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Lilli


Joined: 21/07/2008 Posts: 13081
Message Posted: 28/08/2010 23:08 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 2 of 24 in Discussion |
| Frightening thoughs, did you read the comments. x |
andre 514

Joined: 31/03/2008 Posts: 1163
Message Posted: 29/08/2010 13:00 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 24 in Discussion |
| everyone agrees lilli that poor civilians may get caught up in a future conflict however this "palestinian" blog spot may have good reasons to big up the chances firstly it may be that iran's agent hisbollla is now itself planning lebanon war III, supposedly having delivery of new and bigger rockets designed to hit civilians secondly if true, the "supplies" may simply be precautionary to cover all eventualities thirdly, if the israeli airforce gives iran a healthy slap it should really surprise no-one: unlike some naiive americans, the israelis can be under no illusion they would hurt the ayatollahs' score of secret atomic factories which are mostly far underground ...but ahmenadinajad's backers would appreciate what would happen if they carried out his threat to attack israel with a-bombs, something you'd not condone and "what if"? vast damage to iran's infrastructure, a smallish number of casualties, sunni arab joy and catawauling from eurolefties andre |
Groucho


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Message Posted: 29/08/2010 13:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 24 in Discussion |
| Maybe they think the price point is advantageous.... and it's nothing more sinister than that. |
Rogerdodger

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Message Posted: 29/08/2010 16:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 5 of 24 in Discussion |
| Go, Israel, IRAN will kick off the next world war by having the capability to manufacture nuclear devises and selling them to some tin pot dictator to use, or even using them themselves, then draw the rest of the world in to the same mess. IRAN needs to either stop making this stuff or be stopped, they say it is for domestic use, "my A**E" My personal thoughts! |
glw215

Joined: 02/04/2008 Posts: 178
Message Posted: 29/08/2010 17:01 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 24 in Discussion |
| I wonder do the Israelis have nuclear weapons? I know that Israel along with North Korea have refused to sign the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty (Iran has signed) and I wonder why not. I know that Mordechai Vanunu a former Israeli Nuclear technician produced solid evidence that the Israelis did have nuclear weapons (as far back as 1986). Vanunu was however immediately kidnapped by the Israelis in Italy and jailed for 18 years so we are still left 'wondering' . |
ang1706

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Message Posted: 29/08/2010 17:09 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 7 of 24 in Discussion |
| If this is true, then all the so called Military Genuisis have dreampt it possible. But its obvious that Syria, Egypt and Jordan have done a deal with the US as can see Israel bombing Iran, attacking Hamas in Gaza as a blockade measure but main thrust coming into southern Lebanon after Hezbollah, this as a repeat of 6 day war of 1967, however will last a lot longer. Gaza and bombing of Iran will be easy as when the Iranians see the destruction caused they will be not so full of war! However invading Lebanon might not be so difficult as people seem as there is only a small area to attack through and I believe that the Israelis would be upto Beirut within a few days again. So all this fuel is for one purpose- WAR !! Whose supplying it , yes those wonderful peacemakers the US, coincidentally just as they are holding peace talks next month- obviously to strengthen Israels hand !! Watch this tragic space !! |
andre 514

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Message Posted: 29/08/2010 20:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 24 in Discussion |
| message 7: the only tragedy in your somewhat garbled message, is making things seem far more complex than they are if iran gets a warning pasting it will hardly surprise anyone and cheer very many sunnis in the arab world not that I am either "for" nor "against" such an eventuality any more than I am for or against what some call a solution for cyprus, whatever that rather vague label actually means andre |
Lilli


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Message Posted: 29/08/2010 20:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 24 in Discussion |
| I thought that i saw on tv last week that Iran had just laucnched its trial nuclear rocket. |
yrret

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 10:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 24 in Discussion |
| Msg 6: I wonder do the Israelis have nuclear weapons? Yes, and yes they will be used if need be. |
malsancak

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 10:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 24 in Discussion |
| I'd worry more about North Korea, they have nuclear bombs and China's support |
keldanreb

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 10:50 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 12 of 24 in Discussion |
| the world is worried |
Crumpy


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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 10:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 24 in Discussion |
| Re ; msg 11 - Malsancak wrote "I'd worry more about North Korea, they have nuclear bombs and China's support" I'd worry more about the US - they have nuclear bombs and don't feel they need anyone's support. |
Groucho


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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 12:06 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 24 in Discussion |
| The only country to have used them too.... |
ilovecyprus

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 12:46 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 24 in Discussion |
| I feel that Israel has no choice but to go in. It can't afford to allow Iran to develop a destructive weapon, because, there is every possibility that it would use it on Israel. The way that the Iranian government treats it's opponent,the way it deals with dissenters and the way it punishes those that transgress it's archaic rules, shows that it is not a progressive government, but one that is regressive. It may not be unreasonable to compare it with a society from the middle ages. msge 13 I do not worry about the US using it's nuclear weapons. Yes, the US is on a mission to spread it's version of democracy and laissez faire capitalism, and it can be aggressive in it's implementation, but it has no intention of using it's nuclear arsenal. Perhaps, things could change if Palin gets in. |
ilovecyprus

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 12:48 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 16 of 24 in Discussion |
| Msge 14 The US faced the prospect of losing allot of its soldiers in invading Japan. Japan was not going to surrender, so, many more people probably would have died, than those who died from the atom bombs, as bad as it was. After the war, America sent over it’s very best minds to ensure that Japan could develop a strong economy and not start another war. It can be argued that America did a better job with Japan than it’s own country. America laid the roots of ‘Kaizen’ which has made Japan an industrial powerhouse and a highly stable country. America did a fine job here |
TRNCVaughan

Joined: 27/04/2008 Posts: 4578
Message Posted: 30/08/2010 12:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 17 of 24 in Discussion |
| Americas nuclear arsenal will ensure no-one butts-in when it starts to wipe the floor with Iran. Remember - Iranians may be moslems but they aren't Arabs and they have few alies in the region. |
ilovecyprus

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 12:55 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 18 of 24 in Discussion |
| msge 17 spot on this is why the Israelis will go in |
ilovecyprus

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 13:45 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 19 of 24 in Discussion |
| I wonder what would have happened if the US and Britain had held it's nerve in the Korean war. If the US had dug in, North Korea now united with the South would be an economic powerhouse not a pariah state. I don't know much about this war, perhaps, it was too dangerous to risk a head on collision with China. |
TRNCVaughan

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 14:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 20 of 24 in Discussion |
| N.Korea has Mao Tse Tung to thank for the shit order it now finds itself in. Since Mao snuffed it, China has seen the light. N. Korea is still in the dark. |
ilovecyprus

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 14:27 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 21 of 24 in Discussion |
| the rumour is that China does not want North Korea to unite with the South. Both countries united, would be quite a serious threat to China's economic dominance of the region. |
ilovecyprus

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 14:27 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 22 of 24 in Discussion |
| apologies, we have digressed from the main topic |
Crumpy


Joined: 05/06/2010 Posts: 419
Message Posted: 30/08/2010 15:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 23 of 24 in Discussion |
| Re ; message 22 IloveCyprus, Discussing the US's approach to foreign policy is not so much of a digression from the topic of this thread - Powerful US-based Jewish lobby groups will ensure that the approaches of both countries in the middle east are intrinsically linked. And with regard to your "Japan was not going to surrender" comment in message 16 - Don't you feel the US could have waited a little more than three days, before they dropped the second on Nagasaki? - Japan was still trying to comprehend what had hit them. Hopefully, Israel doesn't behave in the same way ... |
ilovecyprus

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Message Posted: 30/08/2010 15:19 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 24 of 24 in Discussion |
| msge 23 "Don't you feel the US could have waited a little more than three days, before they dropped the second on Nagasaki?" Yes |
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