Crying 2 faced people

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 07:33

very noticable on these boards now how many people are so 2 faced, they call our builds rubbish they call down our country, our workers, our ways, have no undirstanding, tell others not to pay for things, expect english standards for everie thing but pay cheap cyprus price to buy them, then advertise their apartments for lets as LUXURY APARTMENTS, well this man will watch interested if they pay their taxes to the goverment for their luxury apartments !!!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 08:07

I will answer your post in general terms based on what I have observed happening all too frequently to purchasers here...



Some (not all) buyers biggest gripe is not what they pay or the taxes but the Specific Performance law as it currently stands.



As the law renders all contracts both pointless and without merit... i.e. One of the cornerstones of contract law in all other countries is that is is entered into freely by both sides with the understanding that both parties will perform as per the contract.



If, on discovering that your builder never had any intention of holding to their side of the bargain, you can't use the law to enforce contract what purpose does it serve other than to bamboozle the purchaser?



Now if you want to point the finger and call some people two faced how about the builder signing a contract containing all sort of conditions they have absolutely no intention of adhering to? Also in intending to make all sorts of supplementary demands for additional payments for things are are either specified as being within the purchase price or implied?



The same goes for the permission to purchase process which also serves to undermine the construction and property sales business here.....



Your having posted this thread is not going to help your cause either, it draws attention to the problems of property purchase in the TRNC

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 08:22

For my two penath,



I have had occasion to look at many hundredsof complaints from people that have bought here.



Not 1 person wants any thing other than what is in their contract



( in most cases drawn up by the builder or the lawyer the buyer was sent to by the estate agent )



When you see and talk to people they love the t/c people the beurocrocy is a bit tedious but if Builders / developers stuck to the contract 99.99 % of people here would be very very happy and the place would be buzzing.



Yes you will always have moaners , yes you will always have people trying to take advantage but the overall feeling would be a very very happy enviroment wich in its self would make some of the other " problems " seem so small they do not matter.



When you have a big problem ( with no end in sight) then all the small one that come along do snowball and they can and do get people down resulting n negativity.



Some people that have biught " LUXURY APARTMENTS " did so on the sales pitch of estate agents that were promising £ xxxx per month rental income 50 weeks of the year with no mention of any taxes due.





Ismail I think that most people here do not knock the country but are FRUSTRATED with some aspects of how it is run.



Perhaps an invite to meet for coffee would help and you can explain how to get things done and how we as Visitors to this " corner of paradise " can make things easier all round.

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 08:29

ok so go home an dont buy then if it make you happier, nobody made you buy with a gun at u head,

but you all seen the easy way to make money from cheap property here and dived in, expecting it to have the same level of system as in you country but it is not so, the law here is loosly based on english law of forty years ago, an it was not so good then either i still say if u dont like it our ways dont be 2 faced people come onthe boards call us for everything says our villas aparments are no good then advertise them for let as luxury places check it youself, check it you self on this board in last 3 days somebody done it, this is 2 faced and you hav not answered the post, most people buy thru estate agent and they will do anything to sell propertys and most of the time the builders dont know what has been said to buyers and when the contract is set up they are all there together, and before you go on about bent lawyers working for builders and purchaser at same time, ask you self if you would go to the same lawyer in england as the builders one, you do it here all the time, gullible silly or whot (sorry left me brains at luton airport guv) then you moan moan and it is you own doing, the property issue in TRNC has been a big debate for long time now so this thead will make no difference but it might make people pay their taxes because they are being watched

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 08:30

Ishmail,



I am sorry you have felt the need to make your point here.



I for one feel sorry that 99% of North Cypriots who are not involved with the bad things are tarred with the same brush.



Groucho has made the points and if you wanted to talk one to one about the way we are treated by builders etc I would be prepared to talk and show you what those issues are. That would start with our own home, then you may understand why we come on these BB.



One thing you must appreciate is that 80% of buyers here are happy and never feel the need to complain here or elsewhere. The rest need somewhere to discuss their problems as most with problems do not live here and the only way to get information is to come on these boards. Otherwise they sit at home worrying themselves into their graves because there is nobody to talk with.



I will liken this BB to a kahvanesi. What does everyone do there, apart from play backgammon? They complain about the government, beladyse, the shop down the road, your neighbour. So no different to what we are doing!!!!!



Ishmail, these are my personal views and will not neccesarily be shared by others. However please believe me when I say my wife and I love this county and will never go back to England, I will not even go on holiday. We are welcomed by Cypriot people, we use the local facilities and encourage others to do the same.



David

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 08:40

Sorry, sorry for feelin so bad about this it just make us sick that there is some people who always knocks us on these boards an we gettin sick of it we know that there is many good peoples we know there is few bad builders but keep on nocking it dont help because we getting really upset and it is same few all the times, do you want us to print detials of these peoples on the web and all the things they has said ?? cos you is constantly printing these things, english peoples has even complianed about dusty roads and streets an we are in middle of a drought for crying out loud, (good english one that)

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 08:45

thank you david for nice reply you sound like my irish neibour he is a great man and he had problems with builder, we saw it and helped him to put right for no money and he is now happy and so are we but sorry again there is some people who is just stirring things for spite and these are the ones we are after,



please take note ,

please , try not to put your post over so confrontational it sounds like a threat " these are the ones we are after " i accept english is not your mother tongue but people could be forgiven for taking it as an aggressive comment -------moderator

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 08:48

We don't have a problem with my villa and regard it as built in the Typical Cypriot way, part of its charm....



However there are too many horror stories for others for it to be simply swept under the carpet and categorised as "moaning"...



Ismail, when people Google property in North Cyprus they will come across this type of thread so as I say, It does your cause no good.....



You are drawing attention to it!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 08:58

Ishmail,



Please listen carefully to what Groucho has said. His posting was both clear and very fair.



When anyone makes a significant investment, you expect to know what is happenning to it.



You expect it to have legitimacy under the law, and an element of protection. These factors



are so often missing on property transactions in The TRNC.



I do not think it helps to threaten people over tax revenues. Based n my limited experience



tax authorities worldwide know how to collect their dues. In the TRNC a good starting point



may well be the tens of thousands of pounds demanded in cash payments by many builders



I would suggest that without The British investment in the property sector,there would be



little to discuss, and The TRNC economy would be the worse for it!



wyn

copperpot


Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 09:31

Ishmail,if you went to the UK and spent your life savings on a house that would never get finished would you 'moan'.

Of course you would.why dont you try going to these bad builders and try asking them to put a bit of pride in their work and agree to do what it says in the contract.

See how far you get then.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 10:08

Hi

I think I know what this poster is trying to say, there are a FEW people who are intent on making trouble for others and are picking fault with every single thing and I have to agree it is very trying and indeed tiring,

but for my tuppence worth as well, it is sunny today, if I am here tomorrow it will be sunny again, lets enjoy it as we dont know how long we will be on this earth,

Ishmial the people who post these vindictive things are not worth gracing the pages of this board with reposts to, and yes anyone can complain and stir things up anonymously, but it takes someone of substance to meet the challenges head on and rationally, these people will get results and gain the respect of their fellows, the others will be treated for what they are

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 11:48

Ishmail, As a South African I know a bit about drought conditions (message 6) and water conservation, why do the locals persist in hosing down patios and street fronts. The other day I passed a Turkish military water bowser in the Gecitkoy area who was busy watering a perfectly good tarmac road! Why??!!

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 14:02

Personally I think this is an incredibly positive and supportive forum. Look at all the recomendations for restaurants,shops,places to visit, estate agents, lawyers and yes builders. The positive posts far out-weigh the negative ones.I certainly agree with cyprusishome as to the reason why people share their anger and frustration with others on the forum. It is a way of seeking help and advice when you have no information or control over whats happening. I would say the most frequent complaint on the forum is non-response to emails from lawyers, builders and estate agents. This often results in people sharing their concerns with the forum members in the hope that they can provide that much needed information.Surprisingly the most popular thread over the last few weeks has been the one comparing living in Cyprus to Britain. Read it and see which country got the most negative feedback. Certainly was not Cyprus. Ishmail look at what has happened to some buyers in the TRNC. After 4-5 years even though people have fully paid for their property they still have not got their title deeds. Would you moan if you had bought on Amaranta? People have sadly lost their live savings. This is a minority of all people buying in the TRNC but can you not see that by sharing this information many hope to stop this from happening. I am sure that TC's and the Brits are together on this one as at the end of the day our ultimate goal is for everyone to be happy and for the island to prosper so that the future of Cyprus is secure.This is an area we should be working together on and each individual moan should be seen in its context rather than people dismissing those that have real cause for complaint. I am a very happy buyer and would not hesitate to recommend my builder who is a genuinely good guy and professional business man but I do have lots of sympathy for those who are not as lucky and would endeavour to help in anyway I can, TC, Turkish or Brit.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 21:42

Bradus,



As usual a balanced posting after detailed analysis of the issues.



wyn

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 23:55

Bradus,



Would you please put in some carriage returns please, it makes it far easier to read I gave up on line 3.



To Ishmail,



And any others of course I would still be happy to show you our own and other peoples problems here. Maybe then you could pass to all your friends the reasons some get very angry and annoyed on these forums.



I often make "angry" responses on the BB's but they are targetted at individuals and certainly not at North Cyprus per se.



Who knows, we could start a new organisation of "Help the English" (Scots, Welsh & Irish can start their own).



David

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 00:08

Message 15 well said

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 08:06

you all missing the point, it is the peoples which comes on these boards to tell lies just to stir people who has geniune complaints up they tells lies after lies make postings come in on other postings with sly short posts these the people who we need to sort

these the people who make everything so bad for others they know who they is

it is these two faced peoples we are complaining about not real people with real complaints we know them and the lies they tell

Bradus you says the amarantha yes it is one of our biggest disastirs many many peoples ruined dreams terrible situation but is he not "ENGLISH" ??



matula you says Turkish army bowser watering road maybe this to stop the tar melting and anyway the turkish army has many tanker ships to bring in water if needed to there water depots this nothing to do with subject of liars, our municapalaties have told us we must not waste water or be fined so peoples have to put up with it just now but no need to lie

sorry for spelling if not right

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 09:37

ishmail ,why would people who have lost thousands of pounds say they had if they had'nt ?? nobody in their right minds would broadcast it to world about being taken for a ride { hardly good for one's ego now is it } i think you need to have face to face contact with these people , then you would have the authority to comment , oh yes by the way i have'nt had any problems myself , but i do know of people that have . and i am certainly no liar

you have a nice day , simbas

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 11:50

Hello Simbas,

I think perhaps this poster ismial is trying to make the point that he or she knows of certain people for sure that are causing trouble for the sake of it, at least that is how i read it, and if that is the case they deserve what befalls them.

you have a nice day also

I am going to the patio to laze away another sunny day - sigh what a life

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 13:12

Ishmail,

Yes Gary Robb is certainly English and I would agree that it must be one of the biggest building disasters in North Cyprus. But he could not have got away with what he did without the support from many officials in the TRNC.



Ask yourself how someone who has swindled hundreds of people in the TRNC and is a wanted criminal in England is allowed to live a life of luxury in the TRNC?



Political willpower could have sorted this problem out years ago and then people would have not needed to moan so loud as to bring this to the attention of the rest of the world, tarnishing the reputation of the construction industry in the TRNC.



Dealing with the problems ( I am sure you have read enough to know why laws need to be changed to protect buyers) would have prevented much of the bad publicity the TRNC has been subjected too.



Telling people to stop moaning and crying is just not constructive when it comes to the building industry in the TRNC.The only people that can change this is the government. Much of what happens is preventable. The future of the building industry is in the hands of the government but they seem quite happy to live with the complaints and moans.



Welcome to the forum Ishmail, its good to see things from a TC view and your input is welcome.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 18:40

Ishmail,



Yet again I find myself in wholesale agreement with Bradus.



I am afraid it comes down to this. Whilst some builders insist that you sign contracts for the

purpose of purchasing your property, and all parties freely sign, then all parties must expect

to have to honour that document. How many builders honour the penalty clauses?



When you have a legal system that denies people justice, by allowing unwarrantied delays in

process, and denies people the right to sue for their Kochans, and advocates that just throw

their hands in the air when you ask, "Why cant I get posession of the property I have paid for", then you must expect some outlet that allows people to express their frustrations.



When you have a Government whose sole answer to sort out these problems, is to set up a Department PIO understaffed, and with no legal teeth or authority .What do you expect?



That seems to me, the major reason why BBs came into existence. They are a valid and nescessary tool. Of course they are open to abuse, but how often without just cause? Rarely.



Members have offerred to sit with you to explain the legitimacy of their complaints, and I would strongly suggest that you avail yourself of that offer .Perhaps you should take the trouble to meet with Marion Stokes, who has fought long and hard, in this particular cause,

and perhaps you could help her resolve some of the difficulties with her personal property issues, a matter of which she rarely speaks, but heaven only knows warrants the support of someone with authority.



Perhaps Ishmail, when your Government do that then maybe just maybe, they will change the laws and put matters right, and there will be no more need for bulletin boards, and the Complaining people, that will have no further reason to use them.



People buy property in the TRNC because they like the place and its people, and maybe sometime because they feel it is a good investment. Is it not better that they complain, to get things right, rather than take their money elsewhere? Its a big world and many options available.



wynyardman

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 19:55

We agree this is true but STILL you missing the point,

Marion Stokes we know well and she says these boards are more often abused and a big problem and do no good to anybody cause this is a FACT

We are making point that maybe four or five peoples with what you say, no legitemate complaint is always on these boards telling LIES, those peoples must be stopped from doing this to harm who are only trying to help, these are low lifes no good to any body not even as good as worm they are like lower than snake.

VALID AND NECESARY TOOL HUH we dont think so and you said Marion Stokes, you ask her and see whot her anser is about valid tool !!!!!

Evrey country has trouble with goverments and many bad ones, russia/bulgaria/georgia/spain/south cyprus, to name a few, we do not care of these, we want troublemakers and antagonists punished for doing wrong as you want those that done you wrong punished

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 20:10

Ishmail

You do raise some valid points and I count myself lucky that I found a good, honest builder and developer,Northern Cyprus is My home now and whilst i agree with you that the British may come across as whingers, for some it is not without reason.

We are all sold this dream of living in Cyprus, then we move here and reality kicks in, One price for the English and one for T/Cs, long delays for utilities,contracts that we are expected to stick to, but that the developer can change at will.

Put yourself in our shoes for one minute, You work damned hard all your life and move to Cyprus, the same smiling faces change and see you simply as a cash cow, because of massive unresticted over development, you stand very little chance of selling on . How would you feel?

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 20:25

some great points but top and bottom is



we all love north cyprus or we wouldnt even be on the board ,so lets solve the problems together and enjoy this warm friendly environment .



we love cypriot ways of life and thats what should have attracted us,if if didnt then we could move back to uk ?



enjoy



kav

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 21:25

Ishmael .

Could i ask if message 1 is aimed at me ?

lushlips


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 22:52

Ishmail,



I have recently joined this forum after purchasing on a complex in TRNC and I have been reading some threads very carefully.



I don't think poeple are two faced by advertising their luxury apartments whilst complaining - i would imagine the luxury apartments are LUXURY but the complex they are on are NOT.



If they are anything like mine - then the supossidly finished site lets the properties down completly which is such a shame because in the right hands these complexes could be amazing. ( even the dusty roads make a difference - by the way we have big brushes here to sweep our roads - we dont have to use water! )



We have all paid good money for our property whether they are cheaper than England or not has nothing to do with it. Us English may moan - but most of us moan for a reason.



I have to write this as I have got really annoyed with some of the comments above and its helping let of the steam - LOL



By the Ismail - are you part of the local mafia?? just looking at some of your comments - " people we need to sort " and "ones we are after" ??

beach resort


Joined: 15/03/2008
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
27/07/2008 23:08

you like missing the point......just joking im happy

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 01:06

ishmail,

I've been refused permission to purchase my paid for apartment. I don't know why so I have to guess that it's because it is near an army camp or less likely that it's pre 74 turkish title. I have asked for advice through this BB. Are you accusing me of telling lies?

Alasian


Joined: 11/08/2007
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 01:50

rtddci, you seem to be as much of a victim of the isolation of the Turkish cypriot nation, as ourselves.



As the whole internationally recognised judicial,executive and legislative organs of Cyprus are under occupation of the Greek cypriots, we are left isolated in North Cyprus in the Europe of 21st century, unable to even play a football match with another countries team!!



Imagine, such a place where non of our organizations(lest few, Lefkosa Municipality,Cyprus Turkish Trade Association) are not recognised.



We are totally isolated from the rest of the Europe, and our fault: not giving up our rights to our ancestral country for centuries/millenia(depending on one's political views)



We can overcome all the lack of development in TRNC together, by combining the forces of Cypriots and residents, as to lift the embargoes on TRNC that have been going on since 1963.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 02:07

I think foreigners buying property in the trnc is a bit of a minefield certainly and very many people have got their fingers badly burned

but I do think some of the comments are a bit patronising:

please remember that cyprus ceased to be a british colony in 1960



property, tourists and retirees are a vital source of revenue for the trnc

the system is not watertight as in the uk and there are cultural differences

(but people still get ripped off in england, in spain and south cyprus etc)

and some of the "shell projects" people have reserved have been hit by

the great world property slowdown, it is not always simply a criminal matter



studying threads on this board would greatly help anybody looking to buy

and point them in the right direction...

there is a lot you can do to research, protect and guarantee your project

(now he tells me!)



however badly injured, moaning will not get you any redress at all, sorry,

and there are honest developers, estate agents and builders in the trnc

but I do think it is in north cyprus' own interests to protect foreign buyers

more pro-actively because it is their bread and butter and their future

but if there is a deal with the south, the country will have to guard itself

against uncontrolled and unplanned jerry-built development like in spain



and if there is not a deal it will have little else in terms of cash inflow

we have to admit that in our lemming-like rush to escape our gloomy north european environment we have been all to willing to press our hard-won life savings into the hands of any tom dick or hasan



andre

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 02:28

Ishmael .

We English pay for our property , accept it being late on completion , sometimes it run's into years , we are then being told to pay not only our maintenence in advance ( which i can see no problem with ) but also told it is compulsary to pay contingency fund's some as much as £450 PLUS PER OWNER . Now if you see that the complex is not finished and all is not in situ , dirty pools , unfinished buildings , unfinished roads with no completion in sight for at least another year , coupled up with solicitors who do not communicate , utilities who are ripping us off , are we not allowed to make our thoughts known ?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 07:28

IMHO,



I feel this thread started as a back lash from someone in the indegenous population who have held back for so long against a lot of abuse thrown at them on this and the BB's. This is not the first in this vein recently.



Put yourselves back in UK and the TC community in England slagged off London continuously for 3 - 4 years about lousy housing, health service, roads, being ripped off etc. If you are honest you would be bouncing!!!!!



Our colleague on this BB has heard all of these things continuously for years from a handful of British people - we are ripped off in the shops, local drivers are idiots, the streets are dirty etc. I get sick of hearing them too and it makes me very angry and if I were TC I would have these people thrown out of the country.



Ishmael has used a couple of unfortunate words that have annoyed some of you, if English is not your first language sometimes it is hard to find an appropriate one. Try it yourself in Turkish??????



rttdci, pipie he is not getting at people like ourselves. Obviously from recent posts I know exactly Martin's problems, I know what my problems are and have made the offer twice for Ishmail to come and see for himself that is how open I would be. But then he already knows what these honest points are. It is the minority that are continually running this great little country down that is spoiling it for the rest. It is spoiling it, my feeling is TC people now resent people from the UK being here. Please do not come up with all the c**p about our money etc this country would survive without us, proably better to have German or Scandinavian people.





Never is the time to attack the people of the country where we are guests, we should be trying to persuade people like Ishmael to meet us half way and persuade the average "man" in the street to come to our aid against the rogoue builders, estate agents and lawyers.



David

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 08:44

Well Ishmail started the thread and gave the example of someone who moaned about their build and then advertised it as luxury... what he has failed to grasp is that in many cases, with the build over, the new owner has often spent thousands of pounds bringing the property up to scratch...



Waiting for the builder to de-snag the property proving pointless as the retro-fitters often do more damage in the process.... So in those circumstances they are not two faced... It was very inflammatory of him to start the thread in the tone he did, and now he doesn't like what he hears...



One of life's tough lessons is... "put your head above the parapet and be prepared to get it shot off"



Yes we are guests in this wonderful place and we should not treat all builders with disrespect... In fact, I know of one I would heartily recommend from personal dealings with him. However that does not mean the utter dishonesty of some developers should go unreported or unpunished... does it?



If the construction industry cleaned up its own act there would be none of the discussions we are currently having and if the Government overhauled the Permission to Purchase procedure and the Specific Performance Law it would go a long way to addressing the fears and bitter experiences of many buyers... be they German, Danish, Dutch or British..

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 09:01

Well said CIH at last a constructive opinion on a thread that is hitting at nerve ends, it would seem that pipie is agitated and lushlips has joined on the bandwagon (a friend or family perhaps)

Pipie your reply 31 suggests you have a problem with the complex you are on as it is not clean, I know not of any complex which is handed over in pristine condition even those costing a lot of money, have you paid any management fees ??, I take it they are applicable, if so and after a few weeks the place shows no improvement then you may have a case for complaint, if not - no wonder you are agitated,

I would also suggest that Ishmail is one of many local people who tries to earn a living here on a wage that you or I would not get out of bed for, probably has been paid off because of lack of work, and is now kicking back in the only way he knows how, this is how people become radicalised and we are exasperating the situation.

Our own complex is still very unfinished and we have been paying our maintenance fees for over a year now, (have you) but as you said yourself earlier the site (TBV) is starting to look good BUT it Has taken 12 months, with major water problems and many other things going wrong in the interim, a small minority on our site did the same thing last year, airing things and complaining on the boards, but at the end of the day they are having to pay their dues as we all do.

Messages 28 29 30 well spoken



Lushlips it might be better if you put the brain in gear, before putting the index finger in motion, make allowances for Ishmails lack of english grammer, I bet it is better than your Written Turkish



My take on this is that there is a lot to be desired in TRNC but nothing is perfect anywhere that is why sooo many are leaving England in droves,

If people who have a gripe did things the right way perhaps they would not find it necessary to air their views on these boards.

Last but not least

WEll done ishmail

turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 09:39

To all the above, it is not just North Cyprus that is suffering, if you have been following the news on the South, a lot of people over there are suffering too," IT " happens.

Ishmail, I think we all have got the "point" by now.

Rip off merchants thrive everywhere, good luck to all future buyers.

Do as much homework as you can and hope for the best, nothing is guaranteed.

I was one of the very lucky ones ,I had a great builder before the boom started and would highly recommend him Musa Ersoy. He stands by his high quality standards and is of a rare breed that takes pride in his work.

Anyone familiar with is work will agree with me.

Again I say do your homework and good luck.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 10:06

Ishmael .

I have posted /debated thoghts that i think are acceptable to discuss on this forrum , however you continue you try and bully in a fasion that in my eyes is not acceptable , i for one would not name any complex that i am reffering to as it is still in it's infancy . but can i remind you that you can fool some of the people some of the time , but you try fooling people all of the time . On this we will have to agree to disagree , let us see if you are man eneough to do that . I have no intention to enter in any furthur debate as clearly you resort to threats .

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 11:10

Punk rocker maybe you should understand that these forums are for airing views/debates .

Are you suggesting that people hand over 12 month maintenence fees to m/companies to prop up there business ?

Are you suggesting people who have had arough ride with there build then just pay out fees willy nilly even though complexes are not finished ? if so what planet are you on ?

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 14:03

certainly not cloud cuckoo land like you pipie, you want to get a life its you who is the bully and you have exposed yourself big time on the boards, you are not airing views you are trying to incite others by the very nature of some of your posts, most people are tolerant - not you, and we all know it now.

People,

pipie has not got a bad build, she has not got a bad site, she has not got a lot of things to moan about, she should move forward like the vast majority of people have done and stop making enemies.

Ishmail at no time and in none of the posts ever mentioned any site, complex, development or area, in fact I dont think he was even talking about you, I think he is hurting that he and his family have lost a job or some form of respect because of vindictive people.

pipie, you in your various postings over the last week have certainly done that, you praised our site TBV even though it has nothing to do with you, you say that you would not name any complex because it is still in it's infancy, that is so patronising it is just belittling you further, it is no better than the site we know you (or family) have bought on, it has more than it's share of faults and problems, and the fees are high and we have been paying for a year, you obviously dont want to or cant pay your dues.

it was you who posted that people should not pay fees thus inciting them,

it was you who posted your luxury apartments to rent, do you really want me to continue.



If you really want to help people, button up, you dont impress at all, in fact you depress, sorry but thats how I see it, maybe Ishmial will give us a clue as to what he is on about or perhaps we have hit it on the head, however I doubt that we are even close, it was you pipie who raised the question "was the original post aimed at you", personally I do not think so but !!!!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 14:26

Ishmael/punkrocker

you are the same person , , youre posts are not only bullying , but interesting as it is showing me and others exactly what sort of person you are , and convinces me that you are a person to avoid like the plague . but in answer to you're question , yes i would like you to carry on please do and dig yourself a bigger hole , shame on you .

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 14:31

Can i also ask why i cannot praise TURTLE BEACH / credit due to a site worth paying maintenence .

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 14:49

We have just returned from TRNC and are amazed how sites are not finished and handover/large maintenence fees are requested . I urge all prospective owners to look closely at there sites in person before handing over any yearly charges . Do not rely on photos sent to you , you are perfectly in you're rights not pay anything until you are satisfied all is in place on you're complex . Hope this info helps



Ishmael /punkrocker

This was my original post just tell me exactly how i have been ,inciting , or vindictive ?

I ask you do you personally run a maintenence company ?

this will get us down to brass tacks so to speak .

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 17:00

Pipie

i do not run or operate any business in TRNC i have no connection with any companys but you seem to be intent on pursueing this avenue, you are really becoming very boring, you are trying to ensnare someone I presume, I do not know this person Ismial, but I admire a lot of what he/she posts, I do not admire you and your feeble attempts to vilify others but may I ask you to please explain how you can possibly glorify our complex on a quick drive round, this gives people an unrealistic view of what is in effect happening here, only today we have had to give people advice not to swim in the top pool at our complex as it is not fit, do you want to come and see for yourself - or do you want to fire from afar again, CIH put it very well in reply number 32, please read and digest it 3 or 4 times, then come to terms with its message.

You have never been singled out here but you put yourself in the firing line by suggesting so, WHY !!!!!!!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 17:53

you're reponse that you do not own or run a business in the TRNC pleases me because if you did you would not last a year in the TRNC unless you are a cowboy who flits from one business to another.

You ask me my views on Turtle / beach and i will say again that it looked impressive much better than some of the sites i have visited , am i not allowed an opinion ? .

You have clearly singled me out , but i do not cower like you would like me too just watch .

coolrob


Joined: 24/06/2008
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 00:13

Ismail it's true some of us do gripe about the T.R.N.C. we dont want to but we have to we only want what we are entitled to. The cheap Cyprus prices you refer to aren't these for the Turkish Cypriots. Prices for the Brits are always more expensive why is that? You seem concerned that some Luxury Appartment owners do not pay their taxes Ishmail you could become famous persuade the many builders to hand over title deeds (as per contract of course) and then pay their taxes to the government. Let's give the economy a real boost.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 00:58

paid all my taxes have receipts to prove it .

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 05:59

You peoples lost it now altogeter, we still say you needs to get real and you now fighting among youselfs,

Fact, my familie suffered because off one person doing something, one person on this board and we will never forget, beleive me, read mesage 32 again, you got the wrong thoughts in you head pipie you got the wrong person do not know this punkrocker person an do not agree with all she says but people who want to stir things for no good reason will be the losers in the end of the day it is our will to see that it is done

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 06:04

Ishmail,



It's not worth it, Life is to short.



Take it easy and good night to you..



T.

turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 07:57

Ishmail, i feel bad that you and your family have been wronged but you're not alone there.

I am sure you can talk to Marion at the home owners pressure group, she would be a lot more helpful . I am not trying to diminish you're pain whatsoever , but maybe pointed in the right direction they may be a bit more helpful.



Good luck.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 10:40

People seem to have been barking up the wrong trees and jumping to wrong conclusions, typical but they have nailed their true colours to the mast now

Good luck to you Ismail, with time things will get better

Cyprus is home

I look forward to meeting with you in the future, you want this little bit of paradise to succeed like we do.

It is also interesting to note that the person who made their new post on this thread to defend someone, now starts up another thread in the same vein, they never give up do they.

lushlips


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 13:02

Punk rocker - How can you agree with all Ishmail says when you have ranted and raved about how bad your build is ??



Surely if it is that bad you will understand other peoples concerns and frustrations - I am sure that what we all want is the same - A nice property abroad, on a well maintained complex (which is what we were all promised) and all paid good money for.

Why should we move on when all promised has not been delivered?



Ishmail - I am sorry to hear about your suffering, but please understand there are people that have also suffered greatly when purchasing too - thats why poeple have responded in an angry fashion at some of the posts above. I wish you and your family well and by the way your english grammer is better than mine and most on this forum especially your first few posts - they are word perfect!!!



Punk rocker - I dont know of pipie but he is tall dark and handsome - id like to ! lol

I'm sure its not just Pipie that has issues with the property he has brought as you can see from the above there are many other people - seems you have some sort of problem.



Anyway - love and light to all !

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 14:03

Tiggy and turboturk many thanks lush lips you are a stupid hipocrite we donot want your sorrows we want some persons apologies, if peoples have problems with builders then let them take it out with the builders not cost us our job!!!!!!! hope you get the point !!!!!!

Punk rocker apologise the way you have been taken in this because we thinks we know who you are and you are good man you have not rant or raved you have not said you build was bad you has only said that you site is not finish yet and that is the truth the real truth and anybody can see the same if they get there eyes open, these 2 twist everything and our hatred grows with every time they say something









please take note , your posts are becoming personal and rather aggressive , and are being monitered ,you can put your point across without having to resort to personal insults ,if you can't then perhaps this is not the place to discuss it ------ moderator

lushlips


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 14:25

what persons applogies are you after exactly Ishmail?



so its ok for everyone else to make their point and feel sorry for you but I am not allowed to?



other people have complained about all sorts - but seems i have been singled out by you and your mate punkrocker.



why dont you target your aggression at the right person that has caused your grief rather than those who just want a nice place in the sun!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 02:15

CIH: "Put yourselves back in UK and the TC community in England slagged off London continuously for 3 - 4 years about lousy housing, health service, roads, being ripped off etc. If you are honest you would be bouncing!!!!!"



Well, to be honest if someone pointed out some things were really sh*t about my country, and after four years they were still complaining because the situation hadn't improved, I would be joining them in demanding change. Only racists and the ignorant meet valid complaints with responses like "if you don't like it go home."



Funnily enough, that's the kind of response you often see on the TRNC BBs...

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 03:55

Well said message 53 . The truth is some people are having second thoughs and are considering going home ,

now if this happens on a grandscale will that be helping the economy ?

, i don't think so , next time you are all out and about just look and see who are in the banks,shops , estate agents , etc etc .These people you see are the ones that have purchased in North cyprus , with the hope of a better standard of life , all these people want is to get what was promised , pay there way and sit back and enjoy what they have paid for , i can see no problem in that whatsoever . The problem i see is if people do leave in droves where will that leave TRNC . This is why it is important to start stop take heed , and value people who contribute to this wonderful society , not keep penalising and asking more just because they are not TRNC citizens . Not keep expecting to pay over the odds because they are not residents , and finally not taking away freedom of speech cause all are entitled to that .

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 04:07

PIPIE & Pte Pike, you are spot on with your observations.



T.

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 07:55

freedom of speach is 1 thing lies lies lies is another thing, an anybody claims to have any brians can see the poison coming from the same few all the time specially if you follow this board

evrybody knows pike on here for whot he is

pipie we will not miss if you decide to go away, you hoped for a better standard of life, so much for england 'HUH' our countrie will survive without you, people like you turning us off english peoples

Trouble is you never see any trouble with anything you write, big problem!!!!

you will never be happy here

pike many many times foreign people in england were told, if you dont like it go home 2 faced or whot !!!!

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 09:07

Ishmal

You seem to be taking winging ex-pats too personally.

Unfortunately British migrants have spread all over the world, from Spain to Australia. The pattern is always the same - the one third sit around and complain about everything, while the other two thirds get on and enjoy the hospitality offered by their adopted country.

The problem is, that the one third gather in their little ghettos and make a very loud noise. The Australians coined them all as winging pomes, and, very unfairly, took away the ten pound ticket from everyone. Most of us who live here permanently love your country, and will stand with you through thick and thin. A lot of the problems are coming from people who only come here for a few weeks every summer, and really haven’t a clue what it is really like to live here.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 09:43

Ishmal.....



For what it's worth my hubby and I moved here 5 months ago.

We had an excellent builder who produced a beautiful house and we love it.

Yes we have had the odd problem but tell me a country where there are not problems?



We respect the culture, the way of life and most of all the locals.

In the short time we have been here we feel we have fitted in with the locals around us...we adore the local children, always smiling and always thank us when we give them sweets.

We use local workmen when we can and offer them refreshments as a sign of our respect..we have not had one job that we have not been happy with.



I wake up in the morning and think how lucky we are...how many people can say that?!!

We use local restaurants and love the warm welcome and hospitalty offered.



All in all we love TRNC and the warmth of the people.



Would we want to return to London (over populated, stressful, high crime etc)?

No, TRNC is our home and we intend to enjoy every minute of it.



I know being local you are upset by the whinging expats but believe me the majority of expats are enjoying their time here and the moaners are believe it or not few and far between.



Please do not take all the whinging comments to heart as there are many who support your country and as Troodo stated....will support you through thck and thin.



Have a good day wherever you are and whatever you are doing.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 09:56

I can only reiterate what Troodo & puppylover have said this is a great place to live and the whingeing few we can ignore, we can see through them as you can Ishmail and your words while not always chosen very well are quite accurate

The attacks from a few seem to appear everywhere no matter what subject is spoken about, the moderators should take note of this as well



please take note

while all posts are moderated , all peoples posts are to be respected , that is whether one agrees with the posts or not , { freedom of speech ect is what forums are all about } what is not exceptable is the personal insults and aggression , while some people want some of these posts removed , others don't , passionate posts are not the same as aggressive posts , but you don't need me to tell you that , we should all take note and respect each others posts and respond with decorum --------- moderator

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 10:56

Ishmael .

As you pesistently keep mentioning my name what have i said for you to continue these remarks .

I ask you personally what have i said that has aparantly annoyed ? you please be specific ????

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 11:26

ishmail: "...anybody claims to have any brians..."



He was just a good friend, right?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 21:41

pike

hasilsin be hiyar ,you are not funny ,stop picking up on peoples spelling .

oh and for you information its not the foreiners complaning about britain

they love it here its the english and they have a right too ,so don,t try and twist

what ismail is saying like you do everything else.

iyi aksamlar (GUMBARE).

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 08:15

sorry spelling is not my big subject but most knows what I mean,

it is the english (nearly always) and it is not right the way they pick on peoples, moderators might be able to wipe away the words but they can not take away what our hearts feels

gunaydin





ps nobody wants to wipe away your words ishmail , its just that you are verbally quite aggressive at times , this is what we object to not your words , you have the right to express yourself like anyone else but do it without becoming personal ------------- moderator

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 08:40

Ishmail...



Wish my Turkish was as good as your English...well done for trying.



Have a nice day wherever you are and whatever you are doing.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 11:43

Ishmail.

You seem to be in a rut.

Most of the respondents are clearly on your side, but you do not acknowledge this.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 11:47

Msg #58



"...always smiling and always thank us when we give them sweets..."



I don't mean to be churlish but it's not doing the kids any favours by doling out sweets to them. What about the harmful additives and tooth-rotting sugar?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 11:50

Musin: "hasilsin be hiyar ,you are not funny"



It was as a joke, for feck's sake. I'm clealy not as funny as you.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 11:56

Musin,



Given that you were raised and educated in the UK you should have a pretty good grasp of our language by now. Isn't Turkish only your second language - and a bit shaky at that?

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:02

troodo, thank you

in our anger we mebbee were un thoughtful

most people very good we thank those people

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:25

I would just like to commend the moderator on his sound judgement.



wyn

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:42

Ptepike....msg 66.



Agree you are being churlish.



You give the impression that I churn out bags of sweets to the local children...I don't....I give a sweet out to a child/children if I have one or two in my pocket.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 14:58

Susanne.

I do hope you do not live here. Next you will be telling us we can not take pictures of our grandchildren. PC is the curse of Britain, keep it there.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 15:50

Troodo....

Thank you! You took the words right out of my mouth.



What is the matter with certain people?!!



Susanne....just for your information I have two children of my own.



Many years ago I used to be a creche worker and also a childminder so I do not need to be lectured on when it is appropriate to give sweets to children.

On the ocassions that I do it is ALWAYS in the prescence of their parents.

The children in question run from their house to see our puppy when we walk past their house.

I have also recently retired from the metropolitan police so I think I could be classed as of good character.



Stop insinuating something sinister that is something so purely innocent.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 16:42

puppylover



I think that susanne at 47 may be at one of those,.. err,... difficult ages, when you are feeling a bit down and seeking attention. Maybe we should be welcoming her and offering support.



Don't take it personally.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 17:51

Robnjo......



Think I may be in need then....as I'm also 47!! Maybe I haven't noticed I'm at that difficult age as well...will have to ask the hubby!!



Thank you...I certainly will not take it personally.

It just annoys me when someone takes it upon themselves to gleam out an innocent sentence from a longish posting and try and make it more than it was intended to be and distract from what the original posting was about.



Never mind...Enoy your day wherever you are and whatever you are doing.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 19:14

pike

there you go again picking up on peoples spelling .





correction for sir (NASILSIN BE HIYAR)

i will ask you once again stop rubbishing the turkish .

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 19:50

puppylover,



The only point I'm making is sweets can become a bad habit for children and we adults shouldn't be encouraging it by helping them develop a sweet tooth. For example, one of my friends was given sweeties as a treat by her dad when he came home from work - and now she has a mouth full of fillings. In my family chocolate buttons were an occasional Saturday treat. I have two fillings and my brother (46) has none.



It p*sses me off no end when shops, restaurants etc offer the kids lollies (the worst for tooth and gum disease). They think it's a nice gesture but in actual facts it's harmful for children. Why not give them fruit, nuts, money, comics?



Were you uniform or admin in the job, BTW? I've done 20+ years as a S/Const and still at it!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 19:55

Musin,



The trouble with some people is they confuse the rubbishing of themselves with the non-existent rubbishing of a much larger group - to which they don't really belong anyway.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 20:19

Ptepike...msg 79.



To a degree...I agree re sweets.



No I wasn't an uniformed officer, I was a Station reception Officer dealing with the public who came into the police station to report crime amongst other things.

Worked as part of a police team for 12 years (8 of them doing 12 hour shifts).

Based at Kensington in London...loved every minute of it and there are days when I miss it.



I congratulate you on 20+ years as a Special...good on you.

I've always had the utmost respect to anyone who gives their own time to do something so worthwhile and often dangerous.

Did you never think of joining as a regular?

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 21:00

puppy lover PLEASE PLEASE BRING YOUR UNIFORM HERE.............





Were you ever a mountie ??

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 21:05

PIKE

ill repeat my question stop rubbishing the turkish ,i dont care who or what you are ,but what i do care about is you pointing out at every opportunity how

inept we are .make your points without telling everyone we are second class

citizens in our own country.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 21:06

Musin

Yes, and he slated me for picking up on a native speaker's poor spelling

Told me that you don't do this on forums!! Unless, it's himself, I suppose

that does it!! No, we shouldn't really, but if you care about your native tongue,

which is the only one I speak fluently, then hard to resist. I think most folks don't really mind too much being reminded of what they may already know!

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 21:47

Nige....I was never a mountie...but I kept a horse when I was younger.

Still have my jodpurs and crop though!!!

paulgeordie


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1050

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 13:48

phylray do you speak Gaelic Slainte??

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 13:57

there are one or 2 on here would beefit from the crop !!

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 15:54

mushin and other good peoples on this board many many thank you for you support we are angrey because we only start a job and then we told four weks later we being paid off because some english peoples will not pay and the bosses can not keep us on because they telling everybody else on these boards no pay they knows who they are but other peoples have started saying things as well on here thinks they are being spoke about so they must think have problems too we only started and did not have time to prove we can do job, but we do not blame boses we blame peoples who do not pay and we suffer the peoples does not even live here and only comes 1 or 2 times a year but they shout of on the boards they is nasty people and 6 of us loss our jobs why !!! did we not deserve time?????????? we will NEVER forgive those people

Sorry Izzet and Ukturk we are angrey but no more posts let the people decide

sorry this the way we feel

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 16:17

Ishmail,



Do you pay for your goods before you have them. Would you pay £100.000 for no more than a concrete slab? Look at what is happening to people on Troy Lake thread......paid upfront and 5 years later have nothing to show for their life savings. Some are now homeless. There are two types of fools:



Those who pay before they get their goods.

Those who don't pay after they have their goods.



You appear to be supporting only one of the above. Most people complaining on this forum sadly fall into the first category. Under the circumstances they have a right to whinge. It would be more constructive if we all worked together to prevent the first category from happening rather than kicking people in the teeth when they are already down. Change the laws, then all would be more protected....TC or Brit.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 17:04

sue

you are of couse 100% right wherever in the world you buy ,but in ismails

defence as i read his messages i belive he has different issues which he has

not quite been able to correctly put forward.

musin

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 17:13

Seems like you are out numbered Ishmael , drink still stand though in order for us to get to the bottom of you're anger , so from what i can gather people did not pay you 4 weeks after you started work , and you are blaming me for you not getting paid ????????, well you need to explain more in detail still a mystery to me , good post message 89 spot on .

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 17:27

hi guys

this the problem i agree and respect both sides of the argument, the person buying and also the workers who gets the jobs that are contracted to them by some of these dodgy developers we will never have a balanced housing sector until it gets full regulated by a independant company who has the powers to procescute

i must say also this thread has gone off subject many times and have lost track what the actal point is and over the last few weeks this has happened in many threads thats why i have not eve bothered to post as much as i have done in the past

come on guys lets keep everything in perspective and if we have problems or complaints direct them at the person or the company that we have got the problem with not have the menatlity of saying nothing then walking away and bitch about it after

warm regards to all

ukturk

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 18:17

Ukturk.....



Spot on! This posting could go on and on and on....





Have a good day/evening wherever you are and what ever you are doing.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 21:11

paulgeordie



I am learning it and tomorrow I will be in Skye at the Gaelic college for

my annual week, which is always enjoyable. Ceilidh on the Thurs. night!

Sometimes, I come out with Turkish words in the midst of Gaelic & vis versa.

There will be Irish Gaels this week too, learning Scottish Gaelic, & singers,

pipers & all kinds of music, singing & dancing. All amongst fantastic scenery.

Food is good & healthy too. I can't speak too highly of the whole atmosphere.

Slainte mhath!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 21:48

phylray

do you speak turkish i ask only becouse my better half is irish and she speaks

no gaelic ,but does speak fluent turkish ,oh and some times english



eyi aksamlar

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 23:41

Musin M

Yes, I did learn some when I worked in Istanbul 3 years. We needed to

as no-one spoke English in the shops! So we learnt survival Turkish & I can

get by on it. When you are in the culture & hear it all around it is so much

easier to pick up language. Where abouts in Ireland is you good lady from?

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 23:46

phylray



she is from cabra ,southern ireland









musin

phylray



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 01:45

Musin M



Not sure where it is, but have been to Eire several times, as well as the

north. Went on a fishing cruise up the Shannon & to Wicklow, Donegal

Dublin.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
03/08/2008 03:27

Judy,



Station support always makes the job of uniform easier and is much appreciated. Yes, I was offered a job as a regular but at the same time my UCCA form was processed so I went down the degree road and I'm in the media now. I've already been injured three times, once badly, and it's not worth it full-time for what they're offering. I'm with the BTP SC now, keeping the MoPs "moving along safely, now" of a weekend.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
03/08/2008 03:32

MUSIN: "PIKE ill repeat my question stop rubbishing the turkish ,i dont care who or what you are ,but what i do care about is you pointing out at every opportunity how

inept we are .make your points without telling everyone we are second class

citizens in our own country."



Chill dude! I don't place you under the Turkish or Turkish Cypriot categories because you aren't in that boat.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
03/08/2008 03:35

Judy: "Still have my jodpurs and crop though!!!"



I was a horseman as a lad and enjoy it yet.

turbo


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Posts: 833

Message Posted:
03/08/2008 07:57

I am still not exactly sure what happened here, but it looks like a job was stopped and people were fired because of non payment.



I ask, why was the payments stopped, ? could it be that the builders were not doing what they were supposed to be doing and the buyers took action.

I would do the same if i was a buyer and things were not being done as promised., so Ismail , you have my sympathy, it looks like you got caught in the middle of the chain of events.

If that is the case, I think you should be aiming your anger at the builders.

Ask them why payments were stopped.

Maybe I have this all wrong, all i keep reading is that someone is really upset.

WHY?

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
03/08/2008 09:28

Ptepike...



Seems we have two things in common then!!



Enjoy your day!



Judy

fcukwit


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 16:42

please take note

you have only just joined the forum , and already you are now having your posts moderated , please refrain from being too personal in your comments======== moderator

puppylover



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 16:59

msg 104.



Think this posting is going a bit too far is is uncalled for.

bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
03/08/2008 16:59

Hitting a bit below the belt now. Should this thread stop at this point?

puppylover



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Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
03/08/2008 17:14

bradus......



Have to agree that some of the postings are getting a bit too personal now.



Well done to the moderator for warning the member.

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
03/08/2008 17:22

NOT NICE AT ALL MESSAGE 104

ukturk



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Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
03/08/2008 17:54

fcukwit

i made the mistake of not reading all your message before accepting it let me just warn you to refrain from being personal otherwise i will not accept your next posts and you wont be able to post freely!!!!!



second of most pepople had to flee before 74 (74 was the end of the trouble)anyone who knows their history of cyprus will know trouble broke out as early as the 50's and most people fled then and my grandparents and parents had the advantage of having a u.k passport because of british rule of cyprus but let me tell you they did not have a easy ride and was given a council house they had to rent a basement which was not fit for humans and worked all the hours god sent in a clothes sweatshop in the east end of london