A VERY BIG SORRY and a VERY BIG THANK YOU !!!!!

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
17/08/2010 19:12

It is with great regret that I am unable to play at Soyz Bar Catalkoy tomorrow (Wednesday) as planned for obvious reasons. May I take this opportunity of thanking EVERYONE who has supported my concerts past and present and look forward to playing for you all again soon !!! kind regards Barry (Snakes and Mrs) (PS I will miss you all) X

MotoMoto


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
17/08/2010 19:30

Err - what are the obvious reasons?

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
17/08/2010 19:57

sorry to here that barry, but i dont blame you, wait and see what happens maybe nothing who knows

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
17/08/2010 20:10

Also dont know what the obvious reasons are, be good to know.

Michael

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
17/08/2010 20:47

Party’s over: ‘shock’ inspection schemes target expat entertainers – tax was not being paid for singers from Turkey and other countries, also by bands and DJs. Inspection also found that ex-pat Cyprus residents were not paying tax and in some cases did not have work permits. In the case of Engelbert Humperdink’s recent visit, Cyprus Today alleged that the hotel “should be paying tax at 20%… but they did not.” A foreign resident needs to get a work permit for every venue they performed at.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
17/08/2010 20:58

Not worth taking the chance, Barry - so sorry - our crowd were all set to come...........



The 'reasons' are ALL in last Saturday's 'Cyprus Today'.



Less revenue for the bar[s] equates to less of a tax take by the government - it's called 'cutting off your nose to spite your face!'

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
17/08/2010 21:04

unless you are a Cypriot entertainer don't need work permit

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
17/08/2010 21:33

Another nail in the coffin for the struggling bars, hotels and restaurants.



Oh yea, all the ex-pats will now queue up to listen to Turkish music in the only places where the entertainers are legit.



Sorry Snakes that I never got to see you.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/08/2010 23:09

im so very sorry barry, this government take your residency money and thats it.For christ sake we are not even old at 60 any more, they are out to ruin us all. Why cant they make a law that actually sticks. I know I couldnt support you as much as i would have liked too but i always beleived in your ability. good luck barry, take your music south side your too good not to perform x

Orlaith


Joined: 04/08/2010
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 01:42

I'm so glad I found this forum. I initially joined to seek advice about the possibility of moving to TRNC. I did get some valuable comments/advice on that front. I also click on other threads in the rest of the forum in order to give an insight into the bigger picture of life there. This thread has been telling.

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 07:37

Shame Barry but can see your point, the goverment dont look further than their nose end, shoot themselves in the foot every time. Its entertainers they are after this week, next week will be a crackdown on somthing else. Should'nt be long now before the economy goes pop, they mainland will pick up the pieces and run the place, get rid of the no brainers once and for all.



D.N

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 07:55

i hear on the old customs network it is the markets going to be the next target ALLstall should be issuing a recipt , the trade fayre at lefkosia was their target a couple of years ago could be karacum , carpenters or lambousa the old guy in customs could not or would not elaberate but was sure markets were the next target.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 07:56

Orlaith, 2 years ago I was blind to certain dificulties when residing in the TRNC. I deeply regret buying my Pre 74 villa which was at the top end of the market. It was deemed 'safe'. After reading many posts on Cyprus 44 of the refusal of permission to purchase on Pre 74 since 2006, especially after forum member Cronus's experience, I am sickened to think I did not do my homework and believed everything I was ever told. It is likely that I will never own my house. Rent before you buy, unless you have huge amounts of money that you can gamble with. As for the work permit situation for Entertainers, that is another story. Barry and I have our own income from the UK to support us both. Barry has been performing for over 40 years. He is not even allowed to perform here for nothing. It has made us re think our lives. I hope that something will happen/change. Without a variety of entertainment available, all hotels, bars, resturaunts may see a drop in profits, even less for the tax man.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 08:33

Snakes has been [and still is] the most accomplished guitarist ever to hit the island - North or South, and I've been here 30 years.



There isn't a Cyp standing that could even come close.



It was impossible to 'do any research' at the time we bought our pre '74 Turkish Title properties, Mrs. Snakes.



Crikey, you've got to put trust somewhere, and the sorry fact is that we were deliberately and blatantly lied to and deceived into buying something, which, although the International community recognise that we legally own, the TRNC, to its enduring shame, doesn't. It certainly takes the shine off things, doesn't it?



Surely, this 'entertainers legality quagmire' is something the Minister of Tourism should immediately address and clarify, before TRNC tourism and associated businesses go 'down the gurgler' any further.

Chicken


Joined: 29/06/2009
Posts: 190

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 08:51

Hi Barry and Mrs Snakes, we will miss you and hope that things can get sorted out (for the better). Please keep us updated. Hopefully you can still do you CD before Christmas and we can continue to enjoy your music.

Marlene and Bernard

gripontrnc


Joined: 27/05/2010
Posts: 69

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 08:57

Hi Barry could you please give me a call 05338354043

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 08:58

John Mss 14, thank you for your kind words about Barry's pure genuis musical qualities and abilities in his performances (yes I know for all you out there that you are thinking 'yeah, she would say that' !!!) but never the less is true, after all this time, he makes the hairs on the back of my neck tingle and resonates with my heart, and thats just not the guitar playing

I did put my trust in everyone that I dealt with here. Even my solicitor/advocate send copies of my private emails to the Developer!!

We are working on a solution. A dear friend last night sent me a message because they know that Barry is hugely upset at the moment, not being able to perform, the most important thing in life he treasures (apart from me and the kids). ' There is no such things as problems. Just situations requiring solutions'

Regards, Helena

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:02

The government has a right and a need to collect tax; the trouble is, it is such a long time since they bothered they haven't a clue how to go about it.

Perhaps some sort of association that can register entertainers might help. At present those who are willing to pay are not sure of the correct procedure and as most TC's don't pay there are few to give them advice.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:03

Hi GriponTRNC, have noted your number, you can also email us with anything you may want to say on bizarre.guitar@yahoo.co.uk . Kind Regards, Helena

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:04

Hi Chicks!! Thank you xx yes, we will keep you informed and Barry will continue to produce his album of his own works, halfway there!! Kind regards, Mrs Snakes

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:13

Hi Troodo, yes the Government have a absolute right to collect taxes, in every Country. They also have a duty to lay out the correct procedures and make it possible for everybody to understand. As I understand it, you cannot be a tempory resident and work. You can be on a 90 day visa and have a work permit, but for Entertainers/Performers, it is almost impossible unless you are contracted to one hotel/bar thus not allowing you to move freely around to each venue. I believe its only one work permit allowed. They simply do not want foreign Entertainers, it takes the job away from a local. Regards, Mrs S

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:34

They simply do not want foreign Entertainers, it takes the job away from a local.







you have hit the nail on the head

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:38

I really don't believe they don't want foriegn entertainers, if that was the case why would they offer a permit for an entertainer to work in one hotel/bar only, doesnt this still take away a job from a local as you say. Somethings wrong and lets hope it can be resolved, the majority of people love a pint and a bit of music, ok ill speak for myself on that one. What would a world be without music ? Good luck Snakes in whatever decision you make.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:41

Snakes



Never had the opportunity to hear you but it would be a shame if you can't play. The government in TRNC are sometimes like a badly run totalitarian state.



Is it possible for a number of entertainers to form a company with a Turkish Cypriot friend as the frontman and work for that company who could supply entertainers to Bars? Cumbersome, but a way round the problem but it probably causes more. Just a thought though



Harold

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:48

harold i think that will be the way forward,and i would think a son or relation of someone influential is setting it up as we speak lol







watch this space

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:49

Cyprusjoker. They do not want foreign Entertainers!! By giving one permit for one hotel/bar only, restricts you immensely. Most establisments do not want to emloy you several times a week, they want and need variety for all thier customers. For some one who actually needs to work as an Entertainer for there only income, this will not provide enough. They do not even want us to buy the houses!! The rule of PTP taking so long to issue (if you are lucky) is so ridiculas, who ever heard of paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for something you do not legally own.........well I did........and many others. Regards, Mrs Snakes

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 09:52

Thanks for your comments Harold and Catalkoykid. We too are trying to find a solution. For anybody that may have some possible aswers, please email us on bizarre.guitar@yahoo.co.uk (polite of course) Regards, Mrs Snakes

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 10:11

Thank you all for your very kind words and support ! At this stage I am not sure what any of us "entertainers" will do ! perhaps get together to try and find a solution with the appropriate government department ? perhaps the larger establishments Hotels and bars should get together and "lobby" the government. I (we)have had some great fun even the night the heavens opened and my equipment got soaked perhaps trying to tell us something. I (we) have met some really lovely people and received some lovely comments and shall never forget the standing ovation at the first performance of my own "Bohemian Rhapsody" it meant so much ! we have had the usual criticism regarding backing tracks by some who have used our studio facilities themselves but thats here and we expect it ! I do play and record most of my tracks myself ie guitars drums bass and keyboards . and invite doubters to witness this to save further comments ! I will now concentrate on my album and perform it in conjunction with..

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 10:14

CONTINUED ... a genuine charity later in the year ! meanwhile we hope everyone looks forward to the day when we can perform to our audiences in a less controlled almost "racist" country Kindest regards Snakes.

johnnybgoode


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 10:28

hi barry.



i know how you feel mate, this has changed my mind and most of the entertainers, that i know from what they love and that's entertaining the ex-pat community, unfortunately this happenes every couple of years, in a few months time it will all blow over, but by then most of the bars won't want any entertainers, as they won't have any customers, and all we'll have to do is wait until xmas/new year for our next gigs, and in my mind there be to many bars closing, by then.

your doing the right thing, like me by not working, as the one's that carry on will be the one's without equipement/money and a large fine to deal with, good luck with the CD, if you need any backing singers let me know,

all the best.

johnny b goode

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 10:33

Mrs Snakes , I am so sorry to hear Barry is upset , you work so hard all your life, plan your retirement , choose to retire in a beautiful place and do what you love to do most play guitar and entertain , and help the NC charities by doing so , and then get kicked in the teeth for doing it , makes no sense to me . It is a real loss to NC , if they had played their cards right , Barry could have been a real asset to NC , very short sighted of them in my opinion . What are the rules if you have a your private premises ?

I really hope someone will come up with a possible solution

Good luck , Pat

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 10:37

Hi Johnny, thanks for your comments. I'm not even allowed to be a backing singer for Snakes!! Many years ago I was in the 'Walthanstow Operatic Society' !!! Luckily, Barry puts his own voice overs many times on his tracks as in his version of Bohemian Rhapsody which has 16 vocal tracks. As said, we are trying to find a solution. Kind regards, Mrs Snakes

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 10:38

Why do the government not make the Hotel, Bar & Restaurant Association responsible for managing the entertainment on the island? All they would need to do would be charge venues an annual license fee for entertainers, the entertainers could be given work permits through the Association and records of tax due and when to pay!



Bound to be other suggestions, the Gov just need to get organised. Start a system valid from say 1 oct give people chance to submit work permit etc back tax could then be claimed fron the day the legislation is made.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 10:40

The bottom line is, 'simbas', that the 'Powers That Be' are TOTALLY complacent.

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 11:40

Barry, Are you still able to do Private Parties??

Alicat


Joined: 27/07/2010
Posts: 73

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 11:58

Dear Barry

As you know we can sit for hours and just watch you play, we think you are just "out of this world" and you only have to look around at the audience and see how much pleasure your music brings, just look at our special dancers, we are sure going to miss our Snakes nights.



From all these posts there is a tremendous amount of support out there and a lot of noise, so hopefully something will come out of this mire and we can all go back to enjoy nights of "magic".



We will be up in front of the queue waiting for that CD, so get working xxxx

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 12:11

Play for free and pass the hat round i am sure it will be full x

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 12:17

Its pathetic finally going to see Barry perform at bar8.8 an d been stuffed again by a goernment that can,t see no further than their bloody nose ends, when bars and restaurants start going under they will have a rethink.

But by then they will have driven most of the expats out,taking with them this countries biggest income their, money.Because the biggest source of revenue for them is the expats money

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 13:05

yes the government has the right to taxes but when an employer has to pay almost 300tl a month in taxes for each member of staff on minimum wage does it encourage them to employ people? plus the double wammy the employer then gets taxed on the amount he pays his staff or has to show as income. May i ask Kimlik card holders can work, but are their tax rates the same my boss is always being told i've got a kimlik. And will the entertainment police be checking their tax records. A big plus might be, at last follow the rest of the world and allow self employment say a tax of 1000 sterling a year before you start work i know of many many xpats who would jump at the chance as it stands to work but would not earn enough to cover accountant and taxes. How can a window cleaner {self employed}start, would need a security bond of $100.000 to start up thats before they spend say 200 tl on my bucket and rag makes for an even playing field.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 13:11

Hi Top Ten,



Totally agree with you, how short sighted the government is. It is not only the uk run bars but the TC bars that are going to suffer from this silly ruling. The tourists want entertainment, the expat residents want entertainment. Entertainers bring in more customers, who drink more and eat more, so that all keeps locals in work. This is going to have a huge knock on effect, when are they going to wake up and realise that they are slowly killing this beautiful country. I am not against entertainers paying their taxes and there must be a way that this can be done, setting up an agency must be a way forward.



The butler

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 13:18

Entertainers have to go to various establishments so how can they earn the minimum wage from one ‘employer’ or are the rules different for entertaining? I always thought you could only have one work permit in this country so learning all the time. Maybe if people didn't discuss other people's business and air their thoughts on matters on this forum which really do not concern them maybe there would not be this crack down. To me work permits are between the individual and the government office and maybe someone who is being hurt by the individual's activity not 50,000 bored people. Who in the entertainment market was being hurt? Pool, house maintenance maybe someone is but if the entertainer is good regardless of nationality the bars will try and employ them to get people in which in turn offers employment to serve the people who come in. About time, employment rules were changed and foreigners able to abide by them! Then get serious!

Activator


Joined: 23/12/2009
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 13:27

Hi Barry



Due out next week and was looking forward to playing at the Soyz bar next month. that appears doubtful at the moment. last time I was there (July) you were playing and there were the power problems. I did help in some way to reinstate the the distboards but by then the days alcohol intake had been quite heavy what with the the dire football result. So applogies for any negative comments from our corner, especially mine as a fellow guitarist I appreciate the last thing you need is disruptions and critisism after all the hard work that is put in. So all that aside we need to band together and work around this. Heres hoping.

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 13:29

The expats have and continue to help, and support, the TRNC achieve a decent ambulance service,blood donor days, a free health type service.Through entertainers like Jonny Lee who puts on free shows and gives his time willingly and gladly to raising funds to help little Ismail and family, expats also organised markets to help the TC couple from Karsiyaka who have lost their home.Who cleans their bloody beaches year after year.The list goes on and on what would happen if the expats decided to say sod it

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 13:44

Barry, nothing beats a live performance from either the entertainers' or the audience's point of view but could you not continue on your circuit with your CD, when it's done, then get the DJ to play it & you have copies to sell to the audience? - I'm sure that because of your reputation you'll already have a lot of people willing to buy anyway, but just a thought to get around this 'moronic' situation. Hope something can be worked out soon.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 13:56

If a plumber, pool cleaner, electrician etc who has a work permit is allowed to work at different houses then why can't an entertainer be afforded the same privelage ? As with most laws passed by this government, the whole thing is barking mad.



You couldn't make it up.



Paul

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 13:59

All it takes is the will to make it work and the government to listen, then lots of entertainment and lots of taxes....

My neighbours brother is a politician (recently resigned from the DP and now we believe with the UBP). Next time I see him will try and bend his ear, but he probably wont listen.

Michael

Revolver


Joined: 29/07/2010
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 14:08

We are-local musicians- also chasing by tax office, so dont take it personal. Last year, they want 25.000TL from me, without giving any reason, they just told me, 'you have pictures on the papers while performing'. One of my friend asked to pay 160.000TL tax.

they should have to chase those big fishes that paying 'funny taxes' instead, chaisng us musicians and entertainers, but hey, this is TRNC; land of the pirates.

This is not only for expat friends and I dont think they are trying to create some space for us. More, they are playing hard on us-locals- and create some space not for us but others from Turkey, especially turkish music performers.

And, Snake, if you want to come down to old tunnel rock bar on friday night, you are welcome to play with us as guest .I am sincere. And please dont consider every turkish cypriot as 'racist'.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 14:40

wouldnt it be nice and easy if the bar or place a musician is playing at could have the tax stopped at source,so the bar would take the tax directly from the performers wage that night or day and give to the goverment.



Surely the tax office could sort that out easily enough,some special fatura book made for all bars and restaurants for performers,taxed at source.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 14:53

Msg 35. Hi Michelle 3012, I am sure it would be deemed as still working, paid or unpaid. They, I would think would not believe you that money never exchanged hand. Please read the artical 'Elvis has left the Country' in todays (Wednesday) Cyprus Today. Kind Regards, Mrs Snakes.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 14:57

Msg 36, Alicat, Thank you for your kind comments and support. One of the many good things coming out of all of this is meeting such lovely, loyal people as yourselves. Kind Regards, Mrs Snakes.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 15:00

Thanks to all of you that have given your positive comments, ideas and good wishes. Regards Mrs Snakes.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 15:16

Message 47 Revolver, thank you for your comments and invite to play ! at my age i'm normally tucked up in bed at midnight ha ha ! i did not mean in any way that Turkish Cypriots are "racist" but the law only allowing Cypriot entertainers to perform in TRNC borders on racism ! I cant imagine anything like that happening in the UK but hey ho ! yes i know ! we are not in the UK. regards Barry

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 15:24

Dave Zerochlor ! It would be a logical way of "policeing" the tax situation but i fear there's more to it than just tax collection ! perhaps the person in the government responsible for entertainment here loves Cypriot music and not western stuff ! Cypriot music to me is like listening to a Dido album based on minor keys and a little depressing so perhaps the suicide rate will also increase in the TRNC ha ha regards Barry

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 15:56

Making the venue responsible for the entertainers tax is a recipe for disaster as the entertainer would nearly always have to pay twice ( never trust anyone else when money is concerned). Make the performer obtain a annual licence, and then also make them responsible for their own tax. The tax authorities would do a snap inspection, and if the performer did not declare that gig on his monthly return, then MASSIVE fine followed by deportment. It keeps everyone honest.

Pretty simple to set up....pretty simple to administer.....

Never be implemented in the TRNC though.

Michael

New TRNC Minister for Administrive Affairs.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 15:57

Todays Midweek Cyprus Today now warns entertainers of "deportation" please be careful out there !

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 15:58

Watch the advertising revenue for cyprus today go down, as most places advertise whom the have singing, playing etc in each week x

jeffsangrace


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 267

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 15:59

Hi Dave re message 48. I agree this would be the most simplest and effective way to move forward - a pay as you work scheme with tax stopped at source and paid over with the Bar's monthly tax payment. The said entertainer would be given a receipt for his / her tax payment on the night and kept as proof of payment for any further Tax spot checks later on. As many entertainers here only work the summer months this would avoid having to pay the tax through the winter months when not working. This coupled with a one off "Entertainers Permit" for say 3, 6 or 12 months with an upfront affordable payment with a license to move freely between Bars. So Simple to sort ------- why don't they.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 16:03

Jeff I realise its a relatively simple thing to initiate and perhaps one of us could show them how to do it but as I said in message 53 I think there is more to it than tax !!! regards Barry

hashi


Joined: 08/07/2010
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 16:51

Having only heard you once Barry I am sorry that we wont hear you again good luck wherever you end up and let us know when you know where that will be.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 17:09

Msg 56, Liz, you make it sound like Cyprus Today's fault. I think it's only giving the warnings so people can make their own minds up - better that than a tap on the shoulder, a police cell and flight out of the country with no chance to pack your bags.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 17:31

AnthonySmith ! Liz is just pointing out that if you scan Cyprus Today's adverts they mostly point to which artists are playing or singing at their venues ! so what is the point in advertising "we are a restaurant or bar selling food and drink" so very little point in spending on adverts hense drop in revenue ! there is no doubt Cyprus Today is trying to help disolve a possible nightmare. I may also point out that liz's establishment rarely provide entertainment (apart from liz herself of course) (only joking Liz) and are still here regards Barry

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 17:37

I know a guy who works there. He told me about this a while back. Inspectors have been about. They are bolting the stable door etc. Hotels, restaurants and bars have suffered from the CTA debacle, the subsequent price increase in air fares, they've been stuck for overdue electricity and now this.

I'm not saying the government is wrong, but the timing could have been better.

I'm not saying the government is right, euither BTW

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 17:55

Oh well Barry you can always say you nearly made it to the West.



I Was looking forward to finally meeting and listening to you. Never mind there is still lots of your stuff on YouTube that Zerochlor put on so all is not lost.



Keep your chin up I am sure this will all blow over soon! This is probably the 3rd time this has happened in the 6 years we have been here.



Chris

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 18:10

Thank you Chris not a good situ for the old blood pressure ! we have met at Guido's at the Ismails meeting. YouTube is not the best place to see or hear anyone as the bandwidth does not allow quality sounds etc ! (not making excuses really ha ha !) Zerochlor always filmed the songs I didnt want him to but thats Dave eh ? on a more serious note I will play again in the TRNC but working on the most "legal" way to acheive this ! I am grateful that I have retired and do not need revenue to survive ! I just enjoy playing and to the occasional audience who may enjoy my stuff ! hope to play to you all soon regards Barry

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 18:32

Well, my self imposed 1 year ban from posting on Cyprus 44 (since 20th August 2009 - 2 days off for good behaviour) is just about up so, for what it's worth, here's my two penny worth.



What Snakes and others have tried to do, has been tried before in fact, "Pearl" was gigging as early as 2006. Here's a link to a video of "Pearl" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcne8ucsX6o when they allowed Jonnie Hawkins to sing with them at the Courtyard in 2007 (when he first came to the island.)

The work permit problem is not a new one!



Personally, I don't feel sorry for any of the entertainers or, anyone working without a permit. Rules are rules. Brit's on here repeatedly complain about free-loaders in the UK, isn't an illegally working tax dodger in Northern Cyprus just the same - you can't have it all ways!



.....cont

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 18:32

There are ways around this problem, but unfortunately, the venue will have to tip up about 1250TL per gig! - so, it is never going to happen, not when the glass grippers want Efes at



2.5TL a pint - I've been to several of Barry's gigs and witnessed the same people at the same tables making one drink last longer than one of Barry's solos.



BTW, An earlier contributor to this thread said "Snakes has been [and still is] the most accomplished guitarist ever to hit the island - North or South, and I've been here 30 years."



IMHO, (I am biased), Snakes is a good guitarist and he is probably the best that has prepared to risk playing without a permit, but he is definitely not the best guitarist on the island. http://www.rock5t4r.com

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 18:49

if his music is as good as his webpage, god help us.



cannot access nothing on that webpage only the little bit of music on the link you posted.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 18:58

Never mind zerointelligence, someone'll come along and vouch for him in a minute

zerochlor


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Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:03

ah, washerman, id proberly say the same about my son also

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:09

If I went to one of the local "nightclubs" and found a young lady that wanted to "entertain" me, what would happen under the following circumstaces:



Please remember that the young lady would presumably be a foreigner with some sort of work permit, also presuming she could only work at one specific venue at a time.



But, these "performers" do perform away from their specific place of work. I have been reliably told they will help you celebrate your birthday on a friends boat, or any other place you choose.



So, if these "artistes" perform at more than one venue, is it possible that Mr Snakes could get a job at a local nightclub and set about his business wherever there was demand! (I believe from reading the press, that he would need regular medicals). Oh, the owners may also need to "look after" his passport!



I always try and look at alternative ways to get around a problem. Am I wrong.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:11

Zerochlor, Washerman is bound to say these these things, he is talking about his son, as Barry's late Father said about Barry!!

On the 27th of July, Washerman emailed us with regards to getting a band together as he had recently seen Barry perform. He told us his Son needs to get back into rehearsing.

He told us that "you and *** can have stand offs. Think it would work great"

Barry at that moment in time did not want to join his band.

As for the bit about 2.5TL a pint lasting longer than one of Barry's solos, you know as well as I do Zero that the Bar concerned had their best nights when Barry was there.

Washerman did not mention in his email to me about getting a work permit for his band. He has also not made it clear if his son legally worked either when gigging as Pearl.

A case of sour grapes comes to mind.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:11

texas

zerochlor


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Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:15

Helena



as his name states,or maybe it should say washerwoman



of course our kids are great



some are greater than others in the parents eyes.



But some will never always tell the whole truth .



washerwoman,oopps,i mean washerman. sort the website out, i tried to contact you from the contact part of your website and i got this .



http://www.rock5t4r.com/contact.html

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:16

Washerman ! i'll vouch for him and say he is a talented young man only a peice of humble advise having heard the download you sent to my email address it would be nice to hear his own interpretation of songs and not a dead copy of what someone has already done ! perhaps if he were to express himself with his own version rather than copy it would bring out a different side of his capabilities. kind regards Barry IMHO (just advise from an old boy)

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:18

Zero, Washerman runs his own Computer Business here.

zerochlor


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Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:20

are you sure its not a website business!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:22

Barry, thanks - it's always better to here from the organ grinder!



He does do his own versions of many songs which don't have to be the same everytime, sticking to the original exactly, is much harder, but then you know this.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:24

Ha Mrs. Snakes, so you must know that we have Work Permits - you have done your homework. Why you want to pick a fight is beyond me - sour grapes come to mind

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:33

Washerman, you started these unpleasant comments in your message 65 and 66 just to stir up trouble. Look at everones posts supporting Barry who has never, ever, claimed to be the best, anywhere, not here and not in the UK. Barry just loves playing and seeing the audience enjoying themselves.

You are asking me "why you want to pick a fight is beyond me"

You are getting silly now. I have no idea of your work permit situation and of Pearl's at the time of giging, neither am I interested.

Please may we get back to the subject.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:39

Washerman ! how can copying be much harder than playing your own interpretation ? I tend to use the main "riffs" for song identity then play my own stuff for variation. What is the point of copying everything it shows very little imagination ! as you say it is nice to hear from the "organ grinder" why didnt your son contact me in first instance ? please lets return to the topic and stop bitching about who is best it really doesnt bother me having played with real geniuses like Jo Satriani please see "youtube" and then slit wrists ha ha regards Barry

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:44

When I repress my emotion my stomach keeps score.

J. Enoch Powell





oh its nice to get back on thread

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:49

Just to change things slightly and to answer a point about Turkish Cypriot guitarists being no good. That is simply not true and appears to be part of the Brits are best at everything brigade.

Go and listen to some of the groups playing in Lefkosa or Gazi Magusa.

Get an Okan Ersan CD and enjoy the sound of a virtuoso musician.

Music was always meant to be fun. Not a competition.

From my reading of today's Cyprus Today it's actually the people working without a work permit or residency permit that they are really after. Well, according to the bloke from the Labour Ministry.

That should put some minds at rest.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 19:52

Snakes - I am not bitching, merely expressing an opinion.



Most enthusiasts like to hear the song in its original format and it is difficult, especially when copying some of the world's best guitarists.



Please don't take this a s a derogatory comment, but playing a song to make it recognizable, but then, filling in the hard bits with w-----g is not to my liking - only my opinion, many will disagree - don't take it personally.



Mrs, Snakes - Unpleasant comments, to stir up trouble???



I think that I did support Barry, I said that he is a good guitarist, but IMHO, not the best - am I not allowed my own opinion?



With regard to the glass grippers wanting Efes at 2.5TL a pint and making it last - this was supposed to be comical - I think that you are being a bit defensive!



It was you who brought my business into this - I wonder why?

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 20:06

Anthony Smith.....Yes we have been to Lefkosa several times, to the music venue with the live band - the name escapes me now, but the guitarist - I think he has won the World's Best guitarist competion or, something, is unreal and the Bass player is treeeeeemendous

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 20:06

Washerman, of course you are entitled to your own opinion, I never said you wasn't !! You have a thing about work permits and being legal, reading your posts a year ago. Good for you if you are all up and running above board, and I mean that sincerely. This situation is not over yet. I am trying to find a solution. Perhaps you can help me please? As said time and time before and to all those that know Barry and I personally, this to Barry is not about money, this is about him being able to do what he enjoys most, performing to the public and seeing them having a good night. Regards, Mrs Snakes.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 20:17

OK, now we seem to be on the right track. As I said, there are ways around this and if you are willing, I am more than prepared to discuss this with you.



Of course I have a thing about work permits and being legal - I doubt that anyone can complain about that, especially with the attitude of the Government.



It's all about money and I doubt that the venues here can afford the solution, but at least, we can talk about it.



We seem to have got off on the wrong foot - Sorry

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 20:24

Washerman Paul thank you for your last post ! the point I was trying to make is I find it easy to copy other people stuff it is not a boast just fact and the reason i spent near on 40 years on the session circuit is because i could be asked to play a solo of 4 bars or whatever in a certain key of my own construction and also some of the well known solo's on record are actually me due to circumstances beyond the bands control !!!!! look forward to speaking soon regards Barry

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 21:19

Barry, we will have to agree to disagree.

wotzup7


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 21:38

Msg 67.Dave I have to agree! The web site does not instill confidence nor the track I unfortunately listened to.Even "guns n Roses" could not reproduce the sound like that.Sounded purloined to me.I would stay away Barry IMHO.Even my laptop "Frose".I had to re boot!!!

Orlaith


Joined: 04/08/2010
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 02:46

Msg 13. Thank you, Mrs Snakes for your honest comments. Please check your mail; I have replied to you directly.

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 07:32

I am assuming Mr washerman has a business permit therefore a director, which virtually allows him to do most things therefore legal to perform BUT a work permit specifies what your job title is and when applied for this seems to be important. i.e. People who clean pools generally have the translation of pool cleaner therefore they should not be cleaning houses or gardening. Mine actually states a similar translation to working under Director which hopefully means I can do anything as long as the director of the business agrees to it as I maybe cleaner, gardener, pool cleaner, secretary, accounts clerk or whatever crops up during the day. In other countries you can have two jobs but can someone clarify you can here, i.e. two work permits but then probably two jobs would be part time therefore not enough income generated to pay taxes or encourage employer to put you on the books. Just because you have a work permit does not necessarily mean you are doing your legal job title job

silverfox1


Joined: 07/06/2009
Posts: 125

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 08:05

Whilst I might have sympathy with individuals in this case, and despite the fact that personalities are now overtaking this thread there are some simple facts that have to be considered which overarch the hypocrisy of some of the comments. We must all remember that we are all guests in a foreign country and despite our wishes we must all abide by the rules which include tax rules and work permit rules, however unfair they might seem.

The sentiments shown all too often smack of NIMBYISM and I would not be the same if these people were back in the UK bemoaning how awful immigrants are for taking jobs, using the NHS etc and all without paying taxes. Indeed in some cases this is the very reason why people leave the UK.....so I guess we should play by the rules.

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 09:19

message92 try telling this to iigrants in the uk you will be up for a rcehat crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!



We must all remember that we are all guests in a foreign country .

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 09:39

Silverfox, you are right, as long as the rules are for everyone, not a select few.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 10:24

Msg 90, Orlaith, thank you for email and heartfelt experiences. I will reply personally when I have gathered my thoughts. Kind Regards, Mrs Snakes

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 12:06

Re Msg 53 I am getting the feeling that this may be a case of someone"spiking your Guns" lol

mrjim



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 12:17

Barry

just out of curiosity when you moved over to trnc and set up your studio to make new tracks for a cd did you intend to play clubs or was it public demand that made you play.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 12:18

I just wanted to say how sorry we both are about this music entertainment problem, We do not frequent the bars too often but when we do go out we like to hear the entertainers..What kind of place is this going to turn into with no music and laughter when one goes out..SHAME on the government to being so stupid and not being able to sort this one out..But hay-ho can they sort anything out..NO. NO. NO...despicable. Music is a mans Soul very much need to give and receive..Thank you for all your hard work to all the entertainers here and lets pray that something gets sorted.



Spider,X

MrsSnakes



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Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 12:35

DJ Jim, we have always had a studio where ever we lived. Its essential for Barry's profession and personal use. He came here with no intention of being public, but after several charity concerts, people asked when he was playing next. He enjoyed it so much, he continued to do so. Money was not the issue for this. Regards, Mrs Snakes

mrjim



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 12:57

thanks mrs snakes that was what I thought seems a great shame

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 13:31

Barry you keep dropping hints about a possible solution,is it close to being implemented, if so will it be in time for the Bar8.8 gig.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 22:07

Topten !!!! sorted ! will be at Bar8.8 Friday 27th and Soyz Bar on 28th !! This is a legal arrangement for me and I am so pleased to be playing to an audience again Yipee watch out for Cyprus Today at weekend ! please spread the word for these great bar owners who have moved earth (more than builders do here) to sort out this situation and lets all move forward and have a great evening happy cheers Barry

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 22:10

Barry, Good for you I am well chuffed! Hope this will be the end to all this nonsense!!!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 22:35

That's top news, Barry!



Those bar owners better organise for a whole heap more chairs, cos they'll need 'em!

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 22:48

Thanks Goggles ! hope they dont sit down they gotta dance with the "plonkers" on a more serious note I am asking for a load of singers (anyone) Saturday 28th to rehearse a chorus for my album track " never too much love" for us to actually record live on Sunday 6th Sept at Soyz again ! lets hope for a great turnout cheers Barry (ps think thats a first for TRNC)

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 22:52

Msg 105 should read Sunday 5th of September.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 22:59

Very very good new, good luck to you and all other entertainers here..





Spider,X

steveafc


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 08:02

what can i say????????



YAY !!

Activator


Joined: 23/12/2009
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:00

Hi Barry. This sounds like good news. It's my birthday on the 28th so now have somewhere go at least. Dare I venture to ask how you managed it?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:45

brilliant news, good for you barry, well at least i can walk to bar 8.8. well done and well done to the bars for thier help.xxx

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 12:42

Fantastic news tell managment at 8.8 to stock up on the Efes

Chicken


Joined: 29/06/2009
Posts: 190

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 10:53

Great news Barry, look forward to hearing you play again at Soyz next Saturday

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 13:53

Watcha Chicken we are trying to cover every possible situation and as you know its not for money I really enjoy playing for the Soyz crowd, well any crowd really if you know what I mean ! hope to see you cheers Barry

Steveafc !!!! working on "Sorrow" got hard bit of Keyboards and Simon (my keyboardist in UK) is on hols but will keep trying but how strange these instruments are with black and white keys ???? regards B

bar8.8


Joined: 17/06/2009
Posts: 333

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 16:39

Efes ordered, so not worries there :]

steveafc


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 22:42

lol barry .....keep tryin mate you shall overcome someday...........................

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 22:45

http://www.northcypruz.com

bar8.8


Joined: 17/06/2009
Posts: 333

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 22:56

Bar 8.8 Gider Pusulasi doesnt look like http://www.northcypruz.com

however requires the same information

funny that's all that is available to see on the site???

Not sure why anyone would be interested to see it :]

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 22:58

Maybe, it's an older version, they don't get used that much you know, there's not much need for them

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 23:06

Bar 8.8 - As far as you understand, what is a Gider Pusulasi for?



What purpose does it serve?



Why would you use one?

bar8.8


Joined: 17/06/2009
Posts: 333

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 00:45

"Bar 8.8 - As far as you understand, what is a Gider Pusulasi for?" - When we are unable to receive a receipt from anyone for money we have paid to them, for whatever reason, we write a GP. We complete them on a regular basis, especially to our entertainment people.

"What purpose does it serve?" - We in turn then have proof that we had an expense and the accountant can then take this into the figures we supply him. We have some "expenses" that have slipped through the net and are tightening our admin control on this. Gone are the days when we just hand over money with no proof of doing so.

"Why would you use one?" - to prove an expense to reduce KDV payment hopefully

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 06:39

I agree with your interpretation, that's the way I see it too.



Who keeps the KDV element, you or, the payee?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 07:45

msg 120;

bar8.8;



Thats all to cover you!

In UK,we were faced up with £5000 fine on the spot for illegal employment!

How would one go around to beat that one?

Rogerd


Joined: 23/09/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 18:25

so how have you managed to overcome it then Snakes? You have been on here non stop for days and surely if you have a solution then you should let all the other entertainers know?

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 19:40

Rogerd ! I have tried to solve my particular problems and would not advise other entertainers of what they should do as all are different here and unlike some would hate to see anyone in trouble through my misguided info. therefore I advise all entertainers to persue their own situation. however, please get Cyprus Today Wednesday and you will see we are trying to resolve a silly situation but realise it has been tried before ! I am staggered that I still cannot perform to people who enjoy my music for free as I do not accept payment(I dont need it unlike other vindictive posters) unless for Charity (Ismails Arm and various others) I find this situation terribly disturbing that expats cannot stand together yet continually try to knock each other down ! I am astounded at the lack of comradery displayed by us all !!! think about it !! regards Barry ps have read your post history !!!!!!!!!!!!

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 19:54

oh dearie me



here we go again.





Good luck barry

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 19:58

Watcha Dave they do get on yer tits dont they !!!!!! hope see ya at weekend ! Toots is coming to Bar8.8 Oh no ha ha

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:02

Barry, you can only do your best which I all ready know is brilliant so it's only fair that you and Dave the roadie spread the joy.

If the others find a way to make things work great, as for those who seem to think they should tell people it is not possible, WHY?

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:10

Hello Paul ! I agree but really we should all take resonsibilty for our own actions ! so many people on this forum blame others and I for one am sick of the usual "experts" telling us what we should do and how to do it !! as far as "Dave the roadie" goes ! Blimey the lazy Bugger aint never give a hand with any my stuff but an asset to any audience dont you think >? cheers barry

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:15

hey,im on invalidity and all the other benefits most of the island is on,i might get caught lifting some thing on cam,then all me benefits get stopped !







now calm dooown



i was joking,i bet the air is blue in some villas right now!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:15

None of you have addressed the point that yorgozlu has made re: "illegal employment"



I take it the gigs are off for the moment then?



Let's hope that there is a way to work without any permits, companies, social sigorta etc. etc. I will be the first on the gravy train. I can't wait to go tell our accountants that we don't need to pay our monthly dues and demands.



At last, we too will be able to afford that new three piece suite, new garden furniture, foreign holiday, new car etc. etc.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:18

oh its nice to see and hear from so many honest business men on the forum.





















































yah make me fart maan !

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:24

really Paul, again.



Is Barry in exactly the same position as you, I don't think so which is why he stated each individual should find out for themself and he wouldn't want someone to get into trouble through his info.

What exactly is your issue with that.



Actually, please don't bother to explain, I am tired of all the comments about what if's and maybe's. I shouldn't have jumped in again.



Barry, have a good time

Washerman, good luck with whatever you are hoping to achieve

Dave, stop upsetting the natives with talk about illegal earnings, you know that is supposed to be our little secret

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:32

I have no issue, I just can't wait for confirmation that no-one needs companies, permits, social sigorta etc. etc. I want to be free of the burdens of running a business in the TRNC and I can't wait for it to be sorted out for me.



I wait with bated breath!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:38

As I said, good luck although I am sensing a little sarcasm there, maybe not.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:38

BTW Proger1, I know that many other owners of legitimate businesses here are also watching the outcome of this escapade. They too, are ready to fling off their sandals and tell their accountants to take a hike.



If it all turns out - heck, with an extra 2500TL per month, I may even switch on the air-conditioning!

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 20:58

Struggle on Washerman perhaps a little less time on this forum and more time on your "business" may help you in your future ! just friendly advise as you give the rest of us ! a reminder that I just sort out my situation ! not yours or any others as it simply does not work in that way ! if I am wrong then I accept that I will be responsible for my own actions ! Unlike you I do not give advise to people i do not know circumstances or otherwise so calm down and look after yourself and yours regards Barry

Rogerd


Joined: 23/09/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:10

snakes, that was an innocent question. you have put numerous posts on this forum for days asking what you should do and how do you get permits and so on and wanted advise from everybody else. now you seem to have a solution you dont seem to want to offer the same advise you were asking for! that to me smacks of a 'lack of comradery' dont you think?! or is it the 'im alright jack' attitude that you have moaned about with others?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:14

I could mention the time spent on this forum being better spent practising the more difficult parts of guitar riffs, but that would be stooping to your level so, disregard this first sentence.



I can offer advice based on my experience. I don't force it on people. Like I have said on other threads, I hope that you are successful in freeing us of the burden of local taxation. I wuill certainly be following your lead, but if it ends up that you just have to get a permit like the rest of us, I will be saying "told you so!"



I am calm and I do look after my self. I wish you all the happiness that you deserve.



Paul

snakes



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Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:16

Rogerd ! at first I asked for help and advise from the forum but soon realised that I was a target for the "wasters" brigade who actually do bugger all to help yet are experts at everything and yet good for nothing !! as I said earlier stretch to a copy of Cyprus Today Wednesday and you will see I am trying to help all concerned along with other performers ! please dont sink to the level of laundryman ! regards barry

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:25

Washerman ! I am always pleased to accept the advise of fellow guitarists perhaps you and I can get together for a jam sometime ! what sort of guitar and style do you play ? our situations are so different ! I am retired and dont need to work , yes very fortunate i realise, ! you have to work here and i am sorry but dont take it out on me please ! I may be able to give you some business advise as i have some years on you yet ! regards Barry (this will probably get closed as most posts you make comment on do )

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:27

If you are allowed to assign me a pseudonym - "laundryman" - am I allowed to assigne you one too say, "slithery"

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:31

Ah! you've got me - I am not a guitarist. All I can do is listen to what you play and compare it to the original!



Our situations aren't that different really except for the fact that I have the necessary permits.

snakes



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Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:32

Oi Wisheywashey ! dont avoid the question about what guitar and style you play being an "expert" that is "X" being the unknown factor and "Spert" being the drip at the end !!!! regards Barry

snakes



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Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:37

Necessary permits to run a computer company (ish) yet i dont tell you what to do and how to do it ! perhaps you should now stop and just get on with what you know best and if you dont like my music just stay away we might be able to survive without you !!! regards Barry

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:41

"Slithery" my dear friend.



Actually, I have attended several of your gigs and been seen to be applauding your efforts.



I have no argument with your talent - you are a good singer that can play guitar.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:47

Wisheywashey ! "who can play guitar" grammar please !!!! and am eager to learn the guitar ! Bring on the copiers with no own style !! you know who you are !!! regards barry

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:55

"Slithery" I am sorry, playing your own style has really got you to the top of the industry and therefore, I must admit that I am wrong.



Bar 8.8 and Soyz Bar - well done! You have cornered the market!

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 22:25

Well,im just stuck for any kind of words,i said im just stuck for any kind of words.



Il tell you what,that guy in law abiding citizen is a gudd unn,pity he died in the peter in the end.



its the 3rd time ive watched it,i keep hoping for a diffrent ending!



now im going to watch SALT again for the 3rd time,angelina joley,damm she is good in this movie.





so what time you playing on friday barry?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 22:32

ooooh SALT, good idea

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 22:34

The Peter is a term that I am well familiar with, I am not called the "Washerman" for nothing and I did not end up here by accident.

zerochlor


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Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 22:39

hey hey . we might just have some thing in common after all

zerochlor


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Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 23:04

washerman must of got banged up,lights out at 10.30

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 23:06

Lights out - that's what got me in trouble!