SPAM from TRNC Estate Agents

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 17:02

Spam Emails have been sent from Buzzy Bees Estate Agents today.



My Email address from probably sent from the details on my profile.



If I ever considered doing ANY business with these people, I will no longer be doing so.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 17:18

Have they done this intentially?

Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 19:00

Dear Timothy and all



We wish to apologise for any upset caused.



I did not even know Mr Cadman was a member on this board until logging on today, and would certainly never e mail members from any information on here, now, or at any time in the future.



Over the past couple of years we have had various people working on our behalf and getting leads from interested parties looking at buying in Noth Cyprus, and the message sent to Timothy was a standard introduction letter introducing the Bogaz and Karpaz areas and no offence was intended. His e mail details are among many that we have on our database from information collected in the past.



Up until now we have had no complaints about our agency, and would like to once again apologise.



Maria Jerome

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 22:05

Although I rate Busy Bees, I think allowing commercial enterprise to post on informal information exchange websites as this, actually devalues the integrity of the site.

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 22:38

Pilgrim

I agree.

Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 23:05

Dear All



Thank you for your comments.



As mentioned in many previous postings, we are a small family run Agency in Bogaz. We intend for any postings to be informative and helpful, and are doing our best to promote our lovely side of the Island. We are here for any informations required, and are more than happy to assist anyone with any subject regarding North Cyprus. We are not well known in the Kyrenia area, but for those that have had contact with us I am positive that you have found our information both helpful and imformative.



Estate Agents world wide generally are tarred with the same brush....I just want to say that our Agency wants to make an honest living for its customers and its staff.



I myself came here to live over 6 years ago. I am married to a local Cypriot, who is a shepherd, I love this country and enjoy showing people everything it has to offer.



I enjoy my work, and running my business, but do not wish to offend anyone in any manner. Therefore if it is felt that by my advertising on this board is not welcome, I will not do so.



Thank you for reading my post.



Maria Camilla Jerome

colly


Joined: 31/07/2008
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 01:11

My opinion is that if a company is named then it is correct that they have the right to reply.

Col

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 01:59

Hi All,



The lady made her point and appologised if there had been an error of judgement. Surely no

one could ask for more. I think the appology should be accepted in the spirit in which it was given.



Just my opinion



wynyardman

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 03:11

I accept the apology. Matter Closed.

Wireless


Joined: 10/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 07:44

grow up - it was an email - did'nt like it? hit the delete key and get on with your life



Busy Bee's promote on!

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 07:44

I only wish the rest of the estate agents who made " errors " of judgement had the guts to apologise.



WELL DONE BUSY BEES.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 09:04

It is a fine line between advertising and giving information. I try to avoid advertising but when a subject about voltage surges and so on appear, I try to do my best to inform people about the nature of the problem and how to overcome it. That naturally leads to some questions and my honest replies can be contstrued as advertising although that is not the intention. In most cases it is really a matter of common sense and not rigid rules

ismet

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 09:25

Well said ismet - common sense prevails.



Cooper

mountbatten


Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 09:43

I have been exchanging emails with Marie Jerome now for some weeks,i have found her to be a very professionel decent lady.

I find it very useful when someone comes on this forum with something to sell.

I do hope that Marie is welcomed on this forum.

So please everyone,ask her to continue.

I do respect Pilgrim & rtddci views.

Is it really such a bad thing to try and earn a living.

Come on,make someone happy

rosie123


Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 10:00

I back Mountbatten,i myself have found it very helpful when busy bees have a property for sale,i hope Marie is made too feel welcome on this forum.



Rosie

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 10:37

Would Marie Jarome of Busy Bees please continue selling her wares on this forum

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 12:57

Carry on !!



MC

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 13:20

I'm more than happy to read posts from businesses on here. They are usually very informative. Carry on Maria et al!



Problems only arise when businesses try using members email for spamming.



That should get them a Yellow Card from the 'Management'!



rob

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 17:09

There are ample opportunities for businesses to advertise elsewhere. If a specific question is asked and a business replies, fair enough. If that business was less than honest I'm sure another member would point that out. Do we want numerous advertising threads on this forum? How long would it be before it lost it's usefulness and neautrality and we lose members? How many newcomers would wade through a host of advertising threads?

Martin

mountbatten


Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 17:17

Nice to see some have welcomed Maria Jerome

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 18:32

I agree with Martin. Advice from companies in answer to direct questions posted is fine. There are several I know who have been doing it for years on TRNC BB's, apart from Ismet who is always honest and tries to word his answers carefully. TRNC Vaughan is another who always chips in when queries about pools etc and Flight Holiday, Tom who is amazing with the holidays and flights.



However direct advertising from companies will put people off and should be avoided.



TC was correct to raise the issue of the thread, even if he has probably had dealing directly or otherwise with the company in the past. There was another case recently where it appeared someone had used e-mail addresses taken from this site.



Maybe Maria will find time to answer some of the buying and selling issues that come up rom time to time.

Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 19:57

Hello all,



Thank you all for your kind comments and support.



Firstly, I replied to this thread as we had not taken nor ever have details from this board or any other to contact clients. This matter would appear to have been cleared up, for which I am very thankful to Timothy.



The thread has then changed direction and advertising is now being discussed.



There seems to be a mixed attitude towards this, and as mentioned before, we do not wish to offend anyone.



Our Company, amongst others, pay for the opportunity of advertising on the home page, whereby anyone that may be interested in property can view ours and others websites.



As no doubt there are people looking at this and other boards that may be considering moving to North Cyprus, maybe it would suit everyone if Agents and Developers who pay for the privalidge of advertising, from time to time, advertise any good deals that they may have that could be of interest to the public in general? Quite often people go straight to the forums, and do not necessarily see our adverts, and information given from time to time may be helpful.



I agree totally that forums should not be overun with advertising, but clearly some are in favour of occassional advertising. We have never posted advert after advert, just the occasional, what we consider, to be a good offer.



I appreciate not all can be pleased, and am trying to find a happy medium!



I do not wish to fall out with anyone, and once again thank all those that have supported us. and would welcome anyone who is living in North Cyprus or indeed visiting, to visit us at our offices anytime for a coffee and biscuit. We welcome all into our office, whether you live here already or are just on holiday. We are happy as I said before to give information to anyone that may be of help. This is not sales talk, and for anyone that knows me, they will back me up. Unfortunately, I do not know many in the Kyrenia area, so you will have to take my word as my bond.



Please, let us all enjoy this lovely part of the world, and not argue with each other, we must all have this in common or we would not be on this board!!!!



Kindest Regards to Everyone



Maria Jerome

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:02

Maria



"... visit us at our offices anytime for a coffee and biscuit."









What??,....... Just the ONE biscuit???







rob

Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:30

Let me "digest" that and maybe we could offer the" full packet", but times are hard, so we don't want to see our Company "crumble!"



Yes, I am "crackers".



Good night all and thanks again for all posts.

edmund


Joined: 05/02/2008
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:34

Does no-one else see the irony of this thread?



I agree that unsolicited e-mail contact of members should be frowned upon, but if you navigate anywhere on this website away from the Forum you will be assailed by advertising.



Do you really believe that the originator of the forum set it up out of the goodness of their heart? Or perhaps they did it as a very savvy way of ensuring that a regular stream of visitors make repeated hits on their travel and tourism website. How many hits per day do you think Cyprus44.com would get if we all didn't log on to read the forum?



I am not knocking the management of this website, in fact what they have done works.

If you type 'North Cyprus Forums' into google then this site is ranked #3 on the first page of results, and when you click on that, it takes you to the travel and tourism website, so it is an excellent marketing tool, just let's not get too precious about any advertising which appears.

mountbatten


Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:39

Maria Jerome,just as i exspected,a very professional reply.

Myself and friends hope to take you up on your offer of a cuppa and biscuits in the near future,could you please make mine tea.

ROBnJO,the biscuits are Cyprus specials,they weigh 2lb and are 12"x12"

mountbatten


Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:54

edmund,very good post

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 21:45

I must say some of the estate agents these days are pretty fit looking.

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 23:20

However 'nice' an estate agent or anyone else in business may be, as Maria points out she pays to advertise on the pages set up for that purpose and are easily found via an internet saerch. However well intentioned she may be, how many more adverts (from any business) would suddenly become 'good deals' or 'could be of interest to the general public'?

Martin

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 00:23

Noticable that selling in various guises of products services events and venues form a major content of threads now. jurys out!

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 09:29

Looking forward to some great offers from Busy Bees

ianwfs


Joined: 08/01/2008
Posts: 563

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 09:56

There is no doubt that this BB is run as a commercial venture. (And run very well). The last figures published shows nearly 350,000 page views every month, and the cost of advertising and the number of adverts reflect this.



Bear in mind that the majority of these page views will be on the BB. Therfore the BB is the seed money to the revenue source. Ask yourself how many page views are there without the BB. How much would the advertising charge have to be reduced to reflect this reduction in page views? Without the BB, how much would the click-through revenue be reduced by.



We have all joined a commercial board, and while I totally disagree with collecting our email addresses for spamming purposes, do you honestly not think that a good number of advertisers are able to collect statistics on who visited their sites and where they come from? This opens up the possibility of "junk mail" of one sort or another, and is a risk we must all accept if we join this board.



Ian