If the talks "fail" should n/c be turkey

apc2010


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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 02:04

if as it looks the never ending talks fail , would the eu ex pats be willing to give up their eu rights and stand by the n/cyprus government ???

Clarissa2


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Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 02:10

apc2010,



which EU rights exactly do ex-pats exercise now in the NC?

apc2010


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Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 02:15

pensions , free health care if they cross , freeedom of movement ,, what more do you want ..????

Clarissa2


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Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 02:24

I was asking about Northern Cyprus, not "if you cross" scenarios.

There is no freedom of movement : you movements are restricted by visas and residence requirements.

There is no health care provisions.

There is no right to work.

These are only to start with...

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 02:35

It is all supposition, and I suppose it would be a waste of time to hope that people realised discussions on here will have no bearing on the whole thin

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 02:48

Re : Msg 5,



Quite.

If there are no EU rights now, there is nothings to give up, therefore nothing to discuss.

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 06:39

When Czechoslovakia split, neither of those became Turkey, nor did any of Yugoslavia.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 06:58

Actually I'd rather be living in part of Turkey than part of the EU... The EU is broken beyond repair and I don't see why Turkey would want to lumber itself with membership... Their economy is too strong for the EU...

juliamoons



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Posts: 849

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 08:17

Groucho, I am with you, totally agree with your comment.

waddo


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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 08:27

Good man Groucho, you got it in one.

Geoff


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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 08:30

Well said Groucho. In any case it looks pretty certain that NC will become part of Turkey if the talks fail, and that in the wider context Turkey would not be part of the EU, but of a wider alliance with other Moslem States such as Syria, Iraq, etc. Fine with me,

Geoff

Famagusta City

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 08:43

Hopefully the talks will fail,TRNC becomes annexed to Turkey,Turkish bid for EU membership fails and we become part of a powerful nation with high interest rates LOVELY!

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 08:52

Great! I agree. I dont know any one who has had free treatment on the greek side all my friends have had to pay. I would rather stay here. Hate going over there and i was married to a GC.

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 09:39

apc2010



msg 3



"pensions , free health care if they cross , freeedom of movement ,, what more do you want ..????"



As EU citizens, we EU ex-pats are entitled to the above when in RoC. Whether TRNC is in or out of EU is neither here nor there.

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 11:28

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=2&ved=0CDgQqQIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2Fsurveys%2Fdisplaystory.cfm%3Fstory_id%3D17276384%26fsrc%3Drss&ei=SEnBTLncBM_oOfyY8fgL&usg=AFQjCNF6gHtfywE3HulchBefsdfFykJJGg



The third largest economy within the next six years.Would seem prudent to be in with this,

Paul.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 11:47

Why don't we ask what the TC's want...it is their country ...not ours!

vonny


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Posts: 476

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 12:22

I agree with groucho,i hope the talks fail,if theres an agreement,how long would it last?how many of you have travelled to the south and they.ve treated you badly, Slowly slowly the south will weazle its way to take over the whole island just like it weazled its way into the EU and the tc voice will not be heard . The worst thing is though,all the other countries will allow it.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 12:35

The EU promises to uphold the TC's rights if Turkey gives up it's guarantee…….



Patientia est a donum superum

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 12:53

msg 16,deecyprus4;



"Why don't we ask what the TC's want...it is their country ...not ours! "



Wait till mmmmmm comes back............

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 13:01

Troodo,

The EU have been promising to uphold TCs rights since 2004,

Paul.

elko2



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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 13:08

If the big powers allow us to do what we like, personally I would prefer to join Turkey. I know that most Turkish Cypriots will not like this but to me its the best solution. We will send a couple of MPs to Ankara and get rid of the other local politicians. Then this country can prosper again.

ismet

Troodo


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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 13:08

newlad.



Well they have just proved that to be a joke.



Patientia est a donum superum

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 13:44

msg21 I Totally agree with you ISMET.If I wanted to be in the EU there are plenty of countries to choose from..As for TC's not wanting to be part of Turkey,I would say that they OWE their safety and improved infrastructure in the main part to Turkey ..and therefore should be more grateful.

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 14:01

Troodo,

Mess 22 A leopard never changes its spots,

Paul.

Tiggy


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Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 14:05

Yorg....we will here all about THE RUMP then!..... I like the short reply's....not mmmmmm's!! (bless him)



NC is a country now and will be staying that way. SC can only blame themselves for starting the problem and being totally inflexible in a settlement.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 14:47

'Moslem States such as Syria, Iraq, etc. Fine with me,



Are you serious ?. You would not wish to live under any of these regimes and if you think association with them will be better for Turkey than with France or Germany,fair enough,but remember Turkeys exports to EU are 17% more than it imports. 17% is a huge deficit in Turkeys favour. Even if you counted every moslem country in the area being in the confederation there is no way these countries could replace the 60% of Turkish exports presently taken in by the EU.



Turkey is secular and they have enough problems keeping it that way without importing Moslem fundamentalism via a Moslem Confederation.



As for the broken EU ,Britons have been hoping for that for 10 years ,it hasnt happened yet and never will. The Northen EU countries are strong enough to weather the storm.The German economy is growing.



As for giving up EU rights, you dont have any in NC ,Union with Turkey is the way to go ,but with EU agreement.

blade


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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 15:19

For me no i wouldn't.

I think peoples answers depend on what they personally have to loose.

Geoff


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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 15:22

Turkry is already negotiating with Iraq etc, I don't think the Israeli killings of Turks on the humanitarian boat bound for Gaza helped.

Geoff

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 18:50

I do not think the North should become a part of Turkey, period, for the brit everything would go up in price, 1 year residence cost you 1000 lira each, and the same as here 3/4 years to get your tapu if not longer, lovely place to visit but the feeling is they do not want the brit's there.





Robert

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
22/10/2010 19:53

elko2/msg 21: ' We will send a couple of MPs to Ankara and get rid of the other local politicians.'



I guess you know who are the 'maggots in the block of cheese', then!!!

newscoop


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Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 20:38

Why would anyone want to be a part of a country that is heading for severe Islamification?



Can't wait to see the Brits in Burkhas and headscarfs!

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 21:03

In answer to the original post, YES, things cannot get any worse and I do love it here

hal9000


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 21:46

So how would this unification with Turkey happen? The TCs democratically vote to give up everything they've fought for over the last 35 years and somehow attach themselves to one of the Turkish provinces - Mersin, perhaps? I think we all know that ain't gonna happen, given the feelings of TCs towards mainland Turks!

Or the Turkish government unilaterally declares that the area of the (now EU) country it "invaded" 35 years ago is now a part of Turkey - force majeure perhaps. The international backlash would be horrendous!

I'm sorry to say it, but I can't see the failure of the talks resulting in any major change; the local politicians on both sides will go on pretending to the world that they want unification while doing everything they can to avoid it.

natalie


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Posts: 323

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 22:36

hal900, you quote 'given the feeling of TCs towards mainland Turks' Without Turkeys imput over the last godknows how many years, just where would the Tcs be now.? Nowhere is the answer and I personally feel the TCs are in for a big shake up and they are not going to like living in the real world very much, but it has to come. The days of sitting round the coffee shops idlying there time is coming to an end.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 08:57

I think the TC people have paid a massive price for Turkeys help.

They continue to suffer because of Turkeys actions. Why should the TC people be punished for things which Turkey do.?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 09:41

Let us get a grip of the situation:

1. Cyprus is of great importance for Turkey for her safety because of its strategic position. The welfare of TCs come second.



2. Turkey spent a great deal of money on infrastructure in TRNC and still pays over half of the public expenditure including salaries.



3. All TCs can become citizens of Turkey overnight if they so wish.



4. Turkey did not spend a penny in TRNC in order to create jobs and stops imports from TRNC one way or other.



5. TRNC local administrators have been very irresponsible in the past aided and encouraged by Turkey. Some civil servants retired at the age of 23. They stopped it later but the damage was done. Civil servants have salaries about 2-3 times the private sector, hence private sector has no chance to survive. All money from Turkey goes to civil servants and none to creating new jobs.



6. Now the financial squeeze from Turkey is on and the private sector is on the point of collapse. Now is the time for overall privatisation and the wages slashed to half or even a third. Most businesses are changing hands from TCs to big businesses from Turkey. All the new hotels belong to peole from Turkey and they bring their cheap labour with them.



Thus the scene is set for TCs to throw in the towel and join with Turkey. Having seen the quality of TC adminsitration, I believe that in the long run TCs will be far better off to be part of Turkey. Our economy will be resurrected on sounder grounds. The private sector will flourish again. the only obstacle to a union is the international climate. So as an interm solution we will carry on as an independent state but integrated with Turkey once the local administration is largely in the hands of people from Turkey. That is the next step.

ismet

hal9000


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Posts: 154

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 11:21

Well put Ismet.

No huge change, as most expats seem to expect, but more of the same with a subtle shift in who holds the reins. Look at the long term view; that's the Ottoman way

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 13:12

Spot on Ismet.



About time realism crept into the TRNC mindset.The TRNC has proven it will not /cannot change its ways. Time for big daddy to tell the wayward teenager that Daddy cannot afford to throw money at a pampered and spoilt kid for ever ,and for the trnc's own good it is best that they become part of Turkey. The expats and TC beemer drivers might complain,but the majority of TC's ,who are not part of the gravy train will I believe be better off. After all, if there is total economic collapse ,they are the ones that will be left, the expats can return back to the UK and the wealthy (cockney) TC's can return to London with their dosh.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 13:16

apc message 1:



how can "never ending" talks either fail or succeed?



a vital question is what you personally understand as "fail" or "succeed"

eg., would you not consider that the 2004 talks "succeeded",

even if the referendum resulted in a clear "no" vote by most cypriots?



as regards the trnc becoming a formal province of turkey,

it sort of was from 1974-1983, as a turkish federated state, wasn't it?



creeping turkification of north cyprus and the re-colonisation of karpaz:

well this can be partly attributed to the isolations and a total failiure to

compromise on the "cyprus issue", that seems perfectly obvious to me



and the end of the latest talks will sound the starting shot for the 2011

"blame game" especially as it may offer political benefits for gc leaders



for ex-pats, their position is brighter since the ECHR started "re-directing"

property claims back in march, pensions are paid with inflation upgrades:

this will continue whatever turkey does



andre

girne 29


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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 13:35

Blade

Message 35



Dont get you.



The mainland Turks paid for NC with their blood when coming to its aid.

They have paid handouts ever since ,a good proportion of which has enriched a small proportion of the population to a measure beyond the wildest dreams of the average Turkish taxpayer.



Far from the Turks being responsible for the TRNC's plight it is the TRNC themselves.

No one in Turkey is responsible for the destuction of tourism, look at the Turkish tourism industry ,second to none.

It wasnt Turkey that forced TRNC to destroy a viable property market with greed and criminality.

Far from moaning about Turkeys influence now or in the future, I think the average TC wakes up morning giving thanks that the Turkish taxpayer is so patient.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 14:23

blade

Message 35



....you say that the turkish cypriots suffer under turkey



would they be any better off under the greek cypriots?



andre

martinD41


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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 14:43

msg 40 Well said, my sentiments entirely....TC's who are anti- Turkish, should remember that their lives and the lives of their parents in some cases were saved by the "VOLUNTARY BODYGUARD"which is Turkey.The TRNC is a young country with "MUCH" to learn and a limited time in which to do it...Becoming part of Turkey may not be such a bad thing ........I can think of many WORSE scenarios...

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 15:57

Here we go again.....................



Alot of ex-pats with nothing better to do.....

As for Britts...........well,they are here to rescue the Cypriots once again.....just like the old days....1955,1963,1974......

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 16:03

msg 42;



>>"TC's who are anti- Turkish"<<



Britts whom are anti-English.



At the age of 60(assuming by your profile),perhaps you should think before...............

apc2010


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Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 16:04

would the remaining minority of t/cs want to be part of turkey ..???

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 16:06

msg 44 cont.



All above applies to msg 40 as well.



WHY?

What the f**K do you know?????????

martinD41


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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 19:33

msg 46 Surely it would be better if you explained what you see for the future of the TRNC... Expletives mean nothing.....

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 21:34

msg 47;

>>"Expletives mean nothing"<<



Especialy coming from third party do gooders that has not got a clue about Cyprus but keeps coming up with load of garbage that has nothing to do with Cypriots for 'their' own selfish benefit/s.



If you are not a Cypriot keep your nose out of Cyprus problem.

Blackpoolfan


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Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 21:44

Why bother arguing, the locals know best at the end of the day its their country and we are a guest!!! God how many times have i heard that.

I wouldn't offer an opinion because i dont have one and i am a guest!! It seems to me the "Locals" are right because its their country.

So as the man say's "Keep your nose out" Leave it to the TRNC government to sort out oh F**k we are all Doooomed man the boats

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 21:52

msg 49;

If you dont like it the way out is exactly the same way that you came IN.

None of you are out here for the purpose of sorting out Cyprus problem,since especialy most of you know nothing about it.



Perhaps,you should concantrate on sorting out UK......whoooopppps I mean Israil..........

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 22:01

message 45:



but your alternative is .........?



andre

apc2010


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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 22:06

not my place to suggest ....perhaps an individual state ....???? msg 51....



rather than a province of turkey...

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 22:08

Message 50,

Ditto.

proger1



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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 22:23

yorg, part fo the reason I would like to see some sort of resolution is to at least stop all the know it alls from chirping on with their unfounded opinions about something that as you said, they know nothing about.



I don't know where my football team will end up in the league at the end of the season but I hope for top and will even be willing to place a bet on it, would all of you self proclaimed experts about the Cyprus situation be willing to bet a substantial amount of money on the future decisions, I doubt it, those that have done so are pretty much waiting to find out whether they chose correctly and all these assumptions are just annoying.

If and when you become a senior member of any of the authoritive groups involved in the situation and you can legally inform the world about what is happening then please do so, until then please shut up.

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
23/10/2010 23:51

Message 54,

End of thread then??? But in part you are correct, the only people who know are the people who will make the final decision and only a select few will know what that is.



Yorgozlu,

With respect you can sit on your horse of Troy above the rest of us guests, and profess to know this and that about the TRNC and be critical about "Johnny Foreigner" but i guess you just speculate like the rest and perhaps "Johnny Foreigner" could turn round and use one of your statements and say "What the F**k do you know????"

proger1



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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 00:12

Bpf, didn't really expect the thread to end just because I said shutup to those people who are not in high authority positions however if it does then I will be happy. I realise that the forum is a good debating tool and people consider it an opportunity to express their opinions of what might or might not happen however there are many subjects that are approached on here with what appears to me to be an attitude of if I were in charge then I would do !!!

It reminds me of either a bunch of 6 year olds whispering to each other under a makeshift tent which is actually a sheet stretched over two dining chairs or the picture that really springs to mind is a group of elderly gentlemen playing dominoes in the local working mens club with their half of shandy and a nip of whiskey stating things like "well, if it where up to me, I would throw them all in jail and let them sort it out between them, that's how it were done in my day and we are all fine"

Stupid I know but just as useful on here

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 03:03

>>>"girne29 wrote

The mainland Turks paid for NC with their blood when coming to its aid.



They have paid handouts ever since ,a good proportion of which has enriched a small proportion of the population to a measure beyond the wildest dreams of the average Turkish taxpayer.







Far from the Turks being responsible for the TRNC's plight it is the TRNC themselves.



No one in Turkey is responsible for the destuction of tourism, look at the Turkish tourism industry ,second to none.



It wasnt Turkey that forced TRNC to destroy a viable property market with greed and criminality.



Far from moaning about Turkeys influence now or in the future, I think the average TC wakes up morning giving thanks that the Turkish taxpayer is so patient."<<



>>"Elko2 wrote



2. Turkey spent a great deal of money on infrastructure in TRNC and still pays over half of the public expenditure including salaries"<<



Does any of you know how many Turkish citizens under either 'work permit' or '

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 03:21

msg 57 cont.;

'tourist' statuos are living/working in TRNC,legaly or illegaly and supporting their families in TURKEY?

They are most certainly more then US now.Only couple of months ago 1300 workers were brought over to work in a newly opened 7 star hotel.

In a very small place of about 250.000 population with a very little economy,not to forget all the isolations and embargoes,the financial support coming from Turkey is in fact very little against the amount going back there.Not to forget why on earth there are still need to have 40.000 troops on the island.No wander WE are refered as the 'accupied' part of the island by the rest of the world instead of TRNC when Turkey can be here in 10 minutes against any odds this time of the day.

It should be a 'parent/s-kid' situation.After certain age you must releise them to get on with their lives,only to be there to SUPPORT them when neccesary like any parent/s WOULD.

We,Turkish Cypriots refer to Turkey as our MOTHERLAND for above reason

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 03:39

msg 58 cont.;

....s.Perhaps 'you' should know all this before accusing us of being 'anti-Turkish'.

My step doughter wants to go back to UK for her own reaons,where my wife and I don't want her to,but we've decided to releise her before she hates us for the reason of,at least she can come back to us when /if she needs to.It's called FREEDOM/HURRIYET,last word Mel Gibson screems before being be-headed and I went through great deal of pain to have it tattoed on my chest.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 03:51

Turkey does not and never did give a toss about the TCs safety or prosperity. It would be wrong to deny the economic help they are currently having to dish out to TRNC but it is no more than a very small proportion of what they spend on a small province. And as Yorgozlu rightfully states - most goes back as input for Turkish producer/exporter. They have actively and TACTICALLY destroyed any hard working TC manufacturer / producer, not to mention what was left of the farmers,

To put the record straight, if Turkish politics favored taking care of the TCs, they would have objected to the original Acheson plan which offered them a military base in Karpaz and 2-3 small enclaves for self administered minority TC areas - at the same time giving the lease of the island to Greece and Greek Cypriots! Thank God Greeks and GCs said No! See: http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/2009/07/acheson-plan-for-partition-of-cyprus.html

CONTINUES BELOW

bigOz


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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 04:13

As for TCs being grateful to Turkey for their existence, I beg to differ! Turkey is almost encircled by Greek islands claiming rights up to Turkish coastline. Cyprus becoming Greek would confide Turkish waters to almost nothing! This was and still is the major factor pushing Turkey to support TRNC.

The reason they found grounds to invade North Cyprus in 1974 was the persistent resistance and claim to their ethnic origin by the Turkish Cypriots. Decades of putting up heroic fights against all odds, resisting Greeks. Luckily our enemy was cowardly, and did not have the balls to make the final push.

Where was Turkey until 1963 almost hundred years after they sold us to British? Had it not being for TCs sticking to their ethnic traditions, language and roots - there would not have been any TCs left to be partners in the Republic! Those were true TCs who identified themselves with Cyprus & refused to return to Turkey. If anything Turkey owes a lot and should be grateful to Turkish Cypriot

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 05:14

in fairness their was not many t/cs left at that time in comparision to mainland ,



1972 78,000 t/c , according to census.....



in the big scheme of things , not a amount for a government/country to worry/court votes about....

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 07:31

the trnc can call tself what it likes an can link itself to turkey if it wants - but the gc's ain't gingto let go - there will be no direct flights, eu membership or fee trade if they have anyting to do with it....



thats how it is and that's how it will be



big macs - not macbonalds...............

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 07:58

" according to census.."



Well as they had a morbid suspicion of the census it may well be a less than accurate figure.. and the G/C push to reduce numbers ... well we all know where that was heading... Oh we don't all know that as the GC youth are still being pedalled the convenient 'truth' about the GC intention and actions leading up to 1974...

Groucho



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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 08:59

Should be 'peddled' vice 'pedalled'

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 09:11

yorgozlu/msg 58:



An excellent posting - you tell it like it is.



If the 40,000 odd Turkish troops cleared out tomorrow, it would make all the difference as to how the outside world's opinion about both Turkey and TRNC. By keeping the troops here, Turkey is, in effect, holding TRNC and the TC's hostage - but they obviously realise that.



Also, if the Turkish troops departed, the Greek Cypriots wouldn't dare to attack, because they know what a bl**dy good hiding they got last time - they'll never forget that, and that's why they're still grizzling and moaning and carrying on.



As yorgozlu rightly points out, the Turks can be here in ten minutes and be able to strafe the sh1t out of any GC who pokes his head over the hill!



Finally, if the Turkish troops bailed - think of how many more beaches the locals, we expats and the tourists would have to go to. This, alone, would encourage hitherto reticent tourists to come to TRNC.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 09:40

So, Ismet's last paragraph msg 36,makes him the only TC on the Island that thinks unifying with Turkey is, in the long run, the best way to go.......Surely not

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 10:12

Long overdue, they should have done this in 1975, all the fuss would be over now and we would be a real Mersin 10.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 10:58

msg 67;



>>"So, Ismet's last paragraph msg 36,makes him the only TC on the Island that thinks unifying with Turkey is, in the long run, the best way to go.......Surely not"<<



...yet again not wanting to see/understand......



For your records........WE don not know NO different because WE have been locked up for the past 36 years like some parents DO to their kid/s in case WE do something wrong.

As for Ismet abi;May god let us have him as long as possible so we can get all the true/right advice/s from him.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 11:01

msg 68;



>>>"Long overdue, they should have done (what?) this in 1975, all the fuss would be over now and we would be a real Mersin 10."<<



Without OUR consent.......

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 11:25

Quote: (apc2010) "in fairness their was not many t/cs left at that time in comparision to mainland,

1972 78,000 t/c, according to census"

I was one of the people who HAD TO travel to UK during 70s because, having attended The English College in Lefkosa, & educated in English we had no chance of doing A levels and getting into a UK Uni. We could not get into Turkish Uni's becz (a) one had to attend the Turkish Lycee & study relevant subjects in Turkish, (b) TCs were highly likely to have a close relative in UK than in Turkey! The latter meant that even those who did not wish to go to Turkey and finished the Lycee ended up in UK! The third important reason was the political climate in Turkey at the time! Left/Right divide between students and Socialis/Capitalist arguments, stopped anyone from serious study. It was constant violence at Uni's.

CONTINUES BELOW!

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 11:26

Dear yorgozlu.....Are we to be chastised for our thoughts without you sharing "your hopes" for the future of "YOUR" TRNC....??

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 11:26

Mess 70 Annexed North Cyprus

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 11:39

As for the graduates? No industry, no money, no job opportunities in Turkish enclaves so for the future of their new family they decided to stay abroad where they could work. I remember a time when many young who stayed here could not even afford to get married - hence many girls were married off to TCs living in London (who came over for holidays). It was either that or get married to live at mum & dad's place! I remember when a doctor or a lawyer protested by displaying his Uni Diploma & selling nuts from a stall at popular Girne Kapisi in Lefkosa

Exodus as such being the case for 2 decades, the average age for TCs was in mid 40s by early 70s. My father was a ranking policemen and I know for a fact that 75 % of the police force was over 40! Another 10 years and Turkey would not have found any TCs to save in Cyprus! Thanks a million to EOKA-B and Greek junta who were blind to facts and acted in haste. Few more years and the whole island would have become Greek quietly.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 12:18

"Few more years and the whole island would have become Greek quietly."



do you mean Greek Cypriot or Greek proper?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 12:40

Probably the *GC's would have got their eternal wish - 'ENOSIS'!



Soon they'll be seeing Turkey gaining *THEIR long hoped for 'ENOSIS' - that'll make 'em start swearing in church - even louder!

jiya12


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 13:16

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measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 13:45

Lifes all about opions my opion as allways been that the TRNC should become Turkey and stay out of the EU.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 15:25

msg 73;

.......and you think,it is as simple as that?????WE DO count you know?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 10:04

Why did I know who the last poster on her would be and what a little minx!!

zcacmxi


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 10:18

The talks HAVE failed many times since 1974, and as a result North Cyprus has got closer & closer to Turkey.



There is & was no other choice. UN / EU / UK won't deal with TRNC and actively block any trade. No mail, no calls, no flights allowed, no trade, etc.



If the talks fail again, or the GCs say NO in AGAIN in another referendum then what choices do the TCs have?



The facts:



1) UN has a number of resolutions agains TRNC and Turkey and TCs.

2) EU has effectively criminalised TRNC property ownership.

3) UK has blocked direct flights despite many attempts and court cases.



I believe the TCs & TRNC have no choice other than to give up wasting more time and energy on relations with EU/UK and work to improve relations with their nearest neighbour and supporter Turkey.



TRNC will have to be the Guernsey/Jersey for Turkey... Offshore banking, gambling, tourism, etc. In effect, UK/EU are pushing TCs in to this.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 18:50

"if the talks fail"...



to misquote prince charles, it all depends on what you mean by fail or succeed

if you can think in terms of an agreement instead,

no there is nothing on the horizon except the status quo



on the other hand since cristofias is supposed to have said "no means YES"

after the annan fiasco, I could justifiably claim that failiure in the talks means

SUCCESS for north cyprus, as far as security and freedom are concerned



andre