Turkey Wants Solution In Cyprus

Jo Valentine



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 20:57

Published: 7/30/2008



"ANKARA - Turkey`s top general said on Wednesday that Turkey wanted a solution in Cyprus.

Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, the chief of General Staff of Turkey, said that Turkey wanted a fair and lasting solution in Cyprus.



"We should think how we can achieve a fair and lasting settlement," Buyukanit said during a reception hosted at an officers` club in Ankara on occasion of the Armed Forces Day of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC).



Buyukanit said that Turkish troops were in the island for the security of both Turkish and Greek Cypriots.



"If the island is living in peace since 1974 (Cyprus Peace Operation), this is because of the Turkish Armed Forces," Buyukanit also said.



Buyukanit also said that the Cyprus problem was in fact solved in 1974."



Thought this might interest you.

Comments, anyone?



Jo Valentine

Pipie


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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 21:08

Can Turkey keep ploughing money into TRNC , Think they are now saying no .

simma



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 22:56

i would agree that the cyprus problem was solved in 74. isolation in the present day is adifferent problem.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 10:10

"We should think how we can achieve a fair and lasting settlement," Buyukanit said."



Well general. a good start would be pulling out say 15,000 troops with more to follow. It's going to happen anyway.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 12:24

susanne,



Would that be wise without a comprehensive negotiated peace agreement?



After all THERE HAS BEEN PEACE since the 74 intervention.



wynyardman

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:01

My question is:



would anyone who is living, who has bought, or is buying, property in NC, be they TC's, Turks or foreigners, feel that any negotiations would be more favourable to NC if the Turkish Military presence was maintained, reduced, or removed?



Personally I feel that the Military presence is a very strong bargaining point which should only be reduced as part and parcel of a favourable settlement, not before.



Much as people are looking to the EU for a resolution, Turkey is key to US foreign policy, regardless of whether we get Obama or McCain.



Any UK foreign policy will still be joined at the hip to the US, whether we get Cameron, Milliband, or whoever.





I know that some who have been refused PTP due to proximity to Turk military facilities may well want Turk forces out for personal reasons, and I have every sympathy for them, but Turkey is more key to US and ultimately EU policy than Greece is.



I say keep the Turk Forces there, they have maintained a certain stability for over 34 years.



Don't throw your 'ace' away!

ilovecyprus



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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:07

Maintained

Tatlisu4me


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:11

how right you are pike!!



Susanne if Pike said eat yellow snow would you ?

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:33

suzanne,



No killing, no violence, PEACE!



wyn

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:37

susanne



Are you resident in NC or GC?







I see your profile just says 'Cyprus'.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:51

suzanne,



Compare it with just the pre 74 intervention! Why don't you accept reality?



wyn

chick


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 14:14

Suzanne and Pte Pike



I suggest you read the Cyprus Files written by a UN observer written pre 1974

PtePike



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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 18:22

Chick,



Any references for the book you mention?

chick


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 19:51

Pte Pike



Go to the local reference library

newscoop


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 10:18

Genocide files by Harry Scott Gibbons. Available at various outlets and bars.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 10:26

"Genocide files by Harry Scott Gibbons. Available at various outlets and bars"



This is the book that is so laughable that no publisher could be found for it and eventually Denktas agreed to fund it. Says it all.

dodger



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 10:45

Well said Pikey,

Now wheres that yellow snow.

ilovecyprus



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 10:52

you have been dying to say that haven't you Paul

dodger



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 10:56

Yes but only once Mark.

ilovecyprus



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 11:22

susanne



I hope you are referring to the colour not the taste

ilovecyprus



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 11:35

naughty naughty

rtddci


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 11:36

Personally, even though apparently refused PTP due to proximity to an army base, I have no problem with the Turkish army presence in NC. Rather like nuclear weapons, it's what they prevent happening rather than what they do. I am also aware of the huge military strategic importance of NC to Turkey, NATO & the EC. Similar to Gibraltor. Likewise, why the UK (with US support) insisted on keeping sovereign military bases in the south not just because of the Rusian threat but also the Middle East including Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Any solution will have to include sovereign Turkish army bases albeit reduced in number.

Martin

Troodo


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 11:48

Susanne.

Why do you not come over here from the South and repeat some of your idiotic notions to the people who lived through the times before the Greek invasion and the Turkish intervention. You might find enlightenment.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 11:55

Eric

You pertain to live here in the North and say you have TC friends. How can you do that and still spout such continual rubbish. . . . shame on you.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 12:29

Troodo,



I never said I lived there full-time, although I have done and probably will spend a lot more time after reunification. The other thing you have to remember re my TC friends is that the younger people on both sides will swing the vote away from the older conservatives and expats like youself.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 12:32

Martin: "Any solution will have to include sovereign Turkish army bases albeit reduced in number"



The trouble with this is Turkey has no sovereignty anywhere in Cyprus and agreement will have to be made with the new central government over how many troops - Greek and Turkish - should remain after reunification.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 12:58

Eric

Are you and Susanne related?

I also have TC friends, young and old, and this is not what I hear. Watch this space for an election before the end of the year.

It would seem that I am much older than you, perhaps that would exsplain a lot.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

rtddci


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 13:00

PtePike

I agree, although neither does Greece and the UK didn't come to that. Can you see a situation where the are 3 sets of sovereign bases?

Martin

newlad



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 13:18

Mark,

You seem to have become very repetive,repetitive, all of a sudden.

bradus


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 14:10

Is the book being referred to David Carter's UN in Cyprus since 1964? If so you can get a taste of its contents from:





http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/Davidcarter/UNFICYP.html





Better look away Suzanne, it certainly does not support your views and statements.

ilovecyprus



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 15:46

not sure what you are saying, what you are saying Paul

ukturk



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 15:50

hi guys

most of you forget turkey did own cyprus for many years until turkey actually rented out cyprus to the british empire and as usual the empire decided to keep it for themselves and not give it back which was illegal then soon after turkey gave up its right and hold of cyprus when turkey signed the declaration,

now some people seem to think that if cyprus does unify that the tukish army should be sent back to turkey this i dont agree with firstly the turksih cypirot army is very thin and i cant see a cypriot army with 70-80% greeks and 20% turks this wont work out

secondly if the turkish army does leave what about the british army why should they stay on the island just because they were sneaky when they signed away cyprus they had a clause that they could keep army bases in the country sods law in my eyes

and thirdly the percentage of greek mainland army should also be sent back to greece then

i might be wrong but there is no way southern cyprus will agree to let a percentage of turkish army to stay in cyprus they cant even agree on turkish settlers staying there



to people who say some of us like to live in the past you are sadly mistaken we hate to live in the past but our past we cant forget because it is our familes that suffered and its what makes us who we are in modern times aswell as our future and until you have lost family like this you cant even comprehend on what happend by just reading stories and propaganda, try saying this to the jews or to the african americans or the blacks in the south africa aswell as many more to get over their past and see what kind of remarks and response you will get not a nice one i assure you!!!!!!!!

ukturk



p.s just for the record turkey has always said they want a solution for cyprus as long as turkish cypriots population dont suffer and become second class citizens all over again dont you guys think turkey would love to have the financial burden lifted of them

ilovecyprus



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 15:50

I'm after my five stars Paul. Not far to go

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 17:29

ertan

"do we want too live in the past" so many people ask this question some more

than others ,this is how i see it ... unification is living in the past ,separation

is the future and i believe when it comes too the wire most t/cs all agree .

why would we go back to being second class citizens in our own country ,

being treated like animals, some people might say thats a little strong i say to

those people ,you didn,t live through it so don,t judge just respect people and treat them equal and watch how much further they will go.

offer a turk a cup of coffee and you will get a friend for life,do we want too live in the past .....no thanks

best regards

long live the trnc

musin

chick


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 17:58

Bradus message 39. Yes that is the book.



Pte Pike no it is not the GENOCIDE FILES, and the genocide files was published in England.



Suzanne, are you the susie fiszman THE QUEEN of LIMASSOL

windmill


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 19:46

SUSANNE AND PIKE ARE THE SAME PERSON,

ilovecyprus



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 19:50

what makes you say that windmill? The structure of their writing is different what clues do you observe?

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 19:50

steven





we know

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 19:54

ilc



thats intentional





regards

musin

ilovecyprus



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 19:56

okay Musin

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 19:56

Windmill,



Care to share your evidence?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 20:01

Chick: "...and the genocide files was published in England..."



Unless Rustum of Lefkosa is actually Rustum of England, I think you are mistaken. No publisher outwith the TRNC would touch in on the grounds that it is b*llocks and contains not one single balancing reference in the bibliography. No serious analyst of Cyprus would touch it with a bargepole either.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 20:04

Martin,



I can see the Brits retaining sovereign bases because those areas of Cyprus are still British territory. Greece and Turkey would probably have their contingents around Nicosia as before, though in reduced numbers. The goal would be to demilitarise the island completely.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 21:36

p-p:



whose goal?



andre

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 21:42

andre





good question





musin

chick


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 21:45

Pte Pike



It was published by Charles Bravas 1997



and written by a respected journalist and is obtainable in any library in the UK

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 21:53

doreen

ignore him he is anti turkish ,he will say his not, however just read his posts



and then tell me if his not ,maybe its my imagination ,i think not.





musin

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 22:04

Pike



Bit confused here!



You say the goal would be to demilitarise the island completely,.... but still see Sovereign bases staying??



'Whose goal' is a very pertinent question.



At present the island has Greek/GC military presence as well as Turk/TRNC, Sovereign and some US presentation as well as UN green line forces.



By what assumption do you claim the 'Sovereign' areas are still 'British' territory?? So was Aden at one time.



Which of these forces (or all) are you advocating the removal of?





rob

phylray


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 22:14

Haven't read the book, but I have read "The End of Friendship" by a T.C. British

trained (wartime) nursing sister who lived through the 'troubles'. Has anyone

read it?

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 22:18

robnjo

it may be a fitting question, but i believe you will not get a fitting answer.





musin

ukturk



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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 22:50

hi

this is the thing that gets on my nerves which i said in my previous post, how the hell can you say its ok for britain to retain their bases on the island because its british land (what a load of bull) but its not ok to have a turkish miltary presence in the north keeping the peace where the british army are there just there for their own purpose, but you dont hear the gc's bang on about them leaving the country do you, thats why cyprus will never belong to the cypriots either it be the turks or the greeks because we will always have outside interferance from the u.k, u.s u.n

regards

ukturk



p.s can anyone explain to me whose goal would it be to get rid of the turksih army from the north

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 23:07

hi ertan



it was pp who posted the remark ,however we are still waiting for his reply

if indeed we get one ,he doesn,t normally dissapoint as he has all the answers



eyi aksamlar

musin

bradus


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 23:13

Phylray,



Was that the book where Greeks went into Nicosia hospital and removed all patients that were TC's and their bodies were later discovered in a mass grave?

phylray


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 23:30

bradus

I'm not sure, but there were other similar chilling accounts from first

hand experience. The lady is still alive & lives with her sister in N.Cyprus

to my knowledge. She recalls school days in mixed Greek/Turkish schools

& won a scholarship to study in England along with only one other (Greek)

student. Her father was very liberal for the time, & she travelled alone, during

wartime. Yes, later she does recount male nurses being shot in her own flat,

& other atrocities. Interesting photos. of the time also. You do get a clear picture of what it was like to live in Cyprus as a t.c. in those days; the feelings

of isolation and helplessness, while powerful propaganda was played out through the Greek controlled media.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 01:03

ROBnJO: "You say the goal would be to demilitarise the island completely,.... but still see Sovereign bases staying??"



To clarify, demilitarise Greek and Turkish Cyprus.



Whose goal? The international community (and its taxpayers).



Why UK sovereign territories? Look up the Cyprus independence agreements.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 01:06

chick: "Pte Pike It was published by Charles Bravas 1997

and written by a respected journalist and is obtainable in any library in the UK"



Are you saying it was published in the UK? What's its ISBN number? And who is the "respected journalist"? And respected by whom?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 01:11

UKTURK: "this is the thing that gets on my nerves which i said in my previous post, how the hell can you say its ok for britain to retain their bases on the island because its british land (what a load of bull) but its not ok to have a turkish miltary presence in the north keeping the peace where the british army are there just there for their own purpose, but you dont hear the gc's bang on about them leaving the country do you, thats why cyprus will never belong to the cypriots either it be the turks or the greeks because we will always have outside interferance from the u.k, u.s u.n"



The UK retained its sovereign territorries in Cyprus as part of the independence agreements. They are recognised under international law as being British territory. Turkey seized north Cyprus by force and is seen as an invader and occupier by the entire world.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 01:17

PHYLRAY: "bradus I'm not sure, but there were other similar chilling accounts from first hand experience. The lady is still alive & lives with her sister in N.Cyprus to my knowledge. She recalls school days in mixed Greek/Turkish schools & won a scholarship to study in England along with only one other (Greek) student. Her father was very liberal for the time, & she travelled alone, during wartime. Yes, later she does recount male nurses being shot in her own flat, & other atrocities. Interesting photos. of the time also. You do get a clear picture of what it was like to live in Cyprus as a t.c. in those days; the feelings of isolation and helplessness, while powerful propaganda was played out through the Greek controlled media."



As a self-proclaimed academic, do you feel the fact that this book was only published in the TRNC, and even then only thanks to funding by the Turkish administration, could compromise its credibility air balance in any way?

chick


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 09:59

Pte Pike.

I have loaned the book to someone when I get it back I will supply you with the imformation you require.



Phyray& Bradus.

I am not sure if it is the same book, but I did read one written by a Nursing Nun

hair raising.

bradus


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 10:02

The fact that the book was published in the TRNC and received funding from the Turkish administrtion does not compromise its credibility. I'ts the sources within a book that are the most enlightening as to its accuracy.



For instance if it contains documentation from reliable sources like the Red Cross, UN, reports from both TC and GC witnesses, not to mention it being supported by photographic evidence and reported in a range of international newpapers across the world, you then have the opportunity to carry out further research to support the evidence.



I have often wondered why people display such blatant animosity to the TRNC and at times the TC's? Perhaps their propensity to "rubbish" anything other than their own self picked literature and documentation, that suits their cause and allows them to refute all other evidence is the reason they have such an unbalanced view.



As for self proclaimed academics, David Irving springs to mind, with his Holocaust denial. Surely we all recognise this was just anti-semitism dressed up as intellectual debate?



Happy reading.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 10:20

Bradus: "For instance if it contains documentation from reliable sources like the Red Cross, UN, reports from both TC and GC witnesses, not to mention it being supported by photographic evidence and reported in a range of international newpapers across the world, you then have the opportunity to carry out further research to support the evidence."



And how many balanced and reliable sources do either of these books reference?

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 10:26

bitter lemons by gerald durrel

chick


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 10:28

Pte Pike.

ISBN: 0951446428(hbk)



Are you happy now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bradus


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 10:30

As many balanced and reliable sources as you continue to quote and state as fact.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 10:45

chick,



Thanks for the ISBN - the book's still trash though!

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 10:46

Bradus: "As many balanced and reliable sources as you continue to quote and state as fact."



Tricky one to answer, eh?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 10:48

"bitter lemons by gerald durrel"



Excellent book. Required reading for amyone with a historical interest in Cyprus and Kyrenia in particular. Many LOL moments.

edmund


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 10:58

"Bitter Lemons" by Gerald Durrell



Many LOL moments. Really, I bet Lawrence wouldn't be laughing if he could read that.

bradus


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 11:24

Pike.....it is tricky...but keep trying .

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 11:27

edmund,



It is an excellent book. No need to mock the bloke for getting the wrong brother. Anyway, I actually met one of the main characters, since assassinated, so there!

edmund


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 11:38

Agree, an excellent book.

If I could work out how to put a 'wink' on my posts I would have.

No mocking intended - sorry.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 12:17

Pte Pike



You appear to be the Ubermeister of sweeping generalisations.



Let's have a look:



"To clarify, demilitarise Greek and Turkish Cyprus."



Does that include Sovereign, US, NATO and UN presence?



"Whose goal? The international community (and its taxpayers)."





Which 'International' community exactly? EU?, Western Economies? Arab States? Soviet Bloc? Far East? Bric Economies? 3rd world? UN?

I understand Russia has signed a Concordat with Turkey accepting the independance of the TRNC leading to a big increase in Russian investment and property purchase. Israel is also another country investing in the TRNC.



Your generalisations are deeply floored and inaccurate.



So where has demilitisation and re-unification of a former Country worked exactly?



Balkans?



Eastern Bloc?



Tibet?



Etc.



As I said before, Aden was once 'Internationally' recognised as Sovereign land.



An afterthought,... where were these Sovereign forces, with NATO and UN support, of one of the worlds strongest countries in 1974?



They appeared to melt into the background and accept Turkish action.



I know there were losses, but lets face it, there was no 'International' attempt at preserving the Greek stance.







Last night was a 'Dad's Army' night on TV, so I feel quite happy in saying:



" Pike,... You Stupid Boy!!"

ukturk



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Message Posted:
03/08/2008 15:40

hi

pike

"The UK retained its sovereign territorries in Cyprus as part of the independence agreements. They are recognised under international law as being British territory. Turkey seized north Cyprus by force and is seen as an invader and occupier by the entire world."



you claim to know about cyprus how do you think the u.k came to own or have any rule over cyprus let me explain to you in case you dont know



in the late 1800's the empire and the ottoman empire which ruled cyprus done a secret deal at the cyprus convention which where the u.k took over the government by the means of protectorate for exchange of support at the cyprus convention because of the russo and turkish war

then at the start of the first world war the british empire annexed cyprus (for anyone who dont know what annexed means it is to take a territory as if by conquest) this was deemed illegal and wrong but because the empire was such a force in them days no one said nothing of it!!!!

and then in the mid 1920's when the ottoman empire fell apart the british empire made cyprus a crown colony again wrong but no one said nothing about it and why do you think the eoka was formed because apart from trying to wipe out the turks they were also trying to get the brits out who took over the island by the means of divide and rule who even made turkish cypriots police and arrest eoka members because they were to gutless to do it themselves which in turn caused bad blood between the tc's and the gc's where before they lived relativley in peace



so dont tell me about turkey seizing cyprus, because they only interviend and helped the turkish cypriots have some land for themselves which they lost previously, the only seizing was done by the british empire they took over all of cyprus so get your defination straight about the word seizing and remember its not one law for one and another law for another

ukturk

PtePike


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