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Ann88


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You may have noticed that North Cyprus mains water has an extremely high Limescale content .



The damage this causes is far reaching which you will undoubtedly recognise ,



Faulty heating elements in washing machines,



Clogged up shower heads and pipes reducing water pressure,



Not to mention the deposits left on clothes after they have been washed and crockery , cuttlery and glasses.



Not particularly good for skin allergys either !or the skin and hair in general.







Fully fitted water filters for 220 this is just a fraction of what you will save in the long run on electricity and appliance maintenance over the years.







call 0533 8413116



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Hi Ann



Are these REAL water softeners - fitted to the rising main - by-passing the drinking water - that REALLY soften the water ..and not just something that reduces scale?



Do you have link to view your range?



woody


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would also be interested in your range I have water filter system fitted by carrington it would be handy to know who else stocks refills for this system



Handan


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27/09/2010 14:38

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Hi Ann i will email you details they filter the grit and dirt first etc and then soften the water its a 2 part system fitted before the mains enter the property i will email you full details can i have your email address please thanks



Handan


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27/09/2010 14:39

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Hi woody yes it is the Nocalc system that i supply so can, restock what parts are you after?



flightholiday


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Hi Handan,



Can I ask what expertise you have in water conditioning, filtration and sanitation as you seem to have bypassed Marks question in msg 2 about regenerative softeners.

Is your system purely based on filtration or are you also using polyphosphate dosing?

Is your system suitable to borehole & well water too?

What prices are you charging for the filters and what recommendation are you making with regard to frequency of replacement.



Ann88


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Hi Flight holiay?? and thank you for your observations. I am no expert by anystandard nor claim to be.

However have the technical info you require.



The system is 2 step it has a pre filter and also second step using polyphosphate dosing! which has been

designed and used here in North Cyprus to arrive at the dosage now supplied in the cartridge as you well know the water is far harsher here than in most parts of Europe.



i wil email you a more technical diagram if you require?

As for Borhole and well water yes it can be used for this as the Pre filter is designed to remove the sediment etc before arriving at the softener however if you are using it for this i would suggest purchasing an extra filter as it will need cleaning out regularly if using water from a well or borhole. This way once you remove the filter to clean it, you can simply replace it with the spare in order not to have the water supply switched off for pre longed periods . Price for the system fitted



Ann88


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Hi Flight holiday ran out of space !! price fitted is 220 as long as there is no issues with the pipework which in general does not seem to be an issue however if it is a concern we can look at it before hand.



With regard of frequency of replacement would suggest you check the dosage cartridge monthly however the usage is approx 35,000 litres per cartridge . Very visale when it needs changing Hope this helps satisfy your questions



zerochlor


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What is the price of a new cartridge please,and will you be carrying plenty of stock?



andrew4232



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so is this system for general use or not for drinking/cooking use?



Cyprusquest


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Ann88 and Handan seem to be the same person or they speak with forked tongue. Ive looked at the nocalc website and at the product information. Andrew4232, flightholiday, mmmmmm and all - look at it and you will see if it looks a quality site or a product with full backing.



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Cyprusquest



I found this site as a comparison - I know b'all about these type of 'water softeners' - I've had more dealings with the brine solution back wash systems.. I've used this company since they were formed in 1982



http://www.avonsoft.com/mistral.htm



It would appear that the system we all talking about merely acts asa lime scale inhibitor and does not actually soften the water



http://yaph.co.uk/limescale/NoCalc/



>>I understand it phosphor-dosing systems inhibit limescale from precipitating out when water is heated but does not remove the calcium salts from the water or change them into equivalent sodium salts as water softeners do, so when treated water evaporates the calcium salts are still left behind as deposits on taps, shower heads, tiles etc. <<



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Andrew



True water softeners that really soften water should not soften drinking / cooking water



>> It is accepted that the majority of people can drink artificially softened water with no adverse effect.



However, there are two groups of people who we would recommend do not drink artificially softened water.



Namely, bottle fed babies (powdered milk already has its maximum concentration of sodium) and anybody on a low sodium diet.



The BEWA Code of Practice also requires that, for all new water softener installations and wherever else reasonably practicable, a pipe leading to a mains water tap for an un-softened supply should be used for a hard water drinking supply.<<



http://www.kcpwater.co.uk/htm/home/questions.htm



flightholiday


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mmmmmm Msg 12 & 13 -

1] Yes to most of what you say but do look at our site http://www.softcleanwater.co.uk where we feature some of the best suppliers from the UK and the world. We can also supply light commercial to industrial quality equipment for water treatment.

2] Conventional softeners are best used where these is consistent supplies and pressure (not always the case in the TRNC)

3] The original writer seems not to know about the need for UV or RO treatment of well water or bore-hole supplies. I would steer well clear unless one wants to suffer the risks of poor quality possibly unclean or contaminated water



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Hi Tom



Thanks for responding... I need to be clear.. *I* don't sell water softeners or any form of water treatment .. my experience was relating to the hotel/ catering industry and their requirements re protecting equipment and simply making baths/ sinks/ taps look cleaner !



re 2/ - if a conventional softener is used on a rising main, with a header tank and a pressure pump, wouldn't that get around the erratic pressures of CY supplied mains water ?



CarrieRBag



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29/09/2010 09:55

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Is this not the same product that ZeroChlor is offering?



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Hi CarrieRBag



are you referring to Tom's ( Flightholiday's) site...?



If so - I can see many solutions listed - it would appear that he has a similar product range here:



http://softcleanwater.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=34_37



flightholiday


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Hi Mark

Msg 15 - I started my working life in that industry and you have reminded me how much troiuble was taken about dishwashers etc so that the glass etc would come out streak and mark free. Then many years later I was involved in building, sanitation, domestic light comercial water and the decorative side of those industries.

Your suggested solution to the problem would also need storage of water at or below ground level which might mean that people would break the regulations about the volume stored per property. One other point is how do you suggest getting rid of the saline solution that is created when the resin is flushed during regeneration?

Msg 17 - thanks for the referal



Chegwin


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Would hanging a Muslin bag full of dishwasher salt in the cold water tank soften the water?



zerochlor


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message 18



flightholiday



if any customers wanted your product.



how do they get them? do you already have stock in north cyprus,new filters ect ect?



Or would they have to be orderd by the customer to a UK address?



Pugwash


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CarrieRbag I am confused too now!



Ann88 can you comment further please? are you a company here?



flightholiday


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29/09/2010 18:16

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Zerochlor Msg 20 -

We have one builders Merchant in Lapta who carries some product.

We can arrange to have quantities sent over.

The most common way is for the goods to be sent to a UK address and then they are carried over by the property owner or their guests. The goods are generaly reasonably light and compact so should not be a great inconvenience. We do try to sell in two's as for most renewables they have a 3 to 6 month life* and we give greater discount when a purchase is two or more of the same unit. *This should mean that replacements will come over in good time for most clients.

You will find most of this information at http://www.softcleanwater.co.uk

By the way on all and any imports you are expected to declare them to customs and pay local duties



zerochlor


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i think what you have to sell and what is being sold here is more or else the same, portable and fixed water filters.

The only diffrence is that these are here on hand and ready to be fitted and for sale and also spares here ready.



flightholiday


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Msg 23 - If your comment was aimed at IAH SoftCleanWater

1] The price in the UK is usualy much better like for like plus we know that often what is sold in Cyprus (both sides) is not the real item but a cloned import.

2] The expertise is also here. We are not just selling a product because someone hopes to see a space in the market. (I have seen at least five people try to sell similar products in the TRNC who no longer do so in as many years but IAH is still here.)

3] The backup from some huge companies is available through SCW.

4] What we sell is not just a product that is rebadged or rebranded but is delivered from the manufacturer or their agent directly

5] When I have had checks run on TRNC sold RO units etc the comment normally is "not a provable supply chain probably "made in Taiwan" without proper quality control etc" and I can't say I would want to use them or sell that quality of product.

6] We can provide domestic & industrial needs even large scale inc. desalination



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29/09/2010 20:13

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re 18 Tom



As the regenerating w/softeners soften water as it passes through - not much of a header is needed, surely?



As for what happens to the back-flushed brine soln - I don't know ! What are the regs in 'TRNC' ?!



I wasn't aware posting an example was a 'referral'... ! :o



Ruaradean ?!! - who DID kill those Bears ;) ?



http://www.edwardhunt.info/whokilledthebears.htm



flightholiday


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Mark Msg 25 - Re Msg 17 / 18 I was being coy and thanking you for reminding the good members of Cyprus 44 of the breadth of options on the our web site at http://www.softcleanwater.co.uk rather like the many travel options to be found on http://www.flightholiday.co.uk



I am not a Ruardean man but one from Ruardean Woodside we are a hamlet higher up the hill and do not get involved with bear's mind you we do see the occasional wild boar here as well as badgers sheep.



Msg 25 With regard to the header I would assume as most units are designed for UK (or similar) mains that they would need around 2 bar pressure (many would quote a minimm of 1.7)

I have no idea about the back-flush either not too good for the garden or the cess pit though.



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Tom..



re the referral - I was 'ribbing' you.. my bad for not being clear ! ;)



Take care, 'old butt' !



zerochlor


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message 24.



As you know or do not know,zerochlor is engaged in promoting green products,healthy products,products good for the surroundings.



As your answer in message 22 says,most people would order in england to a british address and then carry them across in a suit case,thats no use if i want 1 yesterday,thats no good to me if it is not working once ive got it here from england, and i need to exchange it,then what,we know the unit that we have here works,it is not a cloned copy of your device or any other device,but as any sensible person knows,90% of the worlds good are made in the back workshop of the world,china,regardless,there are diffrent qualities,most or all of 6ms satalite recievers are made in china,noting wrong with tiawan or china,as for desalination plants,i have access to every size possible,@ a price more competative than any1 else,same as with my zerochlor product,price untouchable.

im selling a water filtration device,not softerner,water will feel softer.



zerochlor


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Tom.



have you ever sold a flight to a customer for easyjet?



flightholiday


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Zerochlor Msg 29 - Yes and Helios also Go before they were sold to EasyJet by BA.



zerochlor


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grundig or sony



which would you buy?



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As you asked...Sony.. Grundig is a former brand bought by the Turkish firm Beko ;)



flightholiday


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You say that your product is cheaper at GBP 220.00 for the first installed units can you please tell me what changes might be required over year one and what the total cost would be during the first year?

As you know most competent handymen can install these units. (Though an experienced qualified, professional plumber would always be my preference.)

Grundig/Sony - I am not into your cryptic clues so please talk simple to simple folk like me.

NB If you were of my age then you would know that Grundig in it's time was amongst the best in the world and also you would know that Sony are not what they used to be either. Maybe it's horses for courses?



By the way are you saying that we are not "promoting green products,healthy products,products good for the surroundings"? If so please explain where you get that idea from or are you just trying to score points which will not wash with me or other Cyprus44 members



flightholiday


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Zerochlor - as per my reply to your rather offensive postings on the other current thread on water softening please note - I am not interested in your trying to get into a battle so please for both of us "back off".



Chegwin


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Going back to my post #19.

If it is recommended for softening water in dishwashers, would hanging a Muslin bag full of dishwasher salt in the cold water tank soften the water?

Or indeed, just a bag of plain old rock salt.

Chegs



zerochlor


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Message 34



Tom.

what was offensive?



Asking for a answer.



is this what people resort too when they are not forthwit with a answer,or have no answer,YOUR REPLY WAS OFFENSIVE, what a load of bollox.



Show the forum what you think was offensive.



you asked a question,i answerd it,and i asked you a question,you want to act pompus,ok,but youll need to enter the real world some day!!





message 19 and 35



if im honest,ive no idea if a muslin bag of salt will help with your issue.



Also Tom,im also not interested in getting into computer battles,your replies held many innuendos,double meanings.

Talk straight,dont go shopping round the island!



As for the both of us and back off comment,if i remember rightly,you and 6ms started the interagation.

whats this,whats that,its all in the website if you wish to know,as i said,some have diffrent agendas.



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