Eroglu’s agrees that 15 per cent of the north could be GC !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/09/2010 14:44

This one seems to have passed most folk ( including me) by ..



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/opinions/eroglu-missed-chance-make-fools-us/20100926

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
28/09/2010 14:46

Read this a few days ago. A great chance to call the GC bluff. Just how many GCs would want to move North?

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
28/09/2010 14:48

Widely reported 6xm's



It does not say 15% of the north would be GC but that 15% of the population could be GC if they decided to return, quite different I think. Of course the Cyprus Mail ridicules this as not feasible.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
28/09/2010 22:03

ok guys , how many of these murdering bxxxxxxs would really return to the north , all singing and dancing , would be like a flute band sailing down the liffey on a barge playing the sash , answers as always on the back of a stamp . LMAO.

eastendjoker


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 00:54

A flute band sailing down the liffey ! now that would be a site to behold !

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 07:49

Rowlo



How many of these were murdering b******s ? A very small proportion of the GC population were responsible for the atrocities that you allude to, just as only a very small proportion of TC's did likewise.



A one sided view is not healthy my friend



Paul

LadyVelda


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 11:34

And just like in Germany, the rest of the GC's looked on and did nothing.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 11:44

re 7



Can you be precise as to what you mean, please ?.. PLENTY of GCs died in early July 74 trying to ensure fascists thugs didn't take control of the island to bring it undr control of a Greek military Junta - they failed - and their reward?.. getting turfed out of their homes by the TR army..



Have some folks ANY idea of how the arrival of TR's army managed to achieve a MIRACLE by 'uniting' folks who had been shooting at EACH OTHER days before...

twaddle


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 11:56

I am suprised by the statement that there were only 3000 GCs who were expelled from Kyrenia in 1974, yet there are now around 50000 people resident in the town now. 3000 people is only the size of a village, not a major town / City. Bearing in mind that approx 160000 GCs went south it seems a rather small estimate.

Does anyone know if this is just referring to the actual town area or the entire Kyrenia (Girne) electoral area??

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 11:58

LadyVelda



And many TC's did likewise.



Lets all remember that it was minorities on both sides that committed the atrocities that are so often used on this and other forums to demonise both sides of the divide. Both sides had paramilitary organisations that were bent on achieving nationalistic aims (EOKA- Enosis and the TMT -Taksim) and in pursuit of these aims murdered not only people from the 'other' side but plenty of their own too. I am afraid that neither side comes out with any particular moral victory.



Just my opinion of course



Paul

LadyVelda


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 12:25

Paul. Do you make this up as you go along?

Glynn


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 12:27

UN figures now show that 74.87% of statistics are bogus.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 12:29

like twaddle I thought the article was twaddle and the statement that only 3000 GCs used to live in Kyrenia totally preposterous

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 12:35

Sorry LadyVelda, what am I supposed to have 'made up' ??



The fact that both sides committed 'atrocities' or the existence of aims of EOKA and the TMT ???



There are plenty of reference articles out there if you just want to Google them



I am just trying to take a balanced view.



Regards



Paul

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 12:45

This is drifting off-thread, folks!

LadyVelda


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 12:49

Sorry Paul, I can't enlighten you at the present time as I am in London for the rally on the 3rd of October for the TRNC. I will try to catch up with you when I return on the 4th.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 12:53

The GCs had always been a minority in Kyrenia! Kyrenia had a large TC population going back to Ottoman times and eventually became the most cosmopolitan town in Cyprus with almost a dozen different foreign nationaity members residing.



Hence that is why there has always been ye old "Turk Mahellesi" (Turkish district) right at the centre - that was owned and populated by TCs since before the days of republic - and no "Greek district" as such...

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 13:06

Vaughan



Sorry



Velda - Look forward to it



Paul

LadyVelda


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 13:13

In the meantime Paul ponder on Big Oz's message and wonder how the GC's can claim 90% of the North.

blade


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 13:20

RE message 9.

Twaddle ,the boundries between Kyrenia/ Girne and Lefkosa changed about two years ago. Girne became a smaller area than it was pre 1974. If that helps?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 13:34

ANYWAY.. back on topic..



should folks have a problem with a limited amount of GCs living in Kyrenia / Girne ? Are they more worried about WHERE they'd be asking to live ?

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 13:42

I think the concern is more that the GCs who might want their property back are doing it for maximum disruption and a degree of revenge. Having repossessed their property and had the present occupiers displaced, they might then simply sell the property. Whilst one might say they can do what they want with their property, if it is just money they are after, with no intention of living in the property, I'm sure the present occupiers would be happier if they took adequate compensation.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 13:45

lady velda you are going to be pretty alone on the 3rd oct , the demo is on the 4th....

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 14:52

LadyVelda



No pondering required, I have no reason to doubt BigOz's statement. However, the fact that Kyrenia had a largely TC population doesn't necessarily mean that pre 74, the rest of the North was not largely inhabited by GC's. The fact that there is so little pre 74 Turkish title property as opposed to esdeger/exchange title should give you a clue.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethnographic-1.jpg



What this has to to do with my original post I don't quite see and I apologise again for drifting (slightly) off topic.



Regards



Paul

LadyVelda


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 19:32

APC. The demo for the TRNC is on the 3rd, But I SUSPECT THIS WOULD NOT INTEREST YOU.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 19:36

Kyrenia / Girne DIDN'T have a largely TC population pre -74



..

Glynn


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 19:37

"APC. The demo for the TRNC is on the 3rd, But I SUSPECT THIS WOULD NOT INTEREST YOU"



I have a strange feeling Lady Velda may be right. Our very own Armoured Personnel Carrier may have crashed!!

ScubaBoy9


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 19:57

According to figures on http://www.peace-cyprus.org/VillagersMeeting/mixedvillagepop.pdf



Kyrenia GC 2802 TC 696

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 20:16

So that would make them 20% of the population.....

twaddle


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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 20:38

So in 1960, the total number of GCs living in Kyrenia district stood at 8598 which means that virtually all could return (if they were still all living) and it would only just exceed the 15% talked about.

The problem is that all childeren and grandchildren of the original refugees are now given the refugee label and expect to be able to return to their ancestral land. The post 1974 refugees is the issue that needs to be sorted out!

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
29/09/2010 20:59

yawn yawn yawn it aint gonna happen

dippersgirl



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Message Posted:
01/10/2010 12:10

message 6 - hear hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

blade


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Message Posted:
01/10/2010 13:37

Well said Mark in message 29.

The outlying villages behind Girne ,were where the TC's were mainly lived pre74.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
01/10/2010 14:53

Ladyvelda



'And just like in Germany, the rest of the GC's looked on and did nothing.'







As you would have done,if it meant you being taken away,and in some cases in Germany,your family?

How heroic would you have been under the same circumstances,probably pissed yourself and kept quiet like most of us.



A french resistance leader commented that from 1940 -44 there were 36,000 resistance fighters but after 1944 when the Germans left, there were 36 million supposedly in the resistance.