Does TRNC want the Brits to reside here

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 10:22

Do you think on the whole the Brits have out stayed there welcome ?

flowerfairy


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Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 10:29

I think it's a bit like the world over, if you're happy, they have no problem with you.

I do know that if I heard a foreigner moaning about my country, my first thought was

'well, b'''''''''er off back to your own country then'.

Probably the same here.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 10:32

It's the same problem all over the world. Communities do not tolerate outsiders very well. It's a human design fault, the glitch in the system.



I would imagine those that earn a living from the British do their best to tolerate us.



Our best bet is to be kind and considerate to our hosts, but to be forceful with them should they take the p...s. . If they really don't want us here then they should be honest and openly say so and then we can all pack our bags. Nobody really likes to outstay their welcome.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 10:38

"we can all pack our bags"



although many of us cant afford to do so

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 11:16

We love it here, we have many lovely local friends and British ones who moved here for the right reasons, the only thing wrong with it is the peeps who bought for investment and having seen their investments stagnating, they are now getting upset and whingeing and then the insults inuendo and half truths start, this is what some Brits bring to this lovely country, it's them that we could do without as their contribution is really negligable

IMHO

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 11:50

Well said lazy days. We mix with the local people and try and communicate as best as possibe. We have met kindness and made friends with people.



Nothing worse than a miserable brit!! ,the old attitude of not wanting to mix with "Johnny foreigner" is still rife, sad to say.

Barbarians


Joined: 22/10/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 12:06

On the whole we need each other



For TC people to have a reasonable life style then they need income! Tourism/Brits contribute to this, it could be better with more repeat business if all Islanders including visitors were educated in keeping this Beautiful TRNC litter-free.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 12:14

msge 6



"On the whole we need each other"



totally agree

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 12:18

meant message 7



msge 6



"We mix with the local people and try and communicate as best as possibe"



I do my best to too. If you are pleasant then people are more likely to be pleasant back.

Would you say that we are liked and respected by everyone?

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 12:31

Msg 2.

Good point a lot of ex pats seem to forget that it's not the UK, and things WILL be done differently from time to time.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 12:48

I have reread msge 2



'I do know that if I heard a foreigner moaning about my country, my first thought was



'well, b'''''''''er off back to your own country then'.



This is a very good point indeed

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 13:28

Message 11



please tell this to all the foreigners in the uk.



see you in court for race hate crime.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 13:31

msge 12



yes you will see me there

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 13:44

Nothing worse than a miserable brit!!



Lived abroad most of my life and I would say that describes a good percentage of them!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 15:49

Why just theBrits, what about the Germans, the Dutch, the Russians, the Iranians, the mainlanders..?

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 15:57

15 posts and it hasn't gone pear shaped yet, not a mention of deeds or a dodgy builder, or even people having a pop

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 16:03

Msg 15 - could be to do with the ammount of 'British' themed bars and restaurants and the traditional sunday lunches, meals etc. advertised. Don't seem to see a lot of the nationalities mentioned running / advertising their traditional lunch menu, football, sports etc.

Could be wrong, but just a thought!

This is after all the TRNC, not little britain

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 16:04

Scott. I agree.



BPF. Don't hold your breath. ) )

Blackpoolfan


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Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 16:19

No1

I daren't i would of flatlined about 10 minutes ago.

flowerfairy


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Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 16:22

I was at the Park in Karsiyaka last evening. I couldn't buy a Pide of lamacun, but guess what,

I could have a plate of chips.!!!!

Not complaining, but this is a local cafe!!!!

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 16:35

As I said, catering for the uk taste buds!

Is that what locals want - doubt it. No wonder they complain about us changing not just eating habits but trying to change their culture as well - going in to shops in shorts/no top women strutting around high streets etc in bikinis - do the local population really appreciate the british way of life here?

We are visitors here after all - and be thankful they want us - just now!

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 17:29

Yes, but Scoty, there were a few of us requesting local snacks, but were refused.

Hopefully they'll restore the local snack menu if we ask enough times.

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 18:01

Pipie; of course they don't want us here. It was only ever our bank balances that were wanted. It's not just British ex pats the TC's feelthe same about their own people who left to make something of themselves in the UK Australia or wherever. The only people who matter here are the TC's who stayed. The fact that the y stayed because they were too idle to move is neither here nor there. If you accept it, then it's really not a problem. It's exactly the same in the south. It's a Cypriot thing, not just a gc or TC thing. Island people are almost always very insular,. Think about Jersey Guernsey and other UK islands. Nothing is different there.

Just enjoy the climate and lack of crime.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 19:05

trooper;



spot on mate. Finally someone gets it!

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 19:19

Newscoop; Cheers for that. Mind you I've only been coming here for 50 years so what do I know?

trooper


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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 19:20

Newscoop; Cheers for that. Mind you I've only been coming here for 50 years so what do I know?

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 19:33

50 years - must have a lot of changes. Especially i in the 60/70 time

Remember the uk is an island also - is that also insular?

trooper


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Posts: 211

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 20:51

Scoty; not insular enough I'm afraid.

Scoty


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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 20:53

trooper - fully agree. One of the reasons no longer there

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 21:05

I think that every body who strongly feels that they are not welcome here should just teach them a lesson by leaving as soo as they can and then they will realise how much of a loss us extravagent, easy going, never complaining british people would be



I can't say I have ever been made to feel unwelcome, maybe its because I actually do spend money without feeling the need to complain about it or maybe its because I am such a friendly soul, not

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 21:33

What evidence have you for making such a statement in Line 3 message 23? How much do you know about the background of the TC? All the TC I have been in contact with have been very welcoming people - not a statement I could make about all the UK people I have come into contact with.



As in any country, if you are not happy with the way the country operates - just leave as no one is asking a person to stay - they are free to leave.



In many situations I have been made aware of abroad I have been ashamed to say that I am British.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 21:41

Isabella, the bottom line is that the bottom line in your statement is about as close to how I feel most of the time as I could put it.

We are the most ignorant group of foreigners you could ever meet. If the country we go to is not to our liking we blame the country, how self important can one race of mixed breeds be.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 21:47

Msg 32 - totally agree re ignorance - thats why the brits make their own place abroad . safety in numbers and dont forget the soaps etc on the telly!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 22:00

Scoty, making your own place is one thing , trying to make the whole place your own is something completely different but I am afraid appears to be some peoples expectancy in my eyes. With that in mind, the bast answer I can give to the original post is : Yes, they would probably love the Brits to reside here, instead of trying to over rule the place with what they believe is a better way of donig things, after all it has worked so well in the UK that we have all moved away from the bloody place.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 22:07

msg 34 - that i fully support- see msg 17

We are visitors

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 23:06

personally,i dont think the Turkish Cypriots have any problems with the British people living in their country .They are very easy going people , very friendly and just carry on with things.

BUT...not many TC's read Cyprus 44 and i think if they did, they might have a different opinion of us all.

I know there is london Turkish Cypriots who have returned here that may read it but they already know what the Brits are famous for...and thats moaning

plumber



Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 85

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 23:17

If your a down to earth person and dont mind getting your hands dirty thats ok but if your a bone idle grumbler I wouldnt tolerate that why should anyone else steve

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 23:30

There are, unfortunately, a great number of Brits who maintain that this is the Turkish Republic of Northern England. Nuff said.

donga


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 00:33

All the trnc want is your money. End of. They will put up with the brits while you are throwing it at them but other than that they dont want you there. Now the housing boom has ended they will find more & more ways to screw the brits for every penny they have & that is why I left.



The best thing I ever did was leave that banana republic. I would never go back there even for a free holiday.



In 30 years of going abroad I have yet to find a place that really welcomes the brits apart from the dumbass americans.



Might try wales next .................

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 00:40

You have been going abroad since you were 8 ??

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 00:52

Tonight I met two lovely people from Leftkosia, born here educated in England. Lived in many places including istanbul. Both University professor's.They came back to live here 12 years ago and guess what they were ripped off by their estate agent at the time. They then bought land and used the British way of getting quotes etc. success.They are horrified at what is going on here especial Pauline. I said Mr Dentash was trying to help Geoff they said why we all know he has no power. They told me Britain is paying now for the days of the colony but they as Cypriot's are sadden by how sharks have taken over, my little kitten decided to escape and got trapped and the ladt heard it and rescued it. I was amazed. I said so her reply all through our lives before the problems we cared for our animals, now I make it my mission to make us care again

hodgeliz


Joined: 16/10/2010
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 06:42

As a new member reading this and moving to TRNC soon after having lived in Spain for several years after moving from Shropshire, let me say that Brits in Spain are just the same, they groan and moan and want to change everything to their ways, god knows I hope they dont get their way in north Cyprus, the way it is suits us well Lizzie

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 13:22

TRNC people are not racist in any way, they dont mind any community living here, they just dislike anyone taking away their power in the island which is what they have had to put up with in the past the present and the future, this does not include the Brits as they are a very small part of the community and are just the same as the tc s which is a minority !!

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 14:02

Of course the TRNC want us here, they can keep taking our funds to improve their lifestlyes, only thing is they do not want to give anything in return ie: Residency/work/uk entertainment etc. However we choose to live here as we love it here, we can always choose to go elsewhere if we wanted. Personally I love it here, yes there are problems/difficulties, but if we cannot cope then we either live with it or reluctantly have to leave.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 14:31

Try to do like Romans when you go to Rome and you'll have no problems at all.

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 14:44

When you live in a country you have to make the effort to learn the language, culture and customs. The more you integrate the more you are accepted by the majority of the population. The less you integrate the less you are trusted and accepted. I have lived in the UK for nearly 40 years. It is the same here and all over the world. Of course there is a section of the community who hate foreigners in every country.

Merkel has the nerve to accuse forigners of not integrationg when even the foreigners born in Germany can never be German never mind having lived there for 40 years.

I would also like to add that it was not always easy here, there was plenty of racism here in early days and even now there is plenty institutional racism which is swept under the carpet at every opporotunity by the authoroties. But we don't run away, we stand and fight it which ever way we can. Unite and fight together and you can make a change.

stilluvithere



Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 765

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 14:47

Like many people on this forum I was here in the early 70's, before during and after the intervention. I had Cypriot Turkish friends then and am still friendly with them now plus lots of new friends made in the last 8 years. Generally I think that the men in the street are quite happy with us being here, some politicians might not be.

I am certainly not in favour of all the "British bars and restaurants, the odd one was ok but now you see everywhere, all day breakfast, cod and chips, cottage pie and chips. Only 15 tl as if that is a good deal. That is £7, would you pay that for cottage pie and chips in England.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 14:48

Message 45,

I wish it was like that in the UK, but that is idealistic. Another 20 years at our current level of immigration then white British will be the minority fact

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 19:03

I blame the Cyprus weather. At least in the UK you've got the weather to moan about.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 19:05

Most of the British expats moan about the weather here too, too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, too humid, not humid enough, I could go on.

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 19:34

msg48 Perhaps Ted Heath we should have listened to Enoch Powell?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 19:34

Msge 46







"When you live in a country you have to make the effort to learn the language, culture and customs. The more you integrate the more you are accepted by the majority of the population."



wise words

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 19:58

msg 23 Guernsey used to be quite insular in the early days, before they imported many people from Madeira to work in the GROWING industry.Now however St Peter Port has lost it's charm as a Tourist destination since Guernsey gave up on a flagging tourist trade in the early 80's in favour of" OFF SHORE BANKING"It is hard now to distinguish St Peter Port from The City (London)The GROWING industry died after failing to compete with HOLLAND;;By the way ,Jersey and Guernsey are NOT UK islands,they are "CROWN DEPENDENCIES"each with there own Government...They are also ASSOCIATE members of the EU...And each have there own Laws loosely based on UK and French/ Normandy Law.

apc2010


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Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 00:41

how many people given the chance would move and to where ..????

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 02:47

I think the TRNC or rather turkey is quite rightly concerned with the demographics within the TRNC. There is a definate requirement that the majority of the population in the TRNC reflect the security and trade requirements of Turkey, and the numbers match the populations in the south. Hence the movement to replace the exodus of turkish cypriots with mainland turks (even though the turkish cypriots are descendent from mainland turks bussed overin the 18th century)



The question then is are the british population a hinderence or a plus to Turkey and the TRNC. Does there land ownership/citizenship have an impact on any future solution.



If the british are perceived as part of the problem, then this is because of the british governments lack of support for turkey and its support of the south.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 02:52

anulsan very interesting post , are the expat property owners in cyprus out numbering the t/cs now.??

anlusan


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 02:56

I don't know.

but there has to be a very real geopolitical reason why there are restrictions on owning turkish title properties.



Land ownership is a huge issue, and explains the roc attempts to dissuade europeans from owning exchanged land