"gider pusulasi" - allows a visitor to perform???

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 10:55

On another post, a member refers to a "gider pusulasi" saying that it allows them to perform as a visitor???



A "gider pusulasi" is a document that a business gets to confirm that they have employed someone who can't give them a proper receipt, but confirms that they have paid them money for something. It covers the back of the business.



It does not remove the need for a work permit so, don't be misled, make sure that you have a work permit for what you are doing!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:02

Washerman, what if the member on the other post, you know the one that got closed because you made it a personal attack, was told by an authoritive figure that this was the way they would need to go to be able to perform.

Now you are saying, in your absolute proffessional authority that it is wrong. If you don't mind me asking, what gives you the authority to make such statements, as I said on the other post, in your case you may well have all the legal requirements but how do you know the idiosyncrasies to each situation when the authorities seem to have differing views for each given situation.

By the way, I am not defending any side or attacking the opposite, I am just questioning what you are basing your warning on.



Paul

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:08

Proger1 - My wife is just back from our Accountants where she enquired - they were very specific about it.



BTW - I didn't personally attack - I addressed the points that were raised against me - read back over the thread.



The only personal attack was against me.



People are being led up the garden path on this. I can't help but explain the situation as it is.



Regards

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:16

Ah, now I understand, your wife asked an accountant, they are really trustworthy in NC aren't they.



Sorry, that was an attempt at humour. I would prefer to find out the answers from the department that are likely to throw you out of the country because you have broken they're latest laws not the accountant. After all, how many people are having purchasing problems because the accountant didn't give the correct information.

I am assuming that Barry and Helena have actually found out the truth as it is they're heads on the chopping block, if your accountant is correct then I am incorrect in my assumption but I doubt that it would be something they would investigate to thoroughly as it would not make any money for them should this be the case.



As for the personal thing, I read the posts and I would have to say you gave as good as you got but the "personal" comment was not mine, merely the reason it was closed.



You are explaining it as you have been informed, maybe not as it is !

Lennythelion


Joined: 07/09/2008
Posts: 53

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:25

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u= http://www.webmuhasebe.com/Konular/giderpusulasi.htm&ei=oDluTIStFt_R4waMxYDTCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDAQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgider%2Bpusulas%25C4%25B1%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Di







http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u= http://www.alomaliye.com/gider_pusulasi_mal_hizmet.htm&ei=oDluTIStFt_R4waMxYDTCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCoQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgider%2Bpusulas%25C4%25B1%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Di







http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u= http://www.alomaliye.com/gultekin_karahan_gider_pusulasi.htm&ei=oDluTIStFt_R4waMxYDTCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgider%2Bpusulas%25C4%25B1%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Di

Lennythelion


Joined: 07/09/2008
Posts: 53

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:27

http://www.alomaliye.com/gultekin_karahan_gider_pusulasi.htm







http://www.alomaliye.com/gider_pusulasi_mal_hizmet.htm









http://www.webmuhasebe.com/Konular/giderpusulasi.htm

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:46

Proger1



I'll stand by what they tell us - they havn't put us wrong yet, by the way, they telephoned the Govt. Dept. to confirm their understanding.



They were explicit in one thing though, it does not remove the need for a work permit!



Proger, I have read your posts - you seem level headed. What suddenly, after many have tried in the last 7 years, a solution to the problem for expat entertainers is found?



Wasn't it why Elvis, Jonnie Hawkins and others left NC?



Let's wait and see shall we?



Regards



Paul

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:48

paul, i beleive they are back here now x

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:56

Washerman,

I would call you Paul but that would feel silly for me, I am not trying to have a go as I stated before, what I and I assume many others are hoping for is advice on what can be done, not loads of as far as I can tell undocumented negativity.

Barry has he cklaims found a legal way to do what he wishes and I hope for his and his families sake that it is correct.

Your'e writing of it not being correct merely puts more fear into the pot and as I have stated, it came from an accountant not the department although you state that they did communicate with the said department. I have no way of knowing this so I can assure you that the entertainers themselves also have no way of knowing.

Perhaps if you had some documentation or even the office that the entertainers could go to for more information it might help.

Unlees I read it incorrectly, the newspaper articles state that they are against VISITORS performing, not residents so I could at least be happy if that were to be clear

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 11:58

Hi Lilli, I know they are, but they still decided to leave in the first place and made the reasons public.



Let's wait and see, but meanwhile, read the front page of Cyprus Today.



Paul

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 12:00

Paul, I am not going to comment on anyone in particular, but let's wait and see what happens.



In the meantime, if you like, I will meet you later today and we can go together and then report back here.



Regards



Paul

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 12:02

I am afraid meeting is not possible unless you are in the same country as me

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 12:04

Ah! OK - Not to worry - Anyone else?



Paul

kezspot


Joined: 26/11/2007
Posts: 443

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 12:10

Hi, All this is why we left the TRNC, after battling with the powers that be for 5 yrs!!! Jonnie and I are not back in the north, only for one off's when asked for by charities. We now live in the south in the EU !!!!!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 12:16

Lilli - Does that answer your question?



5 years trying - and they didn't solve the problem?

JKSLapta


Joined: 08/06/2009
Posts: 547

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 12:34

Washerman, we have also spoken to our accountants and the people at the District office (that issue the music licences) and you are correct.

layby_lil



Joined: 13/11/2009
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 13:04

Can someone please explain in simple terms (I am only a dumb Rock and Roller )what one actually needs to go out and perform legally

layby_lil



Joined: 13/11/2009
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 13:05

ps I am a resident here

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 13:11

Have a look in todays Cyprus star.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 13:29

Layby Lil - become a TRNC citizen and all the problems will disappear. Except they aren't accepting any applications at the moment

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 14:34

washerman is correct and if there is a loophole I can tell you they will wont accept it if they find you in the loop so to speak. If you are TRNC citizen no prob if you want to do it under a company still think theres a problem as and Im sure and someone will correct me if Im wrong I think that was what Anna was doing or trying to do so all entertainers were under one roof.



Itf the departments concerned want to get you so to speak as a foreigner you not only have to be white you have to be snowwhite as far as having everything done correctly. Been there and no matter what loophole you think you have covered up they pop and I agree they are only doing there job its just they make it hard for us to do it correctly. And no Im not an entertainer

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 14:37

honestie..."you not only have to be white you have to be snowwhite"



Maybe being white is part of the problem ? ;-)

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 14:46

Im trying to be politically correct but In lots of legal departments Ive had to deal with here just being blonde and female puts me at the bottom of the ladder as not sure Its possible to have a brain oh my goodness did I swear I said Brain.



joking apart I know we are at their mercy just as we can be crossing the border trying to get work permits for your own business and can I tell a tale with that one . I dont know what entertainers can do its just as frustraing for the bars as the entertainment is part if thir buisness plan as thats if they have one!

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 14:50

It would be interesting to hear now what Proger and Snakes think!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 15:13

Ozbey, I am not sure if you think it will be interesting but Proger, or proger1 as the name says still thinks the same thing, I have not seen anything (No, I haven't seen the Cyprus Star today) that officially answers the questions I would raise if I were in the situation.

The answers that have been given may well be absolutely correct and they may not for certain situations.

You make it sound like I have been proved wrong Ozbey, please enlighten me where I have stated that I am correct over anyone else. I will apologise directly to whoever that might be.



Now can I go back to being uninvolved so that I don't get pee'd off with those members who seem to think they are better than others, by right of being older or british.



Paul, proger1, Paul Roger

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 16:17

msg 17;

"Can someone please explain in simple terms (I am only a dumb Rock and Roller )what one actually needs to go out and perform legally "



Simple!!!!!!Open your own bar and perform there.There is nothing against that.

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 16:24

Thats a brilliant idea Yorgozlu.

layby_lil



Joined: 13/11/2009
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 16:28

thanks for the dumb answer, anthony. mess 20 ,,,,now how do I get A PERMIT

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 16:33

how many people were lead up the garden path by the internet club?



there are only 10 licensed isps in trnc is yours one of them tic was not I am told.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 17:13

John Good 1,000s - I retired off the proceeds and I now live Hawaii - I caught them all for big bucks and legged it into the sun.



Any Internet Club customers that read this tosh may want to confirm or, deny, but to be honest I don't imagine that many of them read this rubbish!



BTW - we are still a licensed ISP - need an internet connection? Go somewhere else will you?



Paul

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 17:16

Layby Lil, listen to Yorgzlu - he knows what he is talking about. That's what we are doing at this very minute.

Drop me a line if you need any advice



Paul

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 17:17

BTW - John Good, you the first to be banned from our establishment. Now, please leave the premises.



Paul

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 17:20

Paul

things don't appear to have changed much in sunny cyprus!



Ray

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 17:22

Hi Ray, your right about that. Hope you are OK. Nice to hear from you. You were an Internet Club customer - did I lead you up the garden path?



Paul

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 17:25

Proger1 - Paul, I have read your last post - talk about edging your bets? Please feel free to decide one way or, the other.



Paul

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 17:27

Several posters have said/used the expression, "I am a resident here". We expats refer to the annual process we carry out, to keep ourselves legal as getting 'Temporary Residency'.

However Immigration dept. at Girne Police Station (& I have no doubt Immigration dept. in Lefkosa too) call the process a 'Visitor's Permit' This is what is on the outside of the office door in Girne PS.

However long you have lived here & whatever you may believe, unless you are a Permanent resident, you are not treated as a Resident, but as a visitor. As I was once told at Lefkosa, permission to stay here is granted but it is not a right.

However at the end of the day, none of this matters a jot. Unless you have a work permit obtained by your employer & whilst in his employment or have started your own business here with all this entails, you cannot work here legally.

You may think the law is an ass & may wish the law was different, but it isn't. The only way round this is to have a Kimlik card.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 17:38

You are right, Scruff, and I think it takes 10 years in the current regime of living here "temporarily" to be accepted as a permanent resident, although am open to be proved incorrect

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:16

You are right and if I say you are right and you are right then I must be right so that makes us both right (thanks for that one, cronos) but if I say you are right but you are not right then I can't be wrong because you said it not me so therefore by process of I can't be wrong, I must be right so therefore I must accept that you are right and so am I.



R U right with that

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:18

What a waste of bandwidth!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:28

ooooooh, suit you sir.



I would love to hold a pleasent conversation with you some time washerman but you have to bear in mind 2 things, I might never agree with you and that it is my right to decide when I feel like wasting bandwidth or trying to give my own honest answer without someone knocking it because it is not the same as thiers.



You might well get more understanding if your comments weren't quite so, I am correct and you are wrong.



I may well be completely wrong in my understanding of the situation we are discussing but as I have not actually written down what my understanding is, you and others can only assume that I disagree with what you have written, might it just be that I disagree with the way you have written it and not the subject matter.



If I were to say that all unfinished properties will now be knocked down and the land passed on to new owners because my gardener told me, would you believe it.



I am waiting to see what transpires, thats all

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:34

"Tea's ready" "OK Luv, down in a minute" "It's your favourite - humble pie" "Wow, coming"



mmmmmmmmmmmmm.........what a waste of electric.......got to go!



Paul