Crisis ??

littlenige



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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 15:47

Is the country in Economic Crisis ??



I would say it appears so What do you say.



Economic crisis wraps Turkish Cypriot cabinet in jail stripes

Saturday, August 9, 2008



ISTANBUL - Turkish Daily News





The economic crisis and chronic rise in prices have led to unusual acts of protests in northern Cyprus. Successive rises in oil, electricity and grocery prices, and vehicle fees have drawn a strong reaction from civil society.



Prominent unions and nongovernmental organizations in the country have undertaken an unusual campaign of protest. Protestors from 38 labor unions and NGOs published and distributed posters portraying Turkish Cypriot cabinet members as the Dalton brothers from the Lucky Luke cartoons, daily Kıbrıs Postası reported. Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer, Foreign Minister Turgay Avcı, Finance Minister Ahmet Uzun, and Labor and Social Security Minister Sonay Adem are pictured as Avarell, Joe, Jack and William Dalton, who rob banks and trains in the cartoon.



The press statement at the back of the posters, titled “Price hikes are not fate,” called on the public to put the posters up in their offices, houses and cars. It said the government “ripped off the people despite the discourse of self-rule.” Therefore the members of the cabinet, who are like the Daltons because of their offenses against the public, earned themselves the title “Zamtons,” it said. Labor union members also hung posters in their offices reading “For sale. Apply to the Prime Ministry.”



On another front, the Northern Cyprus Hoteliers Association has put its hotels up for sale, placing ads in newspapers. Expressing its criticism of the government's tourism policies via the ads, the association's published statement read, “In order to save our honor, we decided to sell our hotels.”



Meanwhile Turkish Cypriot Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer said they had “asked YTL 200 million from Turkey, but Ankara did not give them any money,” daily Milliyet reported Friday. Opposition parties claimed that the Soyer government had burdened the economy with over-employment.



http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=112084

rtddci


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 16:05

I think the TRNC is in financial crisis and it will get worse. Pity the government hasn't taken any notice of us 'whinging brits', might have helped.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 16:08

I'm almost certain the trnc is in financial crisis. If there is no further funding from Turkey then there are major problems ahead.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 16:17

Two choices then - they either get their act together, encourage an entrepreneurial rather than dependent mindset, or they cave in to GC demands and sign their equality away. Not enough time and commitment for the former, looks like the latter.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 16:19

ilovecyprus,



Pretty sound analysis that!



wyn

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 16:30

Hey Wyn



How about you running some training courses on Thatcherism or something like that. It's probbaly what they need right now mate



ps I'll make sure you were supplied with enough effes to keep you going during the day.It will be thirsty work all that talking

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 16:32

Mark - message 4 - You are so right.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 16:53

OK Lets make a start.......Wheres all the cash going? It isnt spent on the roads! and it isnt on litter collection!



Now.... When we paid our Stamp Duty...the queue was round the block. Wads of it being handed over! People paying car tax, queueing around the block!



At 4.5YTL a pint there must be tax on that!....so I made my contribution!



Give me my PTP and Kocan, and I will gladly hand over another £8500!



So......Wheres it all going?



wyn



ils Your offer of free flowing endless Effes, does it for me. Wheres my handbag?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 16:55

well the uk is full of whinging brits and gordon brown took no notice

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 17:20

I'm with wyn. Where's it all going?

kyrenia007


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Posts: 88

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 17:52

With inflation up by 4.4% in the UK (highest since 1977 according to BBC News) I think most countries are at stretching point right now. On the flip side, I have seen a lot of investment in the KKTC recently, especially in the education sector. The new Faculty of Medicine at the Near East University for example.

littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 17:58

Crisis what crisis ..............



Now where did we here that before??

Chick-a-Dee


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Posts: 342

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 18:10

My idea of having a crisis, is not been able to get the cork out of the bottle ...

PtePike



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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 18:22

Re-unification here we come...if the GCs will have the north.

reproman


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Posts: 252

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 18:33

We have to keep this in prospective.



This isnt just a TRNC issue, altho the economic situation the TRNC has had to face over the last 40years does make the problem a whole lot worse.



The world is currently going through economic meltdown after a decade of living beyond peoples means.



With mighty nations such as UK, USA, Australia, Spain all on the brink of recession, what chance dose little old North Cyprus have to weather this global credit crunch.



This does not excuse any of the mis-managment of the Govenment, but then show me a Govenment anywhere right now that hasnt flushed their country down the drain!



In the UK we have a Labour gov that has been in power over a decade of record growth, house price boom etc and yet the first sign of economic struggle and we are broke? Where has all the money gone??





So to answer your question, is North cyprus in Crisis...the answer is a firm yes, along with the rest of world right now, and for at least the foreseeable future.



Repro

kyrenia007


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Posts: 88

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 18:37

If the GC's will have the North? They want the North alright. Deep down they just don't want the Turkish Cypriots or Turkish people (oops sorry I mean Turkish military) as part of the negotiation package - for god sake please get real.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 18:45

Sometimes there is a thin line between being a cynic and a conspiracy theorist.



I'm a cynic,... but,....



Funny how Turkey seems to have turned off the money taps and let massive rises in costs happen in TRNC just months before talks start.



Turkey has it's eye on EU membership, not on North Cyprus.



Surely they couldn't be 'softening up' North Cyprus prior to any vote?





Any Multinational could complete the water pipeline to NC in months, not years.



Surely Turkey are not delaying the pipeline to use it as a bargaining ploy, to offer water for all of Cyprus as part of a settlement?







Though that would be one Helluva bargaining ploy!!







rob (cynic)

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 19:40

Hi Guys,



Well first and foremost dont panic. Sounds like Dads Army! Talking of that, Pike, your comments as usual don't help. Pike on yer bike!



Turkey will cough up! 40 years of struggle, and lose it all at the last hurdle. No chance!

Breathing space will be given to allow a fair and amicable negotiated settlement. The GCs

deeply regret not signing up to Annan, and won't loose this opportunity, for a fair and reasonable settlement.



The biggest problem is the TCs. Years of being shunned by the International Community has as you so rightly say, left you on your knees. You have to be resolute and stand by your very noble principles. Your fight has been long and just, and you must stand fair square behind your leaders.The International community at last understands.



There is much value in The TRNC. In my own case £8500 if the PTP Office were livened up and then my Kocan could be issued. There are thousands like me just waiting. How many millions in uncollected tax, if tax collection was made more efficient?



Your destiny is now in your own hands. There is now greater understanding than there has ever been for the TCs cause. Mr Talat needs you to stand firm as you face this final hurdle.



My best wishes are with you, and I hope for no more than I have ever hoped for, and that is a Peaceful and fair settlement to the Cyprus problem. It is just that, a problem for the Cypriots TC and GC alike, and outside interference should be ignored.



Good luck!



wyn

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 20:08

Rob wrote -" Funny how Turkey seems to have turned off the money taps and let massive rises in costs happen in TRNC just months before talks start."

"Turkey has it's eye on EU membership, not on North Cyprus"



Interesting point Robnjo. Certainly this was not the point that both Erdogan and Gul were making at the anniversary celebrations recently. They both stated that the plight of the TC's comes before our aspirations of EU membership.



It has been believed that Turkey has been looking to turn off the money tap for some time now, but to do so just before the talks surely must be more than a coincidence. Talat must have been told of this ahead of time.

Being very very cynical and thinking the impossible, perhaps Turkey needs the money to redistribute it's troops to other zones off the island or to rehouse a number of settlers back in Turkey.



Sorry, I know these comments will offend, just building on Robnjo's comments

rtddci


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Posts: 842

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 21:30

Oh to be a fly on the wall in the various political offices. With Russia becoming aggresive both in Georgia and on the financial scene, along with flexing muscle re oil & gas, the military importance of Cyprus as a whole comes straight back to the fore.

Martin

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 22:37

hi guys

turkey will never turn its back on the kktc ,don,t kid yourselves ,they have been

tightening their budgets for years and too right,one day when the time is right

the t/cs will have to stand on their own two feet,and the time will come when the g/cs get off our backs .

prehaps you have missed how much inflation has risen everywhere,our own

british goverment has no money and is now spending our taxes before they even recieve it .

rtddci

why would the russia and georgia conflict have any military importance of cyprus as a whole,oil pipe runs right through the middle of turkey and is constantly blown up by terrorist and replaced by turkey .

eric

"if the g/cs will have the north ",make up your mind and stick to it ,last week

according to some of your posts the north was the greeks ,this is not a game

not for turkish cypriots . do you now believe that the greeks have a choice ,

shall we have the whole of cyprus or not ,prehaps they will vote on it

wake up matey your having a dream.

rtddci


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 22:42

Musin M

Why do you think there are so many military bases in Cyprus both north & south? Cyprus is a hugely important listening & observation post for the West including Turkey.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 22:54

rtddci

that was very relevant years ago ,however we can listen and observe from

anywhere now .







musin

rtddci


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 23:04

Musin

Fair point.

Martin

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 23:12

But I,m sure being pretty close to sensistive areas ,helps the reception

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 23:20

mark

msg 4

why do you think that time has suddenly run out and we only have one choice

thats to yield all to the greeks ,we have been in worse situations then this

trust me mark ,a lot worse.

anyhow do you reckon that the south is not feeling the pinch,i think you will find its all over the world.



regards musin

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 23:32

paul



sometimes they can even get channel 5

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/08/2008 23:33

Hi all,

Musin is correct in his last post re-feeling the pinch all over the world.Theres an old saying that states"america sneezes,and we all catch a cold".We are heading for a world reccession and things look bleak for ths next three years at least unfortunateley for th trnc this could be music to the greek cypriots,

Paul.

pilgrim



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Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 00:12

Musin,

Probably, but you wouldn,t bother watching much.

cheers

p

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 12:07

Wyn: "Pike on yer bike!"



Given your current predicaments in the TRNC, I don't think wisdom is your greatest virtue. Maybe you just don't like what you hear from me.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 12:10

MUSIN: "...the time will come when the g/cs get off our backs..."



A real problem in North London for the past 50 years, presumably?

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 12:19

This may not be well received, but is only a personal opinion,....



Turkey would be more than happy to lose the drain on resources and a major problem of EU inclusion, including the massive cost of maintaining a Military presence that is the TRNC. Turkey are already showing signs of their reluctance to continue pouring millions into a bottomless pit.



They have bigger fish to fry.



EU inclusion requires the meeting of certain Fiscal Parameters as well as social, human rights, libertarian and other issues.



I understand Israel is also keen on a water pipeline from Turkey. Cyprus is no longer a strategic requirement for EU or Western policy.



Turkey is!



As I posted recently, George Bush is pushing the EU to get on with Turkish inclusion.



If, within any resolution, Turkey removed it's military presence, with a massive reduction in Turkish costs, who exactly would we feel would 'invade'?



EU Greece or ROC forces? No chance!







Then we might all get PTP and our Kocans! We may lose our high interest YTL accounts and introducing the Euro will probably increase inflation overnight, as it has everywhere else,....





The future isn't what it used to be!



rob

girne 29


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 16:48

If Turkey wanted to pull out the troops she could have done so by now .Just done it , warned the south that Turkey is only 40 miles away and for the greeks not to step one foot over the border or next time wont stop there.

So it would appear that Turkey chooses to stay there for reasons other than protecting TRNC. and I cannot see those reasons being altered by the slim possibility that they will gain entry to EU as far away as 15 years from now.



Of course one of the main reasons might be political loss of face at home and problems with the right wing.







The crisis is much worse than elsewhere in europe where prices for electric have gone up by 20-30% to cover costs of buying the power.Here it has evidently doubled and tripled ,add that to the other taxes and costs that bare no relation to external costs but rather more to the bankruptcy due to short sightedness of previous years,Imagine having £2 billion just lying around in unsold property. Totally ineffectual talks to compete in the tourist trade.People are begging for their deeds and chance to pay due taxes.





I am sure Turkey must feel like parents who bail out there children in the hope that things will improve ,only only to find out the money gets wasted and the hand is held out again.



One solution would be for Turkey to send in there own adminitrators to oversee the civil service,plus same people who have done so well in building up the Turkish tourist industry.

While this I am sure would cause outrage in the south, it could be done with some sort of troop withdrawl as a sop.

As for the property taxes ,a decree could be issued that after PTP's have been granted the developer has say 2 months to hand over Kocan and purchaser then has same time to pay all taxes.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 16:58

Msg 34,



Turkey controls and runs north Cyprus so why shouldn't it fund the place as well? No borders in Cyprus, BTW.

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 17:17

girne29



good points, but if Turkey had withdrawn forces years ago, we would probably already have had a resolution, probably under some of the Anan terms, with ROC taking the upper (winning?) hand, to the dismay of Turks and TC's.



Turkish forces in NC and the pipeline are definitely 'aces' up the sleeve for an honourable resolution from a Turkish perspective.



It could also possibly speed up EU membership. It would also open the door for massive investment into Turkey prior to membership. It begs the question as to why KTHY and Tourism seem to be in hibernation. Do they know something? I bet Talat does!



Tesco, M&S, Santander and Barclays in NC next year anyone?





rob

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 17:22

Pvt Pike,



I have no current predicament in The TRNC. Perhaps that is a testament to my wisdom.

You are correct, I do not like to hear what you have to say. I prefer constructive dialogue!



wynyardman

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 17:58

ROBnJO,



An interesting posting.



I cannot see Turkey "pulling the financial rug" at the eleventh hour. Turning the screw a little maybe. If they wanted to reduce costs they could move out 20,000 troops from Cyprus, and all that would do is aid the peace process.



The 20,000 troops could possibly be better placed, at this time.



Wasn't the proposed water pipeline Turkey to Cyprus, and then onward to Israel?



I think a bizonal settlement and A United Cyprus Republic is possible.



Personally I would have an initial two seperate states agreement that allows both sides

to develop independantly with FULL International support (All embargoes lifted) with

a movement over say a five year period to A United Cyprus Republic.



An immediate 50% Turkish forces withdrawl back to the mainland, with a further 40% over the 5 year period.



The United Cyprus Republic would have a representative Government of both TC and GC interests, and be a full member of the EC.



That way both sides could be bought together moreso as equals. Full compensation at 74 prices for all dispossessed land and property, paid by the respective Governments.



Just my thoughts, thats all,



wynyardman

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 18:09

wyn



That's a reasonable scenario.



I think we're in a poker game where no-one wants to show their hand yet!





rob

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 18:12

msge 27



Hi Musin



Sorry I haven't answered your question and to the one on the thread titled 'poll'. I am not ignoring you mate, I am really busy at the moment with other stuff. If I get a chance I will answer.



best regards

Mark

girne 29


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 18:37

PtePike

message 35'' Turkey controls and runs north Cyprus so why shouldn't it fund the place as well? ''.



From the mess in TRNC it is obvious Turkey does NOT control the economy,and I imagine they are starting to get annoyed

Turkey only controls trnc same way London controlled N Ireland .The day to day politics, running of institutions and economy were locally run. At one time Stormont Govt was abolished and direct rule from Westminister had to take its place.

The funding by Turkey is done in much the same way as funding to Scotland is done post devolution.The level of money is agreed but how most of it is spent is decided by Scotland. which is my main point .As funder it would be better if Turkey sent a commission to investigate the situation ,figured out some sort of solution, and refused any more money unless Turkish advisors were allowed to administer it.



As to your border point ,I dont really care what its called ,so you call it what you want and I'll do the same.However much you dislike the north you must at least concede it is separate politically and therefore-



The Oxford Pocket Dictionary of Current English | Date: 2008



bor·der / ˈbôrdər/ • n. 1. a line separating two political or geographical areas, esp. countries:

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 19:20

hi guys

let me repeat what i said earlier turkey will never give up cyprus

=========================

anyone who thinks the cyprus is still one country think again ,two countries ,

two peoples ,two languages ,two religions,two goverments,two currencies,

one border.

long live the kktc

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:47

girne 29,



I think Turkey has a firmer grip on major decision making in the TRNC than is appreciated. The situation could be seen as similar to devolution because there is no recognised government in the north, but I think spending is tightly controlled on the basis of they won't be getting more if it is squandered (and the cutbacks have started). It's no coincidence that many TCs refer to the Turkish ambassador as "the governor".



As for the border word, yeah, a minor point. Although



The Oxford Pocket Dictionary of Current English | Date: 2008

bor·der / ˈbôrdər/ • n. 1. a line separating two political or geographical areas, esp. countries



Doesn't really apply on the "countries" basis because there is only one country in Cyprus.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:47

HOW Wrong can you get ??





two peoples



Turkish Cypriots



Greek Cypriots



Armenian



That I know of



two religions ???



Greek Orthodox 81%, Muslim 11%, Maronite, Armenian Apostolic 0.4%, and other 7.6% including Roman Catholic, Buddhist, Other Eastern Orthodox .



two languages ??



Greek , Turkish , English, Russian, Filippino, French !!!



one border ??



is that internal or external ??



A breakdown of people show



Ethnic groups

Greek Cypriot: 660,600 76.1%

Turkish Cypriot: 88,900 10.2%

Other:118,100 13.7% (2006 est.)

Largest Groups:

Greece: 36.790

United Kingdom: 25.823

Russia: 9.854

Philippines: 3.384

Poland: 3.682

Bulgaria: 2.931

USA: 2.600

Roumania: 2.503

Sri Lanka: 2.390

Slovakia: 2.380

Germany: 2.211

Syria: 1.974

Ukraine: 1.848

Serbia&Montenegro: 1.263

India: 1.246

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 21:51

nigel



no my friend two peoples ,the rest as you mention come and go .







musin

littlenige



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:02

Armenians & maronites I seem to think they have been here a long time

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:06

Nige,



Don't forget the Latins and their descendants. You have seen the size of my hooter, haven't you?

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:11

nigel

if thats how you look at it by the time you go back home you wont have one ,and that goes for pike to

littlenige



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:32

I am home musin.



My point was Armenians & maronites are to more peoples that live here and musins point that 2 people etc etc was invalid.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:41

nigel

you and i are both away from home ,lets not kid ourselves

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:46

Musin,



Actually you'll find only one of you are.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:46

Or is even.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 23:07

who asked you for a english lesson susanne, i mean eric

have you ever thought of going into teaching ,i thing you will make a good

one ,a teacher that is .

your certainly not much of a reporter ,reporters have to be honest.

Aussie


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Posts: 657

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 00:09

Back on the TRNC economy its interesting to see the Cyprus Mail was saying hotel in the ROC are 95% occupied for August despite complaints about how bad the tourist season is there as well.



From what I read/ hear in the TRNC the equivalent numbers are between 25-35% occupancy even less for non casino hotels.



Therefore you must assume some of the problems are unique to the TRNC in terms of flight costs and access and other issues.



Perhaps the TRNC could adopt a few measures to attract more tourists



1 subsidise or attract more low cost flights



2 Provide low cost transport from Ercan to tourist centres in Girne Nicosia etc. The south has put in a 5 euro shuttle bus which has attracted huge patronage withing days of starting. The TRNC should forget about pandering to TAXI drivers etc as many savi tourists hate using cabs and are very suspicious about overcharging due to bad experiences in many other countries eg Italy Turkey etc

etc. Airport charges and transport costs are really a direct add on to the ticket prices and impact of peoples decision on whether to return.



3 Clean up the beaches and other public areas and ensure free access to all beaches without harrassment. Given there efficiency in doing other jobs such as tree planting etc maybe the Turkish army (peace forces) could be used to do this at low cost.



4 Promote more of the local culture produce and food and historical palces of interest



I am sure there are a lot more things that this that can be done for tourism and much of the above would ultimately help the building industry as well by encouraging people to buy here as well.



Aussie

rtddci


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Message Posted:
14/08/2008 00:13

Aussie

All good points, unfortunately all cost money, something the TRNC government does'nt have (amongst a lot of other things like foresight, planning, expertise, willingness to tackle over employment in the civil service etc etc.

simma



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Posts: 346

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 00:23

hi aussie, most of your points are true but it's a bit of banging your head on a brick wall as far as this is concerned. also the cheap flight scenario is out of the trnc's hands as ercan is not classed as an international airport and cheap flights would only attract cheapskates which wouldn't be good for economy in the long run. i think they need a head of tourism who can promote the north side of the islands beauty and history. since we purchased in trnc i've become totaly caught up in both of these things.

john.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
14/08/2008 00:41

susanne

you are not real ,you are erics imaginary friend ,i used to have one ,but i was three at the time ,now get back in your box.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 00:47

Hi Aussie,



Hope you and your young lady are well.



First Class posting. I hope the TRNC Authorities are listening!



See you in September.



Julie and John

Aussie


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Posts: 657

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 01:08

Thanks John and Julie



We are both well and hope you finally have your builder on the ropes and deklivering by September as well.



Also thanks to Rtddci and Simma yes unfortunately doing something is always a lot harder than doing nothing but I remember a quote that the definition of stupid is doing the same things over and over and expecting to get a different result. This unfortunately is something the TRNC seems to do a lot.



In fairness to the TRNC its a small country with very limited resources and experience in managing these things effectively but it should nevertheless be open to outside ideas and changes. They definately need to reduce the size and costs of the public sector and provide encouragement for Cypriot and foreign businesses which face a lot of red tape and costs etc to make a more balanced economy.



Aussie

reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 14:02

"sound advice but can only work after reunification!! "



or



Recognition, lifted embargos and an end to economic isolation.



you are all expecting North Cyprus to be on par with other Mediterranean hotspots that have enjoyed decades of economic prosperity? come on.

We have been living on Handouts for 40years, im just grateful we have even got this far!



Being classed as an illegal unrcognised state has meant that North Cyprus has been run by a Gov unable to cope. Scandalous building Regulations and big time criminals treating the place like a play ground.



But compared to other countries, UK included, i dont think we have done too bad all things considered!



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reproman


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Message Posted:
14/08/2008 14:12

Aussie, excellent post.



Im sure a number of things could be done to improve tourism in the north.

And even those you suggested would probably end up paying for themselves in a short time.



What would you say is the number one problem keeping tourists from coming here? and therefore hotel occupancy low?



i would say its the lack of direct flights.



In this day of cheap low cost flights and people wanting to get somewhere quickly and cheaply. 5 plus hour flights and tickets alone starting at £300 is enough to put off many a tourist coming here in the first place.



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reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
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Message Posted:
14/08/2008 14:15

p.s. how long till i get my next star?????????? lol