The month of Ramadan will be with us soon

elko2



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 11:45

Good Muslims will be fasting as usual from morning till night for thirty days. They say it is good for blah blah but is there any evidence from non-muslim sources? If you believe in it it is easy to be convinced. I am a difficult person

ismet

taraakadli


Joined: 30/07/2010
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 11:53

good luck to them i say, last year i saw an elderly cypriot woman fall down from dehidration as she was fasting. Can you imagine how hard it will be for them this year? in this heat? i dont think its the not eating that gets to them, its the not drinking. But then again iv heard of some muslims who dont eat from morning till night but drink water during the day. i dont blame them but it is bending the rules i supose.

elko2



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 11:58

Oh no, drinking water is definitely out. When it comes to bending the rules, the Saudis are the best. They sleep all day long and all the markets and shops are open all night. So they simply switch over day and night. Work? What is that?

ismet

kanga


Joined: 17/06/2010
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 12:03

some of the people i know sleep during the day and say that they are fasting,they dont work of corse just spend time in the coffie shop. Good luck to all and their belifs we are all the same

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 12:24

elko, the proof is in the pudding.

I can no more describe the spiritual and welbeing benefits of fasting, than i could describe to you what it is like to swim.

give it a go, if even for a few days

nigetj


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 12:29

my DH as returned home to Abu Dhabi today ...where he will resume training their army in the desert ..in thuis heat ...and they will all be fasting .......i don't envy him one bit .

There even ex pats are not allowed to eat drink in public ...all coffee shops etc close ......and the accident rate goes up .....

Ramadan Kareem eveyone xx

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 12:54

Fasting is not just a Muslim thing. It forms the basis of many spiritual traditions and is a way of moving closer to god or being in a state of Nirvana. Harvard psychologist Will Schutz, who developed a psychological model for the US navy was a strong believer in fasting. He combined body practices such as fasting with psychological principles to develop a continuous state of joy.



Many Muslims fast to get closer to god, some enjoy the freedom that the mind and body enjoys from fasting, but my belief is that most Muslims fast because it's a cultural thing. They do so because others do so.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 13:20

no proper bread in the shops for johnny foreigner just that flat stuff yuk

smoggyjim


Joined: 21/07/2007
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 13:40

Will most of the restuarants and bars stay open during the day as we are over starting the 13th.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 13:47

When I was younger I used to fast for one day a month throughout the year. It is easier in the summer months but this was in the UK. Elderly and people with medical problems should not fast, neither should the very young. The money saved on this day was given to the poor and this was the reason for fasting, to enlighten us on what half the world experience on a daily basis. I don't know if muslims give the money saved to the poor or not or whether it is just for them to experience a closeness to Allah. I do know they are not to smoke either during fasting hours and this is much more difficult for them to do. Many male muslims become extremely bad tempered during Ramadan and it is the lack of cigarettes rather than the food that is the problem.



The butlers wife

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 14:00

ismet in short we ismaili muslims follow the aga khan who is the 49th imam and direct decendent of our prophet by linear decent from his daugher Fatima and grandson Hussein is for us we do not have to fast .charity and helping the poor is our sacfrifice for the 21st century .fasting in the 6th century was okay then we have the choice to either fast or do good deeds

even our first Imam Ali was born in the kabba,yet we dont have face east to pray as God is everywhere

left right behind and up this is 21st century thought

lastly we dont have to pray five time and certain times for us a moment here and then in the day remembering God is excepted as he is always there to hear your love for Him , better this then missing prayers ,fasting , and facing east as a rule is dificult and many muslims dont today pray because they miss their prayer times which is better in the 21st cenury God gave us interlect use it cheers

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 14:05

I know that some people, even if they don't fast, nevertheless abstain from taking alcohol that month. Now the more interesting question: is sex allowed during the month? I really don't know.

ismet

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 14:12

for 6th century muslims no

for 21st century yes you may

cleanse your mind before praying though

possibly shower

How can God set rules in this time and age

He is most forgiving

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 15:10

Ismet, message 12 - As long as you don't eat one another!

NanaJan



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 15:42

Having lived for many years in Saudi Arabia I can tell you that sex is not allowed during daylight hours in Ramadan. Travellers and the sick or pregnant ladies do not have to fast. Travellers have to make up the days lost at the end of the time and so if they travel for two days then they have to fast for two days after the end of the time.



True most offices are only open in the mornings during that time and then close for most of the day and some open in the late evening time after they have eaten.



We always found it a happy time in that they celebrate each evening with big meals and parties rather like having Christmas dinner every evening for a month. Most do fast. Also the hotels and coffee shops close the restaurants during the day but are open most of the night.

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 15:45

reply to message 12

all food and drink and intercourse is forbidden between dawn and dusk for the 30 days

like every day, muslims are to give 2.5% of wealth that is not invested to charity.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 16:19

message 12 who has given 2.5% they all say after expenses!!!

ismailis have to give 2.5 plus 8% of earnings for the poor every month

how many practice exactely by the rules

i hear in soudi they whip you if you dont fast is that true

interprete the koran i can email you questions and answers by a convert christian to muslim

jimmykibris


Joined: 20/07/2010
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 16:25

if only all Muslims or is it moslems were as tolerant of others views as they expect their views to be respected/ tolerated / conformed to .



by the way trnc is secular country.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 16:43

Christianity, like many religions derive many of their rituals from pagan religions. E.g. the burying of the precious grain seed in the spring in the hope that it will be resurrected into a crop of wheat. Feeding and fasting coincide with times when food is about to run low or spoil, e.g. the Christmas feast, or has run out, e.g. Lent fasting. Two thousand years ago this was necessary to survive. For me, the ability to give up things for a while shows that these things do not control your life.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 16:51

re msg 12 "Sex during Ramadan".. I here that the local Iman - on reading this thread- is seeking the times and dates that your offspring were born ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 16:52

re msg 1



May we presume that you are a 'bad' Muslim ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 16:55

re msg 20 - do you think if I fasted I might spell better .... I 'HEAR', even :(

malsancak


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 17:07

M6, spelling gets worse during fasting and it makes you slow!

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 17:18

Msg 12

'is sex allowed during the month?'

I count my abstinence by the decade!



Richard

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 17:21

Shame the muslims have actually forgotten the purpose of Ramadan. They are supposed to not eat between sun up and sun down, and are supposed to donate that food to those less fortunate then themselves, thereby not only helping others but also appreciating their plight.



Having never fasted as a non-practicing Muslim, who want's to go to heaven anyway, where they sing to pot plants and such. I'd sooner go to hell where all the more Ghengiz Khaninan activities are supposed to take place.



It's much more fun. That's where all the non virgins are.

nigetj


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 18:29

Living in a muslim country and havin been there for 5 ramadams .......they all put up tents in front of villas/in streets etc to feed all the workers during this month

they replace lots of furniture etc every year and leave what they are getting rid of outside villas etc ..for the less fortunate

it is a time for families to forgive any wrong doings etc

from sun rise/sunset......nothinhg must pas the lips ...ucannot eat/drink/smoke/chew gum /etc

and if muslim refrian from sexual activiyys at these times

they brake the fast with the call to prayer and have some amazin iftar buffets

if u have muslim neighbours /etc they will bring u food

at the end of ramadam is eid (there are 2 eids a year )

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 18:38

but the best thing nigeti

is knowing when you get up and it is still dark, to prepare your food for your family, you know millions of others are doing exactly the same thing. I would have said billions but because of the time difference amongst nations.

truly awe inspiring feeling of unity

Pippie


Joined: 02/12/2009
Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 18:52

I was raised a Christian. I re-read my bible a couple of years ago and then read the Q'uran last year. There are many similarities I was surprised to see (being pretty ignorant of Islam and the Muslim faith at the time) - such as what is said in prayers, the requirement to believe in one God, to remember God frequently, not worship other idols or people as an equal to God, do good deeds and give to charity and others, NOT to eat pork (!) or any food that still has blood in it (ie, only halal food), to be faithful to your spouse etc. etc.



I consider myself to be a Christian Muslim.



Of course there are other rules in Islam for the Islamists to follow (eg, fasting during Ramadan, praying 5 times a day) and Islam is said to be the culmination of the previous religions of Judism and Christianity. Many people claim that they are Muslim, yet they do not observe their faith so how can they call themselves Muslims? I'm not sure what would be the correct word to use for those people.

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:40

pippie,

sinning does not take you outside the fold of islam, only disbelief in the oneness of god and that mohammed is his messenger.

and so by extension

if you drink alcohol but belive it is wrong you are still a muslim

etc

jimmykibris


Joined: 20/07/2010
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:44

pippie if you were a muslim and converted to Christianity are you aware of what lies ahead for you ??

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:50

jimmy how many cypriots or brits in cyprus have been exiled or put to death for apostacy , in the last few hundred years?

jimmykibris


Joined: 20/07/2010
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:53

as previously stated Cyprus/ trnc is a secular country

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:09

who have believed, and the Jews, the Christians and the Sabaeans, whosoever believe in God and the Last Day and act righteously, they shall have their requital from their Lord and shall neither fear nor grieve. ' (2:62, 5:69)

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:11

'Say. We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was given unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims to Him' (111: 84)

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:12

Why do you not turn your faces to Mecca during prayers

Because the Quran doesn't require it! I'd much rather go straight to the Quran for guidance in this matter. 'To God belongs the East and West. Withersoever ye turn, there is the presence Of God. For God is all-pervading, All-Knowing (2. 115)

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:14

further infor all who seek answers

The Quran has prescribed only three regular prayers and we offer them daily at the prescribed times. To support my statement for three prayers, I refer you to the following Quranic Ayats (verses):(11: 114; 2: 233; 3:191; 17: 7

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:15

Isn't it unlslamic for Ismaili Muslim women not to cover their faces when in public?

No! The Quran has not asked for it. The Quran asks the believer of each sex to 'lower your gaze and guard your chastity.'

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:17

in the quran about jesus

What was it that babe Jesus said to the accusing townsfolk as per the Quran?

Something quite amazing! He said:

1. I am the servant of God.

2. He gave me the Book and made me a Prophet.

3. He made me blessed wherever I might be.

4. He enjoined on me the Prayer and Almsgiving as long as I am alive.

5. He enjoined on me to be kind to my mother

6. Peace be the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I will be raised up.

And as for my converting to Islam, let me clarify that I am a better Christian now, more enriched than ever... I have not distanced myself from Christ by accepting Islam, but instead I have come closer to him.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:24

I hope I have not bored you readers about the koran but ramadan is close and what better some points that link us all to ONE excuse me for bombarding this on you

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:08

basheer,

what percent of muslims are ismali?

and do you know of any rulings that say obeying Mohammed as well as the quran sourced from the quran. i.e islam is quran and sunnah and not just quran

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:18

sunnah?

History tells us that self-seeking Muslims after the Prophets demise coined their own hadiths (sayings) and ascribed them to the Prophet just to serve their own ends. Bukhari, a reliable Sunni hadith analyst only found 4000 of the 600,000 hadiths to be authentic. Why should I then believe the Quran has not been tampered with?

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:19

1/'Oh Apostle! Deliver what hath been revealed to you from your Lord. And verily if you did not do this, you have not delivered His message, and Allah will protect you from the people. Surely Allah will not guide the unbelieving. ' (5:67)



The above verse came at a time when the Muslim community was returning home from Mecca after the Prophet's last pilgrimage. The revelation came as a reminder of some previously revealed command not yet carried out by the Prophet. God had never used such harsh words when addressing His beloved Prophet, and here He clearly threatens to wipe out his total prophethood and mission of 40 years If he failed to carry out a certain command

basheer



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:20

2/What was that previously revealed command that the frightened Prophet was hesitating to convey to the people? Why was he afraid of the people from whom Allah assures him divine protection? He was commanded to declare Ali as his successor. The Prophet was keenly aware of the hostility among his own companions against Ali as he happened to be his cousin and son-in-law.

basheer



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:21

3/But, Allah's angry threat caused the frightened Prophet to waste no more time... The Prophet ordered immediate rounding up of the homebound pilgrims lest Allah should carry out His threat against him. Those who had gone ahead, were called back. An assembly of about 140,000 people was gathered at Gadir-e-Khuum, an oasis in the desert. Ali on his side, the Prophet got up on a make-shift platform made out of saddles and declared Ali as his heir, successor, and their master.



'Ali is the Lord of those whose Lord I am. Oh Allah, love those who love Ali, hate those who hate Ali and let the truth be with Ali until the Day of Judgment'

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:22

4/The huge audience acknowledged Ali as their master. Omar was the first to congratulate and pay his allegiance to Ali but broke it as soon as the Prophet passed away., As soon as Ali was declared his successor, Allah sent a revelation to say that He had perfected the Prophet's religion and was pleased to name it Islam

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:23

hi Basheer

don't mean to be pushy but can i ask the question again

what percentage of muslims (ball park figure) are ismali

and do you know of any quranic verses that say we should obey mohammed

regards

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:31

5/Allah kept out Ali's name from the above verse. The Prophet knew who the verse was about but Othman didn't. We know who it is referring to from the immediate reaction of the Prophet who rushes to declare Ali and also from Allah's reaction who perfects the imperfect religion as soon as Ali has been declared: Sunni experts have advanced different illogical interpretations of 'Today I have perfected your religion'. None of them have made sense to me.



Had Othman known the verse referred to Ali, he would certainly have dropped it from his compilation. It was this verse that ended the era of prophethood and launched the beginning of the era of Imamat

WHO ARE THE ISMAILIS FOLLOWS

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:34

Was there anything in Quran to indicate Ismaili faith was the right answer?

Yes, indeed! I'll quote the verse: Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran above all people - a line of descendants, one succeeding the other, and Allah heareth and knoweth all things' (3: 33, 34)

There's another verse in the Quran where Allah says:

'0 ye, who believe, obey God and the messenger and those in authority amongst you' (4:59)

Once I was convinced that Muhammad was Allah's last and final prophet, Islam His final message, and the Quran His final book in which all His previous messages and messengers had been acknowledged, all I had to do was to look for a living guide or Imam that was both from the progeny of Imran and the Prophet. The Quran says that Ale-Imran (the progeny or descendants of Imran) will be on earth till the day of Judgment. Ali, the son-in-law and cousin of the Prophet, was the son of Imran who was popularly known as Abu-Tallb. Imran (Abu-

basheer



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:34

Once I was convinced that Muhammad was Allah's last and final prophet, Islam His final message, and the Quran His final book in which all His previous messages and messengers had been acknowledged, all I had to do was to look for a living guide or Imam that was both from the progeny of Imran and the Prophet. The Quran says that Ale-Imran (the progeny or descendants of Imran) will be on earth till the day of Judgment. Ali, the son-in-law and cousin of the Prophet, was the son of Imran who was popularly known as Abu-Tallb. Imran (Abu-Talib) was the Prophets paternal uncle and guardian. As for any other Shia sects, there is no living guide in them, so my task to locate the Ismaili sect became quite easy

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:42

20% OF MUSLIMS ARE SHIAS AND OF THAT THERE ARE 20 MILLION ISMAILIS HOLDING THE ROPE

THOSE THEN WHO REFUSED ALI AS LEADER CREATED THEIR OWN SEC CALLED THE SUNNI BEFORE THAT WE WERE ALL ONE,THE SUNNIS WIPED OUT THE FAMILY OF OUR PROPHET TO ENSURE POWER

AND WHAT THE ISMAILIS HAVE DONE FOLLOWS

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:45

an lushan WHEN SOMEONE SAYS WHO ARE ISMAILIS THIS THE ANSWER Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran above all people - a line of descendants, one succeeding the other, and Allah heareth and knoweth all things' (3: 33, 34)



There's another verse in the Quran where Allah says:



'0 ye, who believe, obey God and the messenger and those in authority amongst you' (4:59)S THE ANSWER

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:50

who Ismaili Muslims are?

Certainly! Ismaili Muslims are a Shia sect of Islam headed by their 49th imam, their spiritual leader, His Highness Prince Karim Agakhan who is, also, a direct and hereditary descendant of Prophet Muhammad.

Soon after the Prophets demise, there was a split. contrary to the Prophet's will and wishes, one faction decided to elect Abu-Bak air, one of the Prophet's companions as Khaliph (temporal ruler), and accept the Quran, the Holy Book of Islam, for guidance, instead of the Prophet's designated successor, Ali, in spite of -the oath of allegiance they had already given him. This group called itself 'Sunni.'

The second group decided to abide by the will of the Prophet and stay loyal to his successor, Ali. They came to be known as 'Shias.' The Shias accepted Ali and his hereditary descendants as the guides and heads of the faith.

GO ON THE WEB FOR ISMAILIS ISMAILI HISTORY AND AGA KHAN FOR YOUR INFORMATION

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:56

Ismaili Muslims are a Shia sect of Islam headed by their 49th imam, their spiritual leader, His Highness Prince Karim Agakhan who is, also, a direct and hereditary descendant of Prophet Muhammad.

Soon after the Prophets demise, there was a split. contrary to the Prophet's will and wishes, one faction decided to elect Abu-Bak air, one of the Prophet's companions as Khaliph (temporal ruler), and accept the Quran, the Holy Book of Islam, for guidance, instead of the Prophet's designated successor, Ali, in spite of -the oath of allegiance they had already given him. This group called itself 'Sunni.'

The second group decided to abide by the will of the Prophet and stay loyal to his successor, Ali. They came to be known as 'Shias.' The Shias accepted Ali and his hereditary descendants as the guides and heads of the faith.

basheer



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 21:59

the Ismaili I Muslims Who ruled in Spain for, over 200. years in the 13th century. This period of their rule was known as Fatimid period, named after Fatima, the Prophet's daughter...



During the medieval period, 1000 years ago, there came into existence, AI-Azhar, the world's well-known university in Cairo, Egypt, followed. by Dar-es-Sana College of Industry in Sicily; Dar-ut-Tib, Medical College at Palermo, Sicily; University of Cordova in Spain. Some of the largest libraries were established in Alexandria, Egypt; Cordova, Spain with 400,000 volumes; at the Academy called Fatimid Bait-ul-Hikmat at Cairo with books estimated at 2 million volumes; the library at Tripolis in Syria had about 3 million volumes.

When in Egypt, I learned about all their glorious past and positive contributions to the society of the time. 'Kahira' was the name of Egypt's capital. Later it became corrupted to 'Cairo.' Kahir was the name of the Ismaili Imam Al-Kahir around that time, and the capital had

basheer



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:02

an lushan i CAN EMAIL YOU THE INFOR i HAVE IF YOU INTERESTED

jimmykibris


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:06

and where in islam does it prescribe female circumcision ??

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:07

Thanks.. Basheer - really !

basheer



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:18

Q/and do you know of any rulings that say obeying Mohammed as well as the quran sourced from the quran. i.e islam is quran and sunnah and not just quran

A/an lushan there is a word called zahir meaning surface and batin meaning within

the koran is what arch anger brought all the answers are in it, the sayings of our prophet (hadids)are fine but they are not first hand information Bukari as said earlier found most of them corrupted for personel gains

70% of Bukari hadiths are from ali so who better then first hand information brought down generation to generation to the present day from the direct decendents there is a hadith that the prophet every morning prayed that his decendants(ali hassan and hussein ) be free of sin and error,yes we obeyed the prophet in that but we dont have to copy him

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:23

let me help you out bashir

20 million out of a conservative 1.5 billion = 0.000133%



and to the quranic verses that demand adherence to authentic hadith



Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr and surely, We

will guard it (from corruption)}; [15:9]”



{He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad),

has indeed obeyed Allâh}; [4:80]



{And whoso obey

Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad), then they will be in the company of those on

whom Allâh has bestowed His Grace of the Prophets, the Siddiqûn (followers of the

Prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr As-Siddîq), the

martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!}; [4:69].



(He [Muhammad, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam] does not speak of his own desire,

it is only a revelation revealed)}; [53:3-4].



there are plenty more. But given the overwhelming evidence and proof that the quranic injunction that the sunnah will be preserved one can see why ismailis are only 0.00013

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:31

where in islam does it prescribe female circumcision ? it does not say so in the koran that is important

to know its the book and the answers are there dont turn to cultural beliefs created to suit ones need

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:47

do you know how many muslims are muslims and dont know who their prophet is

ismailis were surpressed ,conquerors like gengis khan's grandson butchered and built a mountain of men women and children, to eliminate the ismailis and their leader for control there could not be two leaders at the same time!Did the americans know of the shias before the invasion?people seek ismailism, ismailis do not seek morids from the Umma

an lushan this is not compasrison ,knowledge from both sides is what makes islam interesting, one topic leads to another

LaptaMike


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:54

wondered for quite a while how the dates for ramadan is decided. Anyone know? I know one year I got a call from my dental hygenist to say she had to cancel my appointment because it would be during ramadan. (She's Egyptian)

LaptaMike


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:58

another thought, allah hope you dont ever need chemotherapy. I didn't eat for 3 months.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 22:59

Msg 62

Something to do with the moon. When it's full everyone goes crazy, damn lunatics!



Richard

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 23:03

Laylat al-Qadr is to be found in the last 10 nights of Ramadan. There is no history in the Quran as to when the specific date is. In Sumatra and Morocco it is celebrated on 27 Ramadan,[4][5] but other cultures celebrate it on the 21st, 23rd, 25th, 27th and 29th.

Among many Shia Muslims — including the Ismailis — Laylat al-Qadr is observed on the 23rd night of Ramadan, in keeping with traditions received through Imam Ali and his wife Bibi Fatimah Zahra, the Prophet’s daughter.[6] The tradition is also said to have been articulated by Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq and other Shia Imams.

• These are not scientific in any nature, all these observations are not FACT. They may/may not happen on the given day and do not relate to laylatul qadr

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 23:08

thanks basheer but it didn't mean much to me. Being a non practicing Christian I am more used to the Gregorian calendar. (Think thats the right name for the modern western calendar, could be wrong)

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 23:14

The following Hadith should prove sufficient to explain the meaning of Kauthar, which says:

"Two things I am leaving amongst you after me, the Qur'an and my posterity; verily, if you follow them both you will never go astray. Both are tied with a long rope and cannot be separated till the day of Judgment."14—Prophet Muhammad (s.a.s.).

If Kauthar is not to mean 'Abundance in Posterity' then how could our Holy Prophet be speaking of 'MY POSTERITY' in his hadith? The Holy Imams through his daughter Bibi Fatima and Hazrat Murtaza Ali are his posterity on this earth who arc to be followed and obeyed implicitly.

"And hold fast, all of you together, to the 'Rope of Allah' (Hablillah), and be not divided." —Holy Qur'an, Ch. 3. : v. 103.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 23:16

The Holy Qur'an says: _

"One day We shall call together all human beings with their respective Imam: Those who are given their record in their right hand will read it (with pleasure), and they will not be dealt with unjustly in the least. But those who are blind in this world will be blind in the Hereafter, and most astray from the Path." –Ch. 17: v. 71.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 23:17

how come I can't get a straight answer? Are you a politician or something?

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 23:25

Michael I am none of both Ismet got this started and i just want to finish it!!!

I am what ever you want me to be-I am an Historian of some sort and say things to enhance knowledge to ever is interested , a muslim school of thought

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
07/08/2010 02:32

Hi Basheer,



Unfortunately in my profession, I often come across assignments where the students have merely copied and pasted from the internet. I always tell them to redo it. However, in your case I suggest in future you simply give us the link to the web site you are using. That would be easier all round.



I presume what was written in message 65 was your reply to LaptaMike's question as to what decides the start of Ramadan. Well, let me have a go at explaining it :



There are 12 months in the Islamic calender, of which the 9th is Ramadan. Months are lunar, comprising of 29 to 30 days. Doing a bit of math you can thus realise why there are only 354 to 355 days in the Islamic year ... and furthermore why there is an annual drift of 11 to 12 days according to our calender.

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
07/08/2010 02:32

(cont from above)



The start of any month is, as Brinsley stated in message 64, dependent on the moon : When the crescent moon is sighted that signals the close of the previous month, and the start of the next. The traditional method for deciding the start of a lunar month is the sighting of the crescent with the naked eye or a telescope - this method is still used in Saudi Arabia, for example. However, in many countries, including Turkey, astronomical calculations are used to determine when the crescent first appears. This is why Ramadan often starts on different days in different countries.



I hope that helps you Lapta Mike.

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
07/08/2010 12:20

Re : msg 59 - "20 million out of a conservative 1.5 billion = 0.000133%"



20 000 000 / 1 500 000 000 = 1.33 % (approximated to 3 significant figures)



It would appear that you divided by 100, when you should have multiplied.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
07/08/2010 12:33

I think I'll remain a good 'Kiwi' 'Bush Baptist'!



Ah, heck, those 'bacon butties' smell just too tempting - my mouth's watering already - better go and race into them!

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
07/08/2010 15:52

So let me get this straight, in this heat your starving hungry and thirsty all day but as soon as the sun goes down you can eat like a horse, drink like a fish, then have as much sex as you want and this goes on for a month! Does remind me of those 18-30 holidays I used to go on.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
08/08/2010 22:18

mmmmmm this should interest you [SAINT GAZETTE" 22-7-1898]



His Highness The Aga Khan - In the Reign of Queen Victoria.



Her Majesty Queen Victoria had held a Levy, which was attended by

Consuls of all countries, and His Highness the Aga Khan was also invited at this occasion.

When the Aga Khan went there, the Queen herself went to receive him at the door and welcomed him with great respects and made him sit on

the Throne of their Pope.



As soon as the Aga Khan sat on the Throne, the Queen said to all the Consuls,

"What is the reason of your surprise, and what are you thinking of."

The Consuls replied "Up to now, many Indian Kings have come to Europe but

you have given more honours to Aga Khan, and even made him sit on the Throne of our Pope, what is the reason of this?"

The Queen in reply said, "You are all wise and prudent and learned, and you know better than I reason of this."

"In short, I must tell you that we have never seen our religious leader

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
08/08/2010 22:50

Just what does the Quran say about the Mayan calander that stops on 21st December 2012?



Any special celebrations planned? A bit of fasting perhaps?



Its supposedly the end of it all. Its also a Friday, I thought I might take the day off.



And since I gave up hope I've felt so much better.