Must watch this with open mind , american view of muslims

basheer



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Message Posted:
08/09/2010 23:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSKZX7RyCBc&feature=player_embedded

LaptaMike


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 00:05

hmm very disturbing bash. I think it was disgusting how some of them reacted.

mollycorbin


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 00:10

...yawn...why don't you try spreading peace instead of this nonsense. Texas is not America by the way. My best friend is Muslim. I am American. You now have MY American view of Muslims. Want to know my view of you??

basheer



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Posts: 948

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 00:21

I was touched by the feelings shown by those who stood by her but was saddened by some who did not

I know most Americans stand for equal rights but when I saw this i decided to put this on ps I am a muslim

happy ramadan

Lilli



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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 00:23

Also happy bayram/Eid to you Bash x

mollycorbin


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 00:29

Okay basheer, peace. I hope your next few days are filled with love and happiness.

basheer



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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 00:35

thanks Lilli and you to Molly

And I further pray that all who truly and sincerely believe in God, be they Christian, Jew, Buddhist or Brahmin, who strive to do good and avoid evil, who are gentle and kind, will be joined in Heaven and be granted final pardon and peace."

basheer



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Posts: 948

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 00:44

actually the heading should have said how a few texans think of muslims

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 08:04

An interesting experiment albeit misleading in the extreme.



As pointed out later in the thread, Texas is not the US and whilst some openly supported the actions of the storekeeper, many just didn't want to get involved in a dispute. How often do people see a dispute (of any kind) and walk past because they do not want to get involved ?



As for how do Americans view Muslims, well over 5 million Muslims live in the US so they must be doing something right. The fact that a 'mosque' may be built just around the corner from 'Groung Zero' albeit with some opposition and that the threat of a 'burn the Koran' day has been met with widespread condemnation says more about how the US views Muslims than any TV expose.



Could a similar experiment with roles reversed be conducted in downtown Kandahar or North Pakistan ? Not if the actors valued their lives it couldn't.



Just my opinion



Paul

Groucho



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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 08:11

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."



Edmund Burke



The fact that the majority of customers did nothing says it all... Those who sided with the bigotry are probably beyond being salvation because they simply don't think enough. But they've probably never even been outside the state of Texas.



Those who saw through the exchange to what it really was are the only hope for America. I just hope the bakery does not suffer from this experiment....

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 08:38

Groucho



I agree but Burke's adage can be used worldwide and applied to any nationality.



The fact that some 'westerners' have a fear or suspicion of Muslims demonstrates that radical Islam is succeeding to a degree - namely to strike fear and terror into the psyche of the 'infidels'.



Terrorism definition - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear



Unfortunately, I am willing to bet that even now, on the Undergound in London, those of a 'middle eastern' appearance and carrying a backpack are still viewed suspiciously by some. After an event like the 7/7 bombings this is regrettably human nature.



Paul

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 08:54

Basheer,



Texas is most definatley not the place for such an experiment. I think you got a very false view.



Try the same in middle England and I think that you would find more tolerant attitudes.



I have to say the Burka does little to break down barriers



Enjoy Bayram.



wynyardman

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 09:08

now they want to have a burn a quran day. today in a little part of america



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11223457

Groucho



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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 09:38

"I have to say the Burka does little to break down barriers"



US military might also does little....



If Islamic fundamentalist terrorists want to plant bombs I'm pretty sure they could disguise themselves as non-Muslim and wear US/UK clothing with no religious connotation... It's not rocket science.



The very idea that clothing is what it is about totally misses the point.



This was an experiment in prejudice and respect. She was only wearing a head scarf for heaven's sake.



Apropos 'Burn a Koran Day'



'But organiser, Pastor Terry Jones said: "We must send a clear message to the radical element of Islam.".'



That clear message would seem to be - 'yes we too are religious bigots'

mahdel


Joined: 28/05/2009
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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:33

I am american and my wife is Muslim. America has 300+ million citizens. At least some of them are going to be idiots. Thankfully, freedom of religion is guaranteed as one of the most basic rights in the US Constitution so what the bigots think doesn't really matter. Any attempted ban on headscarves or minarets would quickly be ruled unconstitutional. You could easily find similar anti-Muslim sentiment in Britain or any other European country, particularly those with large Muslim immigrant populations.

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:40

Groucho



Apropos 'Burn a Koran Day'





'But organiser, Pastor Terry Jones said: "We must send a clear message to the radical element of Islam.".'



That clear message would seem to be - 'yes we too are religious bigots'



Agreed, however this is a small pentecostal church with a congregation of about 50 people - it hardly sums up the attitude of the US as a nation. Pastor Terry Jones is a self promoting bigot and the vast majority of the US and the rest of the western world recognise him for what he is.



The Koran is promoted as a book of peace by the vast majority of Muslims, it is only the radical element that twist its' words to advocate 'Jihad' against the 'infidels' and unfortunately this only serves to feed bigots like Pastor Jones.



As I said in an earlier post, would you be able to safely conduct the same experiment using westerners in the heartlands of the Taleban ?



Regards



Paul

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 10:40

So sad all in the name of religion, and a so called God not for me don't buy a word of it, for me religion is the root of all evil

basheer



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Posts: 948

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 11:35

back to top

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
09/09/2010 11:47

And my dad said women where the root of all evil

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 00:05

Mr Z,

Stand corrected forgot about them, strange breed

mollycorbin


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 14:47

zerochlor, obviously not a bright businessman. You've annoyed me. msg 13 "Now they want to have a burn a quran day. today in a little part of america" Who is "they" exactly? Jackasses from the sticks in America? Yes, we do have them as does every country. But that is not what you meant, right? When you typed "they" you meant Americans. Are you an impressionable prepubescent boy then? The fact that you wanted to expound on this thread and have it proliferate indicates something about you.

I am moving next week into my new home finally. One of things on my to do list was to call you. Forget it. You won't be getting these U S dollars.

Can't wait to see what masculine nonsense you will spew out now...tsk tsk...

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 15:09

Generalising about any race or culture is something the small minded, fearful stereotype, easy led person does, this is quite common and has to be accepted as if this type of loser was not around how would the rest of the intelligent population succeed in life?

basheer



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Posts: 948

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 19:34

back to top for those who missed this

phylray



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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 20:12

The guy only has a congregation of 50 and we don't even know how many, if any, support his stupid

and dangerous ideas. Listening to some of the Americans on BBC reports speaking it is evident that

those who oppose the building of mosque near to Ground zero, seem blind to the fact that Muslims also

lost loved ones in the atrocity.

Glynn


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Posts: 192

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 20:15

Americans are just not very bright and Muslims have no sense of humour.

measey


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 20:20

Glyn . How do you know that all Muslims dont have a sense of humour prove please.

Glynn


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 20:22

Measey, If you are a Muslim I think I have made my point. Get a life!!

measey


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 20:26

Glyn. No i am not a Muslim , but i have many Friends that are . They are very nice peolpe going about there lifes Respecting other poeples Cultures and opions so stop being and Ar---e.

Glynn


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 20:28

I thought you were not very bright........Thanks for the confirmation. Say hello to your PEOLPE for me.

measey


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 20:34

Glyn. sorry for the spelling mistakes. (people.) have to say its very kind of you to be so nice thank you.

Glynn


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 20:38

You are more than welcome.

oceana


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 20:57

I was touched by the video, it's good to know that the majority of people stood by the woman. What some people can't see is that every one is equal, made of bones and meat, and how they dress and what they believe shouldn't change this!! You don't have to like it, but you don't have to disrespect it either.

Glynn do you measure human intelligence by their religion or nationality?

By the way you said muslims, but christianity and Islam isn't much different I believe, one calls it Allah the other calls it God, one calls it Kuran the other calls it Bible, one calls it church the other calls it mosque!!! They all believe in the same thing but call it different names and obey it differently.

Glynn


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:00

You say Tomato we say Tomatoe, lets call the whole thing off.





Which is slightly less stupid than your version.

mollycorbin


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:03

msg 25 ...Americans are just not very bright and Muslims have no sense of humour.



...and Glynn is a jackass...

Gollllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyy....stereotyping sure is fun.....giggity....

please post when you have something more intelligent to report.

oceana


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:06

Definitely agree with you mollycorbin. At least you got my point Glynn;). Couldn't be as stupid as msg 26!

oceana


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:07

sorry msg 25 dat was supposed to be

Glynn


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:08

Mollycorbin. Being silly and juvenile does not make an argument. Surely you can do better than that? What are YOUR core beliefs, and are you prepared to debate them here? If not why are you posting?

mollycorbin


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Posts: 390

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:23

My core belief is that you are a jackass.

Glynn


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:31

You know what. I rather suspected you believed in nothing.



Me being a Jackass (or not) is not really the question is it?



We should dwell a little more on your inadequateness and what we can do to help.



You should never feel like a second class person just because you are not that bright. You will have other attributes.



Can you Knit?

mollycorbin


Joined: 12/03/2010
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:38

Your not worth any more of time, Glynn.

Glynn


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:41

That's how I reckoned you would chicken out. Point made. Even less bright than I thought.

branwell



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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:42

.....on the other hand, despite the level of discourse here, if you're called 'thick' enough you act thick and if you're called 'the Great Satan' enough...well, you get my drift...

oceana


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:44

Who do you think you are! Grow up and act like you age!

Glynn


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:48

I will answer post 43 when it is translated into English. Have you no pride?

oceana


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:57

There was no question for you to answer. I just cant stand the way you talk to people!

Glynn


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 21:58

????????????????????????

SamAdams


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 22:39

Oh Glenn,

What kind of question is that? What are your core beliefs – could you please explain exactly what that means?

Obviously, by your posts – you are a prejudiced self-riotous condescending (and likely impotent) chauvinistic wannabe intellectual failure. Look we all know you wet your bed and sucked your thumb and never really got over the trauma of getting your ass kicked in school. Now you are demonstrating your perceived superior intellect by acting like a prick on every forum possible on this board. I understand you have unresolved issues....your dad beat you , your wife left you, and you have no real relationship with your kids. Poor Glynn...denial is not going to help you deal with any of these issues or your impotence. So while you lash out at Muslims and the evil dimwitted Americans – we all know that you really just hate yourself. We all recognize that you being such an obnoxious twat is really a cry for help.

SamAdams


Joined: 17/03/2010
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 22:40

So Glynn (do men spell Glenn with a y?) ...anyway so Glynn we in this forum are here to help. I will be happy to meet you anytime so that we can discuss my lack of intelligence and your need to overcompensate for your inadequacies.

When the moderators shut this post down because they say it is irrelevant or off topic or whatever other excuse they give...please know that the real reason is they don't want to say what everyone is thinking which is as another member so eloquently stated, YOU ARE A JACKASS.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 948

Message Posted:
10/09/2010 22:44

oceana Glynn its idd lets switch off and start again.it's idd and time to rejoice and make up Yes

SamAdams


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Message Posted:
10/09/2010 23:03

Bayramınız kutlu olsun ......and in that spirit I forgive Glynn -even though he is still a jackass.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
11/09/2010 01:52

SamAdams



In that case, perhaps I should consider becoming a Muslim



I must admit that, if I were 'looking' for a religion, I thought Buddhist would be my first choice. However............................



Regards.



Jean