Georgia and Cyprus.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
10/08/2008 12:40

Does anyone else see a parallel to the Russian Peace Operation in Georgia and the Turkish Peace Operation in Cyprus?





Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
10/08/2008 12:57

How would you see it as similar, Troodo?

lovingcyprus


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Message Posted:
10/08/2008 13:05

Non at all, why do you think it is similar?????????????

andre 514


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Message Posted:
10/08/2008 13:14

there are very obvious parallels, troodos:

a powerful state working to protect its persecuted offspring over the border



on the other hand it is hard to imagine the so-called ROC mounting

any sort of military biteback, though anything is possible I suppose



and again turkey would be unlikely and unwise to bomb the south

in such an eventuality...

unless it was for strictly military reasons

eg if the ROC shipped their S300 anti-aircraft missiles back from crete



andre

brian24001


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Message Posted:
10/08/2008 15:17

for the ROC it would be political suicide to cross a UN line, for Turkey it would be the same to invade the EU, sleep well tonight.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
10/08/2008 15:26

You seem to have missed my point. I am not suggesting that the situation is the same today, after all Turkey has keeped the peace for 34 years, my parallel is 1974.



Troodo

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pilgrim



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Message Posted:
10/08/2008 19:04

Don't worry Troodos understood straight away,saw the similarities with 74, good point.

berty



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Message Posted:
10/08/2008 19:19

The knock on effect of the issues with Russia and Georgia may have a significant effect on TRNC, that is of course if my assumption about closing down one of the largest oil pipelines through Turkey to Europe is anything to go by. Surely there is a huge potential for oil shortages and the impact that will have on Turkey and the rest of Europe including good old blighty too.



Any thoughts

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
10/08/2008 19:36

troodo

there are similarities of course with 74 ,however unlike turkey russia are

showing their awesome might too its neigbours ,hence the hard hit.









regards musin

aslan


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 09:28

No comparison at all, Turkey intervened to protect all Cypriots from oppresion, Russia have invaded a peaceful sovereign state and will be punished eventually for their actions.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 10:47

This peaceful sovereign state was attacked by Georgia while peace talks were in progress Russia intervend to stop the ethnic cleansing.



Georgian forces and separatists in South Ossetia agree to observe a ceasefire and hold Russian-mediated talks to end their long-simmering conflict.

Hours later, Georgian forces launch a surprise attack, sending a large force against the breakaway province and reaching the capital Tskhinvali.

South Ossetian rebel leader Eduard Kokoity accuses Georgia of a "perfidious and base step".

The head of Georgian forces in South Ossetia says the operation is intended to "restore constitutional order" to the region, while the government says the troops are "neutralising separatist fighters attacking civilians".

Russia's special envoy in South Ossetia, Yury Popov, says Georgia's military operation shows that it cannot be trusted and he calls on Nato to reconsider plans to offer it membership.



Troodo

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ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 10:50

The moves on the ground look comparable to me troodo.



Unlike the Turkish Cypriots who probably didn't want to allign itself with Turkey, South Ossieta wants to break away from Georgia and allign itself with Russia. Talks were taking place between South Ossieta and Georgia. No one knew that Georgia was going to attack. It seems to me like Georgia is the aggressor. Their President has been regarded by some as a hot head.



Russia has probably been itching to get involved but I can't say I blame her. Russia has been smarting over Kosovo,and feels that South Ossieta should also be recognised as an independent state.



Russia is also feeling threatened by the building up of Nato forces taking over it's former states. The US now wants Poland and the Czech republic to hold nucleur weapons. Russia keeps asking itself, who has the West defined as the enemy? Are we your enemy? If so we will defend ourselves.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 13:16

Troodo: "...This peaceful sovereign state was attacked by Georgia..."



Are you sure about the "sovereign" bit?

aslan


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 16:59

Well done Troodo your investigative research has gone beyong the boundaries of copy and pasteing Russian propaganda information. You shall be working for Reauters soon with the vast knowledge and experience of Georgia and it's provinces.



South Ossetia is part of Georgia and as a sovereign state is under international law allowed to protect it's regions from illegal attacks from enemies they consider to be violating these terms.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 17:00

Eric

Apparently so, but this came from a Russian source. It is a very sorry and chaotic time at the moment, not one to score points on. Yet, I still say the parallel is there.

God help the civilians on both sides.



Troodo

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ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 17:30

aslan from what I understand South Ossetia does not want to be part of Georgia. Also from the map it looks like North Ossetia is part of Russia.



It looks to me that Georgia has tried to make South Ossetia submit to it's whim. Georgia may have used force thinking that Russia would not intervene or even more foolishly thinking that the West will help them. Russians response is way over the top, but they are reacting not to this event, but to what they see as the bigger picture.



Russia is a big proud nation that wants to be back as the number one player on the International stage. It feels humiliated by the break up of the Soviet Union and does not take kindly to the US advising the Georgian troops in Georgia right on it's doorstep. Nato has to be careful and more diplomatic. Putin has restored Russian pride. If you keep building up one force, the NATO force, then another force will rise to oppose it. Russian and Chinese troops train together. This is a natural reaction to the growth of NATO.



If the West doesn't intervene, show strength then that region might believe that Russia is the top dog and others may feel it in there benefit to side with it. Of course, the West can't intervene because it's a war no one can win. But you never know. This is a very worrying event.



Russia also knows that it can retain greatness through it's energy sources. Controlling the Georgian pipeline gives it alot of power.



Also interesting to see that clearly Putin is still in charge of Russia.

As Troodo says, god help the poor civilians caught up in the battle. It must be a nightmare.

aslan


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 10:15

American to invade the UK to protect US passport holders! Could you imagine such a scenario? NO I did not think so, South Ossetia is part of Georgia and a breakaway region, all though during the Rose revolution they were more than happy to leave the Russian Regime, but alas as a poor neglected area the Russians offered them passports to be a pawn in case of any future unwarranted aggression. Gori, Poti, Batumi are in Georgia and Russia have invaded these areas which have no connection with South Ossetia or Abkhazia.



God help all Georgians.