McCain or Obama

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 16:27

Who will be better for World Peace?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 16:42

Good question Bill



I have no idea.



The world is often shaped by unexpected events where leaders can only excert very limited influence.



I would be very surprised if Obama doesn't make it to the White house. He is fresh and more often than note the candidate who can create the most hope for a better future wins. He also looks more virile which seems to sway voters in elections.

Obamas challenge is that he has had to propose leftist views in oder to beat clinton. He now has to find middle ground to win republican votes in the margin. He may be seen as inconsistent in achieving this.



What would favour Mccain is a low probability high impact event which would threaten the security of the US. Another Sep 11th.



Big problem for Mccain is that he follows Bush. This is going to be a hard shakle to get rid of, plus the US have traditionally changed leadership when economic times are hard.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 16:59

what do you reckon Bill?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 17:07

I somehow feel that Obama would make a better President than John McCain. However i am a bit concerned that he has vowed to expand and modernize the military.

Is this the way for Peace in the world?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 17:25

Interesting point Bill



He might be trying to win the Republican vote by promising an expansion of the military. He has to show a certain amount of toughness to this audience.



Until humans reach a point of inner spiritual peace, which means that we exude love rather than fear (probably won't happen in my lifetime) then innovative weaponry together with sophisticated means of trading maybe the only way to maintain peace.



Through the lastest world peace rating index Cyprus is considered relatively peaceful. Turkey has a large army on the island and the South has highly spohisticated weaponry. You have checkmate. Fighting would only incur extremely heavy casualties on both sides.



The US has to maintain a fairly large force to checkmate the Russians and Chinese. Nobody really knows what Russia and China will do. Both countries are not democracies and probably have expansionist aims of their own.



ps

Apparently, a Turkish plane entered ROC airspace at last weekends intervention celebrations. An ROC missile locked on to the plane but didn't fire. Supposedly, on a Nicosia radio station many GC's insisted that the army should have shot down the plane. This was expressd on another forum and I have no way of verifying the truth on this matter.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 17:36

ps if you know you are going to definately be in a war then Mccain is going to be the man. He has done it, been there and got the T -shirt

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 17:46

pps if the Nicosia radio comments are indeed true and not fabrication, then this would demonstrate a deep hostility that GC' have towards the Turks (not TC's). It would seem impossible that GC's could mix peacefully with Turkish settlers.



Apologies but I have completely changed the theme of the thread

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 18:40

Yes and I'm not going there!



I agree about McCain though.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 21:27

ILC



I dont think you have changed the theme of the thread.



If you definitely WANT to be in a war McCain is your man.



No-one in the US, EU, Greece or Turkey WANTS Cyprus to be in an internal war.



There are larger fish to fry!



Obama seems to be, despite media comment, more prepared to wave the big stick, but carry on with negotiations.



I think the US, UK, EU, especially their voters, have had enough of our kids coming home in body bags. They want to vote for leaders who will find resolutions without resort to military action.



Personally I think the GC and TC leaders will have to fall into step with international policy and any potential for regional referenda will be diluted as per the EU referenda.



Local posturing is becoming a thing of the past.



p.s. I believe that US military aircraft have been seen on NC airfields, would the GC's even contemplate airborne action against NC?



Not in a million years! It's all posturing.





So,... for me, it's Obama.

kavenkoy


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 21:30

its mcain for me cos his chips are the best ,lol



kav



think all politicians are the same

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 21:34

No1 Doyen,



Obama is due a meeting with Gordon Brown to discuss world politics.



Brewn has already had the meeting with Macain.



I will go with the one Gordon Brewn is against!



wyn

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 21:37

ilc,



Didnt Macain spend his time as a prisoner of war, in The Hanoi Hilton, fed with a diet of prostitutes? All courtesy of daddy?



Just what I read!



wyn

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 23:39

Neither can make a difference for the planet they are from the USA!!!!!!!!!



The only country that starts the year off with where should we bomb so we can add it to the Geography curriculum.



Just a thought on the election process, how many hundred million will be spent before one of them is finally in the White House. This process is obscene



And they all go on about world poverty etc. Merchant Bankers all of them.



Only ever met one good guy from the USA and he had spent a lot of time in Germany in forces. He even had a VW Golf cos he prefered manual to auto gearbox.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 23:53

Wyn



I think he was force fed on effes, not sure about the hookers



I heard he was imprisoned under quite austere conditions

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 23:58

CIS



The US is a strange country. It seems to be the home for alot of stupidity but also I think that some of the best thinkers on the planet are American. In my field they are simply light years ahead of everyone else.



Please note, When I praise the yanks, I am not talking about US politicians or the US political system

fire starter


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Message Posted:
26/07/2008 15:26

whats your field ilovecyprus? burger chef at mcdonalds. i lived in an area with lots of americans, the white americans are big heads but the black americans are nice people in general. my vote is with obama.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
26/07/2008 15:36

How did you guess so right fire starter. Thats impressive