Turkey to appoint governor for for trnc ???

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:28

speaking with someone who has been in meetings with the military it has been said turkey to will appoint governor for trnc in early 2011. council of incompetents oops ministers to be scrapped, strict public spending to be introduced.

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:35

Cliffhanger,



If this is to be the case then it will be good news and lets hope that this Governor has a range of powers to make the TRNC succeed!

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:36

Now that makes sense.



wyn

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:49

If this were to come to fruition it will be a massive step in the right direction. Surprised that it hasn't happened earlier as the 'Motherland' must wonder where all those millions of dollars get spent. Maybe in 2011 we will see a fleet of ministerial Mercedes re-badged as taxis ??



Paul

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:49

Well it had to come and the sooner the better. Hopefully the days of nepatisim, corruption & fraud will be addressed and those accountable brought to book. The masses of goverment employee's will need to justify there positions, will be good to see a few whinging TC's for a change it will give the Brits a chance to get their breath.



D.N

bigbadbob


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Posts: 368

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:08

Is this the forerunner to joining the EU?Bob.

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:14

D.N.

tomsteel


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Posts: 482

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:17

If only this was to be the case!!!! I still believe in Santa and tooth fairies etc.

ClaireCat44



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Posts: 739

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:22

I hope this doesn't happen, and I doubt it will.

spider


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:25

Lets all hope and pray he has at least some experience, as he may well be another blind man )







Spider,X

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:35

Forerunner to becoming Mersin 10 for real!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:38

msg 5;

You do not have to put up with TCs 'whinging',there is always 'Bangladesh'.Besides,I still have that free taxi rerservation waiting for you with the proof of one way ticket.

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:51

msg.1

This is like kids school yard talk..

If Turkey could do that they would have done it 36 years ago!!



NO CAN DO...

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:54

seriously, this seems unlikely



turkey has been boxing clever the last few years by maintaining its vast trade with the west

yet putting the west on notice it is developing close relations with russia, iran and central asia



there has anyway been a growing tukification of north cyprus all these years,

mainly due to political manipulation and the blockade

engineered via that part of cyprus even now still occupied by the greek cypriot regime



why further gild the lilly? (no, not you lilli!)

gwendoline


Joined: 08/06/2009
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 15:04

Unfortunately, the same rumour was flying around years ago and came to nothing. Could turn out to be a double edged sword as well although and I am surprised that someone hasn't suggested an elected President/Governor with say a small group of GENUINE experts to run the place. The thing is I can't see Yogozlu going for either somehow and the suggestion of such a thing is going to send him off into one again.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:00

This is a huge step forward. Looks like 2011 will be very interesting.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:02

gwendoline;



"I can't see Yogozlu going for either somehow and the suggestion of such a thing is going to send him off into one again"







It was a msg. to a particular individual and not general.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:03

This would be an unbelievable climb down for both Turkey and the TRNC. Not necessarily a good idea and not likely to happen in my opinion





Harold

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:46

Andre

Ref message 14:



'there has anyway been a growing tukification of north cyprus all these years,'



Where do you think Cypriot Turks originated from?



'Turkification' of Cyprus has been going on from the 1800's and probably before that but from the books that I have read that is the earliest that I can find reference to.

How long does it take for a mainland Turk to become a Cypriot Turk?

AJ

zcacmxi


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:52

When a mainland turk stops working and becomes a government employee, then he becomes a Cypriot!

waddo


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Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:53

AJ,



Same length of time it takes for a Yorkshirman to become a Lancastrian! In reallity its the same thing - what is the difference between a Black Sea Turk and a Cypriot Turk? Answer has to be, about 40Kms of sea.

Still a Turk no matter what in the same way that people from the Isle of Man are still British.........................



Can see no reason why it could not happen anyway. The only thing that would stop it would be the UN and they will do anything to have a solution - that could be the way. Then the South could also be governed by a Greek governor from Greece and everyone would be happy!

sloan



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Posts: 808

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:59

Should that be a Mediterranean Turk if referring to Mersin and along the coast?

gooligan


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 18:13

Msg 20 )

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 18:57

cliffhanger



you were speaking to someone ..........................................................................ok





musin





long live the KKTC

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:04

I have spoken to a couple of locals recently, they both seem to have quietly accepted that North Cyprus will become part of Turkey.



Apparently, Rauf Denktash also alluded to this in a recent speech.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:25

Mustafa hits the nail on the head in msg 13



If they could have done that then it would have been done years ago.

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:34

Message 13 could it be there is no solution there will be no solution all parties have until the end of the year to sort it OR ELSE ??

Stubs


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Message Posted:
07/09/2010 20:31

or else.......................what?

iceman


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Posts: 724

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 21:18

It has been scientifically proven by DNA tests (on more than one occasion) that Turkish Cypriots do NOT have much in common with mainland Turks.

zcacmxi


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 21:34

msg 29, iceman.

Depends on the definition of mainland Turk... Certainly, there are many Turkish Cypriots that can trace their ancestry back to Turkey in the Ottoman times... Just like the Muslim population in Bosnia, etc.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:11

Mark....message 25



When you say "quietly accepted" do you also mean "reluctantly" accepted ?



The reason I ask is that based on my admittedly limited experience of interacting with TC's in NC, they seemed to have more of an affinity with their Cypriot brothers in the south than with mainland Turks !

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 00:25

I'm genuinely puzzled:



surely until 1983 turkish cyprus was a "federated province"

is this what people think we will return to?



on the other continued hostile intransigence from the gc's,

but without any realistic prospect of ever getting hold of the territory,

can be seen as highly provocative and testing the guarantor's patience



it is possible turkey would annex the north formally if all else fails

and kind of say, if you want to blockade them you are blockading us

so be "very careful" indeed...

in those circumstances the usa seeing its ostpolitic in complete tatters,

will be having virtual kittens



I would have thought an alternative was turn it into a turkish province,

in all but name in other words "why buy the cow when the milk is for free"?



...or just keep it as a protected province, since the status quo

seems to be the only deal on the table at the moment

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 01:31

andre ,i think the reason it is not a turkish "state has to do with these ,...



http://www.un.int/cyprus/resolut.htm

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 01:50

a lot of resolutions apc but with what result?

...one rejected annan un compromise!



do you know this english rhymn?



"all the kings horses and all the kings men,

couldn't put humpty together again"

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 01:54

not quite true ,although i agree the un /eu are a waste of time ...



ALL the other resolutions were NOT voted on ..............



and the annan plan was not a resolution but a suggestion ( cant spell proposistion)........

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 02:20

apc2010 - here you go - "proposition".



You never know, it may well come in handy in the future



Mind you, can't honestly see much difference between that and 'suggestion'.



J

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 02:22

Sorry - forgot the point. I'm with the school of thought that says "if they were going to do it (appoint a minister from Turkey, that is), I think they'd have done it years ago".



J

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 08:22

Mess 26 / mess 37

My personal opinion is that Turkey couldn't have done it years ago but possibly could now, as the mainland Turks and their descendants probably hold the balance of majority if you throw in the T/C's that back separation

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 09:19

Some of you keep forgetting the only reason world has tolerated Turkeys presence in Cyprus.

doppelganger


Joined: 08/09/2010
Posts: 147

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 10:13

iceman



do please tell why has the world has tolerated Turkeys presence in Cyprus ??

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 10:26

Because Turkey was exercising her guarantor rights given to her under 1960 treaty and those rights do NOT give her the right to extend her boundaries to Cyprus!!

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 10:34

thanks iceman

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 10:51

Annexation of TRNC by Turkey would be construed by UN/EU and, no doubt, the 'International Community', as 'sedition' - however, the 'status quo' already also is!



The appointment of a Turkish governor to monitor the current profligate spending of Turkish government funding is long overdue.



The question is: if such a governor were to be appointed, and in consideration of the multiple 'temptations', would he, or his team, be incorruptible?



Initially, he might be - but when he gets to 'know the ropes'........ ??? !!!

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 12:23

Iceman is of course correct,Turkey ceded her rights to Cyprus with the signing of the Lausanne Treaty in 1923.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne



But Turkey also has guarantor powers under the Zürich and London Agreement.If you take time to read them you will see Iceman knows his stuff.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_and_London_Agreement

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 13:22

I find it almost unbelievable that many who invest in Northern Cyprus and call it home do not know that under the Zurich and London agreements that the guarantor nations could use power to re-establish the 1960 treaty.

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 16:36

tomsteel,

Why on earth would you want to be in the EU?

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 19:29

Ref msg 46 - Martin, I do not, nor implied I did. I would, however, be happy for the Turkish government to sort out the many problems occasioned by the current and past administrations in regard to TC and expats alike. Basic human rights, justice, respect for the 'fair for all' law spring to mind and to rid the nepotism, corruption et all must be the way ahead; surely?

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 22:56

stubs message 45:



ah, but will they?



after 36 years' separation it is a bit late for powers like britain

to chance another completely barmy military adventure in cyprus

...simply because cypriots cannot agree terms



andre

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 23:22

stubs message 45:



and of course the cypruses of fifty years-on host 125,000 foreigners in the south,

with perhaps half as many in the north



...also the western states are in thrall of "rising turkey" as "newsweek" described

its economic and national progress and dare not upset it further after the eu-debacle



well, yes, in a kinda technical sense your prediction could happen, but only in theory,

and I cannot see this even registering in any investor's mind

but then there is the leaky blockade of course which does put them off I'd suppose:



now there is something to complain about, for illegality and breach of human rights



andre