What are the Turkish terms for reunification of the island?

Civilised


Joined: 09/07/2010
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 18:25

So what are they? Twin government? Majority Greeks in power due to majority population? Return of all Turkish settlers/troops and return of land and homes to Greeks. You can have your homes in the south no problems.

What do you think?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 18:37

simple



overtake the rest off the island and make it totally turkish.





musin



long live the kktc

Civilised


Joined: 09/07/2010
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 18:42

Lol good luck! Well you'll get your chance. Unfortunately according to Byzantine prophecy and Nostradamus it will be the last thing Turkey does. Putin is getting ready.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 18:43

Ok. Bait taken - Putin is getting ready for what?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 18:47

what drivel are you coming up with now, you have quoted on several posts of histories of hundreds of years ago and assume that any of it should apply to modern day. Try going back 36 years ish and looking into what caused the whole thing, I am not saying one side or the other but there were definately 2 sides.



If you really want to go by prophecies than enjoy whatever you think will happen, it will only last till the end of 2012 anyway, didn't you see the movie.



By the way, weren't the Macedonians their own peolpe until the greeks incorporated them, therfore Cyprus by your logic is macedonian and neither the greeks or the turkish has claim.

Civilised


Joined: 09/07/2010
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 18:50

Nothing its only prophecy, cant be taken literally.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 18:50

boo hoo hoo



anomosity is what churns you greeks too pieces.



the minute you are challenged you bring other countries into the equation,theres a word for that see if you can guess what it is.



oh and you have spelt your name wrong it,s gollo,

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 18:50

i think the only way forward is 2 seperate states due to total disregard for any direct trade for north cyprus ! you had your chance when your own people voted against the annan agreement so dont come on here worrying about how the turks view it ! look in the mirror.

Civilised


Joined: 09/07/2010
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 18:59

The Annan plan! You wanted us to vote yes to that?! Youre far more deluded than I thought.



Proger msg 5. You have zero knowledge of Greek history, you sound like a pseudo Bulgarian. All of Greece was city states, Sparta, Athens, Thebes etc same language, same religion. Thats why Macedonians had Greek names, worshipped Greek Gods, had Greek city names, Alexander educated by Aristotle. Philpos of Macedon along with Alexandros united us into one country, one people. Please dont talk about what you dont know. Speak to a historian, dont get your info off the net, it backfires.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 19:17

If Aristotle thought for one minute you GC's were Greek the world would hear him turning in his grave.



Patientia est a donum superum

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 19:19

serious answer to the question posed ,we don,t have any as we do not want too mix with you guys any

longer.

can you blame us .

it,s as simple as that ,please do not complicate it .



as you know ,your parents must of told you, we turks are simple ,now please leave us alone and stick to your

very smart side of the island.



musin



long live the kktc

Civilised


Joined: 09/07/2010
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 19:23

You think thats what would make Aristotle turn in his grave?? They are Greeks my friend, genetically proven, culturally in every way. Dont worry though, as Ive stated obviously Turks have a substantial Hellenic genetic marker. Otherwise theyd all look more like Mesut Ozil, good player.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 19:31

Discivilised

Post your DNA chart and I'll get it analysed, it will show your race lineage!



Richard

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 19:33

Civilised, I have zero knowledge, correct, that is why I asked a question and didn't make a statement.

Therefore you call me pseudo Bulgarian, not even sure what that means but I am pretty sure it was insulting.



You are defeating your own arguement with your genetic statements by stating that Turks have substantial hellenic genes, therefore they are partially greek and therefore if as you say Cyprus is or was 2, 343 years ago greek then the turks have just as much right to be there as any other genetically, culturally or just live next door to greeks.



You won't win any arguements on here because in your mind you have allready won them. You are trying to enforce your statements on people who don't want to listen to them but like myself have fun reading your tirades as it actually shows your indoctrinated ignorance.



Maybe we should consider the Italian influence over Europe, no wait their genetic make up is partly arabic so we will all be going back to Persia in the end.

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 19:33

im sorry if the annan plan disapointed you ! but it appears you are very deluded if you thought it was going to get any better than that ! now try to be a little more humble and you might find you would get a bit more respect from your Turkish Cypriot brothers .

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 19:46

Proger 1.



Wind them up till they go away.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 19:51

Troodo, the only reason they do this is to wind us up so it is only fair.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 20:00

Question for 'Civilised'



are you Greek .. or are you a CYPRIOT that speaks Greek like it has been 'murdered' ....



Are you Pushti or an Arab that wears shoes.. ? ;)

fatboy



Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 244

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 20:24

It's Jokers like Civi make me ashamed to support Liv fc.,but I think i'll get over it.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 20:29

Long live the TRNC and we are happy living here..







Spider,X

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 20:31

Eh come ed fat boy,

Paul.

fatboy



Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 244

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 20:48

Paul .I get the msg.it's hard supporting liv.fc.but this d**k head has wound me up .

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 20:52

Don't take any notice of him , bless him he's only after a bit of attention

Simbas

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 22:47

Judging by the vicious language used by GC's against their TC neighbours on forums, Facebook pages etc discussing J Lo coming here, would any TC ever vote to live amongst these people again? It would be tantamount to committing suicide!

Probably much wiser to stay on the pretty side of the island so the GC's can't try to wipe them out again.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 22:57

we're all out of Africa anyway

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 22:57

Civilised. You're not very civilised.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 23:36

We got married over South new years eve 1999..and we were very frightened of the North side and the propaganda that was going on. ! We had a friend who had also gone for a hoilday South and she came over North for the day,she told us all about it and how wonderful it was.



And on that note.and having never even visited the North side,we sold up and came over here...We love everything about the TRNC.everything.given time we are sure things will work out for everyone.



Spider,X

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
10/07/2010 23:53

Good on you spider, when we bought in NC all our family thought we would be murdered in our beds! Even now my dear sister is scared every time we hol over. As she still goes to the south on hol and the terrible stories she hears about the murdering turks etc etc. I just dispair of them ever being able to live in peace together with all the hate from GCs towards the TCs. In fact how do the GC ever think they could resume where they left off?



dizzy x

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 00:51

this is very good taking care of the rights for the TCs now tell me where is there rights with 160000 settlers and 43000 turkish troops are they or not a minority ?

i spoke with too many TCs and i dident got the idea that they look the settlers as brothers.

on the other hand we gave them all they need to be recognized as eu members .

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 01:07

Tracer the greeks have been trying hard to get rid of the turkish settlers and they are always going on about how the TCs dont like the turkish mainlanders and cant live with them. The truth of the matter is that the greeks are trying to divide the TCs with the mainlanders as they are scared of them (mainlanders). They know only too well that if the mainlanders stay on the island Enosis can never be achieved. Some of the mainlanders are more patriotic than the TCs. i for one am not for the turkish settlers leaving the island. So dont try and use the old trick about the TCs not liking the mainlanders its the greeks who dont like them.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 06:31

msg 1;

"What are the Turkish terms for reunification of the island?"

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 06:39

msg 29,tracer wrote;

"on the other hand we gave them all they need to be recognized as eu members "



You gave us NOTHING and you'll give us NOTHING....not at your own will anyway!

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 06:58

message1.



"you can have your homes in the south no problem"



Well thanks for that but NO thanks. If we had wanted to live there that's where we would be now. Have a good day.



Chris

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 09:25

I am with you Ataturk.



Patientia est a donum superum

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 10:06

I believe the Turkish terms for an aggreement are only one demand upon the Greek Cypriots and their political supporters. "After over 40 years of demanding everything and offering nothing make some proposals favourable to both parties and in equal amounts and we will engage with you"

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 12:40

If only the people of this island could agree to be Cypriot it could be a Jewel in the Med.

In 1969 David Frost ran a one off tv show in Northern Ireland called ' Northern Ireland - The Future ', and just as the programme started there was a disturbance as some members of the audence said how could the show discuss the future when they had the same old bigots from both sides on the panel who could only talk about 1916 or 1690.

To read this forum it does not take long to see that we could be in NI or Cyprus and can only discuss years gone by. What was done can not be undone but learned from, so we can look to the future and what can be done for the betterment of all on this Island.

Perhaps if our leaders sat down, not as GC's or TC's but as Cypriots, without demands, they would work for all the people here.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 12:59

re 36



AMEN to THAT !

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 13:03

MSG 36

from your mouth to gods ears Carndi

this what im telling all the time to be cypriots and nothing else if we said that and live us alone we will find a solution in no time but, if we stay in the pass this will never happen. Now for sure somebody will come and say that this is a trick and that we will use it to genocide the tcs it happens all the time.

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 13:08

msg 32



ive quote you fellings yiorko stay there in your stone age if its makes you feel ok.

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 13:29

msg 35

debuty

pls if you find any mathimatical book that can equalize 18% with 80% i will pleased to read it.

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 14:22

Carndi you only have to look at the sataments written on facebook from the young greek cypriots to see that the past is not in the past and they have more hatred bred in them then their parents. I am not a cypriot I am a turkish cypriot. This game about being cypriot and not greek or turkish is all nonsense and designed to seperate the turkish cypriots from the mainlanders so as to divide us.



Just remeber this that when the cypriots tell you that they dont like the mainlanders you have to remember who they are talking about. They are talking about the workers who come here from the villages the majority are kurds and Hatayli who actually despise Turkey.



Proper educated turks from the mainland are few and far between but there is a big difference, they bring money and commerce to the island where as the others drain the states resources ie NHS and any money they goes back to Turkey.



There are approximately 400 prisoners in jail in the lefkosa prison and 350 of them are co

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 14:24

mainlanders the rest are turkish cypriots.



I am not against proper turkish people coming here as they are helping the country. The rest who are here can easily be replaced as the work that they do is labour, construction, cleaning and other jobs that anyone can do.

Civilised


Joined: 09/07/2010
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 16:47

The English here have made me feel sick to my stomach. Swallowed Turkish bs to justify buying tainted land and homes. Get it right, you are not a state, you might think you are, you are not. The world does not recognise you, now you may think the world is wrong and you are right but thats akin to insanity. All you have is squatters rights. Justify your stay all you want Anglo's, live in Greek towns where the names have been simply turkofied. In homes stolen from murdered Greek men women and children. Ive visited north, dont make out its a haven. Its a dump, you screwed up Kerynia to no end. Even had kids begging for money and armed gangs in the street. Time will run out soon, the three day war approaches. See you soon.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 16:54

Oh you do make me giggle, must take you ages to come up with such gems. Thanks, I was getting a little bored today, you have just enlightened me to how much drivel one person can invent.

Civilised


Joined: 09/07/2010
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 16:57

Unlike you mate I dont spend all day on line. Drivel you say you just cant afford a house in the south or are some sort of masochist wanting to live up there, watch you dont step on any mass graves.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 16:58

civil

i believe you have answered your own question about unification .



words are cheap and that it seems is all you have.



musin



long live the kktc

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:00

civilised you know nothing of my worth or my choices, I can't afford a shoebox, honestly. I can sit online all day getting paid a fortune to do this, isn't that a bi*ch. As for where I chose to live, that is up to me and if you are greek then the reason for not living in your type of community is blatantly obvious to all but you, have fun though I am giggling my ass off

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:02

Civilised,



Eoka.........Enosis. Were these just figments of my imagination,



Whose property do you occupy in London? Have you got the Deeds?



wyn

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:04

On another note, how did you know I was a masochist, have you been hacking my blog you nasty little person, sites like that are only for adults, didn't the church teach you that as well as the inane spouting you have displayed on here. By the way, I hope you paid for the full membership price for my site, it is how I make a living you know.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:05

It's so sad to see so much hate emanating from a so called "civilised" person. How on earth can there be unification when Greek Cypriots will not accept their part in the "Cyprus Problem".

Denial and race hate comments such as "civilised's" only contributes to the general international realisation that it is the Greek Cypriots who do not want a solution.

No doubt our EU masters and the UN now understand just who is delaying the unification talks.

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:05

Civilised since you started the post what was the objective,was it to just have a go or were you being geniune. What is it that you are trying to gain or what is it that you want to say.



You say a three day war, do you know that there is more than 40,000 turkish soldiers stationed on the Island. You try and sound educated and seem like your trying to debate but in reality you are just trying to vent your anger at the British on this forum, but they know the real truth so dont waste your time.

Civilised


Joined: 09/07/2010
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:08

EOKA - Enosis -Anglo-American backed Junta in Greece. ANyway if the Greeks want Enosis surely its up to them to do what they want with their island?



Proger whats wrong with living in Greek communities? Enlighten me while you giggle that fat pink arse of yours off.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:11

ataturk.



Civilised..."you sound educated"



Are you having a largh?



wyn

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:14

OOOH, you have been on my website, I thought I deleted my ass picture, in answer to your question about living in a greek community, I grew up in one and relaised thier hatred for all but greeks but until you started your comments I had forgotten how short sighted they really are but thank you, I had always tried to stay neutral when it came to NC but I now know that the only neutrality is staying away and since I can't do that I suppose you have shown me what it would be like trying to share anything with Greeks such as yourself.

You have a really funny way of showing that peace is even possible.

Just a question for you, if a child is born in North Cyprus after 74 does that make them greek, turkish or Cypriot.

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:17

Greek communities,Turkish communities,mixed communities ! what a lovely friendly chap you are civilised your Turkish Cypriot brothers await your hand of friendship and your assistance in moving this island forward !

Civilised


Joined: 09/07/2010
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:21

Proger depends where that childs parents are from. Nice to see you gave Greeks a chance! Stereotypical redneck you are. Enjoy living with the "liberal" Turks, you really are hilarious.



Eastender, I dont have any Turkish brothers, just squatters on my land.

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:24

These people share your beloved island Civilised how do you move the peace process forward by insulting them ?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:25

Civilised/Msg 45: 'watch you don't step on any mass graves'



Events leading to the sending of the UN Peace-Keeping Force to the island



On Christmas Eve 1963 the Greek Cypriot militia attacked Turkish Cypriot communities across the island. Large numbers of men, women, and children were killed and 270 mosques, shrines and other places of worship were desecrated.



On Dec. 28, 1963, the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there, and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror was so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:26

cont'd:



On Dec. 31, 1963, The Guardian reported: "It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor-allegedly by a group of 40 men, many in army boots and greatcoats." Although the Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could and killed some militia, there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.

On Jan. 1, 1964, the Daily Herald reported: "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs springs, children's cots, and gray ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot's. In ne

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:27

Damn, I know you can't remember the truth but I thought you might be able to read it.



Let me try again, I GREW UP WITH GREEKS AND DON'T WANT TO LIVE WITH THEM AGAIN" was it any easier to read when in BIG letters.



You really aren't helping the chance that anyone might want to live in a greek community.



My confusion is this, the web site has been around for several years now but you have only just started writing at the age of 43 and living in london. If you really had lost what you claim surely you would have tried a little more productive technique in releasing your grief and well before now.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:27

Civilised

You are the one who is deluded.

Read 'Voices of Blood' and watch the DVD which were written and recorded by a Greek Cypriot.

Read 'Death of a Friendship' written by a Matron who treated both Greeks and Turkish Cypriots during the troubles. She left 3 people in her living room 2 TC patients and an armed guard (Greek). when she returned the 2 patients had been shot dead and the armed guard had disappeared.

STOP listening to propaganda which has been drummed into you since birth and get the REAL story.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:28

cont'd:



On Jan. 2, 1964, the Daily Telegraph wrote: "The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers."

On Jan. 12, 1964, the British High Commission in Nicosia wrote in a telegram to London: "The Greek [Cypriot] police are led by extremist who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as 'special constables' gun-happy young thugs. They threaten to try and punish any Turkish Cypriot police who wishes to return to the Cyprus Government... Makarios assured Sir Arthur Clark that there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved."

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:29

cont'd:



On Jan. 14, 1964, the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on Dec. 26, 1963 and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on Feb. 16, 1964; and there were many more.



On Feb. 6, 1964, a British patrol found armed Greek Cypriot police attacking the Turkish Cypriots of Ayios Sozomenos. They were unable to stop the attack.



On Feb. 13, 1964, the Greeks and Greek Cypriots attacked the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Limassol with tanks, killing 16 and injuring 35.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:36

Cont'd:



Do you want to learn more, 'Civilised'?



Because it's obvious that your education concerning Greek Cypriot history is abysmally lacking.



Now, whose fault could that have possibly been?



Church, school, or home, or the sinister combination of all three?

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:45

Civilised (even the names a joke) msg 56.

And how many turkish Cypriots have squatters (Greek Cypriot) on their land ? you are hilarous, it's a two way street, unless of course you are a Greek Cypriot and think you are entitled to everything, ha ha ha ha you lunatic.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:49

tattlad, in fairness you may be insulting lunatics a bit with that comment.



After all one definition of lunatic is : Wildly or giddily foolish.



Civilised is way out past the edges of foolish and by the looks of it has no intent in coming back

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 17:53

Civilised - Read your own Greek Governments court records:



GREEK GOVERNMENT, The Court of Cassation in Athens:

'Turkey's intervention in Cyprus as a Guarantor Power within the framework of the Zurich and London Agreements is legal. Actually the Greek officers against whom the court cases have been brought, are responsible for the intervention. Turkey was among the Guarantors of the Republic of Cyprus. General Ioannides and his 102 colleagues endangered the integrity of the Republic of Cyprus and created the climate for the intervention.'

JUDGEMENT NO 2658/79 of 21 March 1979

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 18:03

Civilised/Msg 1:



The continual loud and persistent assertions emanating from Greek Cypriot sources that there was no ethnic cleansing or attempted genocide of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots is ridiculous. Until influential Greek Cypriots come to terms with the appalling behaviour of their community toward the smaller Turkish Cypriot community and stop trying to persuade themselves and the world that each side was as much to blame as the other, there will be no reconciliation and reunification of Cyprus.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 18:03

READ the book written by your Greek Leader Andreas Papandreou 'DEMOCRACY AT GUNPOINT' (a very apt title you must agree)in which Andreas exposes how his late father George Papandreau agreed with Makarious and clandestinely despatched 20,000 Greek soldiers to the island for the achievement of ENOSIS.



The Greeks were already the majority on the island, why did they need to ship in 20,000 Greek soldiers?

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 18:12

The "Three Day War" is coming????? Don't make me laugh, what makes you think you could do in three days that you failed to do between 1950 and 1974?



At least the North should be well armed. Lots of second hand Greek rifles left around in 1974 - all in very good condition, only dropped once!



Please get real, the whole world knows that the only support you have in the South is from Greece - if the Eurovison Song Contest tells the world anything at all it makes that and the 10 point swop very plain.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 18:15

Civilised:

One of the world statesmen involved in the Cyprus conflict was George Ball, USA Under Secretary of State during the Kennedy & Johnson Adminisatration 1961-1966. Wrote in his book 'The Past Has Another Pattern' (Memoirs, Norton & Co 1982 P341-347), George Ball describes his meeting with Archbishop Makarious as follows:

'I promptly telegraphed the President advising him of my proposal.......'

'The Greek Cypriots', I wrote, 'do not want a peacekeeping force; they just want to be left alone to kill Turkish Cypriots'

ataturk


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Posts: 712

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 18:32

Waddo I'm pissing myself "only dropped once" keep it it coming this guy has made me laugh

HildySmith


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Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 18:43

My Son has lived in the South for 7 years and when I visited him I casually looked in the local estate agents windows at properties. He immediately said:

'Mam you don't want to buy a house here - it is a dump. Go up North. It is much more friendly, it is much prettier and the people are very nice people'. He brought me to the north and I agreed with him. So I moved to TRNC in February. My son and his family have now also moved to the North and he says he will never move to/live in the South again (having lived there for 10 years).

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 18:45

Waddo - don't forget there is a Greek tank up the mountain here above Karsiyaka. it ran off the road, so that's the same as a rifle being dropped once (isn't it??)

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 18:56

Errr Hildy, That is a Turkish Tank, sorry. It was one of the tanks that made it almost to the top of the ridge whilst under fire all the time. Even the drive don't know how he did it and being offered the chance to drive it back down again he said - No!



Proves the point through, if that tank could have made it that far up the "Strongly defended hills of Cyprus", where were all the defenders at the time - busy trying to open fish and chip shops in Clapham probably.



Never met a Greek chippy owner in the UK who did not come from Limassol, Paphos or Nicosia and whose whole family had been made homeless by the invading Turkish army. Not even ones who were born in Wolverhampton either!!



The "Civilised" post of a three day war got my goat - sorry. The GC keeps telling the North that it is occupied, if that is so when the 3 day war starts they are not fighting the North, they are fighting the occupying force - that would be Turkey then - hmmmmm. I will keep my head down for

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 19:13

Even had kids begging for money and armed gangs in the street. Time will run out soon, the three day war approaches. See you soon.



If you weren't so stupid you would be dangerous - but we love you.



Patientia est a donum superum.

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 19:54

I was sent here on Boxing Day 1963 as a member of the British forces and seen a lot of what went on and had some on this site seen the same sights they would not be spewing out their bile.

Ask those who went through it if they would like to relive the past or is it worth striving for a settlement that ensures a future for their children and their childrens children. I can not believe that anyone would ask to go back to late 1963 or early 1964.

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 20:01

Carndi,

Here in 65, a bit quieter then but only on the public outside! Hear what you say and could not agree more. Only a fool would want to go back and try "Trust" again. I wish the TRNC well.

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
11/07/2010 20:08

And that Waddo is it in a nutshell, good point.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 00:57

msg 39;



Keep dreaming,I'll wake you up as well when time is right.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 01:03

Yorgozlu stop waking GCs up. Let em sleep they need there beauty sleep. You know what GC women are like, but they are really very nice after they shave.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 01:07

Yfred,someone has got to keep an eye on them,why not me!! As for GC women,next time you come across one shaving,I'd like to watch as well please.



hope you are keeping well.

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 08:58

Ive had my beauty sleep yfred thanks for caring ,but your comment about the women is bad and nasty .

and yiorko where is your standards . too low my friend. and is getting nowhere.

is not my type such an attack or even a joke.



and i will say it again if we still digging the pass we will make the same mistakes again and again

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 09:17

Tracer, my comment was a bit of banter about GC women, you wish to see nasty read the other forum occasionally.



But make sure they have shaved before you look at them otherwise it may turn into a thriller.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 09:33

Actually i have to agree , personal comments about Greek women were uncalled for , and just because they post nasty things on the other forums it doesn't make it right to do it on here

Simbas

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 09:45

and just for your information i never join any other forums or know any.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 09:56

Well give this a gander



http://www.cyprus-forum.com/

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 10:23

message 82



answer to the question



http://www.kgbanswers.com/do-greek-women-shave-their-legs-and-armpits/4853869

mozgor



Joined: 16/06/2010
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 11:31

Civilised, I've resisted taking the bait, but I have to ask the question - do you accept that the island would still have been united had there not been a coups by the Greeks to overthrow Cyprus and dominate? Turkey only 'invaded' in order to protect the Turkish Cypriot minority population and that's fact. The reason they are still there is because of the blatent hatred and biased propaganda coming out of the south against the north. The common belief in TRNC is that if Turkey pull out, the Turkish Cypriots would be victimised at best or slaughtered at worst. So where does the original blame lie then and is it not true that Larnaca airport is built on Turkish Cypriot land as well as many Turkish Cypriot properties in the south, so why don't we here about all that then?

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 13:04

I did not believe that the GCs would kill all the TCs in 1974, but having seen what Serbs did to the Bosnians with the help of Greeks in the 90s, so now I have no doubt that Samson would have killed all the TCs in 74. Especially as it was Greek Officers who were directing operations. In any case, there is only a ceasefire in place since 1974, till there is a peace treaty, the Turkish Army isn't going anywhere. The peace operation cost the lives of 4500 mehmetcik. So on the 20th of July lets spare a thought for all those who were killed.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 13:10

YFred



How many TCs were attacked / killed between July 15th- July 20th ?



The 'peace-movement' was protect TCs, right ?



I'm sure you know thhat the WORST 'GC perpetrated' atrocities ( Tochni) happened after August 14th - the day that TR broke the UN brokered cease-fire.. ?



Let's spare a thought for all those killed because TR hadn't achieved it's territorial aim and the breach of trust nurtured at a time of HUGE mistrust was tossed away - with brutal consequences for too many Cypriots of both ethnicities..

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 15:09

the term 'occupied' gets me

how can it be 'occupied' when the people who live here are Turkish CYPRIOTS living in CYPRUS

The south is OCCUPIED - by Greek CYPRIOTS - why is notihing said about that

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 15:31

in the same way the south is OCCUPIED by Greek and British troops I suppose. Apparently the British have taken over a part of Cyprus, called it sovereign territory, and refuse to leave.

mozgor



Joined: 16/06/2010
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 17:54

Malsancak - that's where this all started, apparently the USA didn't want UK to pull out of Cyprus cos it is a strong foothold for the middle east. So they decided to set the cat amongst the pigeons by telling Turkey about the impending coups let by the Greeks - that's what prompted Turkey to take action and protect the Turkish Cypriots on the island by landing forces. It took the pressure off the Brits to get out of Cyprus as the Greeks then focussed on the Turkish - devious or what?

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 17:58

the Kissinger of death, it should have been called

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 23:35

Nice two of my posts been deleted ok post only what suits you . live in your own dreamy world .

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 23:48

European Foreign Affairs Commissioner Hans van den Broek protested that the Turkish Cypriot community was being "victimized" and withheld from "a better and more prosperous future" as a result of Turkey's insistence on an occupied and divided Cyprus.



An increasing number of Turkish Cypriots have realized that the future of a prosperous Cyprus is a united one without Turkish troops. Rejecting the hard-line partitionist stand of the occupation regime, in October 1999 an influential bloc of 23 Turkish-Cypriot trade unions and professional organizations appealed directly to visiting U.S. envoy Alfred Moses to work for the reunification of war-divided Cyprus on the basis of UN Security Council resolutions that call for a unified Cyprus and a withdrawal of occupation troops.



The TRNC's occupation regime has trapped Turkish Cypriots in a political and economic black hole, all the while importing Turks from the depths of Anatolia to wrest control from Cyprus' native Turkish population. A

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 23:50

msg 91,

m......s;



>>>>>"YFred







How many TCs were attacked / killed between July 15th- July 20th ?







The 'peace-movement' was protect TCs, right ?







I'm sure you know thhat the WORST 'GC perpetrated' atrocities ( Tochni) happened after August 14th - the day that TR broke the UN brokered cease-fire.. ?







Let's spare a thought for all those killed because TR hadn't achieved it's territorial aim and the breach of trust nurtured at a time of HUGE mistrust was tossed away - with brutal consequences for too many Cypriots of both ethnicities"<<<<<



I suppose you were going to come and save us "TURKISH CYPRIOTS" from being mass murdered if TURKEY hadnt then!!!!!!!!



Get back to reading your books.

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 23:51

As a result, as many as half of all Turkish-Cypriots have fled their own homeland in search of greater economic and political freedom elsewhere.



In conclusion, it should be emphasized that there were extremists on both sides of the Cyprus conflict, while power-brokering by colonial-minded Britain and interventionist violence by junta-era Greece clearly added fuel to the Cypriot powder keg. But insiders know that it was Turkish designs for partition that ultimately caused the breakdown in government and the terrible tragedy of 1974, the repercussions of which all indigenous Cypriots, both Greek and Turk, are still suffering today.



Cyprus is Berlin all over again, with one difference. Rather than taking the side of civilian-controlled governments, pluralistic societies, and democratic values, our own government has instead decided to ratify invasion, occupation, and transnational aggression in order to sustain an alliance of increasingly questionable value.

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 23:55

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia. "Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created. However, this so-called `first phase' of the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/07/2010 23:55

so tracer,



"As a result, as many as half of all Turkish-Cypriots have fled their own homeland in search of greater economic and political freedom elsewhere. "





In your OPINION,whats the reason for Turkish Cypriots thet had fled their OWN homeland between 1955-1974?????

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 01:22

it may be worth taking a step back from the thread and asking:

but who is actually seeking reunification?



not the turkish side, for their price is unrealistically high,

ie security and independence for the cypriot turkish people



not the greek cypriot entity,

they demand, not unreasonably, but quite unrealistically,

majority rule on cyprus



maybe some of us ex-pats demand solutions, reunifications and agreements

however shoddy however unworkable however condescending



...for reasons that totally escape me



andre

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 07:35

read msg 97 yiorko

tracer


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Posts: 442

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 08:13

msg 102



andre reunification is a must we live in a very small country and it a shame to have it divided

on the other hand you can ask the "north" if they can answer with their hand on their heard if they like to leave in a country with 160000 settlers ,43000 tr soldiers and the one third of the "north" declare as military area.

for sure the most of them (tcs) dont like it and dont want it.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 08:22

tracer/Msg 103:



The fact is, 'tracer', that the GC's said 'Oxi' to the Annan Plan, which was thought out on behalf of and for the benefit of both sides by better brains than either side will ever possess.



That last chance rejection has caused permanent partition, because since then relations between the two sides has only succeeded in becoming increasingly acrimonious, thus rendering any reconciliation objective an aimless exercise in utter futility.

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 19:27

tenakoutou/msg 103

anan was worst than the 1963 constitution that was forced on the Cypriots by the British in a take-it-or-leave-it standoff--with the alternative being partition--was known as "the most rigid, inflexible, and probably the most complicated in the world" .

simbayo


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 19:32

Mate......all that anger???? LOL!!















*******Please adhere to rule 3 , personal remark against fellow member removed ******* Simbas

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 19:43

Msg 107 edited for reason given

Simbas

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 19:49

Tracer, if Annan plan was so bad, how do you explain the EU and Greece backing it? Which world do you live in?

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 22:09

msg 107

where did you saw αnger just placing facts like them or not!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 22:22

msg 104;

>>>"you can ask the "north" if they can answer with their hand on their heard if they like to leave in a country with 160000 settlers ,43000 tr soldiers and the one third of the "north" declare as military area. "<<<



If you mean Turkish Cypriots by "north" then ask me!I am a TC.



On the other hand It is actualy "you lot",the unfortunate ones with bitter sorrows,sour grapes that keep going on about how many so called settlers/TR soldiers .........



Get a life and look into the mirror every now and then.

Do you get my drift now?If not let me know I'll try to put it in more "black-white" for you.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 22:25

***Stop Press*****

Paul the octopus being brought in to decide the dispute....

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 22:48

msg 111

??????????????? oh my god do you have a heart unbelievable and incredible.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 22:57

Hector...msg 112



He predicts a draw....but both sides will claim they were robbed !

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/07/2010 23:06

nmsg 113;

See what I mean!!!!!!!!!!!Thats how much different WE are from each other.



ps.dont expect you to understand above either,last 36 years been talking to brick wall,why should you be any different now.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 00:21

tracer,



your case is a legitimate and arguable one but, at the end of the day,

that is what it is, only one point of view



without being so crass as to assume you have any vested interest,

I should like to remind you of some of your statements which imply specific beliefs:



if we dig in the past we make the same mistakes again msg 86



it is a shame to have it divided msg 104



just placing facts msg 110



anan was worse than the 1963 constition msg 106



half of all tc's fled their homeland in search of greater freedom msg 99





(and the well-known opposing viewpoints)





without a sense of history we repeat our mistakes



it was a shame to have it divided in '74 rather than in '60



selecting your favourite data as *facts" is somewhat one-sided



anan was better than anything likely to be offered greek cyprus ever again



half of tc's fled their homeland for two reasons,

firsly to escape the death squads of eoka "b" but since '74 to escape the illegal blockade

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 02:33

re msg 9Yorgo



"I suppose you were going to come and save us "TURKISH CYPRIOTS" from being mass murdered if TURKEY hadnt then!!!!!!!! "



Was the Q about how many TCs were attacked between 15th July - 20th July too 'awkward' ?



I didn't just read.. I met folk and am friendly with who lived through it ..



Cyprus and it's people were 'used'

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 04:33

msg 117;

m............



Thank you for your concern about Cyprus problem,

however,

"Cyprus and it's people were 'used' "



above does not change nothing about what took place between greeks and us,

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 08:21

msg 117 mmmm

if some people take off their blinkers it will be much better .....

you said that both sides where been used and you are totaly right , from our leaderships and abroad ,as i said before they played the music and we dance most to the tune of UK divide and conquer. .................................

this fact was admided by raouf ntektas .......

In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists (the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus, Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots promptly burned out a neighboring district of Greek shops and homes, in what was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical con

tracer


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Posts: 442

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 08:25

cont msg 119

the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 12:27

Have just waded through all the postings - taken ages - not learnt a lot!! But I did learn there are children begging in the streets of Kyrenia with armed thugs also roaming the streets. (Presumably the heavies looking after the children?) When did this happen, did i miss it??

Have lived here nearly 5 years and have never felt safer.

I agree we would all feel more comfortable if there was a final "settlement" of some sort, but am not holding my breath! We ALL jsut want to live peaceful lives.

Just to add a small example of feelings in the south. I did post this on another thread, I had a chinese friend visit, she was on business in Larnaca. She was wearing sun glasses and of course has dark hair - a party of young men (I wont say thugs) accosted her and told her she was a dirty Turk, then she took off the glasses and they saw she was chinese, and presumably a visitor. Did they say anything - no - just ran! Is this the way to treat visitors in the south?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 12:34

Mamachina



re 121



and as we discussed when you posted this incident with the Chinese National in the 'rump' RoC, previously .



There are a LOT of GCs with dark skin and and hair - and a LOT of oriental folk living in the south - your friend encountered IDIOTS..

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
14/07/2010 15:53

re 121

mamachina

you are wrong you HAVE to say thugs and idiots according to mmmmm.

cause only this kind of people act like this and you can find them all over the world .