and if its closed down it becomes a dust bowl.Great for your property value. Or the rental potential.One of the main culprits is a well known estate agent who owms property here.He never pays despite repeated requests.If i could sell i would and get off a complex its such a lovely place but i am fed up with the hassle.

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
06/07/2010 23:07

Did you switch over to the new company for management or are you still in Limbo

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 00:20

This will always be an ongoing problem in North Cyprus as it appears that there are no laws in obtaining money from non-payers. The new maintanance company who act on behalf of Bufavento residents promised to take non-payers to court, but this seems to be a pipe dream in the TRNC..............................if the pool is closed in August, then no more money from me!



Deniz1 - are you a owner or employee of the maintenance company?

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 00:46

there is specific legislation to take non payers to court. If you have maintenance contracts signed by the respective owners and they are signed and stamped and if the parcellisation is done and all in order then is not too difficult process to start proceedings. If you have a reasonable solicitor they should advise you or I should say they know the law if they advise you or not may be differant.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 06:38

Msg 12 W are with a management company.Msg 13 Understand what you are saying but thats the problem you wont pay if the pool is closed so we are in a no win situation.How can we keep it running with no money? By magic? I am a full time resident i dont work any more but i pay up although its a struggle to find the money.Msg 14 We have no maintenence agreement on our contracts our builder made a big mistake there.Our management company have said they will go to court as a last resort but with no contract how can they? And what happens in the mean time? As everyone knows it takes ages to go through the procedure.

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 09:37

Which pool are they threating to shut down is it on the Phase 1 or Phase 2 side I was under the impression that there was only a few non-payers on phase 1 and the most of those are untraceable.

jardap


Joined: 08/08/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 10:36

If you look on Naomi Mehmets webb site,in the q/a legal section there is information on what you can and cant do with non payers

http://www.nmplegal.com

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 10:48

Barnacle Bill

Den, There are 19 non payers on phase 1, made up of 4 Brits and 15 locals (most of which live on site or in Cyprus) so they should be able to trace most of those, and Phase 2 are in a similar situation.

susiesusie


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 337

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 10:48

we are equally in the same position. no amount of e mailing has got STRINGER ESTATES to pay up. should pay for 4 apts every 3 months but havnt paid since site was completed 18 months+ ago.

if you cant get an agency to pay upo then what chance individuals.

jardap


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Message Posted:
07/07/2010 11:19

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3 Jun 2010 Another month and a new set of North Cyprus legal questions. Please feel free to add comments, however Naomi will not be able to comment on these directly. If you have a question for Naomi, use our form at the bottom of this page (click here) .







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1 Title Deeds and mortgage

How can we get our Title Deeds when the builder will not remove the mortgage on the land?





“Unfortunately, while there is a mortgage over the land on which your property is situated, it is not possible for the transfer of title to take place. Transfer of title can only take place if the mortgage is de-registered, either over the whole site, or over a share

jardap


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Message Posted:
07/07/2010 11:20

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jardap


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Message Posted:
07/07/2010 11:25

Hi all,







Just a quick link to our latest set of legal answers on Lincguide.



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Deniz1


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Message Posted:
07/07/2010 11:47

Msg 16 Phase 2

measey


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Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 19:54

I know a chap from Chingford that could help, they have a choice i Break your Legs or Pay Up.

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 20:55

Deniz1 (Reference message 15)



We are Phase 1 owners and have paid our maintenance fees in full for the last 6/7 yrs and only use the pool for approx 3 wks in the summer, we also struggle to make ends meet and are not happy that the money we pay has to cover the cost of those that don't. We don't have a money tree in our back garden either.



Phase 1 have had threats in the past from our previous maintenance company, stating that the pool will be closed if non-payers don't pay, but this threat does not worry the non-payers, it is the payers that suffer, as they are the owners that want the site to look good.



After many frustrating years arguing with those residents that should'nt use the pool and replacing broken furniture, often damaged by non-payers and their renters, we now feel that any future concerns raised over non-payers the only answer is to fill the pool in and then we only have to pay for the gardens to be tended to and we can swim in the sea.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 21:12

Name and shame them..............

jamestalbot


Joined: 20/12/2009
Posts: 958

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 21:20

Well al I can say is £285.00 PA is cheap

KickingK


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Posts: 90

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 21:27

Makes no difference if cheap or not.....................still the problem of owners not paying!

Deniz1


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Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 21:29

Ref msg 25 we have talked about filling in the pool or reducing its size but it seems such a shame it looks so lovely but its a money drain. Have to wait and see i suppose.

jamestalbot


Joined: 20/12/2009
Posts: 958

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 21:41

What are you complaining about my friends in lapta are paying £42.00 a month and I am paying £50.00 a month, so get real, pools cost money, for up keep. So £285.00 PA is good, so don't complain.





The problem of owners not paying, well deny them access to the pool, some friends of mine in Alsacak had that problem so they fenced off the pool area and gave keys to those that paid their fees.



Hope you sort it out



James

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 21:43

Msg 27.

Its £285 because it is a well established site now requiring very little maintenance.The gardens are mature the pool has overcome its bedding in probs so I think where site fees are nearly double this it is due to them been in their initial stages.Not only that we have on our site the unsung heroes who give up parts of their holidays to do bits here and there.It is unfortunate that non-payers continue to get away with it and basically there is little you can do if they are locals.To keep the same standard it would mean an increase in fees on those that do pay and that just isnt fair.

Msg 18.

I was given the wrong information with regard to the number of non payers on phase 1 and was misled with the information I was given when the new company was brought in with regard to the action that was going to be taken against the non-payers.It seems that I have become the proverbal Mushroom in light of this ( kept in the dark and fed on shit )

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 21:44

Deniz1



It seems sad to result to this, but everytime we visit it is the same story 'non-payers', I get disheartened with the whole 'North Cyprus' thing, no laws that protect the buyers/homeowners. Sometimes think it would be easier to sell.....................

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 22:11

Msg 32 i would if i could

barnaclebill


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Posts: 303

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 22:13

MSG 30

James you sometimes talk through I assume you very lofty hat and in my book come across very condecending ,THIS SITE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR 6 plus years .The majority of the original residents put in hard graft freely i might add to establish the site to what it is today hence the fees are what they are.These fees were set by the new maintenance company who took over and the quotes by the other companies were much the same. What do you want the residents to say "thats to low James and his mates up the road pay between £500 and £600". Dont make comments that you no nothing about nor be so flippant as to tell people to stop complaining .I for one dont give a damn how much you pay for your site fees or would I be so flippant as to say I think your mad for paying what you pay or your mates.I just hope that you are getting your £50 a months worth and look forward to your comments a year or two down the line when they put your fees up BB

KickingK


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Posts: 90

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 23:10

Message 34



Have to agree, I don't know where the amount of maintenance paid has come into it......................merely a thread started regarding non-payers. No-one has mentioned that the price is too high!! Maybe James has not read the whole thread.

advocate67


Joined: 05/07/2010
Posts: 20

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 23:51

To all the above who say "name and shame" those who can't pay the £285.00. I find your comments very harsh and ignorant of personal problems some may be facing. To you it may not be a lot of money, to some it is an awful lot of money.



I purchased a house a few years ago whilst married, money not a problem then, I'm now divorced, struggling with three children, like many others. I owe two years maintenance and will borrow the money this year to pay it. How does naming and shaming those who can't afford to pay help???



I am behind on my mortgage payments in the UK, the Bank have been very sympathic, perhaps the Turks could learn something from them.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/07/2010 23:58

Would it be possible to rent your UK property out and cover the mortgage payments?

advocate67


Joined: 05/07/2010
Posts: 20

Message Posted:
08/07/2010 10:19

In theory a nice idea but the practicalities of life do not lend to such a solution, thanks anyway

jardap


Joined: 08/08/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
08/07/2010 11:14

If apartment owners do not pay their site maintenance, what if any legal action can be taken against them?

A number of the apartments are let, would we be able to refuse access to the pool,parking spaces,sun terraces etc,as the upkeep of these is paid from maintenence payment



“The maintenance of the common areas of an apartment complex are governed by the Apartment Laws.

Under the Apartment Laws, all owners are responsible for contributing towards the maintenance, protection and repair of the common areas, including monthly maintenance fees. Decisions regarding maintenance issues are taken by simple majority at meetings where more than ½ of the owners are present.

Failure by any of the owners to comply with this can be taken to court by any of the other owners individually or by the maintenance company/manager.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to prevent non-payers from using the communal facilities. However it is possible to withdraw any maintenance services being provided wit

jardap


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Posts: 318

Message Posted:
08/07/2010 11:19

any maintenance services being provided within the maintenance fee to their own apartments. You need to discuss the issue with the maintenance company to find out what is being done to obtain payment. It may be necessary to instruct an advocate to send the non-payers a legal notice threatening legal action is payment is not made

jardap


Joined: 08/08/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
08/07/2010 11:48

Finally managed to get this on,as you can see you cant stop people who have not paid using the pool etc,

so legally there is not a lot you can without threatening legal action against owners

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
08/07/2010 12:40

The issue of non payers is so frustrating and time consuming for both the management company and the committee, that is is difficult to know how to get the money out of the freeloaders.

I am a committee member on a site at Esentepe, and we have 4 non payer out of a total of 57 which is not too bad. Have thought about naming and shaming but believe it may make them more unlikely to pay, so we just keep firing off emails, which in the past years have proved successful.

We are fortunate that the way the services are configured we are able to deny them water, and we are now looking at introducing penalty charges in the same manner as Kibtek.

best of luck

Michael

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
08/07/2010 13:42

Thanks Micheal unfortunately we dont have the opportunity to with hold the water.I m afraid its mostly local people who are not paying but they expect to come at the weekends and use the pool.Also friends etc.1 house had 10 people there last week and when asked for money they offered £20. Never mind we will keep plugging away.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 16:44

After a very heated discussion about fees etc my friends house had eggs thrown at the front door during the night. Poor man he was not involved in the argument in fact he was inside his house at the time. I think it was a case of mistaken house identity what ever next? The intended target has now gone back to the uk.

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 18:06

Having sent the Management company an E-Mail concerning the rumours coming from the complex,I received today a very full and prompt reply.

There will be a letter coming to all residents in the very near future lets wait and see.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 18:21

Anyone using common facilities that have paid their maintenance should be given a wrist band to prove that they are allowed to use the aforesaid common facilites and anyone that does not have a wrist band should be spoken to and asked to leave the facilities. Those that have paid could police this situation quite easily.

AJ

Deniz1


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Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 18:22

I hope they have updated their email addresses as some were incorrect

barnaclebill


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Posts: 303

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 18:31

MSG47

Could be that you could help them out by advising them of the ones that are wrong ??

Deniz1


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Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 20:46

I have done so.

sienna


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Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 21:10

how sad your site always seem to run so smoothly name and shaming works on our site !! they want to think themselves lucky that the fees are not higher which they will be if they dont pay up

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 22:49

Msg 44



So I take it the egg throwers are the non-payers? How awful that an innocent owner was targeted in this way. Would be no need for heated discusions if all paid up. Can't believe that people buy properties with communal areas and don't have the foresight to see that they have to put money in the pot for the upkeep. Hope these individuals have to pay up in the end, plus any arrears they owe.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 22:54

We have a meeting tomorrow so we will see the outcome of that. A big thanks to those who have done so much for the site in the past they know who they are. We do get critism from some but when it comes to it its the same folk who do all the work.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 06:22

At last some progress. We now have a new committee and our management company attended a meeting last night whcih was very amicable.Also a few more people have paid some money.Let us hope we have turned the corner now and can keep our lovely home running smoothly.

keyholekate


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 81

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 20:10

Could you please re- post Verda's e mail address, I know I have seen it and I'm almost certain you were the person asking people to let her have their e mail addresses. Now I can't find it. Thank you.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 20:57

AJ message 46 - afraid that doesn't work with some locals. They are unwilling to pay for the communal pool, but are unable to understand why they, and their visiting relatives, should not be able to use it!

I would never buy somewhere with a communal pool again.

Deniz1


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Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 21:50

Msg 54 verda@donaghyandbeyler.com