Erdogans timetable for cyprus

tracer


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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 11:05

End of 2010 to close the Cyprus problem

The Turkish prime minister complains about the reactions against Turkey in occupied areas.



Erdogan made no secret of its annoyance and you hear the occupied against the government. He said his government made several investments in the occupied territories. He complained, however, of "distortions" exist, stating that: "The prime minister of T.D.V.K. salary is eight million Turkish liras. But a director receives 14 million billion pounds. Mr. Kucuk Can not be able to tell. But I say that this is not a fair approach. "

tracer


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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 11:12

However, he adds, in recent months suspected, if not classes, for mismanagement. "Thousands of euros have been paid to nonexistent organizations, which exist on paper," complained the newspaper "Afrika", while money was also supporters of the party Talat. "True or false?" Asks columnist. The case, however, caused so much noise, so that civil servants who were responsible for managing the program of economic assistance, finally revealed the names of beneficiaries, says the report.

newscoop


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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 11:12

Get it right;



He said the TRNC prime minister earns 8,000tl a month

A bank manager 14,000tl a month.

elko2



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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 11:34

msg. 1

"The Turkish prime minister complains about the reactions against Turkey in occupied areas. "



This is Greek Cypriot terminology, Erdogan will never say "occupied areas". So your source must come from the south who excel in lies.



However, the current government in Turkey is very anxious to handle all the thorny problems and try to get a solution to them. I attended a conference and listened to experts first hand how they managed to get the latest ECHR decisions on Cyprus. I am sure the same thing is happening with Direct Trade i.e. they will open Ercan against allowing Greek Cypriots to use Turkish Ports. More will follow and hence the GCs are at long last realizing that they are small pawns in a big chess game. Others like France and germany will use them to their own ends.

ismet

tracer


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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 11:46

msg 4



So your source must come from the south who excel in lies



ismet

who excel lies or trying to hide behind his finger is another story, for us and rest of the world is occupied areas.(exept Turkey who is trying to hide like an ostrich behind words)

elko2



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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 11:52

Tracer,

If it is a simple matter of "occupation" what are they talking about for so long under the auspicies of UN? If you look at the Annan Plan, it was not a simple matter of ending occupation but it was more to do about safeguarding the security and independence of Turkish Cypriots. I understand that the Cyprus Problem began in 1974 as far as you are concerned. You can believe who you like.

ismet

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 14:02

RE msg 5, tracer: (...) for us and rest of the world is occupied areas. (...)

=> For us in the North: we live in a PROTECTED AREA. Protected against people like you and your GC friends.

P.S. Who is interested in your political opinions on this Northern Cyprus bulletin board? Go away and discuss your BS on a GC forum.

tracer


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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 14:42

msg 7

For us in the North: we live in a PROTECTED AREA.

from whom you must protect your selfs from dutch, US gcs thats a joke i believe



msg 6

No ismet cyprus problem began in the 60s when you withdraw from the goverment to achive your main goal taksim.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 15:13

Oh dear re message 8, I am having a laugh now. One question I would ask you Tracer, which school did you go to and what is your (true) age?

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 15:28

Bill read through Tracers previous posts they are only in pigeon English when he remembers to write like that, not the brightest star in the sky is he!



Chris

p.s. Tracer I can recommend a good psychiatrist if you want.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 15:29

oops sorry AJ just called you Bill!

Troodo


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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 15:48

We found another pain in the arse on other web sites that calls himself Christopher from the USA, who turned out to be neither Greek nor GC, is very young and lives in London - any connection Tracer, school perhaps?

elko2



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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 15:59

msg. 7,

Tracer, I do not wish to be harsh on you but at least you should know the basics if you really want to command some respect here. what you wrote: "No ismet cyprus problem began in the 60s when you withdraw from the goverment to achive your main goal taksim. " Now is that lies, ignorance or what? Just for your informationi GCs attacked the Turkish Quarter of Nicosia on the night of 23rd December 1963 with Sampson in charge. It was after what we the Turkish Cypriot called the "Bloody Noel" that they were afraid for their lives and stopped going to their jobs in government offices. However the Chief Justice Zeka bey who had the respect of both Turkish and Greek Cypriots carried on with his job until he was prevented from going to his office by the Greek Cypriot police in 1967. Despite the efforts of the Greek Cypriots he was elected to ECHR and served there until he died in I think 1982. At Strassbourg he gained the respect of his collequeas and he gave many judgements that really carried weight. One of his minority decision was against Germany who held an accused in jail for 5 years before finnally finding him guilty. He appealed to ECHR for holding him in prison for too long before judgement. Zeka bey ruled against Germany but he was in the minority. In later years the United Nations took and approved his decision and they said that they had nothing to add to it, it was such a perfect judgement.

ismet

tracer


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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 17:56

msg 13

ismet dont worry about me this its good what i dont know i will learn it from you. and i dont want this to be taken as irony . you mention bloody noel ..... the woman and the kids kill in the bath as i heard from your people they was murdered by their own father a military officer and also they said and admid that in that area non of the GCs could enter .am i wrong here also.

also dektas admit that a fellow tc friend place the bomb....quoting

In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists (the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus, Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish Cypriot friend who planted the bomb.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
17/07/2010 18:30

tracer,



you have great stamina and like the generality of gc-supporters on "cyprus 44"

may well succeed in "swaying" a tad the few already confused and inexperienced,

for what that's worth!



but of course (I speak with no cypriot agenda but only as an interested observer)

the tide is flowing shakily, hesitantly but surely towards daily recognition of north cyprus,



just think of the collapse of the "properties" campaign,

and the impending double whammy of direct trade and opening turkey's ports

...it is as if the international community is quite losing patience with gc intransigence,

and will now take all vital decisions regardless



that's why you guys lurk in the past, the future offers so little for your hopes and dreams



true, there are two sides to every story but one of the greatest certainties of life

among states to the east of the med, is that turkey wont rethink its involvement in cyprus

because of partisan rhetoric masquerading as histrionic gobbledegook

blade


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Message Posted:
18/07/2010 12:43

From the outside looking in, lots of history ,written articles and books about the Cyprus problem.

After reading and learning about it from both points of view, I would say don't beleive everything which has been written and make up your own mind as to what happened.

The part people quote is usually to meet their own agenda.

Don't take sides!

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/07/2010 13:42

msg 16

i have to agree with you blade

they will never tell us the truth (both sides) so the best think to do is to put everything behind us and move on and make this country blossom for once .but the real thing is that some people dont want us to forget.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
18/07/2010 22:17

tracer



forget about what the lies and the truths are ,lets put it all behind us and move on is your advice ,



the turkish have ,now you must try and sell your advice to the gc,s ,have you noticed who keeps us from moving forward.



good luck 'musin



long live the KKTC

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/07/2010 23:16

If we forget we can move forward together Musin



long live CYPRUS

Bradus


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Message Posted:
18/07/2010 23:35

Some people are trying hard to forget and recognising that all Cypriots have suffered.

Peace memorial at Kontea Peace Park on July 22, 7.30pm

The location of the peace festival itself is also a story of courage and quiet persistence as it is the result of unique cooperation between Kontea’s original Greek Cypriot inhabitants and the current Turkish Cypriot residents to restore and maintain the village’s monuments and cultural heritage. Both groups of villagers not only share ties to the village but both have also suffered the fate of being displaced from their homes.



The peace festival offers music, documentaries, poetry and other activities to honour the acts of “courage and humanity of Turkish and Greek Cypriots who provide information for the location of places of burial and the fate of the missing”.



The organisers concluded: “Divided we have suffered, together we can build a common peaceful future!”



For people wishing to take a bus, there will be buses at the northern

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/07/2010 23:51

this is an HONOR for the organisers . and for all those that suffered, living or dead.



and musin please dont mixed the peoples needs for a united country with the politicians they have as you know their own agendas and dont give a s***t about anybody else.We the people and only if we can do something about it.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 01:32

tracer,



good if cypriots could overcome past bitterness and "unite" together,

whether or not this also assumes some kind of federation on the island



but assuming you are calling for a single state, how would this happen?

there's precious little sign of it: so perhaps I have missed something?



andre

tracer


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 08:31

andre



in my opinion thing about it like the states in USA two states no borders anybody could leave at any state he wants and comply to the rules of the state and the central government. and everybody benefits from that i believe .



Is that wrong?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 08:57

Without recognition as a state the TC's are just a community - anyone know the EU law on political conflict within an EU state? Turkey will have no say as they are outside the EU. The GC's will act first, through control of the central government, and argue about it afterwards. Do I smell a second Akritas plan?



Patientia est a donum superum

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 09:06

Troodo/Msg 24: 'Do I smell a second Akritas plan?'



You do, indeed, and rightly so, good Sir!

Troodo


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 10:07

Tenakoutou.



Then let us all shout it to the roofs!!!!



Patientia est a donum superum.

tracer


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 14:05

troodo is something wrong with your nose



yes troodo TWO communitys one government in the eu. what is so wrong about that.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 15:01

Tracer.

The GC domination of the one government.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 15:20

tracer



the problem with two communities one government is ,it does,nt work that,s why we are here ,sooner or later

the majority will overtake ,even try to eliminate the minority,could that happen.



the greek cyps do not want the turkish cyps and visa versa we have never been collaborative ,they have always lived in their half and we have always lived in our half ,so in essence not much has changed .



so lets hope we can move on soon ,i do believe we are closer then people believe we are and may be very

suprised.



musin



long live the KKTC

tracer


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 15:26

Im not talking about any kind of domination troodo the best think is that none of the parties have any hidden agendas

Honesty will be the main ingredient (and im flying to the clouds)

Troodo


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 19:32

There goes another flying pig.

tracer


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Message Posted:
19/07/2010 20:49

Musin msg 29

the greek cyps do not want the turkish cyps and visa versa we have never been collaborative

idont agree with that Musin until the age of 13teen a big part of my life was among TCs and i know how we felt each other my grandfather was from kazafani my grandmother from diorios and my father was working with TCS.



you dont believe that you can make a good friendship with a GC ?



extremist from each site done what they done now i believe is our turn to make thinks right .

andre 514


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 02:02

hello peeps



this whole thread seems a bit sad to me

there is a great deal of wishful thinking from one quarter,

and a mixture of bemusement and therapy from most of the rest



but precious little that is new or useable



I guess we will be talking one-suits-all-solutions pretty soon

...bit like stretching or chopping the guest to fit the bed at the inn



if we don't watch out we will be talking up solutions in 'arf a mo'

whether final, vinyl or totally divorced from real events



and I wish tracer every sucess in his newly airbourn career

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 02:12

I would just like to say, Andre, that I know little about Cypriot politics (come to think of it, who does) but I read all your posts with great interest.



In my (very humble) opinion, you set things out in such a way that even Philistines like me can make at least some sort of sense of it.



With thanks.



Jean

tracer


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 08:13

andre



thanks for your wish cause this times are not good for a free fall.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 00:07

very nice compliment jean, thanks

as the cartoonist robert crumb once joked "they are out to get me 'coz I tell it like it is"



I've been accused of the following:



of "not wanting a settlement"... eh?!? and why on earth not?!?

it's all idle speculation anyway! and a popular male activity aptly describes the speculation

the truth is I couldn't give a monkey's as long as they keep away from me

selfish? arguably so



of having a "vested interest"... hands up the person who hasn't, mother theresa I suppose



and it has even being hinted I'm dishonourable,

because I gladly admit I knew full well beforehand about wingeing greek cypriot "claims"



there is no common ground about what any cyprus compromise would look like,

the nearest they got was the abortive 2004 plan and the sooner the gc's appreciate they binned

that, perhaps their last hope, the better for their sanity tho' that is not really my problem, sorry

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 00:44

tracer;

"my grandmother from diorios "

'Tepebasi/Yorgoz!

So was my grandmother,and lived there happily/ish until 1963.............

Lilli



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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 00:49

two wrongs will never make a right, as a non cyp trying to make a livinh here, they are forcing us out to be the country they deserve to be. i wish you well x

tracer


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 00:56

hey yorgo long time no see.



i hope you are not going to blame my grandmother for 63 .......... we must take 63.....64............74 etc out of our minds and move on yiorko.



ps: how is the baby?

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 01:00

Lilli;

.......also."history always repeats itself",or so they say.



as for "as a non cyp trying to make a livinh here"



As a TC I did not come back to TRNC to work but situations change in life and now I am forced to go to work.So,I get on with it.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 01:02

msg 39;



"move on "



We have.It is YOU that keeps insisting on going back.



ps.baby?