TALAT KURSAT is he a fraudster & charlatan ??

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 08:37

on his web site he claims to be a member of the cyprus bar and the english bar



The English Bar - False

ISO 9001 - False

Cyprus Bar - False

TRNC Bar - Truth



is it not time he was expelled from thr trnc bar .



by making false claims does he not bring the trnc bar into disrepute ??



regardless of how he has acted or who he has acted for by purporting to be something he is not It is my OPINION



TALAT KURSAT is a fraudster & charlatan .

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:10

Or perhaps the TRNC Bar should be disbanded for not expelling him? Or perhaps the government should be forced into an early election for not disbanding the TRNC Bar? Or perhaps Turkey... Or perhaps, as usual, no one will take any notice of expats without a vote?

clifhanger


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:18

here here mal

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:25

All I would say is be very careful.

Talat Kursat is a man with serious connections and if you are going to make accusations then just make sure you have the evidence to back it up. Good luck as you are going to need it and it may have implications for this board.

AJ

clifhanger


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:36

AlsancakJack No one is making accusations facts are facts and can not be disputed EVEN IN the trnc.



his website----- http://www.talatkursat.com/Our-Memberships.html



and Pauline reads post of her contacts with the relevant bars an associations http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/06/do-you-see-the-parallels/

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:39

clifhanger

Just reread the first line of my last posting. Dont say you have not been warned.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:41

The people making the accusations are the awarding body of the ISO 9001, if they are wrong then I suggest that Kursat sues them.

dogeared


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:45

he is not kosher that is for sure.



why would any one need to be " very careful " in a civilised democratic country where all are equal before the law ??



well done to polly for exposing the situation.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:45

malsancak

I am not disputing what are facts and what are not facts, that does not concern me. All I am doing is giving some friendly advice to some one that may not realise what they could be caught up in.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:49

dogeared



'why would any one need to be " very careful " in a civilised democratic country where all are equal before the law ??'



You are having a laugh aren't you.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:51

AJ, Cyp44 have run the Akfinans/Kursat thread for weeks now and the internet is riddled with posts originating from here. They are saved in the Google cache so that if you remove them people can look there to read what has been said. If what the awarding body, World Certification Services Limited (WCS), says is true then there are doubts concerning Talat Kursat's integrity which customers should be aware of. Personally, I believe there could be a simple explanation but if there is why is a law firm which knows about Pauline's accusations, not approaching her when they have her contact details and have allegedly even visited her house to change the locks. When I star rated lawyers on my HBPG website in 2005 it took them a few days to threaten to sue me.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 10:00

AJ, you seem to be suggesting that the TRNC is not a civilised and democratic country. You wouldn't care to elaborate would you? You also seem to be suggesting that Kursat would be prepared to do something uncivilised and undemocratic over what is probably a simple mistake. I think your insinuations are probably more damaging to the law practice than the certificate revelations.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 10:03

malsacak

I am not concerned about the details, I was giving friendly advice and if the recipient does not want to take it then it is not my problem. I was giving the advice personally based on what I know and my experiences in the past but I hasten to add my views do not necessarily reflect that of other Forum Admins or the Cyprus44 board owner.

AJ

malsancak


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 10:05

or on Talat Kursat law firm hopefully.

dogeared


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 10:08

AlsancakJack......" You are having a laugh aren't you. "



No not at all .



are you saying that trnc is not a safe country or all are not equal before the law??

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 10:12

dogeared

'are you saying that trnc is not a safe country or all are not equal before the law??'



It depends on who you know.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 10:37

so it's much the same as East End Dockland where I come from, get up the nose of the wrong gang and they might slightly kill you. Personally I believe that innocent people walking the wrong inner city streets in the UK are in more danger than here.

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 10:46

I'm with you on this one A J.

clifhanger


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 10:46

WHAT EVER IS GOING ON TALAT KURSAT HAS acted without honour and integrity .



' warning ' people is all very good AlsancakJack but by doing so it could be said you know that TALAT KURSAT is a bully boy and may use or misuse the system to his own end , thus confining he is not a man of good repute.

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 11:00

I understood it was his son involved in this, or are you suggesting guilt by association?

clifhanger


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 11:03

the apple does not fall far from the tree .



Troodo have you read http://www.talatkursat.com/Our-Memberships.html ??

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 11:11

You have not answered my question - is Talet Kursat personally involved, or are you trying to get at his son through his father?

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 11:16

Talat Kursat law firm are involved in the ISO 9001 certificate case and Akan Kursat is a partner in that firm, according to the website. Perhaps partnership law is different here but in the UK partners are liable for each other's actions

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 11:25

So Talet Kursat is not personally involved - it strikes me, even though I support your cause, this is getting a little out of hand. I think the 44 administrators should take better control.

clifhanger


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:07

Troodo it is clear you have issues ,



why not share them ??



are you a client of his / the company ?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:14

I think you are doing yourselves harm by following this path. Trying to suggest I have other motives is contemptible. I know you are desperate, but this is below the belt.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:19

sorry Troodo, what part of my statement that Talat Kursat IS involved in the law firm's alleged misuse of an ISO 9001 certificate did you not understand? See msg 23. I think you are confusing this NEW thread with the actions of Akan Kursat in the Kulaksiz 5 case. Admittedly Akan has dragged his father into the row but Pauline has uncovered an alleged misuse of certification which affects both of them. I believe the thread refers to Talat Kürşat & Co Law Firm. Pauline is angry at an injustice she feels has been done to her and the rest of the residents there and perhaps she is out to uncover evidence which might help their appeal.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:24

Defirmation of Talet Kursat will not help your appeal.

clifhanger


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:29

Troodo come on answer the question how are you involved ??

clifhanger


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:31

by allowing the misuse of ISO 9001 certificate on the company website all partners are jointly liable for the FRAUD

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:36

Defamation would result in a court case against WCS, the accreditation agency who accused Talat Kursat of displaying the certificate without permission, and not Pauline. So far the law firm has not replied to their requests to remove the logo. Part of the WCS email is reproduced below:

"Hi Harry,

Finally I can write to you about this company. Mehmet Ali was trying to connect with the company since Monday but he couldn’t reach company representatives (it’s been said that they were in court etc.). So he sent them a warning letter about not to use our logos but they did not respond our calls or fax...

Kind Regards

Burcu Kumbay

Operasyon Sorumlusu / Baş Denetçi

WCS TRK Uluslararası Belgelendirme Hiz. Ltd. Şti

Kervangeçmez Sk. Eser Apt. No:20 D:8 M.Köy-Şişli / İstanbul

T: 0212 213 82 32-33 F: 0212 213 82 34

http://www.wcs.com.tr"

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:37

Understand the laws of libel before you publish allegations which may prove baseless. What research have you done? How have you confirmed you are right? Rumour? Have you asked Akan Kursat?

I'm with Alsancak Jack on this.

I sense a big libel case that could bring down Cyprus 44 as well as cost individuals a lot of money.

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:41

msg29.



Attacking your supporters for trying to point out that you are skating on thin ice, is the best way to lose them.

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:41

i can not see TALAT KURSAT & CO issuing a public apology for the misleading and untrue claims on their web site



http://www.talatkursat.com/Our-Memberships.html

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:47

Hi Anthony, if I quote the certification organisation's communications then I am not libelling the lawyers the WCS certification organisation is. I received the email via Pauline and have confirmed with WCS that what they are saying they believe to be true. Their Turkish lawyers are involved and have contacted Talat Kursat and have not yet received a reply. I would be happy to publish a retraction if WCS confirm that their Turkish lawyer is wrong. It could all be a big mistake but WCS does not think so. Talat Kursat, via an intermediary, has allegedly said that he has a certificate. He may unknowingly be involved in a fraud played on him. I would suggest he replies to WCS's communications.

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:49

Dogeared

Have to agree with AJ. Message 10.

but that doesnt mean one cant air ones opinions or offer support.



By the way ,how would you answer your own question ''are you saying that trnc is not a safe country or all are not equal before the law??'



I would say its a safer country than most except in the financial/property/legal departments especially where all three merge. Dont know about under the law, but foreigners are not treated equally, then again it wont be the first country or the last where that happens.

clifhanger


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:53

i think the police here do a great job but have their hands tied by politicians on some matters ( as in most country's)

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:57

I would just like to comment.



Where extensive litigation is entered into, it is not always who is right that wins, but often those with the

deepest pockets.



I am with Troodo on this one, despite having every sympathy with The K5 victims.



Just my thoughts thats all.



wynyardman

clifhanger


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:00

no one ha attacked any one Message 33 by asking come on answer the question how are you involved ??



is this not a pertinent question ??

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:03

Msg 35 Malsancak - actually you are. Truth is not a defence in libel, merely lowering the public standing of whoever is in question in the mind of a right-thinking man is enough to give the person named the right to sue and win.

I am sure all the people who are not happy with a certain lawyer or law firm would be even more horrified if he were to take a case and win.

It strikes me as one-sided baiting. You haven't answered the questions I asked above. What does the man involved say about it?

fiendishpaul


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Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:10

I too am with AJ and Troodo on this. They are not criticising or necessarily disagreeing with you but merely warning you of the consequences of your actions.



For obvious reasons, if he was to pursue a claim against yourselves, then alas I fear there would likely be only one winner.



Your choices of course, but if you continue then I would strongly and respectfully advise that you be prepared to dig deep into your pockets.



Regards



Paul

clifhanger


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:19

http://www.publishlawyer.com/carousel4.htm



Truth is an absolute defense

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:20

Anthony, Talat Kursat says he has a certificate, the awarding body says they didn't issue it. There is the story. Two organisations disagree. Why do you think I started a newspaper? I certainly didn't do it not to report the news when it has been sent to me and I've verified it. I have just had further evidence that supports WCS's claim that the Kursat Talat website is displaying the WCS logo without permission because they never issued them with a certificate. If correct, this evidence involves a source who cannot be challenged. More shall be revealed.

fiendishpaul


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Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:23

Clifhanger



Truth is an absolute defence - agreed, outside the TRNC



Mal



Nobody is disputing anything you say, just advising you to tread carefully.



Regards



Paul

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:25

Fiendish Paul, all my money is in my house and so I'd join the rest of the victims. I've already been threatened by lawyers to the tune of the value of my house. What you're forgetting is that I'm pro-TRNC and am willing to correct my mistakes. I don't believe, on the evidence I have from very reliable sources, that I am wrong about the WCS certificate. I am willing to believe that Kursat has a certificate but it certainly isn't one issued by WCS. Perhaps they have just displayed the wrong logo, I don't know.

AnthonySmith


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Posts: 455

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:32

Msg 42 - that's American law. Defamation is spoken, libel is written. And not an official site either. It has no bearing on TRNC law, largely based on Colonial British law in this regard.



Msg 43 - I've asked previously, but where is his right of reply? How do you know there isn't some sort of mix up? The UK government has only just admitted some people have overpaid or underpaid PAYE.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:33

Question.



Would anyone reading this thread, be deterred from appointing Talat Kursat & Co, as their advocates?



wynyardman

clifhanger


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:39

it seems some would defend the indefensible or play devils advocate on here

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:41

cliffhanger,



You have chosen your name well!



wynyardman

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:43

Mal



I fully understand your position and have absolute respect for what you have done and continue to do with regards to the injustices that people have experienced here. Having read of the experiences of expats in the courts of the TRNC, myself and others were just advising caution on how you proceeded. Only you know how far you can take this, so I will respectfully bow out at this point. However, I truly wish you the very best of luck with your future endeavours.



Kind Regards



Paul

clifhanger


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:46

i would ask him if he holds a genuine ISO 9001 certificate if his answer is no the I would ask WHY DOES YOUR WEBSITE SAY YOU DO ?? are you a man of honour and integrity or not.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:54

thanks for that fiendishpaul, I'm only prepared to stick with the fact that WCS did not issue the ISO9001 certificate and that on request it should have been removed. I don't have any evidence of deliberate fraud although Pauline is pointing to other issues as well. It would be nice to clear the air and establish why the logo is there despite a page update dated 9 7 2010? As for the question of would I use Talat Kursat's service because of an alleged misused logo, it would be too trivial to take into consideration, but Pauline's accusations go far deeper than that. I'll just report the news as it comes in to me.

I take your point about the Day's pot of paint though. I guess we're in two camps about what you do in life.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:02

cliffhanger, Kursat does have an ISO9001 certificate and that has never been in doubt since this was communicated to NCFP in the early stages of Pauline's investigation, but WCS whose logo is being displayed, says that they did not issue it and a request to remove the logo has been ignored. Is the certificate still valid, I don't know, the website was created in 2003? Perhaps it was once and non-payment of annual fees invalidated it? Who can tell, all I know is that WCS says they have no right to display the logo.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 15:21

As far as Pauline is concerned, she is deadly aware of the consequences she could face and she is not

talking about legal ones, she has e mails from the necessary professional bodies that put her outside

that possibility. She is aware that any threat she faces is of a physical nature and by being party to

an attempt to run over her partner Chris on the n ight he also helped to break into her villa (illegally).

Akan Kursat was in the offending car, either as a passenger or driver, has demonstrated to her that they

will stop at nothing.



She wishes it known that all documentary evidence has been copied four times and distributed in four

separate locations, one her legal advisers office in the UK. If anything should happen to either or

both of them, the evidence will not die with them.

blade


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Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 15:37

In law the website owner is the person resposible for the website content. I met a while back a Turkish developer who was slandered on a website, he took court action and won.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 15:43

Are you saying that Cyp44 are in trouble for allowing all these recent restaurant criticisms?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 15:45

BTW, NCFP is published in the USA under their laws. Should any of you wish to access this US based website then feel free to do so.

apc2010


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Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 15:47

Disclaimer

The content on this website is provided by Cyprus44 for personal purposes only.



Although Cyprus44 staff makes reasonable efforts to make information on this web site as accurate as possible, we cannot guarantee that all web pages are error free.



Cyprus44 does not accept any responsibility for any inconvenience originated from information published on this website.



Cyprus44 shall not be liable for any damages or costs of any type arising out of or in any way connected with your use of information and services on this website.



wonder if this covers it??

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 15:53

I am sure that those of you that have lived in the TRNC for some time will understand my final posting on this thread.

There are only two types of relationships with Cypriot Turks, and that means you are either a friend or you are an enemy. If you are an enemy then god help you because you will need all the help you can get. Believe me I have seen it first hand.

AJ

AnthonySmith


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Posts: 455

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 15:55

In a word, "no" as Cyprus 44 is simply repeating the libel, seen in the eyes of the law as a fresh libel.

clifhanger


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:15

not in trnc blade i will wager it was in turkey , their laws are very different to here.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:20

Anthony, do you get it then, NCFP is repeating what has been said by WCS the awarding body and are therefore in the same position as Cyp44

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:10

IMHO messages 1&2 are actionable.



Aj acknowledged in Msg 4 that this thread could have implications for the board, so he should have pulled it until facts could be established.



If as a result of this being placed in the public domain, Talat Kursat & Co Ltd, can claim injury to their reputation, or loss, then I belive they would have a good case to recover any perceived losses.



I do not think that we have heard the last of the content of this thread.



Can I draw your attention to the costs issues in litigation.Msg 38.



Just my views, thats all



wyn

malsancak


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:14

wyn, msg 2 is actionable????? Asking questions is actionable??? What is going on here? I'm stunned to say the least.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:19

malsankak,



Quote from Meessage 1



"Talat Kursat is a fraudster and charlaton"



Brave words indeed IMHO.



Just my views that all





wyn

clifhanger


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:37

in my opinion TALAT KURSAT is he a fraudster & charlatan



the above is not actionable as it is a reasonable comment based on his company's website according to eu based lawyers registered and checked by the uk law society.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:49

cliffhanger,



Play on words. What I quote on msg 65, was your exact wording. The burden of proof would fall on you.



Your heading was in the form of a question....Your message ! was a statement. There is a difference.



I have urged extreme caution throughout, as did Troodo, and I have no reason to change my opinion now.



wynyardman

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 20:01

clifhanger



serious accusations ,why make them on an open forum ,your first course of action should be at their offices .



have you done this already ,if not why, accusations like these should be made directly to the accused you owe them that much.



musin



long live the kktc

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 20:56

Wyn, I do not believe Kursat it a charlatan and a fraudster. The thread heading was a question but I'm afraid I'm with you as far as the accusations, the only thing that is provable is that Kursat is not authorised to display a WCS logo and does not have a certificate awarded by them and that after being asked to remove the logo this hasn't been done. There are many possible explanations for this and hopefully we'll soon find them out.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 21:07

IMHO Placing a question mark after a statement, doesn't alter the context.



It is the intention that counts - was this statement intended to damage the reputation?



Do any of us know who "Cliffhanger" is? (in real life)



One requirement of posting on boards such as this should be that your identitiy should be verified or, otherwise, posts like this should be removed immediately.



There is a duty of care on the board - I wouldn't be happy publishing this particular statement.



I am with AlsancakJack and the others on this one.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 21:29

are people who place a question mark after a statement transvestites?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 21:41

Malsancak...

Actually, I don't really understand your question. Or was it a statement?

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 21:54

that's the problem, you can't tell if the thread title is a question or a statement. However, msg 1 leaves you in no doubt what the INTENTION was. It's a bit like Kulaksiz mortgaging already sold property, when they took out the mortgage it wasn't sure what their intention was but when they stopped making payments early on the intention became clear.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:10

Personally, unless the poster's true identity is known - whatever is posted here should be taken with a pinch of salt!



IMHO, the original intention was to damage the reputation and here we are defending the subject of the attack.



Threads such as this, generally have the opposite effect of what was the poster's original intention.



All publicity is good publicity or, is it?

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 00:20

i know his identity

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 07:21

cliffhanger I amend your list:



MEMBER OF ENGLISH BAR - FALSE

MEMBER OF CYPRUS BAR - FALSE

MEMBER OF TRNC BAR - TRUE

WCS ISO9001 certificated - FALSE



E MAILS FROM all the above confirm these statements, it is important to be precise.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 07:53

Mess 75,

You owe me an e mail x

clifhanger


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 08:17

many thanks polly



Washerman my email address is shown and in accordance with the the registration process i did verify my email address.



the intention of the original post is very clear if you use out of date or falce or misleading information to enhance your personal / professional reputation the does this make you a fraudster & charlatan ??



People have commented, they could have answered yes or no to the question but chose not to do so .

expatlady


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Posts: 52

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 08:35

AJ, msg #4:

Care to expand about those "serious connections"?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
08/09/2010 10:56

TRNC is oviously not a safe country, why else would Foreign and Commonwealth Office advise Pauline and Chris to leave after the vehicular attack. The police will obviously take no action or offer protection.



That a member of the TRNC bar should involve himself in illegally breaking into a villa, illegally changing

the locks, illegally having the electricity isolated and disconnected then be in the vehicle that is deliberately

driven at a 60 year old, who was lucky to be able to jump out of the way speaks volumes. All he had

to do was follow due process and get a court sanctioned eviction order, but no that would take time,

then once Pauline was presented with this, she would have handed over the keys. Some here think

they are above the law and whilst we all show how frightened of them, they win.

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 15:49

NICE ONE POLLY



The last line says it all.

doppelganger


Joined: 08/09/2010
Posts: 147

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 16:13

do any members feel that TALAT KURSAT & co are people of integrity and honor who's virtues are without impediment ??

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 19:34

cliffhanger,



There is a world of difference between what she says in Msg 80, and what you stated in message 1.



I reiterate that I fully support The K5 people and we dont want anything to detract from their cause.



I yet again urge caution.



wynyardman

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 20:08

expatlady/Msg 79:



Haven't you yet learned that ANYTHING in Cyprus can be 'arranged' for a small cash 'consideration' - now sit back and work that one out!

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 21:56

Tena, except getting unencumbered title deeds

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 06:44

Winyardman, Look at the logo on the ISO9001, whose logo is on it WCS



When I did that little amendment, it was necessary; pollymarples has been on the case and it no longer

is. Relax cliffhanger, Pauline is a belt and braces sort of girl. You have nothing to worry about.

Cyprus 44 - You have nothing to worry about

ALSANCAKJACK - You have nothing to worry about.

Pauline has nothing to legally worry about - but watch out for speeding cars.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 07:58

just to qualify the thread title, "Talat Kursat" refers the the law firm, but who is actually misrepresenting the firm is not clear. What is clear though is that both Akan and Talat are responsible for allowing the continued unauthorised use of the WCS logo when asked to remove it by the awarding body. Because of the TRNC's protected status, by being non-recognised, the law firm are able to behave lawlessly without organisations such as WCS being able to force them to remove the logo. It will be interesting to see if the TRNC Bar will also allow this rule breaking amongst its members. This will show those who use legal services here how safe they are. One implication could be that EU citizens should only use EU lawyers to make EU contracts with EU resident property vendors. Put more simply if a UK resident wants to sell a holiday home out here then perhaps it would be best to get a UK lawyer to draw up a contract in the UK. If things go wrong then sue in the UK. Might be safer.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 09:03

Pollymarples,



I have never mentioned the ISO 9001 logo.



Msg 1 said Talat Kursat is a fraudster. I did a search to see what act of fraud he had been convicted of. There was none!



I reiterate, my advice to exercise caution.



wynyardman

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 09:35

In the broadest sense, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual. If by indicating you have "qualifications" which you do not and that, in the case of an ISO9001, you have been certified as being safely managed, this brings you clients who pay in expectation that their case will be safely managed then fraud is involved if this is not so. It may be that the practice is safely managed just as in the case of someone going to a doctor who lies about their qualification but who prescribes the right medicine and the patient is cured. But would you have gone to the doctor if you had know they were unqualified? The unqualified doctor would be guilty of fraud.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 09:55

malsancak,



Show me where the man has been found guilty of fraud, in a Court of Law



A fraudster is someone who has been found guilty of fraud. (not unproven speculation)



Some years ago I was accused of libel. I had been to see a guy who owed me £18K, and he told me he had no money so there was no chance of seeing my money back. I subsequently told someone that the man could not pay his debts.



I was shortly thereafter summoned to my solicitors office. I was told to drive round to Plaintiffs home that evening. If there was just one light on, I was guilty of libel. They would turn the electricity off, if he could'nt pay his bills.



The case was settled amicably, but I learned a lesson I would never forget.I never got my £18K



Now..... ALL I HAVE DONE IS ADVISE CAUTION.



This thread in my opinion could damage Talat Kursit &Co reputation. It could also put people off using their professional

services. It would only take one to say after reading this thread, they

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:00

had taken their business elsewhere.



I have made it clear where my sympathies lie, and I support the K% victims as long as they occupy "the moral high ground.



I believe this thread could be damaging to a number of people, and I urge caution.



wynyardman

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:09

Wyn, not guilty but accused of fraud. Most people here are too afraid to stand up for themselves. When someone rips me off I do something about it. In my case, I go one step further, I try to help others who are ripped off. One thing that gets me more angry than most things is abuse and one form of abuse which tops the list for me is the abuse of a position of power. I can understand that if you have been abused by someone in power that you want to warn others and I thank you for that. In Pauline's case, Chris was nearly run down and the police ignored it. In my case a gang of lawyers threatened to sue me for £200,000 for star rating them. I believe in common justice, truths which should be self-evident, and challenge laws which violate justice. A legal system which allows the mortgaging, risking in other words, of other people's properties violates natural justice and this is happening both sides of the crossing. I am wasting my words on you Wyn, I know, but perhaps others will agree?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:11

malsancak,re msg 2;



Why shouls the ex-pats BE given the right to vote?Unles of course they/you are TRNC citizens.

Do non-Britts have the right to vote in UK,even though they live there?

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:20

I agree Yorg, non-citizens should not be given the right to vote in any country. I'd be happy if in the TRNC, citizenship rules were the same as in the UK, including the language requirement. I would also be happy that the rules were in the official language(s) of Cyprus or the TRNC depending which way the government is going, just as in the UK they are only in English. Privilege implies responsibility.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:26

malsancak,



"I am wasting my words on you Wyn"



Nothing could be further from the truth. I have great respect for you and indeed anyone who fight for what is right and legal.



ALL I HAVE DONE IS ADVISE CAUTION, I wish to support anyone who takes the moral high ground,provided it is within the Law.



wyn

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:32

mal mesg94 lets reciprocate non uk citizens can not vote in uk. ahh but would that would not be against their human rights ??

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:50

Wyn, what happened to you is awful.



Someone using any sales aid to which they are not entitled, in my opinion is acting dishonestly, whether it be an ISO 9001, Memberships of institutions etc. It implies that they are more qualified to do the

job, for which you will pay them, than they really are. To me it is as simple or as complicated as that.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:57

Wyn

Sometimes you feel as though you are hitting your head against a brick wall.

Your advice is very valid. And the reason I posted my advice is simply that I know what is going to happen. And to clarify that statement I will not post anything on this board unless I am 110% sure of what I am posting.

'There may be trouble ahead'

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 11:05

'There may be trouble ahead'



there also may not !!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 11:09

pollymarples,



What happened to me was a breach of good faith. I entered a contract with my builder, and I honoured my side. He signed



the same contract, disregarded the legalities, then having shook hands, dishonoured his word. My fate is now in the hands of



The legal profession , and the Laws of The TRNC. I shall judge when I know the outcome.



What I find difficult to forgive is the hurt, the stress, the sleepless nights, the devisiveness that his actions have caused us,



and to add insult to injury, I not only have a villa that is unfinished but I am expected to pay some of the builders debts



because of the memorandum scam, which seems at present seems to be endorsed by The TRNC Government.



Caveat Emptor and No kochan..no money, seem to be the order of the day. The moral high ground rarely pays the rent!



wynyardman

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 11:30

Wyn, I'm not knocking your support only how far it can go. By criticising the results of unjust practices here we are only touching on the problem, by focusing on the practitioners perhaps more can be done to stop the injustices?

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 11:36

AJ wrote, 'There may be trouble ahead'

I think you're right but not in the way you think. To ask a personal question AJ, if KNOWN assailants actually ran down Pauline's partner Chris tomorrow and badly injured him and the police refused to investigate, where would you stand on this? Would you be in the "I told you so, you had it coming" brigade or would you stand besides those who find this appalling?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 12:33

There may be trouble ahead? undoubtedly! but because of that you can't let these bullies win! as a member of

Abag, I could put copies of E Mails & Text messages out in the open sent to us (all women) that would make your hair curl!



The problem is the more they threaten you the more resilient you become, and the more determined that the truth must be told, even though the truth is so well hidden amongst the cancer, it's difficult to see how to cut the cancer out, leaving healthy tissue!



You can sit back and ignore whats going on, because it frightens you! or you can try to understand their need to bully you, to try to kill someone, by knocking them down in a car, in my eyes is attempted murder, and then for the Police not to prosecute is corruption at it's worse!



If a Lawyer can't be honest & truthful, in something that as Pollymarples says is so simple, what hope for the the many honest citizens that reside in the TRNC, or the future victims who believe what he tells them!

doppelganger


Joined: 08/09/2010
Posts: 147

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 12:46

was it not munir akil that filed a claim for deformation against one of the members of an old msn forum ??



i seem to remember something about him wanting 500.000 tl in damages ??



any one

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 12:57

yep, I remember it too. So, do you think the unauthorised use of the WCS ISO9001 logo has been made up and that Pauline Read has exposed herself to similar charges? Well I'll tell you now, and I'm sure you're going to read about it elsewhere very soon, even the law firm appear to have provided evidence that they were not authorised to display the WCS ISO9001 logo!

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:05

I have no doubts about Pauline's integrity or The TRUTH of what she has exposed.



it is only some members of 44 and a member of the admin team( not sure if A/J was posting as himself or as a member of admin ?? ) who seem to think there cold be or is a problem with posting the truth.



In message 1 asked a question and I gave an opinion.



no one has answered the question YET !!!!!!!!!

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:13

AJ was only expressing his own views and I respect his warning and from past experience believe him. I'm interested not in the Kurşats' reactions, I'm more interested in the TRNC Law Society's over the next week.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:22

clifhanger,



I answered you. Msg 4 stated. " Talat Kursat is a fraudster."



I said that I had searched, and could find nowhwere that he had been found guilty of a fraud in Court.



By keep repeating, I fear that you are compounding the situation Msg 98 is quite specific.



I suppose the old adage, "you pay your money, and takes your choice" comes readily to mind. I really hope not in this instance!





wynyardman

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:26

Correction



Msg 108. Line 1 should read message I but also draw attention to Msg4.



wyn

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:38

wynyardman



I take on board and respect you view



HE MAY NEVER BE found guilty of a fraud in Court.



Does that mean he/ his company is any less of a fraudster/s for using and continuing to use the WCS ISO9001 logo



despite requests as outlined by the very eloquent malsancak.



It is my submission by seeking to gain Pecuniary Advantage by using the said logo.



but this is trnc it may not be a crime here just like it is not a crimefor a builder/ developer to enter into a contract knowing the contents to be untrue " free of encumbrances''



ANY WHERE ELSE in the world this would be FRAUD but NOT ION TRNC.

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:40

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/2



UK Fraud Act 2006



Fraud by false representation



(1)A person is in breach of this section if he—



(a)dishonestly makes a false representation, and



(b)intends, by making the representation—



(i)to make a gain for himself or another,

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:47

Well, you've heard it here first - Talat Kurşat has changed the ISO9001 logo on their website from WCS to NQA. Seems as if they are now saying that NQA issued their certificate. Mmmmm, I wonder if that's true? I wonder if Pauline has any revelations she'd like to share or will we have to wait until the weekend?

http://www.talatkursat.com/

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:57

Clifhanger,



I give up! Fraudster a person who is convicted in a Court of Law of committing a fraud.



Which court has found Mr Talat Kursit guilty of fraud? No conviction in Court, no fraud , No fraud , No fraudster, No fraudster



Msg 1 is a technical libel.



Just my humble opinion, thats all! I hope that I am wrong, or that Mr Kursat is a patient man.



wyn

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 13:58

now why would they change it ???



would Cyprus today dare to publish ??



oh the scandal



trnc hairdresser using duff certificate = deported



trnc advocate using duff certificate = NO ACTION ?????

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 14:36

it's all about intent, no proof has been produced to show that the law firm intending to use a logo without authorisation, but if the certificate was a fraud then surely the law firm has been involved in fraud.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 14:40

clifhanger

Ref message 106:

'and a member of the admin team( not sure if A/J was posting as himself or as a member of admin ?'



Obviously you are being selective about what posts you want to read. Try reading post number 13 and that will answer your question. No wonder you are going to have a lot of problems with your life in the TRNC if you do not take notice of what is going on. Do you actually reside in the TRNC? Your profile says Cyprus but anyone that resides here will happily state that they live in Northern Cyprus or the TRNC.

doppelganger


Joined: 08/09/2010
Posts: 147

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 14:44

malc



why would any one put a logo on there website if not to show or imply you are entitled to use the said logo ??



I am not now or have ever been a client friend or had any involvement in any way with TALAT KURSAT or TALAT KURSAT & co.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 14:46

it's easy to miss a post sometimes, isn't it AJ?

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 14:58

dop, by mistake? I also assume that none of the Kurşat's are web designers and so did not do it personally. If that was the sum total of the ISO9001 story then Pauline could be accused of being trivial. At the moment there are things I've been requested to keep to myself and which will show that Pauline is not being trivial.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 15:00

Yep and it is easy to ignore a post if you do not want to accept what it says.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 15:06

I know exactly what you're referring to AJ

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 15:12

Could I again refer you to msg 38





wyn

doppelganger


Joined: 08/09/2010
Posts: 147

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 15:21

of the many posters on 44 polly is the one i WOULD NEVER THINK WOULD POST triviality .



No doubt in the fullness of time ALL WILL BECOME CLEAR

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 15:43

wyn, and don't I know it!

More information on http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/09/talat-kursat-law-firm-changes-iso9001-logo-on-website/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 15:47

Facts are facts within the email from WCS and I quote ' certificiation is not shared amongst certification bodies' it goes on to say nor are logos. There can be no reason for WCS logo ever to have appeared

on Talat Kursats ISO9001 except the very obvious one,



Every certification body has its own logo and WCS say 'I can confirm that the Company Talat Kursat is not

and has never been ISO9001 registered with World Certification Services.'



Today that logo disappeared from their ISO9001 to be replaced by NQA, good job several of us did

a screen snatch. Strange that the change should take place just when everyone is questioning the right

to use WCS LOGO.



I promise it just gets better and better.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 15:56

malsancak

To answer to your question posed in posting 102:

'To ask a personal question AJ, if KNOWN assailants actually ran down Pauline's partner Chris tomorrow and badly injured him and the police refused to investigate, where would you stand on this? Would you be in the "I told you so, you had it coming" brigade or would you stand besides those who find this appalling?'



Firstly how can I comment? I know nothing about the facts surrounding the alleged original incident and your question is hypothetical because it has not happened. I do not deal with hypothesis, I deal with facts and If I do not know the facts and I cannot find out the facts then I am not interested.



If you ever get to know me then you will understand my attitude towards what goes on in the big wide (and wild) world.

Take care

AJ

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 16:02

sorry AJ, your answer is a bit to deep for me. I asked "if KNOWN assailants actually ran down Pauline's partner Chris tomorrow and badly injured him and the police refused to investigate, where would you stand on this?" You see, if it were someone in your family and those were the bare facts then I know exactly how you would respond. It's all about who your family are.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 16:21

One thing is for sure, if someone did run Chris down, he wouldn,t have any legs to stand on.



I think it more likely they would go for Pauline, she is gob on a stick. She wasn't there when they tried

to run Chris over, only later, but there was a witness and the perps have never denied it when

confronted by the police four days later, just came up with the ridiculous story of Chris and a baseball

bat, although the police have never relayed this to us, a journalist who enquired of the investigations

progress was told and he told us. Data Protection or what!!!!!!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 16:27

mal

OK lets put it a bit more simply for you.

First of all I cannot control any ones life apart from my own. If I make mistakes then that is my problem (nobody else's). Secondly you have introduced yet another hypothetical situation concerning my family. You need to re-read my last post. I have no control over my family and I can only give them advice (and anyone else for that matter) based on what I know (pure facts) and my experiences in life. If they do not accept the advice that I have proffered then they have to sort out their own problems. As far as my family are concerned there will always be a lifeline but unfortunately now I am retired It will not be financial and it will just be advice.

I guess what I am trying to tell you is that I am a 'firefighter' and I am far more adept at sorting problems when they happen as opposed to spending my time thinking about 'what and if'

Does that make more sense?

AJ

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 16:40

Actually, AJ that makes perfect sense. I too am a "firefighter" but in my case I'm looking at charred ruins and I believe I know who the arsonists are and I feel responsible if I do nothing to stop further fires.

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 17:13

is it not better to prevent firs than fire fight



by your actions not words you are judged.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 17:38

do you not think we all know what exactly does on here by now and I think that it is right to question advocates integrity if that is the right word.



if we are defending ourselves for something we would no doubt want the most hard hitting unscrupoulus advocate you could get. the other side of that is they are the same for whoever they represent and that goes for the world over.



The problem here is theres a stranglehold within as theres no legal redress within the trnc or out of it and it is now just emerging how much of a stranglehold there is or should I say corruption within the ranks.



People seemed to be scared that we dare mention corruption but that in some cases is what it is and as for being fraud bla bla bal someone doesnt have to be convicted of being a fraud to be one just as a sex offender isnt on unless convicted etc etc.



theres a difference between conviction of a criminal offence and a civil offence but it doesnt makes any differance to the fact that they may

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 17:45

one !



We also know that when in a situation here depending on the seriousness and who you are taking on the powers to be take the side of their own and If a question has been asked as msg 1 its just a question surely its the replies that have to be a bit guarded as we are not in our own country and they dont have a rule book we can use!



As has been said theres murky waters and depending how deep youre in them do you go deeper and take a chance of not getting out or just skim the surface.



I am sure the subkect or question isnt go to end here..

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 17:46

1. You put a question mark at the end of a statement when it's clear that it was meant to be a statement.



2. When you posted, you intended to do damage to his reputation - the posting was malicious.



3. A reasonable person reading your post might say, there's no smoke without fire and if they do, the damage is done!



4. This forum is regularly used as a means to damage people's/businesses reputations. In such a small community, it is a dangerous tool.



Washerman

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 17:59

message131



'is it not better to prevent firs (sic) than fire fight'



Ok you tell me where the fires are going to start and I will happily prevent them and I am sure that all of the civil defence members in the TRNC would like some one with a crystal ball so that they could go out and prevent the fires before they happen. (figuratively speaking of course)

I do not think you are living in the real world.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:13

That's it boys, I'm taking my balls home if you cant play nicely.

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:19

message 1034 all your opinion no facts ther unless you can produce evidence ??



can you ??

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:21

Solly Polly (sorry that should have read Sorry)



'That's it boys, I'm taking my balls home if you cant play nicely.'



Erm I did not realise you had any. Anyway good luck with the operation.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:22

I'll wait until the flaming is over, hopefully not a deliberate attempt to have the thread closed down, and then I'll come back and comment about these metaphorical "fires" and "arsonists." A lot of people have been burnt by professionals and it is best to know in the future which of these professionals follow standards followed for good reason in the UK, for example. The facts on the NCFP are easy to find, make up your own mind.

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:22

aj there wioll be fire(s) at dickmen dump this tear there will be fire in the cyprus mountains



steps have and are being taken to limit any damage (fire breaks / look out posts) need i go on derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:23

I'll be the judge, you stick to what your best at.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:24

AJ, tempted as I am I'll make no comments about whose got the biggest balls

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:26

clifhanger

No please do not go on, you have bored me to death already.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:31

clifhanger

'message 1034 all your opinion no facts ther unless you can produce evidence ??



can you ??'



message 1034? a bit optimistic are you not?

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:32

AJ

you cant be that bored you keep reading and answering

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:36

honestie

What do you want me to do reply to stupid postings or moderate? The choice is yours.

Enjoy your evening.

AJ

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:44

AJ



In my opinion Polly doesn't need an operation, she's got more balls than a lot of men

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 18:45

I appreciate this is a thread of possible consequences and appreciate you have to moderate and intervene if required but on the personal front if bored with the supid posts you dont have to reply.Your choice too



no offence meant and enjoy your evening too



honestie

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 19:23

THe Moderators have chosen to continue this thread, despite the acceptance of the potential consequences to Cy 44 by AJ.



There have been enough warnings of potential consequences. You pay your money, and take your choice,



wyn

doppelganger


Joined: 08/09/2010
Posts: 147

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 19:38

potential consequences



100% defense in the truth.



wyn full respect to you , i bet you heard TELL THE TRUTH AND SHAME THE DEVIL when you were a sprog IT STILL IS TRUE today

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 19:44

dopelganger, MSG 150.



Wehe I was a child , I thought like a child, I spoke like a child.



But when I became a man, I put away childish things.



wyn

doppelganger


Joined: 08/09/2010
Posts: 147

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 19:51

TELL THE TRUTH AND SHAME THE DEVIL

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 19:57

Good policy, as long as you are prepared to face the consequencies.



wyn

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 20:25

Nice one Nigel,i mean doppleganger,

Paul.

doppelganger


Joined: 08/09/2010
Posts: 147

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 20:27

newlad



bum steer old chap



TELL THE TRUTH AND SHAME THE DEVIL

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 20:31

Paul - message 155 - now, wash your mouth out



Jean

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 21:05

Jeannie,

Perhaps cliffhanger and i could share the mouthwash,lol,

Paul.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 21:37

Washerman, you better get a lot of soap powder in and a very hot wash to clean up 'arrogance on legs's

act and you would still be wasting your time.



By balls I obviously meant my...............tennis balls.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 22:39

wynyardman (mess 153)



I have faced the consequences for the last 7 years?



Pollymarples (mess 158)



It would take a very large washing machine to clean up the TRNC! never mind arrogance on leg's, he's just a "small" 20 degree cold wash!



And as for your......................tennis balls.....................................wish I'd had em 7 years ago along with my racquet!!!!!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 05:46

Well TRNC victim, you have full access NOW. 7 years ago, who would have believed it it could drag on so long. No onecan blame you for believing that such an



injustice would not be dealt with by the government of the day. We all know differently now, and anyone who

thinks sitting and waiting will achieve anything, needs psychiatric help. There is only one person who

can help you - THAT IS YOU - NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL THE YOU'S TO BECOME 'US' and deal these

animals a killer blow. No one can accuse Pauline of not putting her money where her mouth is.



It aint over till the fat lady sings - now where are those cream cakes.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 08:17

Now I'll put this on the right thread - I think this thread should only be kept open if Kursat Law Firm had totally lied about holding a Quality Management Certification, in other words the NQA ISO9001 claim was unauthorised and they knew it. That would be lying wouldn't it, a deliberate attempt to deceive, especially if the reason for not being authorised was because you had failed the necessary checks. Now IF that turned out to be the case then msg 1 would be true. I hope for the law firm's sake that this doesn't turn out to be the case. What do you think PollyM?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 09:15

malsancak,



The real issue in this thread was msg 1 said Talat Kursat was a fraudster. At that point AJ said the thread "could be damaging to



Cyprus 44" IMHO the thread should have been pulled at that stage. To have allowed a further 160 largely provocative posts



compounded any damage done. I think that unless Mr Talat Kursat has been found guilty of fraud in a Court of Law, he has



shown a great deal of tolerance.





I personally have the greatest sympathy for The K5 VICTIMS (and that is what they are) and would do all I could to help them



but I am not sure that this thread has helped them. By maintaining the moral high ground they got and deserved the sympathy



of all, and it would be a shame to see that diminished. Surely there has been enough hurt to innocent people. To risk more is



foolhardy.



IMHO of course.



wynyardman

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 09:28

Now can we pull the plug on this please,

Paul.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 09:38

if this thread is closed because of an accusation that is not proven in court then I expect every unproven accusation to be removed which could be used as a basis for a court case including an accusation that restaurants have given bad service or, unbelievably, have given good service which would set them out from their competitors. This would damage these competitor's profits!!!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 10:11

Well Paul and Wyn,



If your criteria is that nothing has been proved against the Talat boys in court, then with respect, all newspapers

would be very thin and there would never be anything very interesting to read.



Pauline wants it known that everything posted can be proved with written evidence, which in some cases

has been confirmed and reconfirmed also in writing.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 14:01

I agree with your message 162 Wyn. I would also like it to be known that Pauline's views are not the views of all the Kulaksiz 5 residents.

Jo

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 14:45

joandjelly, in the interest of balance for NCFP I would be interested in publishing Kulaksiz 5 resident views other than Pauline's. How do these views differ?

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 15:21

some of you onhere make me sick your halos and self serving self righteousness on this thread then on another making fun of the loss of a parent





when the FULL is published ABOUT TALAT KURSAT& CO will you be as vocal then??

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 15:44

How very interesting.



ive just read each post.



you all seem no further forward than you was on the morning of the 07/09/2010 08:37





is there any case for any 1 to answer to yet?



After all,This is cyprus.



No 1 it seems need to answer for his actions.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 15:51

zerochlor, the fraud is a civil matter and the accreditation boards would bring a court case if they needed. In the case of the misuse of the WCA ISO9001 logo, as stated below, the logo was removed and so no further action will be taken. Because of a promise Pauline Read made to Cyprus Today I am not able to reveal what is happening about the NQA logo and certification until after their Saturday newspaper is available.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 16:01

... should be "as stated above" for those who view oldest post first

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 10:56

Was there supposed to be something about this in the Cyprus Today? I've had a quick look and can't find anything.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 11:06

Pauline is apparently being told by Ian Shepherd of Cyprus Today that because of Bayram the article has been help up so we've published a bit more supporting information at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/11/talat-kursat-law-firm-unauthorised-certification-claim/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 11:58

Hi everyone seven that is 7 emails cannot be wrong.



Malcolm has posted a couple, the rest will follow.

johnm


Joined: 01/08/2010
Posts: 42

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 12:24

If you scroll down long enough you will allways find lillie and zerochlor,what sad sad people they are.

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 12:35

AJ. Message 129. Certainly makes sense to me and agree with its content for this post. Maybe time to close post .

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 13:21

Why close it in the light of the revelations at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/11/talat-kursat-law-firm-unauthorised-certification-claim/ and there more are to come?

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 13:23

Blimey, NCFP has been so busy I'm starting to neglect my editing duties on here!

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 13:47

Malsancack. Point taken my opinon thats all. After all if the Forum Admin thougt it should be they would have.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 14:17

I've been in two minds about the thread title and how it directly targets the law firm but then I'm reminded about the people directly targeted by the North Cyprus Law Society's (BARO) no duty of care attitude.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 15:13

johnm Have you ever thought that your scrolling down looking for lillie and zerochlor, who after all

are only exercising their right to post, you could be considered the sad one. Just a thought.

dogeared


Joined: 02/09/2010
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 15:29

will some one please say what a jolly fine meal they had at the eating place and how lovly everyone is then the clique will be tickatie boo

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 15:37

NEVER BEEN TO GUIDO's but I will come soon - promise, although all Pauline's pennies have been needed

of late in her legal battles.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 15:44

nige msg 182 get real man, this is no place for your sarcasm. polly deserves better.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 15:46

cliffhanger

you and others go on about how the north of cyprus is a non recognised country it has a mickey mouse government it is a lawless place it has no real solicitors ,and then you huff and puff about a bloody logo .



WHY ,surely this is of little significance if any .or could it be you have a personal vendetta against this person

or persons ,which as far as i can work out points to that direction.



musin



long live the kktc

dogeared


Joined: 02/09/2010
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 15:50

Message 184 ??? sarcasm not a bit of it and he is banned on here .

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 15:50

MUSIN M



are you for real or just a g/c stooge ??

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 16:00

Musin M, actually the original complaint against one of the partners was that he was involved in an illegal break in and an attempt to run Pauline's partner Chris down. The police ignored that and so Pauline started to investigate Talat Kursat Law Firm and that's when she picked up the information about a set of questionable qualification and membership claims. The first was to do with ISO9001 accreditation and you can read more about that at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/11/talat-kursat-law-firm-unauthorised-certification-claim . If you feel it is of little significance for a lawyer to misrepresent themselves then that says a lot about what you expect from the lawyers you use.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 16:05

MUSIN M you must be really thick or not understand anything - of course my creator Pauline has a vendetta

against Akan and Talat Kursat, she has never pretended otherwise. A little bit like the vendetta they have

against her. Witness it was her villa they targetted to illegally break into, change the locks and isolate and

cut off the electricity, it was her partner Chris they tried to kill. She is through being angry, she is now getting

even, and if you think a dodgy ISO9001 is nothing wait for the next revelation. Men of the law who makes

claims to what is a very prestigious award, what else are they lying about. The same people who got into

bed with Gary Robb the drug pushing criminal, Akan a director of Aga Developments alongside Gary Robb.

Yes there is so much to recommend them.



You Couldn't Make It Up

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 16:31

cliffhanger the only stooge is you ,you muppet.



pollymaples



read msg 1 and then read msg 185 or maybe it,s you who is thick .

when you post an article, people respond to that article if you want to diverse the subject then start another thread,but do not take it upon youself to imply your are any smarter than others.



get over yourselves.





musin



long live the kktc

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 17:21

MUSIN M



If someone had broken into your home, and then tried to run you down, how would you feel?



would you just do nothing?



If someone stole all your life savings, and the stress of the true corruption when known helped your loved one over the edge of life, how would you feel?



would you just do nothing?



Life is very short for us all musin, and I realize you love your beloved kktc, but it must change, no-one else must lose everything they have to a Country that can't seem to understand that it's present laws are at best stacked against anyone wanting to live there peacefully, and at worse downright corrupt!



long live honesty and transparency

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 17:38

trncvictim



had a read a thread as what you have just written then i would respond accordingly ,however please read my msg 185 .



this post started off regarding a logo.



musin



long live the kktc

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 18:19

Musin M, the Kulaksiz 5 property scandal is only about people losing their life savings having been misled by lawyers who informed them that the contracts they paid for were valid. Apparently it is perfectly legal to sell people useless and misleading contracts. Well Pauline is picking one of the law firms to pieces to see how else they are allowed by the legal system to mislead people. It has nothing to do with the KKTC because it is happening in the south as well

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 18:27

Musin M you really are thick aren't you.



TALAT KURSAT - BABA

AKAN KURSAT - son and partner in the firm that is displaying dodgy ISO9001



AKAN KURSAT BROKE INTO MY HOME - ATTEMPTED TO MURDER MY PARTNER

AKAN KURSAT ADVOCATE FOR AKFINANS BANK

AKAN KURSAT director of AGA DEVELOPMENTS WITH Gary Robb

GO BACK TO 1st message - get the connectiion to my message 189



Now do you see all inter connect no need for a new thread.



As my old grandma used to say they're bad uns.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 18:59

pollymarples



i hope you find what you are looking for ,from a very thick turkish cypriot .



good luck to you .



malsancak



i fully assimilate what i read,however what i do not absorb is being attacked ,you will get no results ,as i say i wish good luck with pollymarples.



musin



long live the KKTC

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 19:04

MUSIN M



read the center pages of cyprus today written bt a turk of cyprus











long live the KKTC but it's drivers may not

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 19:09

cliffhanger



like it or not the kktc will live on forever.







musin





long live the kktc

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 19:27

Lilli Mgs 184. good on you my darling you tell um. now you cy44 guys lets all send the Lilli message peace love

be nice to people, Lilli your wonderful in my opinion.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 19:48

I cant help but think,how easy life would have been regarding the foreighners living in TRNC,if TRNC was a recognised repuplic.

Obviously sharks start circling when people throw themselves into the water!

Perhaps,the piroties are elsewhere regarding the rest of the world.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 21:31

that's my preference, rather than an extension of Mersin Province

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 21:42

malsancak,



What revelation? Woops! We forgot to renew our annual subscription! (hypothetical)



Now fraud. That is a criminal act (part of the Theft Act) Give us a court, and a guilty verdict, and a sentence. THAT is a revelation!......... Talat Kursat. Leading Law Firm in the TRNC...........



I have every time for you, Cyprus Free Press, and I would do all in my power to help The K5 VICTIMS.



How about publishing something useful? Name, address and Telephone details of "clifhanger" then we would better understand his motives.



I really hope that we are all not being truly hoodwinked!



Just my thoughts, thats all.



wynyardman

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
11/09/2010 22:27