cure for leishmania..

timefore


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Message Posted:
30/08/2010 17:25

Our dog has just been diagnosed with leishmania! Have heard that there is now a cure for it - has anyone had any experience of this treatment

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
30/08/2010 17:52

I would be very interested to hear the answer to this, I did see the article in the paper about it a few weeks ago and was hoping for a follow up, perhaps I missed it. My dog had Leishmaniasis and a cure came too late for her. Timefore, my dogs Leish was very well controlled with Allopurinol for 18 months, and she showed a vast improvement in that time. If you would like any info on my experience then please feel free to email me on m.p.m@live.co.uk .

timefore


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Message Posted:
30/08/2010 18:09

thanks Tinkie - going to see Ferdez tommorrow to have our dogs liver and kidney function checked, then we can discuss options - will update you on progress

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
30/08/2010 18:35

Good luck timefore, my dog was under Firdez, your dog couldnt be in better hands. x

TopTen


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 10:20

My dog Spike as just started on the treatment, very expensive but against the life of your dog peanuts

timefore


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 10:41

my sentiments exactly top ten

blade


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 10:47

There is two types of this, do you know which type your dog has?

The skin type can be treated, the other i am afraid is not.

Can you please tell me how your vet came to this conclusion?

cyprusjoker


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 11:10

How do you tell when your dog has leishmania ?

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 11:22

cyprusjoker ıt can manıfest ın many dıfferent ways, the most common sıgns are skın problems ears and face ın partıcular, excessive thirst, an eye infection that wont go away, my dog have very weak bladder control, which improved no end once she was on the medication.

TopTen


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 11:53

I googled it and it came up with various symptoms a kind of dermatitus/ bleeding from the nose/crooked nails/lack of appetite/thirst/diarhea/ but a blood test will tell you if your dog as it.My vet Pertev told me that there are two ways of treating it one is the expensive way that eradicates the bug in your dog the other is just to keep it under control with tablets. But he assured me that it is curable now.

timefore


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 12:08

just returned from vet



cj leishmania was confirmed with a blood test



our dog now on a course of 'allopurinol' tablets for the next year, ferdez told us that we would see a marked improvement within the next three weeks - so fingers crossed

spider


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 12:19

Nice news timefore and lets hope your dog is back in good health and happy again very soon.







Spider,X

timefore


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 13:35

thanks spider

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 15:54

People may want to have a look here





http://www.leishmaniasis.info/



hope your dog recovers timefore



Harold

YFred


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 15:57

Can somebody send some of this medicine to the southern lands please. My GC cousins down south have been frothing in the mouth since 1963. Now we know what they are suffering from.

BoBoBear


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Posts: 121

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 17:25

Hi all it was our dog that was in the paper. He is now doing really well he has finished the course of Milterforan and has been on allopurinol for the last month and a half, he needs another month and then we can check again with blood test but all the signs are great, his fur has all grown back he is eating as normal and as happy as can be..... please persue it if it had not been for me trawling the interenet for hours the day I found out he would have either had to undergo really painful injections or be put down. We are now going to treat the other dog who is still showing no signs but feel important to treat before he does. As soon as we have test done will post and follow up in Cyprus today.

BoBoBear


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 17:26

Sorry meant to say prices should be about 250 euros for a 28 treatment

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 17:29

What great news BOBOBEAR, I really hope that the next set of tests are what you are hoping for. I only wish that this medication had been available a couple of years ago when my dog was diagnosed. She was on the Allopurinol, and did well on it, but sadly it can have side effects, and we lost her 6 months ago. However I do know people who have younger fitter dogs and they are doing very well on the Allopurinol as I so hope timefores dog does.



Look forward to reading the follow up in Cyprus Today.

timefore


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 18:24

Thanks harold and tinkie. Will keep you all posted as to our dogs (Kojak) progress over the coming weeks

BoBoBear


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 20:00

allopurinol alone really is not enough if you read all the vets journals online they all say the milterforan followed up by the allopurinol, its worth really researching.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 20:51

Anybody who keeps a dog that has confirmed Leichmaniasis, deserves to get it themselves - have they any idea how dangerous and contagious this disease, especially 'Visceral Leichmaniasis', is?



Obviously not, otherwise they wouldn't be selfish enough to put the entire community at risk, never mind all the other dogs in the vicinity - some 'dog lovers!



No excuses, whatsoever!

measey


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 21:07

Tenakoutou. if your right have to agree more facts please.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 21:10

Too right I'm right, 'measey'!



Just Google it and see - Wiki will tell yas!

darkeyes


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Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:44

Can you tell me what the side effects for the allopurinol are please?

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:16

darkeyes, allopurinol is toxic, and can cause damage to the internal organs. A regular blood check at the vet will tell you whether the organs are being affected or not.



Tenakoutou, you have made your feeling on owners whose dogs have Leishmaniasis perfectly clear in the past. The truth is as long as the owner is responsible and always ensures that the dog has a fresh paraband collar on then there is no risk to the community, the vets here would not be encouraging owners to treat and hopefully now cure these infected dogs if they thought that there was a serious risk to others...please give these owners a break, it is a terrible thing to be faced with.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 09:34

I agree, Tinkie, it's a heartbreaking trauma to face, and you have my utmost sympathy.



However, if your dog got rabies, you would have to have it put down, wouldn't you?



Everytime another uninfected sandfly draws blood from a Leichmaniasis infected dog [the carrier], the cycle is perpetuated.



Most vets here want your money, they couldn't care less about your dog, or anybody else - we found that out!



You say 'hopefully cure these infected dogs' - please post again when your dog is completely cured.



Until then, you are putting the community [including other dogs in the immediate vicinity] at risk.



I'm sure you are a decent, kind person, but I make no apologies for finding this both selfish and irresponsible behaviour, and most unkind and inconsiderate towards the suffering dog(s).



If I have posted the same reaction in the past, then this is a timely reminder!

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 10:33

Actually Tenaktou, my dog died and you would see that if you bothered to read what I had said on here, I certainly dont agree with you about the vets here, we have never had anything but the greatest care from our vet and there have been many times when she didnt charge us, so perhaps you are using the wrong vet.

timefore


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 12:57

my sentiments exactly Tinkie

TopTen


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 13:32

Tenakatou where are you coming from you silly man, dogs and humans get the desease from SAND FLIES and I know a person with dogs who caught this desease but her dogs did not. And before you tell me that a infected dog bitten by a sand fly can then pass it on, but if you take the right precautions the chances of this happening is negligable.

spider


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 13:33

I must say that I am with Tenakoutou on this one, We have three dogs we love very very much and we lost one that we brought over from the UK to the big P.. But my husband had a tick that had embedded into his back and it was their a number of years ! We assumed it was a large black head, It is removed now but having read an article about someone dying because of this It was horrendous knowing that it was a tick. We may well soon have to put to sleep our German Shepherd Chelsea who we found on 44 some my well remember the story but she is getting very old and not so good on her back legs, but when the time comes it has to be.



My thoughts on this one.



Spider,X

vikingqueen



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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 14:01

my Kangal was diagnosed with Leishmania last year by Ferdez but I was not told to get Allopurinal,,,, can that medication cure a dog>>??

timefore


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 14:20

vikingqueen Allopurinal will not cure he disease, just control it - the dog is still a carrier

TopTen


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 14:33

Vikingqueen

been told by Pertev that a course of this Milteforan followed by 12 mnths of tablets will get rid of it out of your dog

spider


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 14:49

Thats two top Vets here with very different views thats interesting to say the least !





Spider,X

vikingqueen



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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 15:32

what will happend in the end I wonder, I DREAD the day I loose him

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 15:45

vikingqueen, take him back to the vet, I think that he should be put on to Allopurinol asap as it should go left untreated. The important thing with the medication is that you never miss a tablet, you should see a vast improvement in him within a couple of weeks.

vikingqueen



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Posts: 241

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 15:53

OMG reading all this is freaking me out, bcs I have a grand daughter 2.5 years old, and now I worried about her coming to me with the dog in the house:-(

BoBoBear


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 16:35

Vikingqueen I have a 4 year old, there is no way I would have kept our dogs around if I thought in anyway it was going to be a problem. As long as your dog is wearing a paraband collar or if you can get one of the scalibor collars then the sand flies wont go near your dog. It is not transmited in any other way apart from the sandfly passing it on, now if you think logically that sandfly could have been anywhere in your surrounding area if there are dogs in your area without the collar then who knows but we cannot protect from that, lets face it without regular blood tests on all dogs every 6 months many owners could have their own dogs with it without knowing it, one of ours is still showing no signs at all in any way and only the blood test conifmed it. All I can say is like Pertev get the Milterforan. Chicco as the trial is a picture of health!

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
01/09/2010 16:53

i agree BOBOBear, our dog must have had it for 4 years, in fact she probably contracted it not after we brought her over from the Uk, the only sign was a bit of dry skin on her ear which gradually got worse. At that time the vets didnt really know about Leish and despite taking her to the vet several times it wasnt picked up until she started displaying other symptoms which to be honest we put down to her age, like weak bladder, stiff joints etc. We had her for all that time, near my neices and nephews, without knowing that she had it and none of us ever contracted it. Be responsible by ensuring that the dog wears a fresh paraband collar, if it gets wet replace it, replace it anyway every 3 months. If you do this then your family and you are protected because the sand flies stay away.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
02/09/2010 08:55

Tinkie/Msg 39: 'If you do this then your family and you are protected because the sand flies stay away.'



So, when you put this 'magic collar' on your dog, the sandflies will stay away from you and your family, who, presumably won't be wearing 'magic collars' and, of course, exhaling nil Co2, which is the main sandfly attractant?



It beggars belief that people can be so naive as to post such [seriously dangerous] gibberish!

vikingqueen



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Message Posted:
02/09/2010 09:39

If I had not been on Cyprus44 reading this..... I would never have known that there is a new product on the market for Leich........

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
02/09/2010 11:23

vikingqueen/Msg 41:



Your worry and concern for your baby grandaughter is well justified and, hopefully, takes precedence over the dog - so, it's between you and your conscience to make an understandably hard decision - you know your options.



Would you ever forgive yourself if the baby contracted this horrible disease because you thought 'this could never happen'?



Only when there is a sure cure for 'Leichmaniasis' can you, and others with infected dogs, afford to relax.

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
02/09/2010 11:57

Below is a link to a website with Q and A. They recommend that babies and toddlers be kept away from infected dogs:



http://www.leishmaniasis.info/faq_2.htm

mitsi


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Posts: 345

Message Posted:
02/09/2010 13:20

I agree that you should take care aroun d an infected animal and conform to strict hygiene procedures at all times BUT none of us can pevent being bitten by sand flies and therefore potentially may get infected with Leish anyway. We do not wear paraband/scalibor collars do we? There is a very high rate of sandflies in Catalkoy and wherever you find sheep, cattle etc;

Also allopurinol is used as a prophylactic for gout and has been around for a very long time. i had no idea it was used to treat Leish infected animals. would like to know whether or not Milteforan is a cure or not.

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
03/09/2010 10:15

Re msg 40, Tenakoutou, you are not the only person in Cyprus who has access to Google. To call me naive and to say that what I said was gibberish is insulting. You have a very blinkered view on the whole issue. It is devastating to discover that your beloved family pet has this terrible disease, and believe me when I say that I did lots of research on the matter before I made the decision to keep my dog alive for as long as possible. Please leave people to make their own choices on this matter I can assure you that they will feel bad enough about it all without you brow beating them with your bully boy posts on here!

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
03/09/2010 17:59

Re Msg 45:



Facts are facts - face it, Tinkie - I've already said that you're probably a nice person - simply naive and blinkered re this issue.



If you, indeed, have done your research thoroughly, then you should be aware of the dangers. If you ignore the very specific, scientifically researched warnings concerning contagion, the moment that you publicly posted that your affection for your dog obviously supercedes all else - that, in my opinion makes you thoughtless, irresponsible and selfish.



As for your accusation of 'bully-boy' tactics on my part, it's time you realised that I've as much right to post my opinions on this thread as anyone else, including you.

timefore


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Posts: 495

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 19:02

went to see ferdez today with 'Kojak' - been on the allopurinol for 1 week and already there is a marked improvement in his condition - fingers crossed



any news on your dog Tinkie?

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
08/09/2010 19:09

Thats good news for Kojak, I hope that he continues to improve. No sign of Tink unfortunately. x

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
08/09/2010 20:32

Check it out!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlebotomus

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
08/09/2010 21:31

Theres just no stopping you Tenakoutou is there???? Keep trying to ignore you but you are like a bad smell!

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 11:16

Tinkie/Msg 50: 'Keep trying to ignore you but you are like a bad smell!'



Keeping a 'Leishmaniasis' infected, drooling, scabby, faeces spurting dog in your house, you obviously don't have any normal sense of smell - neither any social responsibility?



Would you like further advice as to where to embed your [infected] dog's nose - or are you doing that already?



YUK!!!

timefore


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 11:51

Go away Tenakoutou, surpose you would have all HIV and Aids infected carriers put down as well!!!

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:01

MSG 51, your posts are getting more ridiculous! Drooling, scabby, faeces spurting???? WHAT?? Clearly you have no experience of a dog with this disease...I pity anyone who gets an infectious disease in your house, shotgun straight to the head I would imagine! Thank god for Google, you really are a clever boy!

timefore


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:17

should read suppose not surpose (irritability probable cause of smelling mistake)

martinD41


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 16:32

Msg52 timefore,

We are told by the World Health Authority that HIV cannot be spread by way of insect bites..However the fact is that your poor dog is suffering from a disease which can be controlled but not cured..and can most definitely be spread to humans by biting insects ie mozis, sand flies etc; I would't want to be in your position, I just hope that you fully understand the disease....

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:49

martinD41/Msg 55: 'and can most definitely be spread to humans by biting insects ie mozis, sand flies etc;'



Thank you for your timely endorsement!



However, any and ALL warnings will prove totally ineffectual towards such conceited, blinkered and ignorant people - selfish to the core.



'Leishmaniasis' in dogs should be a 'Notifiable Disease', with heavy penalties for not reporting it.



Instead of discriminating against the under 60's expatriate population with mandatory, annual blood tests, the government should be legislating against the continuing allowance of all these infected animals' owners anti-social behaviour and, for once, do the whole community some actual good!

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 09:55

No further comment [read excuses!], Tinkie/timefore - too busy 'treating' your poor, infected dogs' drooling noses?



Yuk!

Tinkie


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 10:18

I am suprised that your pea sized brain can retain so much of the info you have googled about Leish, and yet it just cant seem to grasp the fact that my dog died, see msg 18 and 27, you are a tactless and insensitive bore, who perhpas should learn from experience rather than what you can pick up on a search engine. Maybe people are so sick of reading your boring drivel, they just cant be bothered to answer....its like talking to a wall.

timefore


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Message Posted:
11/09/2010 13:17

well said Tinkie

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
11/09/2010 16:09

Tinkie & timefore:



Isn't it about time you two ceased attempting to defend the indefensible?



I'm quite aware that your dog is dead; what galls me, and no doubt others, is the amount of unnecessary suffering incurred by the dogs that people, such as your selfish selves, are prepared force the poor creatures to endure.



And that is leaving aside the very real threat of exposing everybody else, whom you nonsensically claim are not at risk.



So called 'dog lovers' who do this are beneath contempt!



Yuk!

Tinkie


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 16:24

You insufferable little man, have no idea at all of any of our circumstances, and I am certainly not trying to defend myself as a pet owner and animal lover to you, whose knowledge of this disease comes from the internet and not real life. You are at far greater risk from stray dogs then you ever would be from an owner whose dog has been diagnosed and who has taken appropriate measures to safeguard those around the dog, and as for talking of unnecessary suffering, would you suggest owners take the advice of you, (who are you again??), over their trusted and experienced vet?

martinD41


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Message Posted:
11/09/2010 19:13

My,My, stray dogs, re homed dogs, KAR specials. ie; neuter and release, sand flies , Leishmania!!!





The word ARMAGEDDON springs to mind.

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
11/09/2010 21:03

I think that the vet who neuters tests for Leishmaniasis now on the KAR dogs, at least I know they do if they are displaying any sort of symptom that could be Leish, if positive they are PTS.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
12/09/2010 00:15

tinkie msg 63 ...I very much doubt it , the dogs that are neutered and released {a contentious argument}are NOT wearing para-band collars and leish takes anything up to 3 months to appear ......Any dogs re-homed from KAR have come from a holding camp full of disease {so I am told, not my words but it is obvious } and should have to be tested at KARS expense, as part of the re-homing package, anything less in my opinion is contrary to good animal management ..... By the way,Flea, tick ,and worm treatment only lasts 3 months at best so who deals with this after KAR have washed there hands of the neuter and release animals? Oh yes us ex-pats ...

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
12/09/2010 09:22

about year ago a stray took up residence in some apartments in lapta, she was heavily pregnant, KAR took her, waited for her to have the pups and then took her to be neutered and were going to release her back to the area she came from, however she had very sticky eyes, which can be a symptom of Leish, they tested her she was positive, they wouldnt release her back and all the pups were PTS also. So I know it does happen Martin, but you are right and Im sure its not every dog and of course if they take a stray in the kindest thing is to PTS than to return it to an uncertain life on the street.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
12/09/2010 09:51

Tinkie/Msg 65: ' So I know it does happen Martin, but you are right....'



martinD41 mentions specifics and you agree with him, as I certainly do.



How perverse you are, having just quashed your own argument!



And, pray tell me, what difference is there in a feral/stray dog with Leishmaniasis compared with the domestic variety?



To save you the trouble and anxiety of responding, I'll tell you: it depends on the bitch!

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
12/09/2010 10:06

I will spell it out for you silly man, strays cannot be medicated daily to control the illness because they do not have owners to do it for them...therefore they are suffering and of course Martin is right they should be PTS. Also strays cannot have paraband collars replaced every 3 months because they do not have owners do that for them, so there is a risk to the community. HOWEVER, dogs that have a home and a conscientious owner will be moniterd very carefully and will be wearing a fresh paraband collar and therefore are not a risk to the community. Glad to have been able to point that out to you Tenakoutou....doesnt take rocket science to work out the difference between a stray and domesticated dog, but I was more than happy to help you work it out. No quashing of my own arguement, I have never said that strays who are found to have Leish should not be PTS, there is no other way.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
12/09/2010 11:28

Tinkie/Msg 67: '....doesnt take rocket science to work out the difference between a stray and domesticated dog...'



Only a dim-wit could believe that any dog, feral or domestic, that has once contracted Leishmaniasis, will continue to be a 'carrier'. Putting on a 'Paraband' collar is equivalent to 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted' - your ignorant protestations to the contrary should fail to convince anyone, with a modicum of intelligence, otherwise.



So, basically, by keeping an infected dog, YOU [or anyone else] are the public health hazard!



How 'silly' and 'insufferable' is that?



Yuk!

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
12/09/2010 11:32

Re Msg 68:



'will continue to be a carrier' - should have read: 'will NOT continue to be a carrier.'

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
12/09/2010 11:33

Thank you for the enlightenment Tenakoutou, you are a champ! I will be sure to look you up if ever my hands fall off and I cant google it myself.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
12/09/2010 12:39

That's always a pleasure, Tinkie - don't just thank me, buy me something!