GC's slowly losing it!!

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
15/09/2010 15:48

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/reprieve-coe-property-decision/20100915

BrightonJim


Joined: 27/07/2010
Posts: 145

Message Posted:
15/09/2010 16:29

I think the rest of Europe is getting tired of the same Greek/Greek Cypriot rant.

The same newspaper has an article entitled "Christofias: two sides not getting closer". It is an attempt to blame Turkey for the failure of the talks.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/09/2010 17:22

I don't think either 'side' can be 'proud' - but it wouldn't be wise to ASSume that no solution mean all will 'settle down' re property the is still owned by GCs.



I mean even 'safe' TR / Foreign title is now proving difficult for non Cypriots to get 'deeds' in 'TRNC' ...



Soon, such folks may start registering with the RoC Land Registry - it will only take one case from a Non-Cypriot with such deeds to take TR to the ECHR and win...

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
15/09/2010 17:24

I heard that the two sides are not getting any closer because of some chap called Eric.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
15/09/2010 18:01

mmmmmm/Msg 3: 'Soon, such folks may start registering with the RoC Land Registry - it will only take one case from a Non-Cypriot with such deeds to take TR to the ECHR and win...'



How could any individual afford the huge litigation costs to take TR to the EHCR; who would provide 'legal aid' for such a case?



Even if an attempt were to be made to do so, the plaintiff would be declared 'persona non grata' in TRNC and, if resident there, would be soon deported and consequently lose everything - a 'double whammy' for TRNC!

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
15/09/2010 18:34

RoC would, if it will benefit them.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
15/09/2010 23:28

message 3:



I'm surprised someone so well-informed on matters cypriot,

uses the word "solution" without explaining what he means by it



true you referred earlier to the twice-rejected annan compromise

being the only thing on the table but did not name the location of that table



solution also describes a contact lens soak to help one see more clearly,

but that may not be a good analogy for cyprus and your solution



the typical expat solution would allow his bungalow to double in value overnight,

while the greek cypriot's solution may see the expat turfed out of bed

...by a burly george michael lookalike holding a weapon



the tc solution could be simply to continue to live at peace and in freedom



but perhaps you really mean power-sharing like in northern ireland?

this was tried from 1960-1963 in cyprus, then disintegrated



I admit that I prefer to use the term "cyprus agreement"

and that is just a start, but ismet has doubts such a thing would survive long

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
16/09/2010 08:53

The GCs lost it a long time ago.

Re Msg 4: who is this "eric"?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
16/09/2010 11:33

re 5



>>How could any individual afford the huge litigation costs to take TR to the EHCR; who would provide 'legal aid' for such a case? <<



Class action?



>>Even if an attempt were to be made to do so, the plaintiff would be declared 'persona non grata' in TRNC and, if resident there, would be soon deported and consequently lose everything - a 'double whammy' for TRNC!<<



Hardly, going to 'discourage' anyone who has sunk everything into 'TRNC'... and wouldn't exactly sit well with the ECHR if plaintiffs get a 'hard time'

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
16/09/2010 12:49

I think it will be the economy that pushes the TRNC forward for a solution, nothing else.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
18/09/2010 00:27

message 3 mark-supplemental



you refer to a situation settling down and yet property still being owned by gc's



I am still in the dark about what you and some others really mean by a solution

since a return to their former houses would undercut any concept of "bizonalism"

...and without the right "sort" of solution, they ain't



you could of course say that we must wait and see what is the "outcome"

of the talks, remember that phrase from 44 "we wait with baited breath"?



the gullible and naiive have pined these two years for the fabled agreement

but at least not the 51 years turkey has striven to get into europe,

so there is some hope cyprus power-sharing could work if only in theory



there's a problem with statements about greek cypriot owners of the north:

some basic enforcibility or at least an effective means of gaining compensation



whoever's law fails to do what it says on the tin has a very limited shelf-life,

and afterwards you may find it's "gone-bad-law"

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
18/09/2010 09:34

mmmm/Msg 9: '...and wouldn't exactly sit well with the ECHR if plaintiffs get a 'hard time'...'



It certainly wouldn't sit well with me to lose the house I have paid in full for, for the principle of satisfying a few bods in the ECHR, who, let's face it, couldn't give a 'tinker's cuss' about my real pecuniary loss, should I win the case through class, or any other, action and subsequently be deported. From where would I seek compensation?



I have to be realistic, Mark!

blade


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Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
18/09/2010 15:20

From my personal point of view i don't see any non Tc having problems with getting those title deeds.

Rumor , speculation and gossip is the only proof.

I think M's idea is an excellent one, joint action in the south to get a kochan. After all it is the ECHR that still stand firm on the pre 1974 owner being the true owner. Hence if that owner legally sells that property to you, then you are the legal owner. As EU citizens it should make no difference if you are TC, GC or other to ownership. If you are denied possetion of that property apply to the correct department for compensation.



I did also have the thoughts on PTP, as we know you no longer need this in the south to buy property.

As an EU citizen you have the right to live and work in any EU country. Someone needs to clarify this with the EU as to how people stand here. We all know its outside of their scope , but whilst they still provide EU funding and are talking about free trade ect , its a point which should be made.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
18/09/2010 16:46

If the TRNC is technically part of the EU, then technically EU citizens do not need a residency permit or permission to buy.



Perhaps some brave sole could argue that with the government.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
18/09/2010 23:45

message 13:



yes blade, but there is the small question of sovereignty

while the trnc may be a sovereign state it is beholden to turkey for finance and protection

and its status is mostly unrecognised internationaly, many tc are oblidged to apply for roc passports

...the south wanted to put famagusta under eu control and were surprised at the rejection

finally, troodo though the trnc is theoretically within the eu, it is outside its tax and legal framework



and blade: how firmly does the ECHR really stand on legal "ownership" when

a) it seems to have abandoned any attempt to "enforce" it and

b) for the first time, in march, the court conceded present occupiers have "rights" too



an unenforcable law is bad law



andre

blade


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Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
19/09/2010 13:41

I agree Andre the ECHR does need to clarify where it truely stands because it has contradicted itself with two different cases. Who is the priority here, the owner or the occupier? I would say the owner who had it taken from them, but then we have to take into account the rights of those who purchased something knowing ,the person selling wasn't the true owner. I think not. If they want to get real it has to be the origonal owner comes first.

As you said many TC's have to apply for Roc passports. The trouble is i see far too many people playing both sides for their own gain. I was reliably told this week about how many TC's also go to the Roc and apply for benefits.

I think both sides are more integrated than they would like to let on. Hopefully they can come to some kind of agreement over property and move forward.