Are certain topics inappropriate for debate ?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 21:52

Freedom of speech is the defining mark of a civilised society, however are there some topics that are strictly taboo on a civilised forum and therefore should not be debated under any circumstances?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:25

Yes.... they just get deleted if a mod doesn't agree.... No freedom of speech on 44 if its a certain subject....

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:30

seems so no1 ,for fear of being banned again , i would only say , we fought for the right of freedom of speach ?

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:31

Bill, I don't even want to go there with things I think might to be taboo mate. This thread would be closed in 1 second flat ;-)

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:34

this thread is closed



because I dont agree from a mod lol :lol:

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:37

Oh my Goodness Rowlo, you banned too, when, why, and who by? so many get banned.....

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:40

dizzy. Please stay on topic.

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:46

How about a debate on Leonard Cohen Bill,

Paul.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:48

If it's a fun thread/post, tongue and cheek which goes off on a tangent still in a humorous way though cryptically diverse, (which not all may understand) so be it!



Richard

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:49

Well Paul, that certainly would not be an inappropriate topic.

zerochlor


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Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:49

i think everything is up for debate,there are no taboo subjects.



it is only a debate.



we are all adults.



Those who call it taboo and dont wish to debate,pass the subject by.

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:49

perhaps the mods should reach an agreement and let us know

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:55

What are your thoughts Jim, is it a green light for all topics?

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:55

Na, be to easy for them, :lol: its easier to close on a subject that they dont like, Simbas doesn't like any thing said about Muslum women and their headgear...... There are so many taboo things on here, you even have Rowlo too scared to be himself :lol: NO1doyen gets cross if you go off on one .....

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:57

How about a debate on probably the worst national football team in living memory,

Paul.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:58

zero , spot on , this should also include moderators , were not school kids were adults , let the debates be debated ?

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 22:58

Paul. The ones playing now?

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:00

Paul

Just for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDj5T8-H2R8



Richard

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:00

Bill, I was on hols in Egypt a few years back and was out for the evening with a few people I had met.



Garry Glitter ended up in the conversation. I argued the point that he would have not have ever been caught if it wasn't for a computer technician doing something illegal in the first place by looking at the information on his hard drive. The bloke had no right to look through his clients confidential pictures, accounts or whatever. It is unprofessional. As an ex owner of a computer shop any of my staff doing so would have been sacked on the spot.



I am not condoning what Garry Glitter has ever done and said so on the night. They all gave me dirty looks though as if I had done something wrong.



So sometimes certain subjects can be taboo.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:02

lol paul , were keeping the spanish to 0-1 , but its only half time lmao ?

Groucho



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:05

"Are certain topics inappropriate for debate ?"



Yes... maths. Don't want any maths-debating going on here - do we...

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:06

rowlo. message 16. Are you saying that all topics are appropriate for debate on here?



I certainly agree that we are all adults but that doesn't stop some posters from acting like kids. I don't mean you by the way.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:08

I dont think you could have a debate about Sex on the forum...Or have I opened the flood gates ! )







SpiderX ps I do not have sex on my laptop )

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:11

Speckie yes.



Rich cheers,

Paul.

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:12

Bet your glad I answered your post Bill, as it was shuddering down towards the bottom, thought it to good to let slip...



If a little more tolerance were to be amongst every one, think most things could be debated.... when members start bantering some get their hackles up, then the thread is pulled, a lot of it if left would get back on track....

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:14

We try to be tolerant.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:17

Just aswell Spider laptops are flimsy you might break it.....

rowlo



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:25

msg26 no1 , me thinks only you are tolerant , its spain 2 jocks 2 now btw ?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 23:27

Come on the Jocks!!

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 08:43

"Are certain topics inappropriate for debate ?"

=> Absolutely: anything British. On the other hand: anything "foreign" is free to shoot at at all times. And preferably anything Dutch.

branwell



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Posts: 141

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 08:49

When exactly did we fight for freedom of speech?

TopTen


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Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 11:27

One debate could be the reason for the massive chip on DCs shoulder

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 11:34

Oh come on!



You have to honest and say DC is very balanced, at least he has a chip on both shoulders....

breezyboy


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Message Posted:
13/10/2010 11:48

Groucho

Your post has to be nominated for funniest post of the month if not the year

oceanView


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Message Posted:
13/10/2010 12:55

Deleted as per rule 1.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 14:01

How can you be suspended if you are still posting?

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 14:28

Rules on here don't mean much anyway, or it depends on who you are, Rule 7 is broken almost every day, again.



I feel that some subjects cannot be debated on a public forum, it is more likely that it would just become a war zone, issues such as child abuse, domestic violence, religious practice etc could bring out the worst in people resulting in the post being closed.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 15:56

In an adult forum any topic should be debatable - I also don't believe in a forum being micro-managed......if you don't like what someone has posted, ignore it - bullies and polemicists need the oxygen of an hysterical response to feed the flames of their ignorance - ignore them and they eventually find another outlet or victim that engages or becomes a co-dependant in their need to spread or find misery........

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 20:25

"if you don't like what someone has posted, ignore it - bullies and polemicists need the oxygen of an hysterical response to feed the flames of their ignorance"



MsGarnet, that's a great line.

Harold2555



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Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 20:39

Or in other words "Don't feed the Trolll!"

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 20:48

MsGarnet, great post.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 20:54

rowlo

Re message 16:

'were not school kids were adults'

It is just a shame that some 'adults' still do not know how to behave like adults.

The other thing to remember is that this is a family forum. And of course nobody reads the mission statement on the login page or reads the rules of the board. If we could sort out those 'minor' problems then there would no need for moderators.

AJ

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 21:03

This is an open forum, which means that children can access it. I believe we have to behave in a responsible manner. There are enough morons posting stupid things on here, is it not time we thought about our actions. Cyprus 44 is in the strange position that its popularity is its downfall. It is drawing people who seem to want to bring it down, for whatever reason.

Lets get back to being a forum that can discuss without insults, be supportive without belittling and still has a sense of humor without being smutty.

I know I have already mentioned the morons which my be insulting and belittling but there are a number of posters who are dragging this forum down, if we ignore their irrelevant posts they may get feed up and go away or hopefully banned for good.

I have posted this because I know to many good posters are getting feed up with the way things are going and do not post or even access 44. Let's get 44 back to being a good forum not a joke forum.

PaulW



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Posts: 651

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 21:07

AJ our post overlapped, you said in fewer words what I meant.

johndp


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Posts: 497

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 21:44

Unfortunately I lay the blame for a lot of he troubles on the board at the feet of certain mods, they ban some people for reasons like aggressive posts, yet others are allowed to do it frequently, some people use 'rude' words and dont get banned while others do, some are allowed to post continually about one or two places or people, yet others the minute they bring a certain subject or person up the topic gets closed or the person gets a ban, somebody once said on here that "topics should be allowed to develop and some of the substance should be watched as it will show up some of the posters as charlatans" some of the mods should try it.

Tiggy


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Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 22:01

Rowlo, why were you banned? surely you were not rude or used bad language.......highly unlike!



No subject is beyond discussing, so long as the persons views are debated and not ganged up on. Not so long ago I made what I considered to be an innocent remark and was painted out to be a racist. Sometimes it puts members off getting invoved due to a select few of sad people.



It is my opinion that all banned members should be named and the reason for it explained. Further more a life ban should mean the removal from the site and not a silly count down clock.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 22:11

I agree naming and shaming should be tried out if the numbers reduce in being banned it shows that it has worked .



Cyprus 44 sets rules then allows posts that break them . So then the limits are then pushed to the limits .



I think you have to have some things not up for discussian such as topics that might offend the country we are posting in .

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:58

imho if threads are offensive or racial mods should close them at source not wait till it reaches x amounts of posts before closing then ban people tiggy i got banned for speaking my mind ? only explanation given by an unamed mod , people like you are not required on this board

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:23

You really do not understand do you Rowlo.

All of the active 'mods' are part time and as such cannot monitor all threads and associated postings all of the time and if posters such as yourself just stopped and thought about what you were/are about to post and took a bit more of a responsible attitude towards the board then it would become a more civilised place to be. It is the posters that make or break the board nobody else.

AJ

Goonerboy


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 723

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:25

"however are there some topics that are strictly taboo"



Seems its becoming nigh on impossible to post critical threads on companies advertising with cp44, freedom of speech...you betcha

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:32

AJ, we do realise its a voluntary job, nobody's disputing this, but surely I warning before a ban, it saves an awful lot of bad feeling ... Bans are so very silly really....



No topic is really discussable....

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:35

What happened to my reply to Rowlo's post? Did it go to cyberspace now being read by Martians!

'You have to be over 18 or an adult to reply'!



Richard

rowlo



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Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:35

i said that months ago , aj take away the posters you got no mods ? so maybe your not getting it eh ? or are you still playing god ? youve got a chip on your shoulder because certain posters dont agree with you and you can ban them ? thats not moderating thats oppression rowlo you have email lmao

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:45

MSG 49 AJ..."It is the posters that make or break the board nobody else."



You couldn't make it up.... ? lol

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:46

dizzy

Let me explain to you what happens. All of the 'moderators' take time out to warn certain posters about their behaviour on the board, some have set up e-mail addresses specifically for joining the board and do not respond when sent an e-mail so after a week it is deemed that the member has an invalid e-mail address. So if we cannot contact a member then what should we do? Certainly not have a slagging match on the board because believe me that only adds to the problem. I have saved all of the abusive e-mails that I have had when I have politely requested certain members to desist from their trouble making antics and it will make interesting reading in the future. Believe me you have no idea what goes on and banning a member is a last option. Oh by the way just to prove my point, how many times have you seen me post '****** you have e-mail'?

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:48

oops should have read un -discussable or rather every topic should be discussable....

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
15/10/2010 21:05

AJ, I am not getting into an argument with you over this, as you well know I do not agree with any one being banned.

Perhaps its posts that should BE deleted if they become offensive.

Perhaps a 'delete this post or remark'needs to be added.

I am sorry that you get abusive emails, again a reason why a lot of members don't put up their email on here!



But to get back to the issue, all topics should be discussable, and perhaps the mods should not really get involved with a topic that they know other members want to discuss. To close a thread because the mod in question doesn't agree or thinks it unacceptable to them is just oppression as Rowlo says.

Tootie


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Message Posted:
15/10/2010 21:08

Anyway what happened to rowlo's post?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/10/2010 21:39

RE msg 42, AJ: (...) It is just a shame that some 'adults' still do not know how to behave like adults. (...)

=> You wrote this, AJ..?! Don't ask me to explain.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 21:43

Come on Guys, keep on track.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
15/10/2010 21:53

rowlos posts always get deleted by certain mods for some strange reaason? then i get a ban ? oh well im in trnc now ? any one fancy a pint ?

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 21:54

OK where ??? lol

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
15/10/2010 21:59

Hans

I am not asking you to explain as I have done the explaining, I suggest you just leave it at that.

And as Bill says keep this thread on topic.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:04

RE msg 63, AJ: Thank you for your reply and suggestion! Just made a screenshot. Interesting reply for someone who told me this afternoon that he didn't want any connections with expats anymore. Suddenly you need to quote Bill to support you? Cheap.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:07

msg62 name it we will come ?

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:10

Hans

Whatever, I really cannot be bothered with it.

Enjoy your evening.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:15

easy out for the no1 banner? fancy a pint ? i will pay ?

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:29

RE msg 66, AJ: (...) Whatever, I really cannot be bothered with it. (...)

=> You think so?

(...) Enjoy your evening. (...)

=> I never say what I don't mean, AJ, contrary to a certain Brit. So: Enjoy my evening? I hope you don't.

P.S. I don't know if I'm talking to C44 member AlsancakJack or moderator AlsancakJack, "who is sick of all the nasty emails he receives". One cannot ban me, the other can. Interesting to find out if you make it a member-moderator Vendetta.

Tootie


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Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:35

rowlo msg 65.... the barrel / roof top bar alsancak.

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:20

this is all getting a little silly in my opinion.

BillyB


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Posts: 436

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:46

Is it ok to talk about erection problems?

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:53

having trouble getting it up dear boy?

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:54

BillyB....would this be an erection of a shed? Or something like that?