British Aid Worker Linda Norgrove 36

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 02:37

Fatally wounded during the attempted release from captors in Afghanistan.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 02:38

The killing of a women by which book or shagass bible ?

' The vermin of anti-humanitarian existance must continue to endure recoil as they fester' even when they cower.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 15:28

It has now been reported by the BBC that she may have been accidentally killed by a US forces grenade. Her rescuers!



Chris

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 15:31

Sorry forgot to add the link.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11514210



Chris

mamachina


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 15:34

Its called "friendly fire".????

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:23

It is worth remembering that however she was killed, the men who tried to rescue her were willing to risk their own lives in order to help someone that they had never met. I am absolutely certain that they will be devastated if it turns out to be a case of 'friendly fire'.



Had the insurgents not kidnapped her in the first place, we wouldn't be in this very sad position. She was an unarmed aid worker, trying to help the poorest of the poor and hardly a threat to the Taleban !! Unless of course, trying to bring Afghanistan out of the stone age can be deemed a threat.



Just my opinion of course.



Paul

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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:28

paul since the taliban have been "removed" the opium/heroin producyion has gone through the roof ......

why the british army is still there is beyond me ..................



just my opinion of course.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:30

not just my opinion it seems..............



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4022197.stm

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:33

Well stated paul, If I had been in her position I like to think I would have wanted a rescue attempt even though it has risks as we can see, may she truly RIP.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:40

she was blown up by an american grenade , at the time the locals were asking for more time to negotiate , the others were released ...without force ..











Show a bit of respect for god sake , there was no need for that offensive remark .

Simbas

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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:48

No apc2010 as you are well aware it means "Rest In Peace' she was a brave lady, the issue of whether foreign troops should be there is another issue.

simbas



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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:56

Msg 10 edited for reason given

Simbas

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:56

Thank you simbas very sensible moderation.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:59

sorry if you found that distastefull maybe this from a nation uk newspaper is better ............





http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/aug/10/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-statistics

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 17:10

paul, although any death is sad she was a paid employee , who went knowing the risks .....

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 17:12

Are you sure apc2010? it was said on the BBC this morning she was a volunteer?

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 17:14

I have looked and see what you are saying apc2010, however this does not sound like someone who is a "mercenary' does it?



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8053274/Murdered-aid-worker-Linda-Norgrove-dedicated-life-to-helping-worlds-poor.html

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 17:15

she was paid...........



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/09/linda-norgrove-abducted-b_n_756846.html

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 17:16

Norgrove worked for Development Alternatives Inc., a global consulting company based in the Washington, D.C., area

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 17:21

what point did i say "mercenary' , if you get paid to do a job and you know the risks it is different ....



i for one stay away from war zones , just a personal choice....

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 17:59

Apc



Paid or not, she was there to help people who are unable to help themselves. Yes, I am sure that she was aware of the risks, which in my eyes makes her an extremely brave lady.



As for the civilian casualty figures, interesting to see that four fifths of the civilians killed were killed by the Taleban or other anti-government forces. Number of civilians killed by coalition forces was down by 30%.



It has not yet been proven that she was killed by an american grenade. The captives who were released were (I believe) Afghani nationals and would have held little or no 'bargaining power'.



Have done my fair share of time in war zones



Paul

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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 18:05

cameroon seems to think is was friendly fire......



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/11/linda-norgrove-williamhague

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 18:18

paul acorrding to tenakoutou you still live in a war zone ...he/she quotes



"the Orams claim compensation from IPC - after all, they lost their house due to an ongoing war dispute"

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 18:20

Thank you paul a very sensible post.

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 19:30

Apc



The Guardian report is not accurate. If you actually watch the interview given by Cameron, you will see that he talks of the US military informing his office that more information has come to light and that she MAY have been killed by a US grenade, he at no point confirms one way or the other.. In the end, it is all semantics, the poor lady is dead and regardless of who is ultimately'responsible', it will not bring her back.



Paul

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 01:49

please take this up with the guardian or the internet it was the most recent post(39mins) after you posted ..

my point was more with the "mods" for being edited for the facts .....not with you paul ......



but you know this ,........

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 07:26

Apc



Agreed, no axe to grind with you either. Our opinions differ which is what debate is all about



I too wish that the Brit armed forces were not in Afghanistan either, but we are where we are and an immediate withdrawal would only make things worse. It would also mean that all those people who have given their lives in trying to improve things over there would have done so in vain - I have lost 9 friends there in the past 3 years. There will not be a solely military solution as I personally think that it is impossible to completely 'defeat' the Taleban and their supporters, however, the military will be used to 'squeeze' them to a point where they will (hopefully) come to the negotiating table.

As for the opium, the trade has increased as coalition forces have had to divert more assets to the warfighting role as opposed to eradication. The ANA & ANP have taken up responsibility for much of the eradication and have proved to be useless !!



Paul