Gary Glitter Personna non grata!

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
20/08/2008 08:44

Hi All,



Given that Mr Paul Gadd has been declared personna non grata by Vietnam, Cambodia and now Thailand, and seems to have no appetite to return to The UK, has anyone any thoughts where he may end up?



I can think of a couple of places where wealthy criminals and wanted fugitives favour?



Any suggestions where he will be welcomed?



wyn

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 08:48

they seem to be reluctant to prosecute peodos in the south or if theyt do it's a slap on the wrist so lets hope he joins his the commie over there.

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 08:55

If he has his thingy cut off dont bother me where he stays.

Skogs

puppylover



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Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 08:56

Wyn......



Wherever he goes he will soon end up in the UK....he's stated that he wants treatment on the NHS.



Vile person.....he's never shown any remorse for his actions but then none of them do.

He appears to enjoy the attention he's getting.



I pray he does not end up in TRNC!!!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 09:09

In a way It would be 'interesting' if he turned up in TRNC. Bearing in mind how they fell about children here, I think MR. Gadd's body parts would appear in various parts of the Island!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 10:45

He's a vile Man. The sooner he meets his maker the better.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 11:36

Glitter was given a date for his release. She was eight, but with her makeup on looks 12.

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 12:40

It seems that Thailand are now giving him a choice, board a plane for the UK or go to jail, seems fair enough to me but he obviously still thinks of himself as a celebrity who can do as he pleases,he,s said he wants to go shopping in Hong Kong !!!!!!!

He will never show remorse for what he,s done because paedophiles don,t believe they are doing anything wrong, that is what makes them so dangerous, and being put on the Sex Offenders Register makes no difference to them whatsoever.

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 12:49

In an interview on tv the other night Paul Gatt said that he did not know the legal age for consent in the country he was in was 18. Why did he admit this, or is it that he is stupid? This is a man who has toured the world and was completely ignorant to the fact that small children are not of the legal age of consent. On the news this morning it stated that he said he is having a heart attack, let him have it then. As a mother, I abhor reading,hearing about dreadful acts on children, sexual or otherwise. I have got into trouble by saying things but let mothers get their hands on the likes of this man for half an hour. He wont have a happy life in this country and thats why he wants to stay away. Send him the USA they put up signs warning residents where these people live.

kimosh


Joined: 09/08/2008
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 12:59

repulsive man ... for sex offenders it should be the death penalty ... why should the tax payer pay to keep this guy alive ... and as for being a celebrity he was never any good at that ... what is it. cos ya have money you can behave and do as ya like and get away with it .... seems like it ??? ... and its never what goes around comes around really ... seems the worst you are the better you seem to get on in this world ,,

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 13:23

Paedophiles!! We never had Paedophiles in my day....we had to buy our own sweets!!

authentichoccie


Joined: 09/01/2008
Posts: 481

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 13:39

Just looking at him makes my skin crawl!

Yea let him come here, i'm sure we can arrange a welcome party for him at Ercan, i know a couple of very handy butchers, who would ensure he wouldn't need to stand up any more to take a pee!!!!!!!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 13:40

Whilst I would never condone anything the likes of Gadd get up to, I find the latest proposal by the UK gov to be strange. Apparently, if you break the law abroad, as refers under age sex, although it may be legal in the country where it happens, on return to the UK you will be prosecuted as if it had happened in the UK.

Does this mean that any UK citizen driving at 100mph on a German autobahn should be prosecuted for speeding on their return to the UK?

I think that servicemen are subject to UK law wherever they are posted, but civilians?

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 14:06

Let him go to Iran, they cut off hands if a person is found guilty of stealing so what would their take be on this person?

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 14:41

As msg4, He has all his life been an attention seeker and now is no different.

He was rubbish as a pop star and he is rubbish now so lets just bin him.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2008 15:01

I certainly don't want to be in his gang.

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 15:26

There were perv's around when I was a lad in the 60's.



They're around still. They were as 'evil' then as they are now.



So what would all you posters do if Paul Gadd was in front of you and you had a gun in your hands.???



Would you pull the trigger? Or realise that these people need psychiatric help?





Some on here think that 'demasculating' them is the answer, others lifetime prison sentence, others death.





What, exactly, does 'let's just bin him' mean??





I thought we were supposed to be civilised, proactive, or at the least, reactive to social problems,......



Or would most of you still like to stone someone to death?









An anthropologist would have a field day on here!

Elliecy


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 15:58

Someone who repeatedly re-offends in this way (which he has) should be chemically castrated. He shows no remorse and is therefore likely to reoffend. Some solutions do seem a bit radical, but how would you feel if it was your child? He knew perfectly well what he was doing, which is probably why he went to Thailand where he thought he would be more likely to get away with it.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 15:58

Psychiatry doesn't help people like that. I'm sure Brady & Hindley would have been analysed by many Psychiatrists during their prison stays. Do you think Brady's now a changed man?

Lock Glitter up thats what I say.

dozza67


Joined: 11/07/2008
Posts: 607

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 16:35

Dirty, Filthy, Disgusting little pervert. I would rather cut his c**k of than send him to a psychiatric hospital. There is no excuse for what he does to children. Never mind chemically castrating him, do it properly so that he can never harm a child again.

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 17:03

There is as much chance as Paul Gadd appering in the TRNC as there is Michael Jackson and Jonathan King arriving at Ercan, with John Leslie flying the plane.

Wherever he ends up he will not be able to settle because who he is and what he has done, so his life will be a living nightmare every day.

For a man who has committed these crimes this is the best punishment in my view as death is too easy.

Michael

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 17:08

My opinion is that some humans are born evil, live evil and die evil and no amount of psychiatric help will make a difference. It's all in the genes and that is why they are recidivists. All IMHO!

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 17:12

Michael,

I totally agree with you, he won,t find any peace wherever he goes and this in turn should prevent him from re offending as his card is well and truly marked.

I am a mother and grandmother and naturally find his actions revolting but we are supposed to be civilised, violence against him is not the answer, that would just bring us down to his level.

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 17:12

He hasn't been allowed from airside in the airport although has been shopping in duty free. He knows that when he sets down on this soil his life will be as stated in message 21. Message 17 have you got children? Mine are grown up but they are still my children. And if anyone harmed them now they would have me to answer to. All these killings at the moment I feel for each parent when I hear of one, its a natural thing for a parent to do. What he and others like him have done to young children is without a doubt a henious crime. That they think of it is one thing and then to do it?????????????????????

berty



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 216

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 17:25

why are you even discussing this individual??

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 17:48

Msg25,



Exactly. Pervs are all around us and for all we know among us. More to the point, what am I going to do with my "Leader" tour T-shirt now?

aweverard


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 54

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 18:21

Pike,



A ceremonial burning to cleanse yourself perhaps? but what every you do don't wear it!

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 18:56

Hi all,



yes they are sick, but while the goverments in these country's (inc uk) let them get away with it, they will do it, instead of putting them in prisons with there own sort, maybe they should put them in the cell with a bunch of bent body builders, but before they do cut there d*** off, and break there leg so they can't get away, maybe they will think about it next time.



David123

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 20:01

Don't know why british media give so much coverage to pervs

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 20:17

Chemical castration. (without the chemicals maybe!)

jamesb


Joined: 07/02/2007
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 20:19

Robnjo - message 17



In answer to your question I'd feed him through a mincer, feet first.

jamesb


Joined: 07/02/2007
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 20:25

If its in you its in you.

If your attracted to women or men thats your thing - if your attracted to children no matter how much sitting round a table talking about is going to change it.



He is a threat to children everywhere

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 20:34

Though I find some of the solutions quite good in themselves, they unfortunately cannot be carried out due to various laws of the land, human rights acts, and our belief that we are civilised. My previous posting (no 21).

Moving away from Gadd (hopefully for ever) but staying with the subject, what is the answer with convicted child molesters. Should the sentence be increased to life without parole, should they be institutionalized for the remainder of their natural lives or if they volunteer to be castrated should they receive a light sentence (6 months)

Is it a worse crime than murder which I believe is about 25 years these days.

Is this getting to serious a subject to discuss here.

Michael

kimosh


Joined: 09/08/2008
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 21:04

doesnt matter where this guy goes in the world he will no longer be safe .... well i prayer he wont .... doesnt really matter what happens to him it will never be enough will it .... god only knows what the victims famalies are going through.....

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 21:12

Robnjo msg17



"just bin him" I meant just that........put him with the rubbish, recycle him, get rid of him..........whatever they do with rubbish these days.

I am very sorry but modern, in the community medical help doesnt do it for me it worries me.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
20/08/2008 21:18

Refused entry to Bangkok, now been refused entry to Hong Kong. He will not come to UK.



Where next?

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 01:12

If the offending part is cut off would that stop the desire ?

He might still be a danger so should not be let loose.

If it's 'in the genes' as has been suggested, then he will not change

but everyone at one time was an innocent baby with mother who

(probably) loved him. Nobody really explains what happens to such men.

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 01:26

I think that there's another rocket going never to return maybe just maybe. I know its wishful thinking but who wants him on their doorstep? As someone already mentioned they are amongst us and we dont know it, thankfully.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 08:35

08.30 bbc world news reports the pervert has been returned to vietnam as hong kong will not let him in .!!!!



the uk awaits.

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 11:16

Like somebody said he thrives on attention. So why did the news this morning give him prime spot ahead of the Madrid plane crash. They should ignore the revolting piece of dung and starve him of this oxygen of publicity.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 14:35

"I'd split his nostrils open with a boat-hook". (Monty Python 1981 - No Plagiarism here.)

slimboyfat


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Posts: 96

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 15:42

Nige,

He was flown back to Thailand and has now agreed to be returned to the UK.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 17:47

It'll be a nightmare now if you are travelling to Heathrow.

kenny



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Message Posted:
21/08/2008 19:50

next stop for him? HELL i hope

ilovemydogs



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Posts: 514

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 20:26

if i remember from when he got put in jail . they said as soon as he sets foot in england again he will be arrested immediately. that's why he won't come back. we will soon see.

no1doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 22:00

has he commited any crimes in the UK?

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 22:07

No1 Doyen,



Didnt they find dodgy photos on his computer when he took it to PC World for repair.



Served his time as I recall. He always denied the offences in Vietnam, Said he was set up by the press!.



He was however found guilty in a Vietnamese Court!



wyn

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
21/08/2008 23:50

Wyn, you started this thread. But you don't even know how to write the text in the subject. After 47 replies I think I should tell you that's "persona" and not "personna". My editor in chief, some 40 years ago, used to say: "Don't use words and/or expressions in my paper when you don't know how to spell it or when you have to look it up". Try to remember it, Wyn, please. If you're not bright, don't try to be bright. A lack of of education is OK - but please remember it.

cyprusishome


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Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 00:26

The real criminals are the press and those that read the stories about this man or many others with abnormal tendencies.



If he was allowed to travel to wherever without press attention maybe he would drop out of the headlines.



It is the press and threads like this that promote the persona. He is a UK citezen and as such allowed to enter the UK freely. That is no story!!!



The only reason he is making headlines and a mention on this BB is that he is a former hit record maker. If he was simply "joe pervert" caught in Thailand with a young boy or girl nothing would be said.

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 01:31

He's on his way back to the UK and what the future holds for him we will have to wait and see. I have already made my views on this subject known. He will become the victim as that is how it seems to be here. Yes, he might have served his time but his crime is terrible.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 09:35

Did the punishment fit the crime?

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 10:51

Re message 48

Does it really matter that a small spelling mistake was made, how petty can people get, the point of the posting was what was going to happen to a child abuser who was being returned to the UK.

In my opinion it is better to have a PERSONality than to be able to spell properly, this board is for fun and information not to gain entry to university.

littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 11:10

Hattikins very elequentley put i could not agree more.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/08/2008 11:13

Well said hattikins. Come on guys lets stop all this pettiness

PtePike



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Message Posted:
22/08/2008 11:17

CiH: "The only reason he is making headlines and a mention on this BB is that he is a former hit record maker. If he was simply "joe pervert" caught in Thailand with a young boy or girl nothing would be said."



You've got it in one, David. That's what sells hoards of tabloid newspapers - and by some of the comments on here you can tell who reads them. With their lips moving.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 11:35

I actually read the Guardian, without moving my lips, and watch the news on the BBC, but I still have an opinion on child abusers whoever they may be and in this high profile case I would be interested as to which country would grant him entry.

How sad that almost every posting has to ridiculed by the same couple of smart arses who think it,s clever to try to put people down. Serious question, what do you get out of it or do you really think you are superior to the majority of board members?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 11:48

You are right Eric. It's just boosting the paper sales. Who really cares about Gary Glitter. Hoever people are entitled to an opinion - whether their lips move or not! (good one by the way).

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 11:57

Hattikins: "Serious question, what do you get out of it or do you really think you are superior to the majority of board members?"



Morally, of course I am. I would never consider handling stolen goods and cashing in on the suffering of others. And that goes for most decent people. Quality of debate and wit is up to others to decide

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 12:16

Pike,

You really are deluded, and very monotonous, how in Gods name you can connect a posting on Gary Glitter with the property issue is beyond me, is that a sign of your debating skills and wit .

PtePike



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Message Posted:
22/08/2008 12:31

hattikins,



Because I was answering the question you asked me in msg 56. I thought Guardian readers were supposed to be brainy.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 12:46

Sorry but I think you are intellectually restricted due to your bigotry and bias, this prevents you from debating anything else properly so you then resort to sarcasm or humour.

But back to the original thread, Glitter is back in the UK and is due to sign the sex offenders register, it is believed that his future travel will be severely restricted.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 13:09

hi guys

i marvel at some of you guys, somehow people manage to get into a argument about a nonce (perv) on a north cyprus forum!!!!

at the end of the day gary baldy wont be able to sneeze without the press hounding him down so his life is over anyway he served his time and he will be on the sex offeners list wot more do we want to be hanged upside down by his meat and two veg!!!!

high profile or not it is wrong full stop but in places in the far east and even some places in europe it is acceptable you will always have supply where there is demand (sorry to be crude just stating facts)

when i was in thailand i saw it all over the place 50-60 year old english and u.s men with two or three young kids some as young as 13-14 i cud not keep my mouth shut and got into many a heated argument to put it nicely!!!



so my last thoughts until governments near and far stamp this out we will always have this problem cos of these sicko nonce cases wont get it in civil countries they will just get on a plane and go to countries like thailand,vietnam , phillipines etc etc i say collect them all and put them on a ilsand and let them fiddle among themselves

now do we have to carry on such a irrevalavant (but sad) subject of gary glitter on this kind of forum it puts everyone on a downer , id rather talk about how long paint dries in over 30degrees heat

regards

ukturk

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 13:19

ukturk. Gloss or Emulsion?



Good post by the way.

littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 13:52

Nonces ages since I last heard that " stangeways " when the riots were on if I rember right.

ukturk



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Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 14:09

hi doyen

thanks defo gloss!!!

nige yeah nonce a old word when u say u last heard that in strangeways was u visting or wos u there on h.m.p!!! lol

regards

ukturk

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 15:38

No........I cannot believe that gloss paint dries to a smooth finish in that heat, really? Then again I suppose it would take a long time to dry in the winter, that's if there are severe winters. I don't use gloss anymore haven't done for years I'm a vinyl silk girl myself. I was told just recently that gloss could be put on with a sponge and it does leave a really smooth finish but it's just the thought of the gloss. No matter how good my brushes I just couldnt manage and where does all that hair come from?

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 18:32

hattikins,



I was almost expecting you to be one of the interviewees:





http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NesjvRihbEg

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 19:10

Got better things to do mate, would rather read The Sun.

littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 19:50

VILE Gary Glitter hinted at his sickening lust for under-age sex during an appearance on This Is Your Life.



A jokey reference to “adolescent schoolgirls” in uniform prompted him to put his finger to his lips. The disgraced glam rocker could also be clearly seen mouthing “shush”.

A Sun probe uncovered the astonishing footage from when Glitter starred on one of the ITV series’ profiles in 1991 – six years before his arrest over child porn on his laptop.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/08/2008 20:40

Honi soit qui mal I pense.



(and that includes you DC Unwarranted and unbalanced)



wyn

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
24/08/2008 11:40

Lobotomise all paeds. That way you could have them living next door No danger to anyone as completely without a sex drive. No further cost to society. Prison IS NOT the answer cos they get fantastic treatment from officers and healthcare, Protocols insist on this and staff have no choice but to treat them as" normal " people. Take it from one who knows. The cost financially is phenomenal and despite all the treatment programmes for rehabilitation, most reoffend on release.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/08/2008 12:04

mitsi: "...The cost financially is phenomenal and despite all the treatment programmes for rehabilitation, most reoffend on release."



Can you supply data to back this up?

davidoff


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Posts: 438

Message Posted:
24/08/2008 13:08

Hi all,



In todays society I question the justice systems and their sentencing?



You get more years for fraud than murder?

And more time for stealing than sex offences?



He will offend again as its in his blood to do so?

People who re-offend WILL re-offend- hes proven that already?



HOPEFULLY this time round when he does get caught he will be sent to a uk prison on a block with inmates who have children???

Believe me when this happens they will deal with it for the sake of all children and parents around the world??



Take care d

ukturk



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Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
24/08/2008 22:36

hi

d i wud luv to agree with u but the problem is the convicted nonse cases when sent to prision it actually helps them let me explain all nonses get sectioned and fraggled off (prision term for a nonse) for their saftey so this broadens their networking once relleased they know more nonses up and down the country and also they have privaleges as if its a hotel they are staying at not a prison

and also the sex offders list can be dangerous to innocent people where in the past people who share the same names as convicted nonses are targgeted wrongfully recently when that old man was killed in his local villiage when the people thought they had a nonse living in their villiage

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/08/2008 23:01

the days of nonse cases being worried in nick now are long gone, its the straight cons that have to worry.parkhurst has more nonses than straight hang the barstards

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 01:02

RE Wyn : (...) Honi soit qui mal I pense. (...)



Very good, Wyn! Only six words and almost without mistakes.

SAFFI


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 342

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 06:31

lock him up and throw away the key,

who cares about a few spelling mistakes,

SAFFI


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Posts: 342

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 06:41

DUTCH

(Who cares about a few spelling mistakes) LOL



Life is to short----------- As you know



Take care and chill out





XXXX

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 09:57

DC,





Why don't you just stay away? What is your problem?



wyn

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 11:15

DC

And your contribution to this thread is what ????



Don,t be so bloody petty, it makes you look a fool.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 12:07

Nothing wrong with helping people out with primary school level mistakes in their spelling. After all, if they haven't learned such simple things by the age of nine, why should their opinions as mature adults be worth anything?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 12:09

eric your a arsehole

littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 12:15

hattikins.





Hans does not need to post on here to " look a fool " trust me.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 12:43

Eric,

See message 80.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 12:56

Deecyprus: "eric your a arsehole"



And you couldn't even spell or puncuate that! Four mistakes in a four-word sentence. Rather proves my point, doesn't it.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 13:12

Hi all,



Speaking as the injured party so to speak, can we please give this a rest.! It is infantile and of interest to no one. The constant backbiting is distasteful!



As I have got older I accept that my spelling is not what it used to be.



wyn

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 13:29

PtePike. Re. message 81



I believe Richard Branson didn't do well at school as he was nearsighted and suffered from dyslexia. I doubt whether his spelling was particularly good but I suspect his opinions as a mature adult are worth quite a lot and well respected. After all, he has done reasonably well in life!



I would imagine that there are many more like him.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 13:46

Chessman,



I would have thought you would be more concerned about foul-mouthed abuse on the BB. As for Branson, I agree with you. But he clearly isn't as thick as mince.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 13:49

Chessman - Einstein is another who struggled at school.



It seems that if we exclusively use one area of our brain other areas switch off. Autistic Savants who show remarkeable creative abilities suffer from poor social skills.

By switching off the part of the brain responsible for social skills in healthy people (through the use of magnets) then these healthy people can also show incredible abilities similar to autistic savants i.e they can paint extraordinarily well when previously they couldn't.



Spelling and grammer is overrated. Too much focus on it limits access to our right brain creative abilities. In my book it literally smalls the mind.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 14:00

Chessman



Winston Churchill and J F Kennedy also had problems with spelling, I think their opinions carried a bit of weight at times don,t you.

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 14:14

My spelling is also poor, particularly when posting because of the speed one types at. Like yours Wyn, it is getting worse as I age.



Am I bothered?



Surely its the content that holds the interest?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 14:17

Thats exactly it Bradus. It's all about the content and it's interest level.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 14:28

The only cogent arguement for correct speling and grammar is that occasionaly incorrect spelling or gramatical innacuracies can change the sense of what you write.



The other arguement is a prejudice issue, as we see people often use spelling or even typing errors to belittle the arguement or opinion being expressed. Not comprehensively persuasive as the examples above illustrate, but it is a point of view still held by many in the world.



On a slightly related point, over use of an expanded vocabulary does not of itself indicate intelligence behind the script. My own view is that if you are writing or speaking to communicate your ideas to the wider community then you should follow the KISS principal and "keep it simple stupid". Only where an esoteric word conveys a nuance not to be had by simpler words or if balance and readability is enhance by complication woud I find it justified.



Paul

(Re-writing ridiculously complicated and flowery sales material at present)

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 14:30

The only cogent arguement for correct speling and grammar is that occasionaly incorrect spelling or gramatical innacuracies can change the sense of what you write.



The other arguement is a prejudice issue, as we see people often use spelling or even typing errors to belittle the arguement or opinion being expressed. Not comprehensively persuasive as the examples above illustrate, but it is a point of view still held by many in the world.



On a slightly related point, over use of an expanded vocabulary does not of itself indicate intelligence behind the script. My own view is that if you are writing or speaking to communicate your ideas to the wider community then you should follow the KISS principal and "keep it simple stupid". Only where an esoteric word conveys a nuance not to be had by simpler words or if balance and readability is enhanced by complication woud I find it justified.



Paul

(Re-writing ridiculously complicated and flowery sales material at present)

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 14:31

very good post harold2555

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 14:51

Hattikins. Absolutely.

ILC. Absolutely

PtePike. Absolutely as far as your first sentence is concerned. However, I ignore foul mouth abuse as I see no need to comment on it. I have no desire to belittle myself by replying. Insulting someone in ANY way provides me with no satisfaction and therefore I desist.



Having said that, I suspect that some of your insults are the product of a WUM. Therefore, on that basis, I do find them quite amusing on occasions.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 15:20

hi

once again a topic which changes and goes off the subject!!!

really guys it makes me wonder the mental capacity of some of the members on here to argue about spelling and where , and . go

the funny thing is when a poster makes a spelling mistake the other member still understands the word or sentance but they just want to be difficult and point out the other person made a mistake because they cant discuss the subject at hand

now im sometimes guilty of spelling mistakes (i type faster than i think sometimes!!! lol) that does not make me uneducated i passed 8 gcse's aswell as further education, but i will tell you the best education i recieved was self taught and from the best school LİFE!!!

you could be the most educated person on this planet but if you have not got common sense or have no street knowledge forget about it because school does not teach you about life and how to be a adult

now please guys a bit of healthly discussion and comments are good but all these below the belt personal tirades at other people's expense is making this forum rather childish, it used to be i.e usefull info aswell as having a joke!!!!

regards

ukturk



p.s try guys if you can get back to the matter at hand if you lot can!!!! lol

otherwise start a subject post for personal attacks on members

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 15:28

Gary Glitter? (Back on-thread)

I'd hang him upside down and pour water up his nose. (Monty Python - 1986) (Still no plagiarism here)

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 16:17

Ukturk Message 97



You are on the mark ,like Gary Glitter this thread should be hung drawn and quartered and buried.

to those proof readers I have tried to not make to many spelling and grammar mistakes.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 21:22

Grammatical Rant over So back on topic.



We live in a civilised society where torture and the death penalty are not permitted (at least in the EU). Personally I am happy about that. Now on an individual level I find the likes of Mr. Gadd absolutely abhorrent but overall the rules of society have to be adhered to.



What options does that leave us as a civilised society, to protect our innocents?

I think that the only answer is to recognise the evil acts as a mental condition and utilise the powers of the Mental Health Act to section these individuals until we are certain that they are no threat to the community. And I mean certain, which by all accounts is difficult if not impossible to conclusively prove.



Castration (chemical or otherwise) is not the answer as the "sickness" is about power as much as sex in many cases.



Of course the desire for revenge is strong in such cases but that's why we have a judicial system, to temper the emotions.

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 21:25

100 again wyn !!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 23:19

Kenny, Be my guest!



wyn

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 11:51

Glitter should be bloody well hung.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 11:53

bradus: "Am I bothered?"



Sorry to be pedantic but shouldn't that be "bovvered"?

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 12:00

pte pike there are those that say glitter is bloody well hung !!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 18:30

RE Pike : (...) Deecyprus: "eric your a arsehole"



And you couldn't even spell or puncuate that! Four mistakes in a four-word sentence. Rather proves my point, doesn't it. (...)



You can't count, Pike, stupid boy. Five mistakes in this four-word sentence.



Eric, you are an arsehole.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 18:36

Back to Mr. Gary Glitter and the list of 30.000 (known) sex offenders in the UK. How about public executions (suggestion: Arsenal - Man United, half-time, halftime or half time)?

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 21:31

DC,



You obviously haven't been paying attention - deecyprus4 is dyslexic



(I wish I was sometimes)



Don't mock the afflicted, or else his girlfriend will come round and help Nigel 'duff you up' ;)



I can see the headline now; 'Dutchman Duffed During Dyslexis Dispute' - thank goodness for apt aliteration's artfull aid eh?



Keith.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 21:34

Oh bugger, I mis-spelt Dyslexia...

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 21:53

Don't let D&C find out, unless you are out for a full character assissination, without reference to fact.



What is this magnet to paeodophillia that seems to attract the Dutch?



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 21:56

Message 106,



So sir, are you!



wyn



E&OE.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 22:05

Wyn,



re message 110, it's the Belgian's, not the Dutch - you're geography is getting a bit wonky (like most of me, actually...)



Keith.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 22:06

Oh God!,



I think it's time for bed, two errant apostrophies in that last post...

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 22:14

Keith.



No it is the Dutch.



D.C. The 30.000 (known) sex offenders in the UK came over from Europe

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 22:30

Hattikins,



You have stood as the moral guardian, over this post.



Your decency (expected as a Guardian reader) has shone out. You took the moral high



ground and stand tall. I, for one am deeply indebted!



By the way Mr Gadd was only ever found guilty in a European court of having somewhat



sordid pictures of children on his computer, for which her served 3 months at her majesties



pleasure. The charges in Vietnam were vehemently denied (as a press set up ) and his trial



was always disputed as unconstitutional But that is the press for you! Pike take the salute!



Perhaps, it is a case of...."let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.!"



Now you and I may think otherwise , but a man is innocent until proven guilty!



Thank you,



wyn

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 22:35

i'd like to slap that permanant smirk right off his face , filthy depraved beast that he is .

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 23:11

Wyn,

I wish I could stand tall but at 4ft 11ins that is quite difficult !!!!!!

Just as an afterthought if anyone cares to look on the other bulletin board re posting pictures you will see a SPELLING MISTAKE by DC, it just goes to show that nobody is perfect.

It might be a good thing if we all remember that, myself included, and perhaps we, again myself included, should also strive not to take the bait when others try to wind us up and hijack threads, they may get tired of playing to an empty theatre.

Hattikins

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 23:13

Hattikins,



I like you! Goodnight and God Bless! (I hope that doesn,t cause offence!)



wyn

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 23:23

Erkan.

Message 97, spot on as usual. Respect to you.



GG was a remarkable showman in the 70's and had a massive following. Pity his depravity has overshadowed all of it now. He is a marked man for life & rightly so.



Wonder if all that use this forum are squeaky clean on the subject.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 23:35

Wyn

I did like you until you ate the donkey.

Goodnight and God Bless, no offence meant or taken.

Hattikins.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 23:35

Tiggy,



Virgin Converter!! Makes you think, doesnt it!



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 23:44

Hattikins,



If only I had a woman of good heart like you, to tuck me up! Oh well!



wyn

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 23:47

Wyn,



I will change that now. remember as you said earlier.........Innocent till proved other wise!!



Funny enough, as a lad I always fancied older women!.......... Still do!



P.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 00:09

Good Lad,



A step in the right direction, I think!



wyn

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 11:06

re message 19 , hi patrick , i would hope to god we are all decent people and that we don't have tendancies to lean that way , the mere thought of any kind of communication with paedophiles fills makes me feel nauseous , years ago when i did psychiatry , they use to use aversion therapy on these people , don't know if they still use this form of treatment ? but that was for people who recognised they had a problem or for the people who were referred by the courts , but still a very huge global problem

regards, patricia

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 11:57

Msg125: "...years ago when i did psychiatry..."



Were you are psychiatrist or RMN/CPN?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 20:49

Pike,



Is this an acknowledgement that at last you accept that you are in need of seeking professional help? I know a good one! He incarcerated The Lady Wyn. Brown envelopes and used note!

Your currency I believe!



wynyardman

blackpoolrock


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 21:01

Ive had very mixed feeling over the Gary Glitter incidents and cannot understand why he's being so persecuted - after all, he did his time in prsion for what he supposedly did. The truth of the matter is, no one really knows what happened with those two girls who made the allegations - the so called paedophillia -



(1) its posible he was set up by the PC World technicians with the laptop images in 2001 - I can't see how any right minded paedo would take their computer to the repair shop with kiddie porn on it (2) those Vietnamese did not conduct a fair trial, no translations in English and refused witness statements. They relied only on the say so of the family of gold digging peasants. I feel that in time the truth will show if he is innocent of the claims or not if it goes to appeal in the British courts. Remember, two previous women making allegations against him in the UK in 2001, were thrown out of court as being untruthful and vexatious claims (teased by tabloid money - naturally).



Sex offences against minors is most definitely wrong - but consider the hypocrisy involved as the legal age of consent in many countries is 14/ 15 in Spain it is 13, in Bulgaria its 10!! Who is to say what is right and wrong for other cultures/ countries?



And what of Pete Townshend from the Who with all the kiddie porn he downloaded because he claimed he 'wanted to understand the mentality involved' - not prosecuted. Bill Wyman from the Rolling Stones who started a sexual relationship with Mandy Smith when she was 13 and he was 45? - not prosecuted. Jerry Lee Lewis maried his cousin when she was 14 and he was 45 - no prosecution. Elvis Presley began a sexual relationship with Priscilla when she was only 13 - not prosecuted. The Emperor Hadrian & his young boy lover Antonous ? Yet no one bangs on now about these individuals in the sensational newspapers.



Again I raise the issue of hypocrisy - As a famous person and previously a bit of a British Institution, ruthlesly hounded by the UK newspapers, Gary Glitter will never know peace now whether he committed gross indecency acts against 'children' or not. The chemical castration, hang em high, chop the bits of brigade seem to equate barbarity with justice in some macabre and irrational way.



Young people (children) need to be protected, but justice and sense must also be paramount in any allegations or convictions.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 21:08

A balanced account of the facts! Have you got a daughter?



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 21:12

blackpoolrock,



I note your job description. International Playboy.



I think I would be giving urgent consideration ,as to how I portrayed myself.



My suggestion, that is all.



wyn

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 21:25

blackpoolrock,



Thought-provoking post. But too much for the lynch mob, I reckon.

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:10

Blackpool Rock

I note from your profile you joined the forum today and so far you have had an opinion on every subject.

For a 35 year old you seem to have a lot of Knowledge and money

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:22

Some people may have some doubts about the charges against him, who really knows the truth, but I for one would not give him the benefit of the doubt around my grandaughters and I don,t think many people would, rightly or wrongly.



Hattikins

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:24

Spot on Hattikins...........but we will still treat him as innocent, until proven guilty!!



wyn

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:38

could'nt agree more hattikins

blackpoolrock


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 23:48

Thanks for that chick - the answer is yes - yes and er yes.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 00:34

Blackpool Rock

I saw on one of your posts that you have three sons, on another you are looking for a place to rent, no kids or pets, I presume from that that your children won,t be living with you. Even so as a responsible parent I,m sure you wouldn,t like to think they were living near a possible child abuser, whether or not he was a "celebrity", isn,t the safety of children paramount.

Child abuse is a very emotive subject and naturally people get angry but the vast majority of them are merely letting off steam when talking about castration and the like, we are all aware that we have to abide by the law of the land.

You do seem to be taking a quite confrontational attitude on this forum, perhaps you may benefit from stepping back a little and at least allow others an opinion without shouting the odds.

SAFFI


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 342

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 00:36

Well said Hattikins

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 12:32

msg 137: "Child abuse is a very emotive subject and naturally people get angry but the vast majority of them are merely letting off steam when talking about castration and the like, we are all aware that we have to abide by the law of the land."



No, these people are revealing themselves as ignorant and easily manipulated by the tabloid comics they rely on to feed their narrow minds and prejudices. Most child sex abuse happens in the home and is committed by male relatives of a similar social and educational background as the lynch mob on this BB. Perhaps they should be paying closer attention to what may be happening to their own grandchildren, than a tabloid witchunt on a sad old perv who got caught and did his time.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 13:01

Child abusers actually come from all walks of life and social backgrounds.

"These people" as you refer to them are just displaying a normal reaction to the thought of young children being abused in any way, they don,t need guidance from the likes of the tabloid press to feel disgust at such depravity. As for being aware of what is happening to their children/grandchildren, how many people have thought their youngsters were safe when they were in the company of sports coaches, teachers, even priests.

I would have more respect for you if instead of continually trying to insult members of this board who have a different opinion than yours you were able to show a little compassion for the victims of child abuse. Glitter may be a" sad old perv who got caught and did his time" but the victims will serve a life sentence.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 13:18

Hattikins,



As you so rightly say, people who have children and grandchildren see things ia a somewhat different perspective. Empathy or lack of it, for people that have sufferred speaks volumes of those,who write of such matters.



wyn

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 13:34

Hi Wyn

Pike has children !!!!!

He also claims to be or to have been a special constable who has had contact with cases of sexual abuse towards children and so knows something of the subject and offenders profiles.

Most of my working life was spent working with children with special needs, many of them had been abused and at times I have assisted the police in interviewing them, it is gut renching.

How anyone can disregard the abuse of children in order to score points on a bulletin board is beyond me , Pike will no doubt come back with some smart answer but I have had my say on this subject and am calling it a day because it is too revolting.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 15:25

Well said Hattikins As a grandfather of a beautiful 7 year old,I share your sentiments entirely.







Note.. The Original post was that Mr Gadd was being rejected by the International Community

and my question was, could he end up in The TRNC, as they seem to welcome many wealthy

internationally undesireable persons. Like many posting, our members stray from time to time

from the original question!



wyn