Are you all daft 2

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 13:11

OK, so you will not heed any warnings about ownership issues and prefer political debate and trusting TRNC politicians for a solution.



Assuming that your ownership is safe have you seen the following:-



http://www.trncpropertywarning.freewebsites.com/index.php?p=1_16_Home



I guess I will be accused of being a GC sympathiser etc etc but, as per my name, I am making buyers aware of possible pitfalls.

Why? You may ask....it is not my money.....but I am concerned about the number of Brits sinking a pile of life savings into a huge risk.



Before, I asked why TCs are selling and not buying.

May I pose another question... if N Cyprus is such a good value hot spot why are none of the big UK property companies/estate agents active?

No fear...Unwins will take care of you.

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 13:25

you are so so missinformed.



Savills, one of the biggest and most respected names in international Agency are now active in North Cyprus so are Churchill Investment Overseas, a very big player. there are more but that will do for now.



part of the reason the big boys have taken their time coming is because of the pressure put on them by the Greek Cypriots. Mcdonalds for example were warned that if they open here they will be forced to close on the south. they tried it with Mercedes but Mercedes informed them that they sell more Mercs in the north than the south and if that is the option they will close the southern dealers.... the greeks backed off

this is why the big agents have taken their time coming as they have been told they will not be able to sell in the south though some now realise that the north is the better option... its a dirty game they play over there!



London Cypriots are coming back and have been since the referendum.



YOU ARE A GREEK .... GO AWAY.

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 13:54

Donty, you know a lot about N Cyprus life (Turk lesiorsun?) but you did not care to comment on the property warning website....unscrupulous builders, estate agents and solicitiors robbing naive Brits.



Will you trot out the old one about more crooks in the UK or possibly consider the proportionally high level of discontent among overseas buyers in TRNC.



I AM NOT GREEK BUT YOU MAY BE A GIRNE ESTATE AGENT DEFENDING YOUR CASH COW.

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 14:09

By the way Donty, why are you the arbiter of who can post on this forum? Surely all views are welcome even if you do not agree.



You should actively encourage GCs to join so that members can see both sides of the arguement.



When making a huge purchase such as property potential buyers should be aware of all information.

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 14:24

i do not work for an estate agent.



the majority of these people were robbed by one company Aga developments, this website insinuates that everyone is a thief in North Cyprus (are your family thieves?)

it reminds me of what i was told about Turks by Greek Cypriots i know in the UK before i came here that they are all murdering barbarians who would kill me on the street for my wrist watch!



Aga developments was owned by a Brit! so perhaps the best message for this website is dont buy from british people in North Cyprus cos they are all thieves!



you seem to have a real interest in harming the economy of North Cyprus. i dont think your relatives (if they arent Greek) would be too happy with you. perhaps you should holiday in Paphos this year!

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 14:43

Donty, thanks for your reply.... reasoned and balanced.



I can assure you that I do not want to harm the economy of TRNC (I have always loved the country) and my family are patriotic TCs but you miss the point.



If my views on crooked builders (Brit or TC), land ownership issues etc can harm the economy then something is fundamentally wrong. Land ownership is basic to any economy and TRNC needs to clean up the market and make things transparent. Gary Robb got away with daylight robbery under the noses of the TRNC authorities. Any ideas how???



If TRNC government wants to protect this sector of the economy they should not feel threatened by my views or free speech on the warning website. They should be applying the Rule of Law to provide a transparent market place with appropriate punishment for crooks.



I am not acting as an agent provocateur but would like to see TRNC government have some backbone. My feeling is that many TCs would agree but who really governs TRNC?

Enough rhetoric.... I must keep my views to myself.

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 15:26

HBPG are coming at it from the correct angl. trying to change laws for the protection of buyers.



this warning website is a kneejerk reaction to being ripped off. their answer at the beginning was to state that almost everyone here is a thief. they have recently amended this but i still believe they would be better off under the HBPG banner or attach themselves to the Aga buyers action group.



this doesnt change the fact that you have decided to print very negative comments about N.Cyprus most of which i and others have blown out of the water (see you above comments about TCs not buying and big boys not coming and your previous thread).

take your first paragraph as an example

'OK, so you will not heed any warnings about ownership issues and prefer political debate and trusting TRNC politicians for a solution'

if you dont have an agenda i dont know who does!



you portray yourself as being knowledgeable on the market here but you know very little and your research sucks.... thats why i dislike your posts.



learn about the subject before sounding like an authority.

sjw1979


Joined: 09/04/2007
Posts: 162

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 15:39

Donty, we have the flags out for you, go ahead you !!

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 15:47

Yes, Donty is the self appointed defender of all things (Turkish) Cypriot with a vast array of facts and rose tinted specs to blind him from anything underhand happening in TRNC. This seems to be a common factor among Brits who 'discover' the island in recent times. I wonder how long it will be before reality and disillusionment set in.



Donty has taken it upon himself to gun down all of my views but many people read this forum and they can decide for themselves.



Enough from me - this is not a discussion forum but a flag waving forum for TRNC.

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 17:00

nothing rose tinted.



there are pros and cons about living anywhere.



i am only countering your incorrect cons.



if you look at my other posts most of them are helping people find places, people etc and i avoid the political but when i read blatant incorrect info i have to jump up and shout. go on look through my post and you will see i come on here to help people.



you say that i am one of the 'Brits who 'discover' the island in recent times'..... i obviously know a lot more about this place than you do!

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 17:04

Hi namus



Thanks for tryiing to protect your fellow Brits



From my knowledge Savills have moved in to Northern Cyprus but are only dealing in pre 74 Turkish titles. Not sure about Chuchills.



I saw on another forum that a British guy had ripped off a whole load of British property investors in the ROC and is now in hiding in eastern europe. I tried to find the thread for you but I couldn't locate it again. It was reprted in the daily Mail in the UK. I know this has only come to the fore over the last two weeks.



Incidently, the GC's have extended legal rights (in their wills) to the offspring of those GC's living in the property of a TC in the south. I guess they have to be practical, perhaps a solution won't be found.



Also 12 GC's are suing the GC government, because as displaced people they have not been able to share the prosperity, that those GC's who were not displaced have enjoyed. They are using the same ruling that was declared for German people after the second world war. The GC's really do love to go through the courts.



You are very right namus, the laws do have to be tightened up in the TRNC. The home buyers pressure group have done some great work in this area. Have a read http://www.hbpg-trnc.net when you get the chance and let me knw what you think ?

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 19:12

Donty, you do know a lot about Cyprus and you seem well intentioned. You may not fully understand TC mentality which is quite different to Brit...if you are Brit that is. After nearly 30 years married to a TC and close to her family I am not sure if I fully understand.

Many years ago I, to the dismay of my wife who truly understands TC mentality, was gung ho on all things TC but over the years I have learnt not to trust anybody in TRNC. That may sound a bit jaded and negative but bear it in mind over the coming years and your increasing experience in Cyprus.



ilovecyprus, the hbpg site seems good but looks amateurish. I think they need to broadcast better and make the TRNC govt take notice. I'm not sure how the TRNC authorities will take to too much negative press as they have managed to supress independent newspapers in the past.



Interesting that Savilles, Savyon (correct me if I am wrong Donty) only deal in pre-74 title. As a leading (if not the leading) lawyer in TRNC said to me, 'Why buy a headache'. He was referring to Brits buying disputed title.



Anyhow, enough from me. I really do not want a verbal roughhouse or to try and score points but all purchasers in TRNC should keep a very open mind.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 20:34

Wuld love to know the name of that lawyer namus?

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 21:34

Cannot disclose, family friend but there is none better and he does not do property conveyancing.



TCs all know the realities of the property situation in TRNC but they are pleased of the support from buyers although they know the main reason people buy....it is comparatively cheap.



Cyprus is a great island (north and south) and in the south there are many villas (not just off plan dreams) for sale. RoC is part of the EU with EU law, direct flights, good infrastructure, etc

So why do people buy in the north? Less spoilt - there are underdeveloped areas in the south, more hospitable - Cypriots are generally hospitable...so why? Because it is cheap! TCs know they cannot sell disputed land at comparable prices to the south or they would. The land cost them little so they pitch the price where buyers let their head rule their heart and become very protective of their risk. TCs are very smart traders.

TCs sell the dream, pocket the cash and leave the buyers to fight the legal battles and live with the uncertainty. This is generally known by TCs but when pointed out to buyers, instead of assessing the risk, they become very defensive.



Let's hope it all works out but, 'Why buy a headache?'

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
03/07/2007 23:57

Namus, you are obviously a very devious gc sympathiser bent on agitating the issue otherwise you would n't have posted another identical thread, butt out, get off your band box and stop trying to generate confusion and uncertainty in peoples minds. You and some GC,s need to understand you cannot stop the momemtum.

Millions of pounds in investment is pouring into theTRNC from informed shrewd investors and institutions who are happy to buy eseger and tmd land.

I 'm sure they consider the politcal situation and any potential consequence and the evidence shows they obviously conclude their making a safe investment.

This view concurs with many of my friends and neighbours who have invested much smaller amounts 150k ish in TRNC property.

Much of our UK working life has been in legal and financial services backgrounds. The decision to buy was therefore also considered with plenty of input from knowledgable associates, many of whom have also subsequently invested also. None of us consider we have bought a 'headache'. In fact we watch whats happening with the big investors which supports our confidence

that weve also made a shrewd investment which we can enjoy in a beautiful country and climate.



Give up we know your game!

p

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
04/07/2007 10:11

this country is far from perfect and some of the worst culprits according to this weeks paper are the lawyers but you wouldnt know that would you? leading lawyer my elbow... whats his name so we can verify that? doesnt do conveyancing.. so what does he know about the market?



hbpg have been hastling the govmnt to death but you wouldnt know that either! surely youve read about the new estate agents law that they are behind? though they really need to go higher up the ladder and sort out shoddy builders and govmnt depts that keep moving the goal posts.



savills have bravely stepped into the market (i say bravely because of the flack they must get from the GCs) only on Turk land for now but it is just the start. savyon are a completely independant israeli backed company who build on all sorts of land.. but you didnt know that did you?



dont preach to me about understanding the locals. i havent lived in my own country for 17 years and i dont see myself as an expert on my homeland any more as even though my family and friends are there i am not and you shouldnt either as your knowledge is old and crusty.



you say that the south is more hospitable? you definately dont know what is going on here. there has been an exodus from places like paphos. if you read the cyprus mail etc you will read many letters from disheartened brits who have had enough of being ripped off by GCs.



i live here, work here (for a number of years) i read, listen, learn and am connected to the industry we are discussing and have bought and sold a number of investment properties and have made good money doing so. i also continue to do so. what is your expertise other than knowing your expat family? how come you are an expert on property? where does your knowledge come from and i dont want to hear 'because im married to a Uk cypriot' as it amounts to NOTHING.



why buy a headache you say? because there is a great profit in buying and selling offplan properties here if you buy the right thing though people like you and the GCs are trying your hardest for this not to be true.



i dont understand why you spend so much time trying to rubbish TRNC and TCs if you dont have a vested interest in doing so?

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
04/07/2007 11:11

iyi sanslar arkadasim

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
04/07/2007 11:38

Email below received this morning from NAEA - RE unwins







David Oliver to me



show details 8:59 am (12 minutes ago)







Dear Ms Sloss















No the agents are not within membership of the NAEA, we are aware of their continued unauthorized use of the NAEA logo and are trying all possible steps to get them to remove the NAEA logo and claims of membership.















David Oliver



Compliance Officer

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
04/07/2007 12:29

I think the Unwins logo stands for Never Accept Easy Advice

desert rose


Joined: 18/06/2007
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
04/07/2007 13:41

My definition of NAMUS!



Naughty-Arrogant-Misguided-Unwelcome-So and so!



;-) I could have chosen a better S word but im a lady!



x x

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
04/07/2007 14:12

Very good Desert Rose - I like a sense of humour.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
04/07/2007 18:43

Please lets not turn this forum into another one of those Greek verses Turkey forum's where everyone appears rude, racist and spends the whole day throwing insults at each other. I for one have enjoyed the discussion between Namus and Donty and both parties have made constructive criticism and raised valuable points. Sometimes its good to hear other peoples views even if we don't necessarily agree with them. Namus I think people who buy TRNC property are divided into 2 groups:

Those who have really researched the subject and having weighed up all the odds still think that despite the risks they are willing to face possible future compensation claims and the headaches that might accompany such action. People have even put compensation away should this be the outcome. Then there are those (see wearytravellers posts) who simply dismiss anything re title deeds and are absolutely 100% sure that the island will not unite and that if Turkey joins EU it will pay all compensation claims. They therefore feel safe.and dismiss the issue.The longer the stalemate continues the more likely we are to see people falling into the latter camp.Would have been good if you were a GC as it would be really interesting to debate this topic constructively, as its a subject that does not get addressed adequately on the many other forums because of the anger,accusations and hatred between the 2 communities.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
04/07/2007 20:33

Bradus I agree entirely with your sentiments, pity namus isn't so commendable,

anyone who names a thread TWICE, "ARE YOU ALL DAFT" is obviously seeking confrontation!

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
05/07/2007 00:48

Pilgrim, apologies for the title.



Bradus, wise words.....I am happy to keep the debate open but I agree that buyers have made their risk assessment before proceeding so my warnings are not helpful and may not materialise.



I guess I am a bit jaded after viewing the development of TRNC over such a long time and feel that property, infrastructure, planning consent etc could have been better handled but I guess it all comes down to money.



I am not a GC but I think it would be helpful to get GC views on this forum to show both sides.

If nothing else, my views certainly livened things up.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
05/07/2007 01:15

Thanks for replying Namus. I am sure alot of people will now go away and search the whole subject more deeply - and thats a good thing. Undoubtedly the price of property is what sells and deep down most people know that "if its too good to be true it probably is" There are many problems associated with buying in the TRNC but people are really beginning to rock the boat both in England and North Cyprus. As a result I do think it will become safer in the long term. I look forward to spending my retirement in Ozankoy so am just hoping that my sale goes through smoothly. As for the future no one knows what will happen but partition does appear likely. We can only wait and see.

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
05/07/2007 01:50

Hi all,



YOU SHOULD HAVE NAMED IT THE " DONTY AND NAMUS SLANGING MATCH"!!!



See ya D

hindsight


Joined: 02/07/2007
Posts: 20

Message Posted:
05/07/2007 02:22

quote Turkish Cypriot Judge



'MARK UNWIN IS ECONOMICAL WITH THE ACTUALITIES'

wearytravellers



Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
05/07/2007 05:30

Hello ALL ME again !!!



I have read this thread with great interest, it has been both entertaining and informative. My wife and I have deliberately dismissed the issue of land title, as we are not really interested in future claims for compensation. We have left all of that in the very capable hands of our Lawyer, in addition we were well aware initially of the gamble we were taking with regards to buying property and at the end of the day, if it all goes wrong, our financial exposure is small enough to walk away from. However, I do not think it would come to that....but who knows ?? Bottom line is......North Cyprus is a fantastic place, fantastic people, fantastic climate, fantastic food and Good luck to one an all whatever your colour race or creed.......life is for living !!! you are a long time dead.

desert rose


Joined: 18/06/2007
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
05/07/2007 07:01

Namus,



Had to throw a little light into the conversation!



x

Garythegeezer


Joined: 05/02/2007
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
05/07/2007 10:29

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breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
05/07/2007 16:33

Namus

Investments are either cautious,balanced or aggresive. TRNC property is an aggresive investment.

When I want investment advice I go to my investment advisor, not he local primary school teacher..

Please stop preaching to everyone as if they were small children because each time you do you make yourself seem more like a GC than the last time.

We are all big boys now.

I neither know nor care wether you are GC or not - but garythegeezer is quite correct, you have reached terminal velocity in the boting stakes. Give it up. now.

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
06/07/2007 01:01

tabii, allaha ismarladik benim arkadasim. iyi sanslar

davidoff


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Posts: 438

Message Posted:
06/07/2007 01:16

Sounds like turk language to me!!!!

tonyhickey



Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
06/07/2007 01:49

u pay yourmoney and take your chance.and as far as i can see the odds look good

tony

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
06/07/2007 02:59

Any TC able to translate Namus's message as I am a very nosey person.

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
06/07/2007 10:49

My message is not quite correct as I do not have keyboard characters such as soft g and i without dot but roughly; OK, good bye my friend and good luck.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
06/07/2007 10:57

tabii - of course

allaha ismarladik - Goodbye

benim arkadasim - My friend/s

iyi sanslar - not sure about this but I think it means something like 'good luck'

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
06/07/2007 11:25

cok guzel Ilovecyprus, mukemmel cok iyi



Ben yok Rumca