ex pats ,is it time to go back home

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 18:27

i have been reading so much negative postings on the forum lately on the kktc ,not from all ex pats ,

nevertheless quite a few is it time to make a move back home or move to another country prehaps .



most of your negativity is the kktc government or the property issues and how badly you are being treated

sure it,s become harder and more expensive ,but then where in the world has,nt.



we don,t live with politicians or mix with them ,our every day life comprises with normal people and most turkish cypriots are lovely people,so my question is HANDS UP those people who are ready to leave for whatever reason.





musin



long live the kktc

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 18:48

Musin,



I will not leave without a fight to get what is rightly mine. My house that I have paid in full (less Land Registry off course!)



The Cypriot people are lovely people and the TRNC is a beautiful place so I will not be wanting to leave.



Good post mate and I agree with you



Long live the KKTC!!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 18:50

Musin,



you seem to have missed the point. Lets just recap on what the Ex pats are being negative about.



1. Many have bought with contracts that stated their purchases would be free from all encumbrances only to find out that the builder, who would not transfer deeds (no legal requirement) when the purchaser had paid in full, have now taken out a mortgage or there has been memorandums put on their property leaving them with the fear of becoming homeless or having to pay of the builders debts. Even those that have paid the builders debts have still not been given their title deeds.

This problem could be addressed immediately if the Government wanted to do so. Why not introduce a law which makes it a legal requirement to hand over the deeds as soon as the buyer has paid in full. Why not speed up the PTP process. Why not make the builder responsible, after all, it is their debt? Why should the innocent buyer be held responsible?

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 18:55

Musin, You probably need to wake up to the situation here, the TRNC has'nt got a pot to piss in, have been sucking the Turkish teet for so long and playing the victim their get up and go has got up and gone.The TC goverment are clueless in running the place and ruin is not far away. Turkey I believe is letting the place go bust so it can pick up the reigns then over populate the place with mainlanders. The TCs will be history, and NC will be a region of the mainland and kktc will live no longer. Life here will be a dream the corruption will cease, we will all get our deeds, rubbish will be recycled the only draw back will be the price of a pint, I cant wait, so no doubt we will be seeing TCs moaning more than Brits ever could in a couple of years.



D.N

long live Turkey

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 18:55

we are home iot is time fort he racist corrupt inept government to get a grip and sort the tr c out.

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 18:57

we are home it is time for the racist corrupt inept government to get a grip and sort the trc out.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 18:59

2. Why don't the Government come clean and inform buyers that they will not give PTP to Pre 74 Turkish title? Why stand back and watch people pay in full for a property they will never own?



3. Why do they not act to stop the very evident discrimination that exists?



You need to concentrate on what people are complaining about and what is making them want to move on? This is not a question about people and countries, its about right and wrong.Its about people losing their life savings and having no support or redress.



You make it very evident that you do not like ex pats complaining or being negative about your homeland but surely you can see that what is happening is unjust? I suggest you look further than your nose end and your attempts to hush up the complainers and think carefully what the long term future of the TRNC will be if it continues on this self destructive course. Work with us.....not against us. Change is necessary for the greater good of all.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 19:01

Hi Musin,



After reading your posting, the first thing that came to mind was, "from the mouths of babes"



Listen to the wise words of Bradus. She is not anti TRNC....she is a victim!



Listen to the words of DN. Not my way of saying things, but words of wisdom non the less!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 19:01

Long live the KKTC then all the London Cypriots who have had a whale of a time can come on over and live the dream as we do...What and give up all what they have made to leave it back in a good old English town,money spent on a mans castle and all that. When perhaps they all leave behind what they have some here might also but very few would be my thinking..Hay we all have to live with a government but this one here is not listening to the crying of people who are loosing so very much..would you give up what you have worked all your life for..No..youll sell up and bring it all here with you thats for sure and all the other Turkish Cypriots wanting to retire back here..maybe just maybe when that happens and it will be a few years yet..some voices may well be heard.





Spider,X

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 19:04

Message 3



it does annoy me that people seem to think it is only the ex pats, brits etc that have been duped by builders.....WRONG........There are many turkish cypriots that have also been hard done by the goverment, or solicitors or builders etc etc.





if you choose to live in any country, you have no choice but to put up with its good points and bad......no matter what country you choose to live in, TRNC, Turkey,Spain, UK, America, blah blah blah, its all the same...



same shit , different day.....

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 19:07

Musin.....yet again you are a very vocal supporter of the TRNC....from the relative comfort of London !



You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder and try to twist any criticism of the TRNC into a perceived hatred towards TC's in general.



You do yourself or your cause no favours !



You have already admitted on a previous thread that TRNC has a rotten and corrupt government.

Why don't you return to your beloved KKTC and fight to make it a better place?



The TRNC is being ruined for everyone....TC's and ex-pats alike !

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 19:10

We hear it from the London TCs on the beaches every August..







Spider,X

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 19:12

Hear what Spider ?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 19:13

cont



Non of us were anti TRNC. In fact I used to support you with most of your postings.



We are victims of The System. Corruption. nepotism were not we bought into.



Sure depress the housing market and make them feel unwelcome. Housings for all at half the going rate



Musim The TrNC so called Government have been spragged. As Cronus said, they have played a blinder.



The BRITISH sure the wingeing pomme syndrome, are the most fair minded people on the planet, but enough



is enough! If you want us to leave, no problem but we would like a fair return on the investments we made in



this wretched debt ridden economy.



Smell the flowers, and wake up to the fact that when your Government start to abide by inernationally



accepted standards of behavoir, they will deserve the respect that you so rightly are trying to m

give them.



Wynyardman

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 19:16

Great post Wyn



Hopefully this will sink in , and the "locals"....even those that live in the UK....will support the necessary changes to give their country the prosperity and recognition it deserves.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 19:23

Billyboy1



I am well aware that some TC's have also been duped by builders too. Many are shouting loud and clear and are also seeking changes that will safeguard others. They too are helping support the pressure groups that are springing up, ashamed at what is happening. AND SO THEY SHOULD BE.



I totally disagree that "you have no choice but to put up with the good and bad points" Do you really expect those that have lost their life savings to simply grin and bare it? Should the pensioners whose houses have been auctioned just put it down to the "Cyprus way" Should the Topas buyers simply hand over another £15000 to pay their builders debts and be left still worrying that there won't be any guarantee of finishing off their homes or getting their deeds?



What a selfish outlook you have! Another I'm alright Jack! How can anyone be so insensitive to others that stand to be homeless or penniless? Its not the ex pats ruining the country, the TRNC Government are doing a fine job.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 20:12

message 13 crones We hear the London TCs talking about once they get their British pensions they will all come over here and be a REAL TC..Sell up and all that ! My guess is they will all be in for quite a shock if they get treated like the Brits over here, Not sure they would be happy investing all into what..Nothing !







Spider,X

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 20:22

Oh dear Musin, looks like you are saying "If you can't stand the heat keep out of the kitchen"?

Similarly then, if you can't stand the heat of the results of the actions of your corrupt compatriots, then I suggest you keep out of the kitchen of Cyprus44!

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 20:33

It's good to see someone taking advantage of the UK and earning a good living being so concerned about his home country.



I mean how dare those Brits come to Cyprus and spend all their ill gotten gains on housing etc that many of them will never own.



Of course let's not forget the strains all those unhealthy HIV ridden Brits with their high birth rates will put on the local health system.



And as for the effect they will have on local politics with their voting rights?



Kick em out!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 20:35

Spyder,



My gut feeling is that they have now bled the Brits dry, they want them out, but they have no intention of



letting take their capital with them.



Just look at how they interpret their laws. It does not take a brain surgeon to work it out!



Deliberatley depress the housing market and then put the pressure on to make them feel unwelcome



Lock in their capital into the falling property market.



Cheap housing all round for TCs or maimland Turks.



If the next lot for the sacrificial alter are The Russians they may well find that they interpret the law more



liberally than the Brits!!



Better the devil you know maybe.!!



Before I get the usual comments, refund my money, and you wont see me for smoke!



Written in The UK where we have brilliant sunshine, and cool crisp evenings., and a Health Service where you



dont have to keep a postal address in the UK.





wynyardman

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 20:36

cronos

you do not disappoint ,



sue

you are quite right of course in what you say and i agree with most if not all of what you say ,however calling me selfish is rather silly as you really don,t know me ,i have also bought a property recently and paid the same price as you guys have ,and my family and i have land and property in the south of the island which we have no access too ,at least you have access to yours,but that,s not why i started this thread it was simply a question .



still i am not supprised at the personal attack ,which brings me back to my original question ,or maybe i should have asked those who can maybe should think about ending this chapter in their lives ,it,s quite obvious

they are unhappy with one thing or another.



the question i ask is off the back of so many negative threads about the kktc ,but some of you think it,s a racists remark ,i have pointed out i know what the kktc government is and aware of much more than some guys are.



musin

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 20:39

Spider...msg 17



Well the way things are going if they all do decide to return to their glorious TRNC homeland after bravely putting up with the UK for so long, then there should be plenty of cheap housing for them to move into !



The TRNC have sold all the land that wasn't theirs to the foreigners....and will then leave them to their fate resulting from any "settlement" with the rightful GC owners.



And all the land that WAS theirs to sell....The Pre-74 Turkish Title....they've decided to keep that for themselves....but not before "selling" it to Brits but having no intention of giving them PTP and title Deeds.



Absolutely shameful.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 20:49

Wyn your last statement makes me think Oh yes lest take the grandmother home for treatment springs to mind !



cronos you have got it in one ) they HOPE...But.



The full blown British are fighters you know. Nothing like a man going to war because he believes.



Dont despair Spider is here with never ending positive posts )



Spider,X

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 20:56

Musin,



I understand you love your homeland, but it's Government just can't continue to stick it's head in the sand, the reality is that victims are about to lose their homes! unless that Government has a very quick change of heart!



So many have lost so much, and it's not just down to the economic climate, but to the incompetence that not just this Government but it's predecessor practiced!



The previous TRNC Government stole my life savings, along with many more like me, I am certainly not in a minority, now they want to steal victims completed homes, which these victims have paid for in full as per their contracts, they are as much to blame as the corrupt builders, advocates, and estate agents, in fact they are more to blame, they can put thing right very quickly and effectively, but choose not to do so, unlike their victims, who have no choice to leave your beloved country, your wonderful Country's Government have bled them dry!



Many victims would love to go home!

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:01

Have a really nice life in the UK Musin without all the crap we have to put up with here. All we all ask is to be treated like you are in the UK? Is that too much? Come back and live among us, see then how you feel!

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:02

MUSIM M, Looks like out of 9757 members there are about 8 who are dissatisfied and wish to air their problems. That leaves 9749 who are either happy or just members for information and the crack. Lets say, for fun, that 20% of them are just watching because they wonder what is going on - that leaves us 7800 (round figure) who still have not picked sides or have nothing to say or don't want to get involved in a pointless argument with 3 or 4 other died in the wool protagonists! Get rid of another 50% for that then = 3900 left (round figure again).



Can't really knock off anymore as it gets silly so I guess we are left with 1 in every 487 who are actually happy here and have learnt the truth about commitment to the country of choice.



Lies, damn lies and statistics!!!!!!!!!



Happy here and have no intention of leaving - then again, did not expect to make money out of a house or investment and did loads of homework first! Skint but happy Brit - like most TC's.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:04

Well said Waddo

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:04

Musin,



Please read my posts and you will see that I never called YOU selfish. My aim would be for us all to identify what is right and wrong and work in partnership to make the TRNC a place to be proud of . If it continues in its present form its already tarnished reputation will get even worse. It is possible and its not too late but there has to be some realism about the sorry state of affairs regarding property purchase.



Kind Regards

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:06

Homeland I think not more like Mother or Father Land..London TCs are born in London well that is my thinking !



Musin Why not ask the question in another way, The ones that have left Why did they leave ? Come on your asking for an answer perhaps those that have left may oblige you. But it seems to me that the ones that are staying are fighting for what is theirs and not giving up. quite simple when you think about it.





Spider,X

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:08

Waddo......what a ridiculous post.



Are you actually cliaming that there are only 8 people "dissatisfied" with what is happening in the TRNC ?



Get a grip and show some sympathy !



Oh,but I note that you are another who did all their "homework"...that 100% guaranteed infallible system that will protect you in the TRNC.

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:11

messgae 16



Bradus/suzie





"What a selfish outlook you have! Another I'm alright Jack! How can anyone be so insensitive to others that stand to be homeless or penniless? Its not the ex pats ruining the country, the TRNC Government are doing a fine job."



I do not have a selfish outlook

I am not alright jack

i am not insensitive

Please do not presume any thing about me, when you know absolutely nothing about me or mine, just cause i choose not to shoot my mouth off about my life..



i hope that people whether brits or tc's or whatever nationality get there properties etc sorted , but i personally think it will be a long time coming....



yes the goverment is not great, but tell me which goverment is......

wings


Joined: 25/06/2010
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:13

Dixie Normus

I have never seen the future written more clearly and agree with you in entirely. Maybe someday our fellow member will examine the GDP here and the percentage of foreign investment from the UK expatriates and other Europeans. I am sure the Turkish government will resolve a lot more than property issues in many ways. Not to mention Interpol extracting those hiding from justice.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:13

MUSIN M:



Not so long ago, I met a Melbourne [40 years Australian Cypriot - really nice guy], it was at the Customs in Lefosia, after they'd impounded the car he'd just shipped from Australia. To cut the story short, he was crying with shame at the way his compatriots were now behaving, having been 'shafted' on both house and car - how shattered were his [misplaced] nostagic dreams of returning to his homeland. He told us that he was going to ship his car back to Melbourne, rather than [his words 'let this pack of bastards steal it' - how sorry we felt for this good man. He couldn't wait to get out of TRNC.



Doesn't it make you feel just a bit ashamed at what your compatriots are doing - even to their own?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:17

Tenakoutou......unfortunately I think that many returning TC's will have a shock when they come back to live amongst "their own ".

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:23

Musim, quiet springs to mind Stand up and be counted. This is not just an expat thing, your own are being shafted BIG time

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:24

Come on folks Musin is a bloody London builder age 55, hes just wanting to retire here just like the rest of us, he must be a Brit ) Its the Question i object to..The same sort of question that perhaps was asked just before the war here or any war around the world...Is it time you went home..WHAT.





Spider,X

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:27

Spider where is home, most us cannot afford to go or do not have one anymore, just have to hang to what we call home here

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:41

Thats right Natalie if you call it home then your home is here, Best wishes.







Spider,X

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 21:45

Good luck spider x

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 22:12

spider



i am british ,well i have dual nationality ,however i was born in nicosia to turkish cypriot parents and have never really been away from cyprus ,

natalie of course we are all being shafted .



there is more truth in one paragraph in your message 37 then you have been given credit for,maybe that,s the answer most don,t want to give.





i can see it,s upset a lot of people ,what i don,t understand is why with me

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 22:16

spider



i am british ,well i have dual nationality ,however i was born in nicosia to turkish cypriot parents and have never really been away from cyprus ,

natalie of course we are all being shafted .



there is more truth in one paragraph in your message 37 then you have been given credit for,maybe that,s the answer most don,t want to give.





i can see it,s upset a lot of people ,what i don,t understand is why with me



tenakoutou



how many times in the 40 years has your australian friend been back to cyprus.





musin



long live the kktc

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 22:44

cronos,msg 22;

>>"The TRNC have sold all the land that wasn't theirs to the foreigners....and will then leave them to their fate resulting from any "settlement" with the rightful GC owners. "<<



Says who?????

Corruption is one thing I would not disagree with you or anyone else,but above comment.....I urge you to be brave enough to say it to my face and anyone else for that matter.

Are you a greek cypriot by any chance?????

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 22:46

Yorgo.....when you resort to accusing people of being Greek Cypriot you really have lost the argument.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 22:48

I dont know why I am laughing but I have found that very funny )) and I dont even know you cronos..





Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 22:54

waddo,msg 26;

Most of them cant go back to UK!They took a great pleasure to tell me how much they conned the system for before they came over!Or did you think they were here because they love TRNC?Like yourself

ps.Of course I'm aware of the 'few' decent ones whom are open for discussions/critisism.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 22:54

cronos............was that your best shot?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 22:57

cronos



how has yorgo lost the argument ,i could say the same of you,prehaps you should read your own posts back to yourself. just a second ago spider accused me of being a brit,maybe we have all lost the argument.



yorgozlu



benim tagminim bu adam rumdur ,ne zaman birsey sorarik hemen atilir ve kibrizi siyah boyadir ve insanlarni.



musin





long live the kktc

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:01

If all else fails accuse the sender of being GC or Pike!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:03

Musin....Maybe you should read my post back to yourself without jumping in feet first.



Yorgo has lost the argument when he has to resort to accusing me of being a GC.

What are you saying.....anyone who criticises the TRNC must be a Greek Cypriot?



I am not responsible for Spider or anyone elses comments,but she seems to have hit a nerve.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:14

cronos



anyone who criticises the kktc must be a greek ,.....no you are doing OK.



sue



when you say if all fails ,i am not quite sure what you mean,what has failed ,has there been a task .



musin





long live the kktc

Soupseed


Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 101

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:17

Where are the moderaters when you need em.



this is one massive flamewar!



Honestly, there is either a post where everyone is taking the piss & having a laugh at someone! or ones like this where everyone is getting pent up & personal.



Please dont attack the poster cause he has an opinion. instead give your own opinion on the subject!

Stop trying to score points & make yourself the alpha male or whatever it is that makes you have to be the winner or the biggest smart arse or whatever, & who knows better than everyone!!

loulouis


Joined: 13/12/2009
Posts: 234

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:29

I for one still love north cyprus, Musin great question , corrupt goverments well.... corrupt business men well...

re posessions in the uk at an all time high . Errrr America ex pats in Florida errrr.... ex pats in Spain err.....



Is there any country in the world who dont treat expats . asylum seekers, illegal immigrants etc. etc. as they do in NC . I personally have never found a TC to be racist .



Louloui

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:38

Mursin you advertise yourself as a London Builder age 55yrs..my guess and its just my guess is that you are tired of the way you live in London..and you come on here very insulting most of the time..I will ask you again why is it that you did no just ask the British people that have gone back home why they went..instead of asking is it time they went back home..My guess is you are not much better than the klu klux gang very angry and just wishing you could live over here, Perhaps you have not quite made enough money from the British pots to enable your retirement over here.and you sit in your little box back home winding this forum up ))) I am entitled to my own judgement on your past posting..and that is how I see it. Lets keep it to the topic Ex pats is it time you went back...I am sure most will go back if and when they are ready.



Spider,X )

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:41

Louloui I think you have just found one in Mursin..







Spider,X

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:41

I can't go back, it has been so long I forget where back is

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:43

soupseed



there is no need for moderators.



loulouis



thank you ,if most of the posters read the post to start with ,in which i stated that we all live amonst normal people and not government officials or builders and most turkish people are nice people,wherever in the world we live we must at least be grateful for nice people.



musin



long live the kktc

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:49

Musin,

The thing is, we all have differences of opinion and want to get that across so people know where we are coming from, that's when the disputes start.



Ask most people and they will say that North Cyprus is a great place to be however there are always exceptions and some need to get the reasons for the exception across every chance they get.

I feel for some of them as they have got the really bad end of the stick thanks to some of the situations in NC, I do get bored of hearing about it on a forum that nobody of any power will read but that is my opinion.



You are right, we should be greatful for the nice people we meet and hopefully that is all we will meet in the future.



Paul

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:53

spider



klu klux clan.........................................no comment .



where have i insulted anyone ,i am just asking questions, it,s you insulting you have just called me a racist.





musin



long live the kktc

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:55

Musin 1089 postings from you to date and not all of them are so very nice..Perhaps just some people dont know how to read past posts.



Long live the kktc and long live the ones who want to stay here stay.all the TCs I have met are wonderful kind loving people..and being raised in London can make a man angry and streetwise giving this same attitude in his every walk of life. would you not agree Musin.



Spider,X

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:55

Proger..."I do get bored of hearing about it on a forum that nobody of any power will read but that is my opinion."



I'm sure that the ever increasing number of TRNC property victims , both Brit and TC, would be very happy if their only issue was boredom.



And your comment that nobody of any power will read it?



1) I'm sure that the powers that be DO read this forum....they just don't acknowledge or act upon it.



2) It is still a valid reason to post if it prevents potential buyers make the same mistakes.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:57

cronos



>>"Yorgo has lost the argument when he has to resort to accusing me of being a GC. "<<



First of all,you HAVE TO lose half your family thruogh wars,

Secondly,you HAVE TO witness at least half of that taking place before your own eyes,



Only then you might and I mean just might understand the reason of my comments.........until then for you and the likes of you there is only one way and thats the highway.



If all of you that think lands and properties in TRNC you've bought are stolen.........well,the law in UK springs to mind......'buying stolen goods is a bigger crime then stealing!!'.......then I'm afraid you deserve all you get.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 23:59

thanks



paul



this is what i was trying to establish ,however i have been attacked for some unknown reason too the extreme that i have been associated with the klu klux clan ,a tc a member ,dear oh dear.



musin



long live the kktc

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:01

lou

Repossessions in Britain are because people have not repaid their mortgage. They do not occur to people who pay in full and then have it taken from them because the builder has run back to Turkey owing money,spent it in a casino or gone bankrupt!



Musin,

The tourist industry is on its knees. Each year the hotels get less business.In part this is due to the drop in buyers. When I was waiting for my property to be completed I spent at least 5 holidays in TRNC hotels. Nearly everyone I met staying in these hotels were buying. We all hired cars, ate in restaurants and paid to visit beaches and tourist spots. This has now all ended with the decline in the construction industry. If the Government do not get their act together exactly how will the economy improve? How will you create the jobs that give the locals the good standard of living they deserve?



It wouldn't take much to restore confidence, 1 or 2 new laws so why the apathy? Non-action will not improve peoples living stan

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:04

my take is that many Cypriots left in the troubles, some went to wood green or around north London. They got re homed in council houses. after a time they could buy them and sell them down the line. Nice profit. TRNC was put on the map as being a cheap place for ex pats to buy, hi hip horah.we jump on the band wagon. claim we had land.Who will dispute me. Oh dear you are my friend trust me, sorry is that a knife in my back. now i can get the villa of my dreams in my place called home. I'm sorry Mus i live your posts but it all leaves us cynical. sorry

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:05

cronos, It is exactly what you just did that makes it boring to me but thanks for proving the point.



How about you don't attack me for making a statement about my beliefs, I said I feel for your situation but I (emphasis on me) got bored.



I still don't think that repeating your issues on here continuously will help you in any way but that doesn't mean I am telling you to stop, I am just finding it hard to avoid reading them because they come up on several threads which do have content I would like to read.

1) You are sure, I doubt it, why did it need stating by you.

2) valid, maybe, I am a potential and probably buyer and although you have points that are interesting and worrying, I get more of a impression that you are fighting a war and are trying to recruit troops than trying to help people.

You can carry on your tirade if you wish but I am not going to respond again, I get too involved when people are one sided and attack me because I believe different.



proger1 (Paul)

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:05

standard.



You cannot and surely do not wish to live on hand outs from Turkey for ever? Surely your wish is to see the TRNC standing strong and alone? Can you not see the reality of what will happen if things don't change?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:06

Bradus,msg 63;



" Each year the hotels get less business"



I am more then certain you know of how many so called holiday homes owned by ex-pats are being rented out to holiday makers and not a kurush being paid in taxes.......dont make it too abvious,if you know what I men.........

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:10

Yorgo.....you are once again twisting what anyone who criticises TRNC is actually saying.



No-one is disputing the terrible tragedy that befell Cyprus in the 60's and 70's leading to the 1974 intervention.....YES I said Intervention.



That is still no reason to accuse anyone who criticises SPECIFIC ASPECTS of the TRNC of being a GC !



As I've said before,I went to TRNC 5 years ago to look for a Pre-74 Turkish Title property ......I stole no-one's land...the TRNC stole it off me by refusing PTP after letting me pay for it.



You and Musin are too quick to blindly defend the TRNC against ANY criticism....yet you acknowledge that corruption and discrimination DOES exist within the TRNC towards foreigners,particularly in the issue of property.



So don't make any misguided assumptions about me Yorgo....we would probably be able to have a great debate over a pint or a Turkish coffee.....but there's no way I'm travelling as far as Kent !

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:16

oh,its turned into a right nice little thread this hasnt it!!

Soupseed


Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 101

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:17

Most of the villa rentals do pay tax & people who stay in them are more likely to to spend money in restuarants & supermarkets & hire cars etc. than people in hotels do..

Oh yes... theres my 2 cents worth.

Soupseed


Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 101

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:20

oh & there is need for moderators.

Especially on here!

You lot are fiesty!!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:20

lilli



i don,t know you ,but i love you too bits ,when my parents were forced to come to the uk in 1960,we had to have money to enter,there were no council houses only private rents,we bought our own house ,i still remember the price 3750 pounds in bethnal green.and we had to rent half the house to pay the mortgage.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:21

You miss the point Yorgozlu,



Villas and apartments, rented out to others, do not help the economy as much as people staying in hotels. The money often just goes to the British owner.Most people also struggle to get rentals, its not that lucrative a business.



You can't deny that the tourist industry and construction industry are deteriorating due to all that is happening?

Why not take control?

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:28

message 72.



musin m. you was lucky enough to get a mortgage,and you say you had to rent half of the house to pay that mortgage, did you pay UK tax on that part of the rental income?



im just curious!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:31

Musin I have always loved reading your posts, but so many tell me how they got housed and in turn got members of their families a council house. I cant blame them and god love your parents generation, what choice did they have. I'm Irisher and remember when my dad left the army and tried to get work. We ended up in Birmingham. No Dogs, No Blacks No Irish. You must be so so proud your parents saw this opening and regret leaving their home land. I was in no way knocking you only the others who brag about it. Mus life is not easy here at the moment, you fight every step of the way. You must remember most are retired, seen their savings halved, no one knows who to turn to. IMO not knocking you only the system between UK and here sadly. please forgive me if you think i aimed it at you, it was never my intention. xxxxxxxx

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:34

Musin Mr Spider is a Bethnal Green man what part did you live.and did you have to rent part of your home out to another family member or two ? and did the British government have to give the resettlement money to all the people who left at the time ? and it was in the 60 that Bethnal Green was rebuilt with council property and they were giving them to all and everyone..you did have a British passport after all.! and now you have two how very lucky for you.





Spider,X

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:34

zero



i was too young to know what tax even was then ,however i certainly do now.



are you sure you are just curious.



musin



long live the kktc

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:36

maybe i was putting the cat amongst the pigeons,so to speak!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:40

spider

no we did not have a british passport ,which is why we could only enter with money,and yes we lived in sewardstone rd opposite vicky park entrance near the london chest hospital.



what school did he go to ,i went to south hackney.





musin



long live the kktc

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:47

Well Musin is it time you got back home with all your money you have made back home...see even you have two homes )) Invest it well..as at any time you never know they might ask for your home back one day ! then you will be in the same boat as some British over here.







Spider.X

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:51

lilli



you could never upset me ,maybe becouse my wife is irish and she is a little like you,i remember when we used to advertise our rooms for rent my mum used to send me on my bike just to make sure it was in the shop window of the estate agents and i still remember all the adverts used to say no blacks it was only ours that read blacks welcome.



thank god we have left those years behind .



musin





long live the kktc

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:53

spider



i have more then two homes ,but money isn,t everything.



musin





long live the kktc

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 00:56

mus thank you, we have forgotten those dark days, but to me Cyprus is like Ireland

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 01:01

On a more constructive note we should be trying to work in partnership to solve the existing problems.



The HBPG website has been updated with the following:

Construction Association President Soner Yetkili will speak at a general HBPG meeting in the Pia Bella Hotel on Tuesday the 14th September 2010 starting at 12 noon. If you are experiencing any problems with your construction company you should come along and listen to proposals for possibly finding a solution for you.



Sadly there is also a warning for Boyut buyers.



Boyut Construction buyers: Are you aware that a Memorandum has been placed on all Boyut properties where title remains in their name. This is due to unpaid loans

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 01:03

we thank god for you bradus, you bring more to our attention than any group formed here x

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 01:12

Thanks Lilli,



but its not easy as people make it very clear they don't like to hear about the terrible things happening to some in the TRNC. There is still a tendency to bury your head in the sand............until it happens to you or someone your close too. Thankfully more people are now talking about the problems and more support is actually being given to victims, rather than the old chestnut, "should have done your homework"

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 01:26

msg 70;



"Most of the villa rentals do pay tax "



Enough said on that subject to prove me right. .....isnt it amazing what you can get away with in TRNC but couldnt in UK? wink......



"people who stay in them are more likely to to spend money in restuarants & supermarkets & hire cars etc"



.......and there is me thinking,they come over and stay indoors all the time!!!!!Not that,thats got anything to do with the house owners.wink.....

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 01:35

Bradus,I missed no point at all,its all on board.

While I'm aware of the corruption in TRNC,you (the ex-pats,well most of you)did nothing but mingle in with it.ie.The examples I'm using.

Soupseed


Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 101

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 01:36

erm ok.

could you please stop winking... your scaring me!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 01:40

cronos............



>>"The TRNC have sold all the land that wasn't theirs to the foreigners...."<<



Tell me what part of your above comment I had twisted or misunderstood?//

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 01:40

Exactly how did I mingle in with the corruption?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 01:42

Sorry Bradus,you misunderstood.I meant my comments to be general,not personal.

expatlady


Joined: 11/07/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 02:31

Musin, Yorgozlu:

well, I was sort of planning to buy in NC...but from your comments I gather I´m not very welcome?



At least I will not be welcome if all my money is taken by crooks AND then I have the guts to complain about it?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 02:53

msg 93;

If being patriotic and pointing you towards the mirror to see yourselves and what you are like is a crime,I'd willingly do the time while you are 'sort of planning to buy in NC!

expatlady


Joined: 11/07/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 03:56

msg 93: "I meant my comments to be general,not personal"

So, "in general" expats mingled with corruption....But those who are "punished" are not "the general" public, but many cases of people who did nothing wrong at all.

And you know this.



msg 93; "If being patriotic and pointing you towards the mirror to see yourselves"



I´m sorry you have become so defensive, I like NC very much...but not so much that I can afford to loose my (hard-earned) savings.



Something like the Kulaksiz 5 -scandal does not happen in most other countries. And we are told this is only the beginning?

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 05:51

I would make just one comment



'Is it unreasonable to expect to be treated in the TRNC as a citizen of here would be treated in UK'?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 06:13

Maybe not unreasonable but probably not likely, but then if you had a British government in NC then you would expect it, until that happens though I am afraid you have to work with what you have and obviously having British expectancies is not a good idea.

I would imagine that would be the same in every country with the exeption of Britain or at least it has been the case in the countries I have lived in.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 07:56

Musin



Whilst I fully appreciate both your's and Yorgo's unstinting loyalty to the TRNC, please don't see the posts in this thread as an attack on all TC's, people feel let down by builders, advocates et al, but mostly they feel (understandably) that they have been let down by a system/government that appears to treat them as second class citizens. It is difficult to disagree with this judging by recent high profile events and the evidence that has been presented on numerous threads.



I see that you claim to have 'never left Cyprus' but in another thread state that you have paid tax in the UK since the age of 15 and own a number of businesses there. 40 years of paying tax in the UK would indicate that you have indeed 'left' Cyprus albeit your heart is obviously still here.



Continued.....

bobbie1306


Joined: 14/08/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 07:56

Well said, I could'nt agree more with you.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 08:03

The fact that you have been so successful in the UK is no doubt down to your hard work for which I applaud you, however, your success would also have been in part due to the fact that you were operating on a 'level playing field' - if expats were afforded the same dignity, I am sure that number of 'negative' posts about the TRNC would dwindle to a trickle.



Also, to state that you have also bought property here will hold no kudos with expats who are in the process of losing theirs. As a TC, your 'buying' experience will probably be totally different to theirs - how long have you spent biting your nails worrying whether you will get PTP - oops I forgot, you probably don't need to jump that sizeable hurdle.



I do not mean this as an attack on you, but please understand the frustrations and sense of injustice that expats are feeling as they see their life savings going down the pan because of a system that appears to be stacked against them.



Regards



Paul

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 13:46

Hippo;

Simple answer,NO,IT ISN'T.

But,I do not make the rules.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 13:54

fiendishpaul;



"please don't see the posts in this thread as an attack on all TC's"



We dont,until we see comments like this,



>>"The TRNC have sold all the land that wasn't theirs to the foreigners....and will then leave them to their fate resulting from any "settlement" with the rightful GC owners. "<<



........and then turn around and accuse me of twisting it........which is when I come up with these comments,



>>"If all of you that think lands and properties in TRNC you've bought are stolen.........well,the law in UK springs to mind......'buying stolen goods is a bigger crime then stealing!!'.......then I'm afraid you deserve all you get.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 14:32

Yorgo



I think that Cronos was trying to make the distinction between the TRNC governments continued willingness to sell (and issue TRNC title) on exchange/GC land, whereas any expat who has bought pre-74 property no longer gets PTP.



Personally, I decided against a property purchase here because I didn't feel that the land was the TRNC's to sell in the first place BUT, I only made my decision a couple of years ago. People who bought years before I contemplated it would not have had the information available to them that I had, and may well have been persuaded by the estate agents, advocates and the governments promises of 'legal' title. Some on the other hand may well have just seen a cheap property and ignored the possible consequences.



I am sorry to say but no matter how you dress it up, you cannot esape the fact that the government has openly promoted, sold and issued title on land that in the eyes of the 'law' belongs to someone else.



Paul

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 15:30

Paul;



"exchange/GC land"



......is only described like that by third party foreighners/ex-pats who had wished and hoped to have best of both worlds.ie.cheap properties in the sun,away from the rat race as and when,not to forget the tax fiddlers.........etc.



Just because the rest of the world has decided 'exchange/GC land',doesnt mean nothing in TRNC.As for 'pre 74s',I can only admire them for their determination to keep them 'within' as done in many other countries,only down side being that they realised what was happening little too late.



Here is one link thats has been on internet for all to read, http://www.justlanded.com/english/Cyprus/Cyprus-Guide/Northern-Cyprus/Buying-property



However,it is the easiest way to play 'pass the bug'.

.......ps.above link means nothing to me as it was not put there by TRNC officials or even by TC.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 15:45

Yorgo



"As for 'pre 74s',I can only admire them for their determination to keep them 'within' as done in many other countries,only down side being that they realised what was happening little too late."



I couldn't agree more, however it would have been a bit more honest for the government to have banned the sale of pre-74 land to expats rather than allow them to go ahead with their purchase and then rob them of meaningful ownership by refusing PTP on whatever grounds they deemed fit. Also what did 'they' realise was happening albeit a little too late ? Was 'it' that expats were buying 'legal' title when all they should really be entitled to is esdeger ??



The link is a very useful one but judging by it's content, I would say that it is only a few months old so would not have helped purchasers who bought 4, 6 , 8, 10 years ago.



By the way we pass the 'buck' not bug - a bug is a small insect



Regards



Paul

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 15:50

Yorgo



Sorry but ran out of space.



Going back to the the internet link. I agree wholeheartedly that it could never have been written by a TRNC government official - after all the majority of the article is accurate and truthful



Paul

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 16:14

Paul;



"Going back to the the internet link. I agree wholeheartedly that it could never have been written by a TRNC government official - after all the majority of the article is accurate and truthful "



Of course,only in the eyes of the 'rest of the world'.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 16:25

Yorgo



Agreed, I forgot that in the TRNC the rest of the world does not matter



However, I would be interested to know your thoughts on why the government did not just ban the sale of pre-74 titled properties to 'foreigners' if their aim was to keep them for 'within'. As it is, their continued refusal to acknowledge this fact just adds fuel to the fire and further tarnishes their reputation.



Regards



Paul

expatlady


Joined: 11/07/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 17:12

So, Yourgo: you want me to buy exchange land ...and risk spending my next few years in court, fighting for the right of TRNC laws (like the Orams - I still have property outside TRNC).



Eh: no thanks.



And the pre-74 title deeds I should not be able to buy, if I understand you right? (as I am not TC).



I hope you don´t work in the tourist-business? According to reports, property-sales are down with 50% these last 2 years in NC.



With this attitude the last 50% will also go. (Ok: exceptions: the lowest end at the marked: those who have no asset outside NC.)



I am sure many/most GC´s will be extremely happy with that!!!

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 17:13

What the TRNC has a government??? you learn something new every day

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 18:49

why is everyone on an attack mode,simple question asked go back to the top and read it again ,



could it be that most of the posters are ready to leave and the answer is yes ,i understand you have been let down ie government ,builders, etc ,but please take some responsibility ,even 1% .



life is a gamble ,you and only you decide how much you are willing to gamble the stakes are with you and only you.



of course i feel bad for anyone not just you guys,but anyone with such problems .



some one pointed out that in the uk i have a level playing field unlike in the kktc,well the kktc is young it has a long way too go,let,s go back 50 years in the uk did we have a level playing field ........NO,but here we are today ,give the country a chance,let it grow.





musin



long live the kktc

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 20:04

msg 109;



Nooooooooo,gor forbid.We dony want you and the likes of you here.Go and live elsewhere,so you can whinge at them for a change.We dont want people here that wants to bake the cake and eat it as well!



There are other countries like Spain,Greece,Turkey or even south for that matter.See how long they'd put up with you and the likes of you.Apearently property markets are booming in those places like in UK as well!



As for the 'other %50',they'd want you gone more then me probaply as they have also had enough of whingers.



In the mean time I let you get on with your sort of life.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 20:13

Paul,

msg 109;



"I would be interested to know your thoughts on why the government did not just ban the sale of pre-74 titled properties to 'foreigners' if their aim was to keep them for 'within'. As it is, their continued refusal to acknowledge this fact just adds fuel to the fire and further tarnishes their reputation2



I honestly do not know the answer to that one.However,I can take a guess (thats what I'd do)

The rest of the world had managed to twist ex-pats minds regarding properties in TRNC on esdeger land,they (you in general)got scared,thought 'I'd better spent my money to buy cheap pre 74 property,because TCs are not clever enough to work out the reason'.This went on ok at the begining,then TRNC government that 'some thinks doesnt exist,and put a stop to it,with the attitude of,"you want to screw me,I'll screw you back".



Hope you like my screwed minded story.

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 20:17

what would the reaction of t/cs in the uk be if they were treated as non t/cs are treated here??

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 20:43

john_good, please stop posting the same stupid question on every thread.

The UK is run by the UK government, the TRNC is run by the TRNC government so how is it opossible to compare.



That is like asking the americans how they would feel about being invaded by an alien race because they might have planet killing weapons.

expatlady


Joined: 11/07/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 20:54

msg 109; "Nooooooooo,gor forbid.We dony want you and the likes of you here.Go and live elsewhere,so you can whinge at them for a change.We dont want people here that wants to bake the cake and eat it as well! "



Well. Thank you for crystal clear answer.



Yorgu: this might come as a surprise to you; but in most places people who bake the cake (and pay for it), expects to eat it, (at least some of it!) too.



Good luck in the future getting other people to bake/pay for your cake so that YOU can eat it.



(And I´ll think of this conversation next time a TC wants to work for me in my home country. I´ll eat YOUR cake! Hah!)

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 20:57

I have purchased a property in the TRNC and i am very happy so far with my purchase. i do feel for anybody that may have problems with there purchase wether in the UK or TRNC, is the TRNC goverment not capable in running there Country , blimey thats a statement the UK labour Goverment Cockup big time the Pakistani Goverment the Americian Goverment etc, well how do you all feel about TRNC me Bloody Marvelous. its support from Turkey keeps what is a relatively new Country stable its not that bad is it nothings perfect my opion of course maybe im wrong no offence intended.

expatlady


Joined: 11/07/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 20:58

I wonder now if some of the people on this board pretending to be TCs, are not actually GCs? They are certainly playing straight into the hand of the GCs?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 21:09

I think we are getting a little confused about this cake statement.



You can't HAVE your cake and EAT it. i.e. if you were to eat the cake, you would no longer have a cake, I thought it was pretty simple really, no idea what it has to do with nice people in North Cyprus or builders, lawyers or politicians. I thought it was more about Bakers, shop owners, waiters and customers. I am getting confused now, what time is it, where am I, spinning, darkness, help.



Yorg, msg 112 para 3, you are absolutely right but don't tell anybody, I might get attacked for just trying to get on with life in a country where I am happy to be a guest.



Paul

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 21:20

Proger1. good post re-message119, your a Guest enjoying your life adapting to the countrys culture simple or not ?.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 21:32

I find it easier here than most countries measey in fact part of the reason I moved here was because the UK would have been so difficult for me to move my non british, non european family too it would have been pointless and I would have had to give up a huge amount of cash in taxes to achieve it but that is only my story.

I like it in NC, my wife does, my daughter, well god knows about my daughter, she is 16 its like nailing jelly to a tree trying to know what is happening with her but she has just been back to Russia for 6 weeks and she is looking forward to being in NC again.

Moral of the story, if you got a bad deal in North Cyprus, it was some BODY at fault not some COUNTRY or some COMMUNITY so lay the blame where it should be and please stop posting bad things about such a beautiful place



I will borrow the words from Musin if I may, long live the KKTC

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 21:51

Your all very lucky I never got to eat my cake (not a little piece even for a single day)! the TRNC took my money for the cake, and gave me nothing! nothing but heartache!



I will say yet again!



No Kochan No Money, Don't give them one single penny, because it's all the TRNC wants................ KEEP SAYING



Loud and Clear......................................................................



NO KOCHAN NO MONEY, without DEEDS in the UK you would not purchase a home, do exactly the same in this god forsaken Country

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 22:01

Now God has forsaken the country because some BODY did you a bad turn, OK a really bad turn but don't you think bringing God into this is just a little extreme, after all I could just as easily say "God works in mysterious ways" but that would just be facetious, wouldn't it?

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 22:24

Proger1



Give TRNCvictim a break. As his name implies, I would guess that he is still pretty angry about what has happened to him - as would we all if in the same situation. He is using a very common phrase used when a person is frustrated or angry, you know very well that he is not actually bringing God into the equation. I wouldn't call your reply facetious, I would simply call it unnecessary.



Paul

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 22:39

Re : message 111



Muhsin has a point when he writes that in life we often have to gamble ... and for many expats, buying (relatively) cheap property here was definitely a high-risk gamble ... a gamble that for many of them has certainly not paid off :-(



However, one has to question whether the company running the "KKTC casino" has croupiers that are playing the tables fairly. Maybe the unfair practices "on the tables" are indeed, as Muhsin states, a result of the "casino" being relatively new, but surely those expats, many of whom are worried about losing their life-savings, have a right to be bitter ...

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 22:44

Paul, you are correct but then there are many unnecessary comments on the forum, I was trying to be funny but you didn't get it maybe TRNCvictim did, maybe not.



I suppose I must be in the minority but I do sometimes try to lighten the mood when people are getting distraught, too often people read attacking motives into my comments, you could of course read the definition of facetious and see that it was not a comment meant to be taken seriously, I probably should have put a smilie at the end of the sentance, unless of course you were being sarcastic with me and I in turn completely miss-interpreted.

That does happen sometimes you know

I remembered the smilie this time so please realise I am not being overly serious,

Paul (not the fiendish one)

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:05

Proger,



You seem to be emphasising the word "BODY" in your posts i.e. some body did you a bad turn" and it was some BODY at fault not some COUNTRY or some COMMUNITY



Are you implying that it was simply the developer or builders fault? Do you not think that the Country's government have also contributed to this by not making the transfer of title deeds a legal obligation?



Also do you not feel they should intervene, by introducing new laws that prevent memorandums being placed on fully paid for properties and the innocent buyer being the one left responsible for the builders debt?



I can't see the existing problems as being the fault of one "Body". Wish it was as it would really simplify things. However I would suggest it is something that could be very easily solved. Surely you can't deny the TRNC Government must take some responsibility also?



Kind Regards

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:13

Crumpy i think you should visit some casinos and you with your brain can work it all out and let us know your findings. however i understand when you say people have a right to be bitter. x

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:29

Bradus, Thank you for asking my opinion although I get the feeling it is not really your intention, I think you are just using my comments as a way to redeliver the same comments that have been mentioned on C44 for a very long time now.I have absolutely no disagreement with your beliefs or your expectancies, I just disagree with continually posting them on this forum.

Changes to the situation, Yes. Updates on what is happening, Yes but I have to say I am tired of seeing the same comments about the same situation.

I try to be funny about it so that I do not upset any of the people who have been robbed, unfairly treated or conned mainly because I do not know them personally and I try never to offend people I don't know as they do not know me well enough to realise if I am being genuine or not.

Those that do know me probably realise that I will try to help when and where I can, my opinion about the TRNC situation does not matter so why try to change it for me?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:31

OK let's forget God, just Forsaken Country will do!



proger1, please don't try to be funny! when I say I have lost everything, I mean everything not just money! money is nothing!



fiendishpaul, I am angry, and thank you for understanding my anger! I just want no other human being to suffer my last 2 years!



Crumpy you are right the KKTC is just a Casino, or a Nightclub prostituting itself, what the hell for?



Bradus, you are a great lady, very intelligent, and you are so right "It could be very easily solved" and yes the very bloody Government must shoulder not just some but all of the responsibility,(they knew exactly what was happening on the ground) I learned that lesson a long time ago!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:33

bradus



of course the kktc government must take some responsibility and at some point they will,however some of the people also have too,we all make finacial decisions many times in our lives and some times they don,t work,no one is denying the fact the government has to at some point act.



i do believe there are many people ready to leave the kktc and from what i have understood ,one of the main reasons is intrest on their savings and the cost of living rising .



however there are also many people ready to buy in the kktc ,maybe it will be those whom benefit in the future

due to the problems some of us are now having.





musin



long live the kktc

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:45

Maybe just maybe I could ask a question right now and see what happens..just my thoughts.



Is it about time the London Turkish Cypriots came back.? or would most today resort back saying I am British ! I ask the question because if they came back it would sure help the economy putting money back into it, Skills they have learnt could be put to very good use over here. ! I can just see it now and how things maybe perhaps maybe might change in a big way if most of them came back..anything to help this third world type of community move forward, perhaps some could show the government how not to be corrupt..Buy the Villas from the ones that would like to at least try to go back home if they so wished. This post may just change the thread all together as it seems it has as always gone off topic. ))



Spider,X

expatlady


Joined: 11/07/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:48

Some time ago I saw a lot of articles like this:

http://www.ipb-magazine.com/en/articles/aphrodite-beachfront



But now I see articles like this:

http://www.ipb-magazine.com/en/articles/north-cyprus-government-refuses-hand-over-deeds-buyers

http://www.ipb-magazine.com/en/articles/expats-shock-–-homes-sold-auction



More stories like that, and the expat property-market in NC will be as dead as the Dodo-bird.



At the same time, other countries are cleaning up their act, and adjusting their prices to a sensible level: http://www.ipb-magazine.com/en/articles/bulgaria-market-update



Yes, I am set on buying a second home (in a warmer climate). And now I find that the people who most strongly advice me against TRNC ...are TCs?? I had thought it would be GCs???



What a wonderful welcome.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:52

TRNCvictim, I had not meant my attempt at humour to antagonise you in any way.



However with that in mind, I have the right to make a comment if I wish, as stated above, I don't know everyone on here personally so I can't be held responsible for an innocent comment cutting close to the bone in your paticular case.



You implied that god had forsaken the country, I found that to be offensive and tried to point that out without being offensive.



I will back off now as this seems to be another thread that invites open statements but is littered with open traps for interpretation.



All I will say is that the title may have been better understood as a question and not as a demand as some seem to have done.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:53

expatlady..perhaps thats it the London Cypriots will not be back ? they are also being put OFF.







Spider,X

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:57

spider



you make a valid point ,one which i have asked before ,and there are many people going back and starting

buisnesses ,however like you presume will they say they are british ,the answer is yes and being british they want to make quick returns on their investments.

expatlady



get real please and stay on thread,you are not helping.





musin



long live the kktc

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/08/2010 23:58

Proger,



No Proger! My intention was to get your opinion in an effort to see where you are coming from with your recent posts

Unfortunately you did not respond to any of the questions asked.

I am fully aware that you do not like any negativity on the forum, you have made your thoughts well known. I do not have a problem with this and completely respect your views. However it is a public forum and there are many threads I also dislike but I respect peoples rights to post their views.You need to do this too or don't read the threads that are so obviously about property scams, that annoy you.



If you were simply posting about the negativity, it wouldn't be so bad but your posts always display an element of "its the victims fault" whilst excluding the TRNC of any responsibility. Just what you want to hear when you stand to be homeless or lose in excess of £100.000 of your hard earned money. Comments are often made in an effort to prevent others from making mistakes. Not a bad thing

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:08

OK Bradus, I had said I was backing off and I also stated that I did not try to upset people but you seem to want to read more into my satements than there really is.



Your intentention was to get my opinion, no it wasn't you have just said that you all ready think you know my opinion. I don't blame anyone because I don't have the inside information on the system or what happened in all the situations.



Let me throw this one at you. The british law courts deemed it accurate and fair that my ex-wife walked away with everything even though we divorced because she was pregnant by someone else.

Should I be writing to tell everyone who is considering getting married that there are potential pitfalls that might mean you lose everything, I don't think so, you might but this is about my negativity complaint.

Am I to blame? should the government be resposible? Did I still lose everything?



Who do you think I should seek redress from, certainly not the country or community.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:09

Msg133



expatlady,



Good posting. You make your point very clesrly. Well done,



wynyardman

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:12

Prodger some might say your stupidity for marrying the lady in the first place ))





Spider,X

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:16

Hello Musin,

Quote

"of course the kktc government must take some responsibility and at some point they will,however some of the people also have too,we all make financial decisions many times in our lives and some times they don,t work,no one is denying the fact the government has to at some point act"



I have a problem with the government taking responsibility at SOME POINT! Everyone's basic Human right is to have a home, particularly if they have fully paid for that home. Sadly the increase in memorandums will mean that many buyers, TC and Brits, will be homeless unless the Government acts NOW. The construction industry is on its knees, completely destroyed by the Governments inability to intervene and make house purchase safe and also restore the confidence of potential buyers. My builder was excellent and why should he as an innocent bystander suffer? Why is it OK for me to pay for an apartment in full but never be allowed to actually own it?

Change is needed now.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:16

prodger , if there was a forum offering advice on your "lady" before you married her , maybe you could have took advice , if people are voicing experiences and not propaganda , i think it is fair ...

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:20

spider



proger makes a valid point ,and so do you in a round about way .....some might say it was their stupidity for buying in the first place.





musin





long live the kktc

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:22

spider, that didn't need to be said (my mum all ready told me, many, many times) but in her defence I was away working all the time and didn't show her the interest and love she obviously needed but then I was working to give her the lifestyle that she wanted, because she was raised in a rich family who stopped supporting her when I married her, believe me there is a knock on answer to every statement and I questioned myself for a very long time afterward to see if it was worth carrying on after what had felt like the complete destruction of my life (I do get emotional sometimes )

I suppose the fact that I had time to rebuild helped but I still didn't knock everyone elses chances of doing it just because I could.



That is the point I try to make, not that I blame anyone, not that life is fair or unfair but posting about it every 10 minutes is not going to help bring back the economy. OK, I'm done seems to work for spider ,maybe it will for me.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:27

I have a follow up, why do so many people seem to put a d in the middle of my name ??

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:30

Musin It has nothing to do with stupidity when you buy property to be told later that the builder has gone and mortgaged the said Villa he has just sold you..can you not even comprehend THIS..and the bloody government have no idea on how to manage a piss up on the beach !



why do you think the London Turks are not coming back in droves my guess it they cant afford to retire as yet and need to hang on for their British pension.. YAH long live the KKTC so it will be ready once they do come back.. ))





Spider,X

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:31

proger1



life,s about changes ,and how we deal with them.



sounds to me you are dealing with it well.





musin





long live the kktc

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:32

Paul at least you have moved one from it, and i thank god you did as i love your family. What I think is hard for a lot of us is to move on through no fault of our own from the shambles of a government who allow it to continue. Its bad enough feeling insecure but to have what security you have taken its wrong. I have friends here whom have recently lost thier husbands, wills in place. Now they face the nightmare of sorting probate. When they end up paying capital gains on what they have inherited and tax on top the government wil own their properties. The same with their cars they inherited and bank accounts, it just goes on and on. xxx

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:33

Musin,



in reflection I can totally agree with what you are saying about the stupidity of buying in the first place.Unfortunately this knowledge comes with experience. It is simply not safe to buy in the TRNC. You truly are gambling with your money and its certainly high risk. But just how do people know this unless others warn them or share their experiences? The advocate do not make you aware nor do the estate agents. Forums are probably the place most people go to research the pros and cons. Yet some want to put over this very one sided view that all's well in paradise and there are no risks if you do your homework. Why can't the truth be told so that people can make informed decisions and weigh up the true risks?



Hope you can also see the other side of the coin.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:33

Thanks Musin.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:33

spider



anomosity is not the way forward.







musin



long live the KKTC

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:52

be very careful what you write, they have it all over on the south side forum, copying and pasting. Pi key even has his say. Again we are called carpetbaggers. please be careful

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 00:54

Musin so sorry but you seem to have some ducking cheek..





Long live the KKTC till the London Cypriots can afford to move back and bring some SKILLs they I hope learnt with them..Perhaps they are frightend now they know what the Shitty GOVERNMENT are like over here..or do they much prefere the one they have at HOME...OH,but this is their loving homeland...RIGHT. )





Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 01:05

Lilli I would ask the very same question over there..when are the London Greek Cypriots going to move back, I am sure they too are hot happy with their government either..But then again they would also call themselves British and await their pensions paid into..Perhaps to they like the government in place at home..and the ones that have given so very much to all refugees from all over the world..like the rest...THEY ALL LIKE THEIR BREAD BUTTED ) Both parts of this Island need Skill.and money invested into the economy..





Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 01:11

If they would give people work permits over here there would be skills here instead of stupidity and corruption..this would all improve the economy.





Spider,X

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 01:12

i agree with you spider, they have had the council houses, education etc now bring back your knowledge, however i am worried that the have got the links on cyprus forums,com with all our details. jeasus we even got a mention xxx

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 01:13

hey lilli don't knock it......



a quote from there..



"If message 4 ( Guidos, apparently one of the better restaurants in "trnc") "



famous already

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 01:17

cant knock that love can i. Can I now expect coach loads to come and try us. Hey what do they mean apparently. Do you know what they said about me before, when we had a 44 do.All the photos where there, i was a fat old and ugly caffie owner, thats how they spelt cafe. I had to respond, i may be old, i may be ugly, but im not even 8 stone xx

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 01:20

Long Live Guidos..so once they can all afford to return they can eat at Guidos, that will make a nice change from a Dona kabab )





Spider,X

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 10:59

spider





where were you educated,or were you.







musin



Remember rule 3 Simbas



long live the kktc

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 11:51

MUSIN M Message 160, I don't know how you dare make that statement!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 12:39

Vicki... ) ) ) I think I could give him some counselling sessions ) He sure needs HELP.







Spider X My guess is he aint cominnn BAKK. to help the TRNC.

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 12:42

.... because he doesn't know any better - lacks an education. That why he keeps having a go at other people.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 17:28

Give up MUSIN,you are waisting your time,where most beleive "education is whinging".....let them live with the hope that one day Mr.Brittish Government will come and sort out their problems,like in UK.



I reckon we could make a new 'carry on' film here.I'll let you guess the name.........

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 17:30

carry on "not little britain" maybe

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 17:43

yorgozlu how dare you be so insulting..Let me guess hes your brother ) And we all know that the British government were there giving out all when the TCs needed somewhere to park their backsides, All people are saying is that the government here are giving no help to the British community except as WYN puts it raping them of all their money time and time again..They are aware of the housing situation here and whats happening to people..



you are not about to start saying that the government do not need some help here..because if you are then like Musin you need to open your eyes a little wider..So when do you think the London Turkish Cypriots will be back to their grand parents loving homeland ?



Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 18:01

spider;



"you are not about to start saying that the government do not need some help here"



Not at all,in fact I agree with you.However,whinging about it will not get you anywhere.Get out and DO something about it.



"the British government were there giving out all when the TCs needed somewhere to park their backsides,"



I correct you on that one to,Brittish Cypriots.



"yorgozlu how dare you be so insulting"



.......and,on this one to,the trurh.



Brittish Government is and will give everything to all CITIZENS,not because they want to but because they have to.Thats a very big difference.Of course,one also has to remmeber that,in UK there are human rights that we dont have here.



I've put it like this for you SPIDER to undersand it better,not for any other reason.But somehow I dont think my msg is going to get further.

"

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 19:11

Spider, Sorry to have to correct you! I said....This time round, it is financial rape.



wynyardman

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 19:32

In msg 153, Spider wrote "Perhaps they (TCs) are frightened now they know what their Shitty GOVERNMENT is like over here."



In msg 160, Muhsin wrote "Spider, where were you educated, or were you?" ... :-(



In msg 162, Spider wrote "I think I could give him (Muhsin) some counselling sessions. He sure needs HELP." ... :-(



In msg 167, Yorgozlu wrote "I've put it like this for you SPIDER to undersand it better ... but somehow I don't think my msg is going to get further."



Being so aggressive in your comments is doing nothing for you or this thread. Up until now, I have been keen to read Muhsin and Yorgozlu's comments as they have given me an insight into how a TC regards the situation here ... albeit a TC in London. I would like to continue to hear their thoughts. So let's keep it civilised ... and please stop all the unnecessary insults.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 21:14

cygab msg 163

first remark you make on this thread is to say i lack an education .



britvic ,spider and cygab get over yourselves, we are all equal , this thread was started for a very good reason



apart from bradus ,the majority of you just want to attack ,spider even called me a member of the klu klux clan,sorry but with that attitude you will not find comfort from anyone .



may i remind you the question posed ,is it time to go back ,this was put to all not just the brits.





musin



long live the kktc

expatlady


Joined: 11/07/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 21:30

msg# 169, "Being so aggressive in your comments is doing nothing for you or this thread. Up until now, I have been keen to read Muhsin and Yorgozlu's comments as they have given me an insight into how a TC regards the situation here ... albeit a TC in London. I would like to continue to hear their thoughts. So let's keep it civilised ... and please stop all the unnecessary insults."



Crumpy: I completely agree with you. I could add; not only does it do nothing for this thread; it does nothing for NC.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 21:43

Totally agree. I keep saying that we should all be working in partnership to identify the problems and discuss how they can be solved. At the moment we appear to be demanding that people don't complain, which rather stifles good debate or we are witnessing under-hand comments. Its the content of the thread that counts and who cares about spelling mistakes or grammar.These comment simply divert from the subject matter.



Discussion should allow all view points and help us all to get a better understanding of whats going on and how we can support each other.



This thread has produced a lot of comments and has certainly received a lot of views. The subject matter is a very interesting topic and if handled well it could allow people with differing experiences to see each others view points.



Kind Regards

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 21:48

Well here is my guess when the Brits leave, those ones that have lost everything, every penny they have worked for and have no choice but to leave..Because the banks have repossessed their homes, the property marked will drop the banks will resale..And thats when the LTCs will return.Because they will be at retirement age and will have the same dreams that everyone who are loosing everything had..But Musin you have to still remember what I said before the British are fighter and they will stay till the end..Perhaps now you might have you answer.. )





Spider,X

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 22:08

If I lived in the TRNC at the moment I would certainly want to go back home, perhaps the British TC's who seem to care little about TRNC Brit's would like to do a House Swop!!!



Then the British TC's can live in their own wonderful country, looked after by their own wonderful Government, and the many TRNC brits with half a house, or a house they will never own can own a home once again in the UK?



Everyone will be happy?...........................

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 22:15

spider



thanks for your reply ,i,m not quite sure i have understood it completely,however why do you think it will be ltc,s that will buy all the resales ,i can tell you a recent survey in some turkish papers shows more Ltc,s are buying in turkey as rental investments .



i have an opinion on what may happen ,but i do not have the answer ,only that you must hang on and be counted.



i can also tell you that there are still many british ,english people still wanting to buy in the kktc regardless ,whatever i say to them it makes no difference.





musin



long live the kktc

cronos


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Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 22:20

Musin

"i can also tell you that there are still many british ,english people still wanting to buy in the kktc regardless ,whatever i say to them it makes no difference. "





If I understand you correctly,are you saying that despite you warning them about buying in the TRNC,they still want to buy?

chocoloco


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 22:23

Hi to everyone that wants to leave,



I had to join the forum finally after reading this thread, i can not believe the amount of whinging people on this forum. If you don't like it here please go home or move to the south. If this place was as organised as you would like it to be, then a can of coke would be £3 then you would be moaning its to expensive. Every country has its problems hence the economy problems around the world and watching the british news. So why don't you do something about it please. As for people losing monies on there house this happens all over the world. That is why there is a recession its not always on the up. Im afraid there are bad builders around the world. You see programs on tv about this all the time. ROGUE TRADERS. COWBOY BUILDERS. You need to do your homework here properly, people try and find the bargain to much instead of researching good builders.



Regards,



Den

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 22:28

cronos



sorry if that,s not the answer you are looking for ,but that is how it is my circles.



may i also say that a lot more now are wanting to buy in turkey.





musin





long live the kktc

cronos


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Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 22:35

Musin.....I'm not after an argument ,I just wanted you to clarify what you meant.



So ,you as a Brit TC are advising people NOT to buy in the TRNC because of all the problems....but despite your warnings there are many people who still want to take a chance and risk it ?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 22:40

cronos



with all due respect ,you will find the answer in my previous reply 178





thanks





musin



long live the kktc

cronos


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Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 22:44

Musin....I don't understand why you need to be so cryptic , but I'll take that as a YES !

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 23:24

Bradus;

With your mind of thinking,bring together 1000 of you and I WILL open every door for you, regardless of what government door in TRNC it may be,even if it means me going to prison for it. It is time you've all started to face the music and do something about it.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/09/2010 23:45

yorgozlu



it is a great shame that only bradus is listening ,the rest just don,t want to know,...devided we fall.



as the saying goes ,i hope that bradus is not wasting her time and energy.



she get,s a lot of praise from posters ,however that,s not enough.



it,s odd how they knock london tc,s as we are the turkish cypriots who most understand them .



musin





long live the kktc

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
02/09/2010 08:03

MUSIN;



I'm prepaired to put my money where my mouth is,are they?

proger1



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Message Posted:
02/09/2010 08:32