[BRS] Important: read the new rules for residency..!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 18:23

Changes again! DO read the new rules for residency..!

http://www.brstrnc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98&Itemid=138

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 18:56

thanks a million certainly some changes !!!!

Rocker

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 19:37

is it 30 days now or still 90 on tourist visa

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 20:28

Is the apathy showing on this subject due to the fact most forum members are over 60?

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 20:38

Dutch,

"Temporary residents can apply for permanent residence when they have completed their 5th year of residence (ie when they have 6 temporary residence stamps in their passports).". Is this still true or awaiting an update?



I understand that all Permanent Residency applications have been stopped for the time being?



Mick

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 20:46

Oh dear, surely the BRS page is not out of date already, AND no mention of Citizenship, and yet MrEroglu said at a meeting hosted by BRS they we could apply. But it seems that everything changed with the new government. So all my dreams of being a citzen of this 'pARADISE' are once again dashed into non-existence. In the words of West Side Story song 'goodness gracious, no wonder I'm a mess!

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 22:43

Give the BRS and the Government some slack - its not easy running either of them!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 22:50

Neither 'organisation' is fit for purpose!



Richard

waddo


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Message Posted:
27/08/2010 22:59

Brinsley, Then join neither. I have never found any organisation that is fit for purpose but would love to know if you can supply the name of one you consider to be so.

WotNoDeeds!


Joined: 26/08/2009
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 22:59

Can someone tell me what is the point of having permanent residency if you have to renew it every two years? It makes a nonsense of the whole procedure.

hal9000


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 01:23

Honestie: This doesn't apply to those who insist on screwing the system by living here illegally on 90-day visas; only those of us who are stupid enough to play by the rules are affected by this change.

Waddo: As far as i am aware, there is no moratorium on Permanent Residency applications; only Citizenships have been stopped.

WotNoDeeds: Your guess is as good as mine! If you are over 60 and a Temporary Resident you can apply for a two-year visa, so why bother to spend all that money on a Permanent Resident's visa if you have to go through all the hassle every two years anyway? The only advantage I can see is that it doesn't cost anything for Permanent Residents.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 11:45

for the people who buck the system why dont they make a charge for each renewal of the 30 days

make it more epensive to do this way

clews



Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 12:44

I was really disappointed to read this morning that from the 26th August 2010 those of us with temporary residence will now have to undergo an annual medical check to have our visas renewed. I raise a few points for consideration . . .



Apart from the additional cost and the stress involved, what medical issues are to be investigated and reported to the authorities. What would constitute a 'failed' medical and what would be the long term outcome for the individual with the 'failed' medical i.e. would they no longer be able to reside here or would they have to undergo medical treatment to make them 'fit' to reside?



I for one suffer from Rheumtoid Arthritis and came to live here for the climate, which benefits me greatly, but would this now mean that I would be deemed 'unfit' and no longer able to reside as I have a medical condition.



For those of you who can offer clarification please do so urgently as there will be many people out there who have concerns like my own.



Thank

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 13:15

clews I agree with you the new regulations are as clear as mud, but originally the medicals were to check you had no nasty infections, aides etc. What worrries me if you fail the medical are you kicked out.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 13:20

Clews



I doubt that you have anything to fear. The medical exam will be like the MOT here, of no substance and just a means for the government to raise more money at the expense of expats.



Paul

clews



Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 13:38

Thank you Rocker and Fiendishpaul for your supportive words.



Your right it sounds like another 'off the cuff' idea that has not really been thought through, but will in evidently cost us all more dosh . . .



Welcome to the TRNC !!!!

bumbum


Joined: 18/06/2009
Posts: 743

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 09:31

1200 tl year really dont want us here

bumbum


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Posts: 743

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 09:34

sorry ,,..read wrong

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 10:21

hal9000, "living here illegally on 90-day visas"

I've had problems with this, could anyone tell me the law about coming here for a few months 3 times a year and not being a resident

doddies


Joined: 16/02/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 10:35

Don`t panic.....give it a couple of months and as usual the rules will change.....again.

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 10:40

malsancak, if i have understood the new regulations, it states that anyone coming to the TRNC and staying for more than 30 days, will have to apply for temporary residence. Hence my question on another post, ' are the immigration officers now only giving 30 day visa's at ports of entry? ' which one poster answered ' yes '. I think if this is the case, its going to cause all sorts of problems, as i know a few people who come out for a couple of months at a time and then spend about the same amount of time back in the UK. These people are now going to have to apply for residency, then they are only allowed to be out of the TRNC for 30 days in any one year!!!! Total cock-up.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 11:04

Geoff, what do you think will happen in this situation?

Jan 1st start temporary residency, stay until Feb 28th

May 1st return and stay until June 30th

Sept 1st return and stay until Oct 31st

Return 18th March.

In theory the temp residency should be renewed between 1st-15th December in this case but as out of the country until 18th March will this mean a huge fine? Apparently you can't renew early.

mustafaleak


Joined: 08/02/2009
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 11:15

These new regulations can only be bad news for all ex pats, perhaps TC's have decided that we are no longer welcome hense the unworkable approach of the Government, Expats are leaving in drove's anyway, this news will hasten their departures, the ramifacations do not bear thinking about.



If it's all about the government making more money then perhaps they should target Mainland Turks who don't have to pay anything for their residency, the system is hippocritical in application and unfair to all Ex pats.



Most Expats that live here will contribute to the econnomy by having purchased property, cars, employing local trademen and day to day living expense's, if the TC Government continue to persue this line then all that will change, what do Mainland turks contribute!!! they may work here but they send all the money back to Turkey to their families, thus not contributing to the economy here.



Lets hope sense prevails and this approach is rethought.

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 11:19

Mal, re mess 22, I know under the old rules that if you let the terms of your temp residency lapse, ie stayed out of the country by more than the alloted time. Then you had to start the process all over again. It seems to me that the authorities have not given this enough thought.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 11:23

Not according to a friend who recently came back late, he had to put his hands in his pocket!

Geoff1131MK11


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Message Posted:
29/08/2010 11:35

I thinke we are all aware that some people for whatever reason choose to go over to the south, or over to Turkey and obtain another 90 day visa rather than go for temporary residence.

Could the government not impose a charge for any visa that is extended this way? After all, every time you come into the country you are logged into the computer system. I would think it would be quite simple to have a checking progragm built into the system to immediatly identify anyone who was trying to re-enter the TRNC having only been out of the country for a few days and having been on a 90 visa. This way the cost of any extension could be set at a level that would make it unecomonical to cheat the system and therefore encourage those who border hop to obtain temp residency, while not penalising too much, those who genuinly need to extend a visa.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 12:00

To continue my point in msg 22, it says quite clearly on the website this thread is about "don't let your permit expire: there are hefty fines for doing so!" What I'm saying is that surely residence should be those who are living here and not for people who are permanent residents elsewhere.

I take the point about people who live here 12 months a year and renew visas every 90 days by going to the south. It didn't work for the Petcheys who were deported for doing that but then look at their story. They bought a Gary Robb property here to retire, rented when they lost it, when their money dried up they discovered they couldn't get temporary residency and so tried the visa trick plus tried to earn a living without a ridiculously priced work permit until they were finally deported. Some would say betrayed by the system that allowed them to lose their life savings without lifting a finger. This could be the case with some of the people some of these comments are talking about.

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 12:13

Mal, with respect, the scenario you pose in msg 22 does not seem to me that you are permenantly resident in either country, Six months in TRNC and six months elsewhere. So in which country are you a permenent resident?

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:04

msg. 21

I'd take issue with your last sentence. "These people are now going to have to apply for residency, then they are only allowed to be out of the TRNC for 30 days in any one year!!!!"

Where did you get the idea that you can only be out of the country for 30 days a year. I think you will find, that this is the rule if you wish to apply for Permanent Residency, after 5 years?

msg 23

Are you sure about this?? "If it's all about the government making more money then perhaps they should target Mainland Turks who don't have to pay anything for their residency, the system is hippocritical in application and unfair to all Ex pats."

As far as I know, mainland Turks have to pay exactly the same as other expats for their residency unless they have a kimlik?

mustafaleak


Joined: 08/02/2009
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:10

msg 23



Are you sure about this?? "If it's all about the government making more money then perhaps they should target Mainland Turks who don't have to pay anything for their residency, the system is hippocritical in application and unfair to all Ex pats."



As far as I know, mainland Turks have to pay exactly the same as other expats for their residency unless they have a kimlik?





In reply to scuff, Main land Turks don't pay? and until recently needed no residency application.

Geoff1131MK11


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Posts: 396

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:47

scruff, sorry that should have read 90 days, its an age thing!!!!

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:51

totally confused and msg 11 Hal9000 not everyone is trying to screw the system by being here on 90 day visa some actually do go back to Uk and other countries for weeks before returning here



Wish I could screw the system but as i dont and live by its rules I dont see why there is a problem if people are genuinely going out of the country and stay here with a 90 day visa.



I am confused as to where the 30 days comes into it if someone could explain as must be having a senior moment

Troodo


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Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:55

msg 23. perhaps with the goose gone they will start on the chickens.

scruff


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Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 15:00

I notice that the BRS website was updated yet again yesterday 28/08/10. Was the reference to 30 days amended back to 90 days then?

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 15:01

So people under 60 have to have a blood test every renewal, but people over 60 don't? Hmm, there's no chance of people over 60 contracting a contagious disease then? Monty Python rules strike again.

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 15:03

msg 34 given that .



one must ask how accurate is the blood test info given a number of nos who are in daily contact with the government have not heard of it.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 15:13

scruff



I noticed that and really confused now mind you thats not difficult here is it.



is it still 90 days tourist visa or now 30 and before anyone says well get temp residency visa. For some people they are genuinely here for 2/3 months at a time and go out of the country for several weeks if not months so dont get . If they bring in the same legislation as Turkey has done then they will have to but as far as I am aware they havent

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 15:15

Geoff, msg 22, the example is not my own. It is an example of someone whose length of stay in the UK was enough to make them a resident and when they decided to taking up residency here as well they were better off not doing it because of the financial penalty of not being able to renew.

WotNoDeeds!


Joined: 26/08/2009
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 16:35

Can someone explain why the blood test cost is SO high 85 -135tl (135tl @ 2.35 = £58)? I had a blood test in Harley Street London a few months ago at one of the top hospitals in the world and the blood test cost me £40, Do the Turkish Cypriot doctors think they’re at the same level of professionalism as the Harley Street doctors? I don’t think so, and not in a million years.

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 17:09

what are the insurance iplications of being tested for hiv and stds each year ?

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 18:47

john_good,

NONE if you don't tell 'em - and no one here is going to...



WotNoDeeds!

and 80TL = £33.68 @ 2.375 (Thursday's rate)

To answer your question, I think that it depends on how many tests they do on the sample taken - I don't know which tests are required for the Immigration test - does anyone else know for sure?

I'd also remind you that EVERYTHING in TRNC is negotiable - Locals haggle, and thus get a lower price. No wonder they love us, - we just pay whatever is asked without question! - and then complain about how expensive it was afterwards.

One of the cheapest places in Girne to get a blood test is down the first street on the opposite side to HSBC - it's on the left, just near the top of the street. For those that know - it's the same street as Pertev the vet's 'HosPETal' - Işıl Sokak. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's cheaper in Lefkoşa or Gazimagusa - most things are!