winter fuel cash in uk to be cut

dwr6rtr


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 11:03

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7951203/Winter-fuel-payment-c

davedee



Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 11:06

Clegg tells us on BBC breakfast this morning that it is just speculation!

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 14:27

Strewth. How do I pay for a very limited amount of air con cooling in the Summer if I lose the Winter heating allowance ? !!!!!

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 16:13

Most of us UK pensioners do not receive the winter fuel allowance. You only get it if you were getting it in UK before you moved here.

Think yourself lucky to have had it at all!

I have no doubt the UK coalition govt. will cut it out altogether to UK pensioners, in my view either ALL of us should receive it, or none. Preferably all!!!!

Geoff

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 17:30

So far its only press speculation I think, in the manifesto Caring Cameron said the allowance would be kept, but he did not say how much it would be reduced to!



It will probably revert to the 1980's when pensioners were told by the Caring Conservatives that to keep warm they should wear a woolly hat and go to bed!

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 17:36

The page from the telegraph has been removed. Geoff. I don't agree that everyone should receive it, especially people who are still working, anyone earning more than an amount set by the government should not get it.

Woodspeckie


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Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
18/08/2010 17:41

When I was working my job entailed assessing the elderly for help in their home, I had to do financial assessments to see if they had to contribute to the cost of care, the majority of the old people who where sat with one bar of the fire on and wearing six layers of clothes to keep warm where the ones with money in the bank for their children, and usually these children where not on the scene when their parents needed help.

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 01:18

ah such a worry its the norm older people always worry about not leaving anything which is so wrong

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 08:48

Re No 8: Fair enough - I agree with that. But it should be an equal playing field for us pensioners, which at the moment it is not. It won't be either if they discontinue the winter fuel payments to SOME overseas pensioners.

We will just have to wait and see,

Geoff

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 09:28

lifes not a fair palying field geoff.



if you work and save for your retirement you pay taxes all your life ,and contribute .Then you pay tax on your pensions .



sit back ,dont work ,live off the state and claim and earn more in retirement ....thats what it will be like when i come to retire .The man with "grey suit" will say sorry theres nothing left for you workers now .



kav



incidentally fuel allowance should be means tested on property and its value in my opinion...ie post code payments for small inner city and poor areas top payment ,for large rural and detached nothing .

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 09:58

message 10 agree totally agree ti should be means tested as should family allowance message 3 definately should not get if you live it hotter climates for air con

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 11:42

My comment, a joke, at message 3, seems to have sparked strong reactions, at messages 10 and 11. All right minded people would like to see the genuinely poor financially assisted but the system is overwhelmed by the feckless and those who never contribute. Means testing can cost more than simply paying to all. I pay full community charge in UK for very little and have winter fuel bills to meet so why should I not receive a heating allowance. In fact I pay more into the Army Benevolent Fund each year for ex servicemen needing help. It is my way of rerouting public money which the government should provide direct to ex servicemen. This follows a life time of paying into a pension fund, the benefits of which were trousered by Brown and Blair leaving me in the position of having to live to the age of 147 to get back the capital paid in let alone any interest or profits. I wish that there was a system which paid only the deserving but that seems to be beyond the wit of Parliament.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 11:54

No matter what you have paid in the past,if you do not live in U.K. you should not be getting benefits.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 12:31

Rumours....rumours....rumours. Don't we just love them ?

I don't think there is any intention to reduce or dispense with the winter fuel benefit although this might have been mooted at some time. What may happen is that you may have to wait longer to qualify for it in the first place.

I do not think that there is any legal justification for denying this allowance to UK citizens living in EU countries as Cyprus is. This would be seen as discriminatory as denying the payment of a pension itself.

Having paid my whole working life to receive the benefits promised to me how now can any government deny them to me ?. Anything else would be a sham and a peculation punishable at the polls or the courts.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 12:34

Paddywack, thankfully my entitlement was confirmed by the appropriate authority which is not you.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
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Message Posted:
19/08/2010 12:35

I live in Cyprus and Cyprus is in the EU...I get nothing as yet and I bloody well bet that when the time comes I will bloody well get nothing them..Mr Spider was given £6 a week to live on when he came out of hospital once and had to make a claim..poor sod he would have got more if i had kicked him out of the door ! Job seekers attendance allowance sick benefit or whatever they name it..£6 a week for someone who had worked and paid hid dues for over 40yrs what kind of JOKE is that... ) Who wants to go cap in hand with all that embarrassment..I was raised to have self pride and respect these are the morals that were passed onto myself the some ones I pass onto my children and grandchildren.They should stick all the scroungers in the bloody army young mother an all..take their off springs with them yes into the army start teaching childcare there and contraception..along with all the drunks my god they should have detox centres in the army too..

Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 12:42

Then give them £6 a week once they all get out they will know what cold is..so bloody use to it they wont need the balls to even ask for such a thing as heating allowance..and by then there would be no such thing anyway !



Thats my £6 worth to the topic. )





Spider,X

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 13:04

Mssg 16



A good form of contraception, rarely used, is the word 'NO'!

straitasadie


Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 13:14

if you've paid up n.i in full you are entitled to the same as someone living in the uk.

my electric bill was 450 tl.So when and if i get winter allowance i am fully entitled to it.although it

will be used in the summer.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 14:46

msg #19



Not entirely correct, the winter fuel payment is for those living in the UK and payable for the adverse conditions of the winter. Not to pay an AC bill for you to live in the med......

If you are living outside the country then you are nothing more than just another parasite screwing the system which affects those people in the UK that genuinely rely on these these benefits, if the scroungers that have left the UK gave up the benefits that they are NOT entitled to any longer there may be more to go round for those that need it.

Because you have paid up your NI does not make you entitled to every benefit....



And before you start NO I do not claim benefits of any kind and never have done.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 14:59

Hi the Saints it a good job then that you have never needed to make a claim for your £6 a week to live on ! very lucky you that you have never been laid up in Hospital and out of work for a while..Because if it ever happens dont bother just give it back thats what we did told the to keep it..



Spider,X

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 15:11

its a subject that will cause frustration and difference of opinions .



but i agree with it both ways ....if applicable have you paid in all your life and worked and contributed ?.or have you been on benefits and swerved work occasionally and not contributed through NI .?



i suposse to be fair where you live now after you have worked and contributed is irrelavent.....especially when somebody could be sat in the uk having never worked and recieving more than the person who emmigrated.



for me all benefits should be there for the needy ,not the lazy ...and at times when something happens like spider says .



just going to ring the fraud line ,lol kav

straitasadie


Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 16:14

MSG # 20 Firstly not being entirely correct suggests that most of it is.Secondly i served many years in the navy and

running my own business,paying extreme amounts of tax and ni.Never claiming a penny even child

allowance as we unfortunately were not blessed.To call the likes of me a parasite who as supported

the british economy for 45 years you must be totally deluded.

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 17:43

Message 20 .. If you are living outside the country then you are nothing more than just another parasite screwing the system .. Choice words ..

If one has paid into the "System" for 40+ years & is not entitled to ANY benefits ..

Why take tax from the state pension & any other small pensions ..

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 18:48

Don't we just love slagging off ourselves? what about all the immigrants who enter the UK and go cap in hand for all the benefits that they can get and have never paid a peny into the benefit system.

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 19:03

Quarmby ..

They deserve it .. We don't .. Simple as that ..

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
19/08/2010 19:18

Msg26

Deserve it or not,they are in the UK.