Spain won World Cup - Dutch fouled their way through the match

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 00:28

I have alway supported the Dutch team as they are (sorry were) Great players. After their performance tonight I was disgusted at their playing tactics.

6 should have been sent off!

mahdel


Joined: 28/05/2009
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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 00:31

The real losers tonight were the people who had to watch an incredibly boring game. The constant fouls made it an exercise in patience. I thought the Dutch were great throughout the earlier stages, and I have no idea whatsoever why they suddenly felt they couldn't play Spain the same way they played Brazil and resorted to the type of play rarely seen outside of staged professional wrestling matches.

Tootie


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 00:32

Why start another thread when you have one already running Hildy?

alibop


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 01:16

You must have watched a differant game to me then,the blame lies with the english ref who caused all the problems,if he had done wht he should have there would be no problems

newscoop


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 01:19

The only thing the ref did wrong was not red carding Van Bommel and De Jong in the first half.

mahdel


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 01:21

@msg 4

No doubt the English ref made the game more boring than it had to be with his constant foul calls (not just the cards, but the fouls themselves killed teh game more than anything), but anyone who watched the game would be hard pressed to say the Dutch players didn't deserve most, and I do mean most, not all, of their cards. I started out supporting Holland but after 90 minutes of terrible play with an emphasis on rugby tackling I have begun to wonder if Holland's coach didn't give the world's worst pep talk before the game and somehow scare the players into thinking the only way they could win is by cheating. This game was an abberation.

metin


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 01:22

Score please ????

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 01:29

Metin;

1-0 to Spain.

It was a very good game/final,bearing in mind they had to be extra carefull,ref:H.Webb....need I say anymore...one of the best/fair in the world,showed the cards to keep the game in his control,nothing wrong with that.Made one mistake by not seing Holland's freekick taking deflection of Spanish player,should've at least been noticed by fourth official.Over all better team won.



I dont even like football....

Groucho



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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 07:04

I thought the criticism of Howard Webb was a bit disingenuous. The game lacked rhythm because the fouls were committed not because the fouls were spotted by the referee.



Spain were worthy winners if only for not over-reacting to the cynical attempt to bully them out of the game with outrageously bad tactical fouling.



Mr Webb gave the benefit of the doubt to Van Bommel et al and didn't send them off for some of the worst tackling to disgrace the game for quite some time. As it was he ended up sending someone off for a fairly innocuous foul near the end. It was a bookable foul as it was last line of defence and a player heading goal-wards but it was the second yellow for Johnny Heitinga and that's that.



In reality they ought to have been down to 9 men early on - then Spain could have ripped them apart.

johnnybgoode


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 09:53

the better side one, plain and simple.

TopTen


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 11:28

Sorry to disagree with those who say that Webb did a good job, for me he was the worst man on the park,De Jong should have had a straight red for his "tackle" Alonso.And sadly the whole of the Dutch side had a common aim, that was to stop Spain playing football and through the fault of the referee nearly succeeded.

So when Hans declared on here, that the Cloggies were in the final of the world cup, he was nearly right it should have read cloggers

proger1



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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 11:39

who would want to be a referee, if he had booked avery time, there would have been loads of players sent off including spaniards for constant diving allbeit easy to get away with because the Dutch tackling was often harsh. If he doesn't book them people are not happy. It is the players who commit the fouls, not the referee, blame them for being professionals who are taught by experts how to get away with some things and con the referee's on others. Robben managed to strip 2 defenders but was held back and then a clumsy fall to try and block him and nothing was awarded.

Do you blame the referee who couldn't keep up with the pace of Robben or the system where the players know that there are only ever 2 angles they can be seen from and take advantage of it.



Spain where in my opinion the better team but Holland had equal chances and could have walked away with the win. I believe the referee and his assistants did there level best to keep a tacticly very difficult game going.

TopTen


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 11:50

Paul about diving who was worse than Robben, and yes of course you can blame the ref he is the person in charge. And lets be honest he had just about booked all the Dutch team but if he had sent De Jong off, that may have calmed them down,referees must know about certain players reputations, and if he lets them know that he knows, maybe just maybe it would have made them more cautious about going in with their feet chest high

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 11:51

Tottsie

There was no thread after the match when I posted.

is it a problem for you, if so , I am sorry.

proger1



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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 12:03

I am not argueing about the dejong foul, actually I am not argueing full stop, I see absolutely no point in discussing what difference it would make after the fact.

Sorry I tried to defend someone who will always have the most difficult job in football TopTen. I will leave this one alone so you can all give a viewpoint with no resultant change. Sorry again for interfering.



Paul

TopTen


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 12:56

Paul I am sorry to think I infered to you being argumentive,I didn,t and wouldn,t. No we have differing opinions I was completely nuetral and wanted to be entertained, but sadly was not

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 13:47

For me the best team won but put into a broader perspective, I thought that the final was an indicator of what the 'beautiful game' has become - ugly and cynical !



Players who use every trick in the book to con/cheat the referee and then have the temerity to complain bitterly when they feel that they have been 'cheated' if a decision goes against them. These are the role models that our kids are supposed to aspire to !!



Recently I watched a documentary about the history of the World Cup including footage from the 1966 final, what struck me was the sportsmanship shown by both sides after what could be deemed one of the most controversial incidents in football. Hands were shaken and there seemed to be genuine cameraderie between a bunch of players who had taken part in one of the greatest finals in history. I know that the astronimical sums of money involved in football bring additional pressures but I am sorry to say that the game is a pale imitation of what it was.



Paul

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 14:01

Before anybody accuses me of being an old f*rt who is living in the past, I was only 3 years old in 1966 but have been a lover of football all my life.



I just find it very sad that the game has degenerated to a point where cheating is commonplace and is actively encouraged. What is even more worrying is the fact that it is working its' way down to the minor leagues and schoolboy soccer.



It needs to be stamped out and the only way that this can be done is for the perpetrators to be banned for a significant number of games. When clubs start to lose 'star' players for weeks on end, maybe they will start to take note.



Just my opinion of course



Paul

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 15:04

Paul

I agree with your opinion. But sadly it is not just football that is going this way, many of the young people today are finding tha they can get what they want in other ways which are not always legal.

but it can start at a young age in various ways including sport.

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
12/07/2010 15:33

no sign of dutch crowing very quiet isnt he?



The dutch were crap in previous match and worse in final they got what they deserved



thought it was england in orange shirts

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 17:33

It was all just too much for this couple...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4789728827_6bc23e3014_b.jpg

parky


Joined: 13/06/2009
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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 17:52

Correct result, Dutch knew they had to kick the Spanish off the park, or otherwise they would have been murdered, they nearly pulled it off as well, only a few more minutes and it would have gone to penalties.

favour


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 19:32

what a great joy for Africa,the tournament was fantastic and successful,definitely Africa can do more,

cheers .

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 19:52

Favour

I agree, South Africa can be proud of the tournament's success and proves it is ready to take on more events of this kind.