36 years since Turkish Occupation

Geoff


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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 07:21

I think I am right in saying that today is the 36th anniversary of the Turkish occupation of N.Cyprus in

order to restore the human rights of Turkish Cypriots.

We should remember,

Geoff

Famagusta City

Troodo


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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 07:48

I think Greeks invaded 15th, Turks saved the GC's on the 20th.

Deniz1


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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 08:31

20 th is peace and freedom day

tracer


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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 08:35

15th of july 1974 troodo the preparations for the devision of cyprus start to materialize.

cooper


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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 08:44

On July 15, 1974, the Greek military junta of 1967-1974 backed a Greek Cypriot military coup d'état in Cyprus. President Makarios was removed from office and Nikos Sampson took his place. Turkey claimed that, under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee, the coup was sufficient reason for military action to protect the Turkish Cypriot populace, and thus Turkey invaded Cyprus on July 20, 1974. Following Turkey's military intervention, the coup failed and Makarios returned to Cyprus. Turkish forces proceeded to take over the northern third of the island (about 37% of Cyprus's total area), causing large numbers of Greek Cypriots to abandon their homes. Approximately 160,000 Greek Cypriots fled to the south of the island, while 50,000 Turkish Cypriots fled north. Approximately 1,500 Greek Cypriots and 500 Turkish Cypriots remain missing.[16]

Panchocat


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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 10:29

Cooper I think it is more truthful to say that Turkey INTERVENED to stop further inter-communal bloodshed, the word you used ie: invaded, is provocative and panders to GC propaganda.

silcuty21


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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 11:56

call it occupation, call it invasion , call it peace intervention, call it american soviet games,



CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT





Whats more important



1- No Greek or Turk has been murdered because of their ethnic backround

2- Cyprus has not become palastine or Bosnia

3- greeks and turks can live as a greek or turk without fear

4- Children grow up without racsicm



i call it a "great solution" with a few snags



sylv

Lambousa Gordon


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Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
15/07/2010 12:10

Aside from guaranteeing the independence of the Rump ROC from Greece, another benefit of Turkey's intervention was that the Colonels' Junta in Athens (who in 1967 had deposed the democratically elected Government of Greece) were ousted for their part in the failed effort illegally to unite Cyprus with Greece; thereby returning Greece to democracy.



Thank you Turkey!

newlad



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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 12:12

20th of July Geoff,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 12:15

Its worth noting also that the "intervention" had the backing of America and Nato.Where the bloody hell are they now,

Paul.

silcuty21


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Posts: 208

Message Posted:
15/07/2010 14:03

message 5



yes we have heard the story before yes it was all planned yes it was a stich up



whatever it may be but surley its about the future now

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
15/07/2010 14:24

Thanks Paul, and others for updates. The reason for my posting was that this morning (15th) at 0815 am

I heard air raid sirens being sounded off over the border in the Greek Cypriot sector. A Turkish Cypriot neighbour told me they do that to mark the anniversary of theTurkish occupation.

Geoff

Famagusta City

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/07/2010 22:18

OMG.. there are some HIGHLY inaccurate and misleading posts here..



1/>> Its worth noting also that the "intervention" had the backing of America and Nato.<<



Really, I hardly think Greece agreed and certainly Mr Callaghan didn't he sent the navy to stop TR's invasion fleet - and America ( just like Suez - for IT's own interests ) told Britain to back down



2/ >> i call it a "great solution" with a few snags <<



Yeah right - more folk killed / missing in a month and half then the troubles in N.I over nearly 30 years... innocent folk ethnically cleansed... HELP...



3/ >>No Greek or Turk has been murdered because of their ethnic backround <<



Riots at Dhrenyia ?



http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.turkish/browse_thread/thread/b7eafec7f3552bf5



(cont)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 22:24

4/ >> I think it is more truthful to say that Turkey INTERVENED to stop further inter-communal bloodshed, the word you used ie: invaded, is provocative and panders to GC propaganda.<<



??



The United Nations Security Council challenged the legality of Turkey's action, because Article Four of the Treaty of Guarantee gives the right to guarantors to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs ..



Sorry, I know I'm not 'popular' when I bring these things up, but some realistic balance is lacking here..



Essentially, the US was 'happy' to let TR re-establish the state of affairs - as dictated by the constitution.. and 'perhaps' the National Security Council - under Kissinger - wasn't too sad to ( hopefully) see the end of a 'commie in a Cassock ' [ Makarios ] and ensure the bases on the island wouldn't be lost to a leader wishing to be 'non-aligned' ....

silcuty21


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Message Posted:
15/07/2010 23:04

mmmmmm



absolutley it was a great solution with a few snags



if this never happened you would never have been on this board thats one of the snags



compare with palastine how many people died and how many are dying everyday

the final solution was zero turks



Derhunya i belive was due to a flag being taken down but generally its been very peaceful since 1974

lets face it kids in the uk are killed for bumping into one another here in the uk



the other issue you bring up "whatever" heard all the stories and scenerios but thats for the guys in grey suites to decide who are privy to what the reasons are



what i am saying is its all about the future i noted how you skipped the turk and greeks have freedom of

religion and free of terroist attack because of their ethnic backround and the kids who can learn in their own mother tounge





anyway its about the future stop harping on about the past just learn from it



sylv

HildySmith


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Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 04:57

NEVER FORGET THE PAST if you wish to build a SECURE FUTURE

Even the court of Athens ruled that the Turkish intervention in Cyprus was legitimate.

GREEK GOVERNMENT, The Court of Cassation in Athens:

"Turkey's intervention in Cyprus as a Guarantor Power within the framework of the Zurich and London Agreements is legal. Actually the Greek officers against whom the court cases have been brought, are responsible for the intervention.

Turkey was among the Guarantors of the Republic of Cyprus. General Ioannides and his 102 colleagues endangered the integrity of the Republic of Cyprus and created the climate for the intervention....."



JUDGEMENT NO 2658/79 OF 21 March 1979

tracer


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Message Posted:
16/07/2010 07:49

QUOTE MSG17

Even the court of Athens ruled that the Turkish intervention in Cyprus was legitimate

iF I agree with that , does this justify that they are still here after 36 years, if the goal was to reestablish the democracy to its previous state and withdraw ? why they are still here? thats why they are conquerors.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 08:23

I am really pleased I started this thread as I have learnt a lot from all the postings, many thanks to

all who have participated/or will participate.

Cheers,

Geoff

Famagusta City.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 08:37

MM says - Essentially, the US was 'happy' to let TR re-establish the state of affairs - as dictated by the constitution.



Tracer says - does this justify that they are still here after 36 years, if the goal was to reestablish the democracy to its previous state and withdraw ? why they are still here?





None of these things has not happend yet, or have I missed something. Once the constitution is put right the Roc will become legal again.



Patientia est a donum superum

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 08:46

Tracer

' iF I agree with that , does this justify that they are still here after 36 years, if the goal was to reestablish the democracy to its previous state and withdraw ? why they are still here? thats why they are conquerors.'



It takes two to tango and unfortunately GC's and CT's do not dance the same dance hence why the Turkish Army is still in place. Even you must understand that.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/07/2010 10:39

silcuty21

re msg 15



It is ironic that you ask me to concentrate on the future, and yet wish us to believe the 'end justified the means'



How convenient to concentrate on the future when so many lost their lives, or suffered injuries.



You speak of Religious freedoms - yet as recently as the ECHR ruling of 2001 did the Karpas(a) GCs have that ?!



>>the final solution was zero turks << ..as opposed to 'zero GCs' ? I'm surprised you can't see the irony !



Sadly, it appears that you think the current status quo IS the soln.



Sometimes there are folk with whom meaningful dialogue isn't possible. :(



When I hear 'whatever' I realise the poster isn't going to be reasonable, has no reasonable response or is just ignorant...



Sorry, but if you make a point - be prepared to debate it's validity / relevance.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/07/2010 10:44

re 17



The Greek court ruling re legitimacy of TR's intervention



I think you'd find the US felt the same..



BUT



Turkey DIDN'T re-establish the state of affairs .. hence it lost it's 'right'..



This isn't an opinion of mine - it is part of the reason why the UN and ECHR have ruled as they have...

Jovial_John


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Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 11:08

A factor which is forgotten is that during EOKA's original campaign (pre 1960 independence) they killed more Greek Cypriots than they killed British and Turkish put together. When the revolution started on 15th July 1974, there were 5 days of killing in which the TCs had little or no involvement and EOKA B continued the practices of EOKA - after all the uprising was Greek & GC versus GC. Yet it seems that all missing Greek and GCs are blamed upon the Tuirkish army who didn't come for a further 5 days. Also Turkey's invasion halted pretty quickly during the 30 days of the Vienna peace talks and the majority of their conquest only occurred after these talks broke down.

The fragility of the new Greek civilian government is the reason why the world, previously inclined to support Turkey, turned against her - because the resumption of hostilities threatened to bring it down and result in another military junta.

Rocker



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Message Posted:
16/07/2010 11:10

Do not forget next Tuesday is the the Parade and most Government Offices Banks etc are closed

Rocker

silcuty21


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Posts: 208

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 11:35

mmmmm



you have lost the ploy what are you going on about



all i said was that since 1974 its been stable in the sense of violence against greeks and turks apart from

one inccident which was fueld by extreamist that even happend in london to protest against the banks



all im saying its far more peaceful i not intrested in the crap you mention im a firm beleiver the men in grey suites who ever they be have the plan worked out i have no knowledge to argue with you



sylv

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 12:21

A factor which is forgotten is that during EOKA's original campaign (pre 1960 independence) they killed more Greek Cypriots than they killed British and Turkish put together. When the revolution started on 15th July 1974, there were 5 days of killing in which the TCs had little or no involvement and EOKA B continued the practices of EOKA - after all the uprising was Greek & GC versus GC. Yet it seems that all missing Greek and GCs are blamed upon the Tuirkish army who didn't come for a further 5 days. Also Turkey's invasion halted pretty quickly during the 30 days of the Vienna peace talks and the majority of their conquest only occurred after these talks broke down.





John, I have tried to make this point many times, but only hit a brick wall of ignorance.



Patientia est a donum superum

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/07/2010 15:00

re 26



what you said [ in reality] was Mr Denktash achieved his aim of Taksim ( Division as a goal ) .. via ethnic cleansing .. He wanted this situation to be permanent .. as ( apparently ) do you... He thinks it IS the solution.



It may not have escaped your attention that the 'status quo' was achieved at a cost you wish us to 'conveniently forget' ..



The situation in Cyprus has stalled TR's accession to the EU and given folks in Western Europe an excuse to halt TR's progress.



This current 'status quo' is going to change..

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 15:16

if the goal was to reestablish the democracy to its previous state and withdraw ? why they are still here?



Have they re-establish the democracy, have they re-established the constitution? I thought not, that's why Turkey is still legally here.



Patientia est a donum superum

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 15:20

re msg 28;

>>>>>"Mr Denktash achieved his aim of Taksim ( Division as a goal ) .. via ethnic cleansing .. He wanted this situation to be permanent .. as ( apparently ) do you... He thinks it IS the solution. "<<<<<



Desperate situations forces US to do things even if WE do not want to.In "US" Turkish Cypriots case,TAKSIM was the only other obtion rather then becoming EXTINCT.



>>>"'status quo' was achieved at a cost you wish us to 'conveniently forget' .. "<<<



Would you kindly explain what /who you mean by "us"?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 15:23

re msg 26;



>>>"This current 'status quo' is going to change.. "<<<



US Turkish Cypriots have known that for the past 36 years,as for Greek Cypriots,well,what they want is rather obvious,for OUTSIDERS........I am speachless!

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 15:30

PERMENANT PARTITION is the way ahead.



for everything else,there is master card.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/07/2010 16:21

Yorgo



re msg 28



IF you read msg 26 you know us IS non Cypriots - 'outsiders' ... Do you feel like one, yet ;) ? :P



'I'd say 'you' ( where do you live ?) were more likely to be 'extinct' at the hands of 'imports' from Antalyia ;)



Living - as you do - in the UK you'll know that the govt WANTS TR in the EU, wants TCs to be able to trade freely, but insists that TR must comply with agreements already signed..



So, we can expect RoC ships in TR ports and TC direct trade real soon, now...



I accept M/card or Visa for such advice !! :D

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 16:44

msg 32

you must feel good with all this irony and sarcasm. but yiorgo if let cyprus to reunite will never ask for a bird cage from this forum you would be able to buy them by the dozen .

by the way congratulations for your new family member.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 17:01

Did any TC's die after 1967?

newlad



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Message Posted:
16/07/2010 18:38

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus-problem/dark-day-remembered/20100716





For you Geoff.Ties in with mess 1.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 18:59

msg 34;

"if let cyprus to reunite "





We've never been UNITED in the first place,so there is NO need for reuniting.



As for my new family member!How do you know that I cant buy them by the dozen already?I just dont like the Chinese s**t.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 19:06

m...............



"IF you read msg 26 you know us IS non Cypriots - 'outsiders' ... Do you feel like one, yet ;) ? :P"



I'll always be Cypriot.........how about you???



"'I'd say 'you' ( where do you live ?) were more likely to be 'extinct' at the hands of 'imports' from Antalyia ;) "



"Antalya" is part of Turkey that is occupied by TURKISH,I repeat TURKISH.Since they are NOT Greeks US Turkish Cypriots will never be an outsider.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 19:13

cont;

"So, we can expect RoC ships in TR ports and TC direct trade real soon, now... "



That means "jack s**t" regarding "us" Cypriots living together again.



"I accept M/card or Visa for such advice !! :D"



I do NOT consider an outsiders comments as "advice",TA.



I cant translate the next:

"tereciye tere satamassin"

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 20:12

msg39



That means "jack s**t" regarding "us" Cypriots living together again.



So yiorko your opinion is that we cannot leave together my opinion is defferent probably is the blood my type is O+ and yours taksim.



I just dont like the Chinese s**t.

who was talking about chinese im not that cheap.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/07/2010 21:35

tracer;

"who was talking about chinese im not that cheap"



Perhaps you misunderstood me.

I was talking about the bird cage that I bought being a Chinese s**t.