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TiaraDanielle


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I currently live in Canada and engaged to a North Cypriot who has his heart set on moving back to Cyprus. I am currently in school to get my degree in Executive Office Administration, therefore I need feedback on if there are many positions available in this career? I am looking for anything from a position in a school to doctor's office to businesses. Preferably, a school. Also, if anyone knows approximately how much someone in these careers would make annually. If I am not asking too much lol Thanks! =)



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Hope you are also taking an intensive course in Turkish!



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If you can find a position 800-1000 UK pounds would be about right per month, as said above the ability to read and write Turkish would help a lot.



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Not wishing to deflate you but jobs for ex-pats are like hens teeth here....but I wish you luck.



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You would be best advised to stay in a civilised country like Canada, where soon you will earn a salary whereby you can afford to jet off to the sun. Please tell your Turkish Cypriot fiance that he is merely suffering a bout of misplaced nostalgia due to the onset of winter!



You would find it most difficult to get any sort of a decent job - practically impossible unless you were a married couple. TRNC laws don't cater for 'partners'!



Presumably, your fiance will need to work, as well. Unless he has close relations in the 'rich club', he can forget about getting a decent job, or salary. There are already too many waiters - many of them with university qualifications, yet no chance of any work in their chosen fields.



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Unless you are fluent in Turkish and can get in a government job (impossible until you get a kimlik card) the salary of 800 - 1000 pounds is a little unrealistic. As a forienger you may get the minimum wage which at the moment is 1237tl a month roughly 550 anything on top of that will be a bonus. There are not many (if any) jobs for non Turkish speaking people, and in general jobs are hard to find. Like post no 5 says unless you have relations in the right places it will be extremely hard if not impossible to find a decent job here. The only place you may obtain that sort of salery is working on the 'dark side' (South side) if you can find a job there.

good luck with whatever you choose.



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Tenakoutou;



Nothing beats HONESTY.

ps.by the way,he is not Turkish Cypriot but Cypriot Turk! Or so I've been told.



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Sorry Denise it is not unrealistic at all. I know of two local office admin jobs that were filled very recently in Girne area one at 800 and one at 900 both for 5 day week. I do think you are very correct however in your point about non Turkish speaking, both the posts I knew about were for bi-lingual applicants only, with experience.



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yorgozlu/Msg 7:



I like your style, too, sport!



I'm b*ggered if I'm going to *kotow to A.J., just cos he's decided to 'put the cart before the horse'!



*pronounced 'cow-tau'. [Chinese custom of touching ground with forehead as a sign of worship or absolute submission.]



Better the Canadian TC guy hops down to the shop and buys a snowmobile for his bucks, rather than a coupla air tickets to TRNC - then they'll both have all fun and no hassle!!!



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msg8 yes i agree, if you are bi-lingual and have certain experience then the chances are better, job wise and salary wise. i was mainly referring to the standard English speaking forienger here.



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I'd advise a long holiday/fact finding trip to the TRNC first before making any plans to emigrate.



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I agree with Denise, it is very unusual to find a job paying wages around the 1,000 pm mark, for a 5 day working week, unless that is with commissions, like an estate agents for example or one of these dodgy call centres that have arrived here. The other area's of employment that pay higher than most are working in a solicitors office.



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Re 12: or for the Government!

Geoff



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message 5



Are you saying that North Cyprus is uncivilised ?



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Re 14: No, protectionist.

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Re. Msg 5:



Are you saying it is?



If so, compared with where - Zimbabwe?!



Get yourself embroiled with litigation here and you might change your mind.



Ask yourself this: which civilised country allows mortgages and memorandums to be taken out on what is clearly freehold property, and when not repaid, allows these propeties to be auctioned and the rightful owners evicted?



TiaraDanielle


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Thank you for answering my questions. Honestly, not relocating is not an option, he was born and raised in Cyprus and his whole family is living there. We plan to visit in May so that I am able to get a feel for the lifestyle and so that we can start making plans. I guess I did forget to mention that I am currently learning Turkish and will be taking classes as well. I have another question; which type of jobs are opening for someone with an education in administration? I would really enjoy working in a school or hospital or health office of some sort, is this a possibility? Thanks again =)



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Honestly, not moving is not an option. He was born and raised in North Cyprus and his whole family is located there. I did forget to mention that I am learning Turkish and will be taking classes as well to make sure I am not going there uneducated. We will also be visiting in May so that I can get a feel for the lifestyle and so that we can start makaing plans. I just have another question; what type of jobs are open for someone with an office administration education? I would love to work in school, hospital or health care office, is this a possibility? Thanks again everyone =)



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You may find a job Danielle, but it will not be easy or well paid, also things will not be like Canada when you are here with his family, believe me!



TiaraDanielle


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Re: Msg 19, I realize that it is a different lifestyle, but in what ways are you meaning that it will be different with his family?



Tenakoutou



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Pugwash is absolutely right, Danielle.



I've only lived in Cyprus, North & South for 30 years, so no need to take any notice of me!



However, be warned, and these are the statistics: 95% of foreign girls marrying Cypriots, Greek or Turkish, end up in tears. I can't begin to tell you the number of cases I know personally.



Here is the guts of the situation - and I'm sorry if you and others don't like it, but 'honesty is always thebest policy'. The average Turkish Cypriot, or Greek Cypriot prefer to marry their own kind, and preferably to consolidate wealth by marriage; and this they have been doing for so long that, as a race, they have become extremely inbred, to the extent that many suffer from 'Thalassaemia' for this very reason. Nowadays, they try and marry foreign girls in order to mix the blood - unfortunately, there is almost invariably a clash of cultures, which inevitably ends in a 'parting of the ways'. That's OK providing the girl hasn't had children, but too many



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Yes I mean that you will not be treated the same as you are in Canada.



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Cont'd:



That's OK providing the girl hasn't had children, but too many times I have witnessed the Cypriot's family taking the child [ or children] and, between the lot of them, making the girls life so unbearable that she either leaves [ without her children], or they get her deported.



I know I'm going to be 'attacked' on this forum for telling the truth - but, PLEASE, PLEASE, BE WARNED!



Usually, how a Cypriot behaves when he is in Canada, Australia, or UK, is completely different to when he returns to Cyprus, where he is expected to behave and act like a local Cypriot - if he doesn't, he is usually ostracised by his family and 'friends'.



You are only young - please, if not for your sake, for your dear parents, I urgently request that you discuss the contents of this message with them and, obviously, not with your fiance, because he will simply deny all.



TiaraDanielle


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re: Tenakoutou, I completely understand where you are coming from in the sense that there are different roles for certain people there than there are here.. If I may ask, did you emigrate to Cyprus?



Tenakoutou



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I came to Cyprus [Republic/Greek side] in 1980. I'm a 'Kiwi', and my cobber and I were doing our 'BIG OE' [Overseas Experience] like you Canadians, Aussies and South Africans do. We worked the winter in UK, bought a Volkswagen 'Camper' [you say 'Microbus'] and took off across Europe in the Spring and ended up in Cyprus. Foreigners weren't allowed to work in Greece, the islands, or Cyprus - but we managed! My cobber had to go to Sardinia, as he was crewing a yacht, but I stayed in Cyprus and through an influential contact, landed a job for the government, teaching Cypriots how to set up and run watersports businesses. Until I retired from commercial diving, I was going to Australia on contract work, but always returning to Cyprus.



Anyway, that's enough about me - I simply beg you to consider such [retrograde] life-changing circumstances extremely carefully - you sound too nice a girl to fall victim of yet another nightmare scenario and odds-on statistic.



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Agree with Tenakoutou.



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message 16/Tenakoutou



I totally sympathise with the above mentioned senario, but that does not give you the right to brand North Cyprus or TC's as uncilvilised... You have obviously built up a lot of hatred towards NC & its people.



Tenakoutou



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There certainly was a group of TC's who connivingly destroyed our lives through your 'legal' system.



Otherwise, I have many TC, Turkish and Kurdish friends - we socialise regularly and all enjoy the best aspects of TRNC, but we're not bloody fools, we know exactly what's what, and also the changes needed to make this a great place to live!



Unfortunately, the political will seems to be lacking in order to bring this about.



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Tiara



I suggest that you make few trips to North Cyprus, have a good look around speak to ex-pats & also other Cypriots that have made the move to NC. You will then be able to make your own mind up about your proposed move.



Some people click some people don't, I know of many people that have managed to find work and are quite happily plodding along.



Make your own desicions, do what you want to do and never leave room for regrets in life....



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"ex-pats"?



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Sorry but I do not understand how after being in Cyprus for 30 years you managed to get yourself stiched up !



As you quote " we're not fools we know exactly whats whats " You came to the island in 1980, claim that you are some kind of expert on Cyprus & then after 30 years claim that your life has been ruined by Cypriot Turks.



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Ex patriots. Brits who do not live in the UK



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Stonehousepub/Msg 31: '....claim that you are some kind of expert on Cyprus & then after 30 years claim that your life has been ruined by Cypriot Turks.'



Firstly, where did I claim to be an expert on Cyprus?



Secondly, I wrote: 'There certainly was a group of TC's who....' - Does a 'group' mean ALL TC's? - Not to me!



Do I detect a tone of xenophobia from you? You're certainly doing your best to belittle me.



Please re-read the relevant message [28], then get off my case!



Tenakoutou



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Danielle:



'Stonehousepub' is recommending you [msg 29] 'to make a few trips to Cyprus' - he must think you are a millionairess 21 year old student! Alternatively, perhaps his knowledge of geography is slightly lacking!



For someone who so deliberately misquotes another person, it would pay to be extremely wary of his advice!



As for myself, I stand by every word of advice that I have attempted to give you and can only urge you to heed it. Just another thought: is it advisable to disrupt your education prior to achieving your goals on the whim of your fiance? Frankly, it seems that he is not taking your situation into account at all, but expecting you to drop everything in your life and taking it for granted that you will gratefully and humbly follow him to the other side of the world to face a life totally alien to your own culture and values.



I don't doubt his sincerity; but, unfortunately, I really doubt if you sufficiently know what you are letting yourself in for.



TiaraDanielle


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I appreciate your concern, but I do not consider myself naive. I plan to visit during my time off school and it had been decided that the move will not happen until I have completed my schooling and have gained experience. I am just trying to do some research to see what the administration job field is like in Cyprus before I attempt to seek employment. I have never been one to make irrational decisions, especially without knowing every aspect. I do plan on making as many visits as possible within the next few years to be sure I have a thorough understanding of what I am getting myself into. Although I do not doubt your experiences with the men you have encountered there, I love myself too much to put myself in a situation I am uncomfortable with. My fiancee knows and understands this. I really do want to thank you for letting me in on your experiences and your advice. It is much appreciated.



TiaraDanielle


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I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who offered their advice!! I am sure I will have more questions in the future! =)



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Things just get better once your married..go on just do it..then life here may not be so complicated..good luck for all you do and a very big welcome to the forum.





Best wishes





Spider,X



Stonehousepub


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Tenakoutou



I suggest you read the title of the thread and then read through your posts. Just because you may not be happy with all in the TRNC it does not mean that every single other person on the planet has to feel the same.



"claiming you are an expert on Cyprus" I have been here for 30 years so I should know attitude.



"there was a group of TC's who" in an earlier post you implied that NC is uncivilised, that in my opinion also brands it's people as an uncivilised community.



The difference is that I have advised Tiara without being biased, they are a young couple who for whatever reason want to make some changes in their lives and give NC a try.



Whereas you are insistantly scaremongering this person who you do not even know, making offensive remarks towards her fiance and Cypriot family ways, creating a false impression as if she is the poor girl is about to go to the gallows.



Corruption exists everywhere in the world as do con merchants..



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Stonehousepub



'Corruption exists everywhere in the world as do con merchants..'



Rather simplistic remark. like saying it rains everywhere in the world,Sure it does ,but hardly the same level in Libya as in the UK,

Corruption ,con men do not exist at the same level everywhere in the world and even if it did, the difference in NC is that unlike most of those other places ,fraud and corruption is legitimised.

You said in criticism of Tenakoutou the thread was about coming to TRNC, so its irrelevant if con men and corruption is worse in Nigeria or Zimbabwe or wherever.They arent looking to work there.



TiaraDanielle will be fine coming to NC ,if they work on T's advice ,Saying legal safeguards are the same as everywhere else is deadly

Keep up the good work Tenakoutou,with your misfortune I think you are in a better position than those that would wish to silence you , to comment on con men and corruption. Wish I had read what you had to say way back in the past.



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Like I have said, I sincerely sympathise with Tenekoutou's "misfortune" as you so rightly put it.



Cannot believe that you are being so narrowminded in suggesting that I am trying to silence T. Corruption and con merchants do exist all over the world and it is on a much larger scale in some of the more "civilised countries" so I do not understand what your problem is ? Your comparison usuing the weather is ridiculous.



Who do you and T think you are ? To make predictions and determine a young couples future in this way ? Making use of this forum to diminish other peoples hopes & dreams and at the same time being offensive to North Cyprus and its people.



The girl has made an enquiry about job opportunities on the island, she has not asked for a consultation with the mob of "misfortune".



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If you T or anyone else has been conned by the system than I am behind you all the way, but do not belittle the TRNC or its people because they have been conned & lied to by Europe and the powes of the the world all their lives.



Think before you post !!



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Re. Msg 41:



There you go again, 'Stonehousepub' - you persist in misquoting me; however, Girne 29 [thanks for your supportive & thoughtful msg!] and any other intelligent person can see that!



Can it be that you are a tad embarrassed at the level of blatant corruption, scam-mongering and racism going on, or are you paranoid?



Of course, out you come with the 'old potato' - it's all Britain's and everybody else's fault, past and present, that TRNC is in its current predicament.



While TRNC [and, of course, RoC] law does not conform with moral, decent and ethical standards and continues to violate its very own constitution, it will remain uncivilised in the eyes of the world - not just me, 'Stonehousepub'.



If you truly sympathise with my own and so many others horrendous experiences, just do a bit more research into what is actually going on - it might open your dim and blinkered vision.



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Most Cypriots have relations in the government - start making your voices heard - can't you reason why your economy is shrinking so rapidly.



All of us who live here fervently wish the best for TRNC and for your country to be successful. Unfortunately, we have no voice and no influence with the 'powers that be'; so, it is up to Cypriots themselves to become involved if there is to be any improvement.



Presumably, you own a pub; so you must know a lot of people from all walks of life - it's up to people like you stir up the Cypriot public sentiment in order to clamour for change.



For God's sake - Pauline Read is [allegedly] banned from making a silent candlelight vigil - and you call that 'civilised'!



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Danielle:



I am very impressed by your thoughtful and sensible attitude - excellent strategy on your part!



Of course I wish you and your fiance all the best!



Please post again if any further queries arise in your mind - no matter how trivial they may seem!



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message 42



" it's all Britains and everybody elses fault, past and present that TRNC is in its current predicament "



you said it....



You have been here for 30 years you should know...



No reason for me to be embarrassed, I grew up surrounded by corruption, scam-mongering and racism all my life in London...



It's been lovely debating this subject with you, obviously we will never see eye to eye, I have understood your issues but you seem to insist on not understanding why your comments on this thread have annoyed me.



Good luck with your fight for justice...



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I must congratulate Tiarra on seeking advice, all too often people don't and end up living in the nightmare of a complete culture clash, speaking little Turkish and dependent on the husband and his family especially when children arrive. Tenakoutou is absolutely right to sound a warning.



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Thanks, Hector - a man with a voice of experience and reason, as most forum members are aware.



Stonehousepub/Msg 45: 'No reason for me to be embarrassed, I grew up surrounded by corruption, scam-mongering and racism all my life in London...'



If you lived in the [Cypriot enclave] Alexandra Palace/Wood Green area - I'm not surprised!



If you are annoyed because you claim I insulted ALL Cypriots and TRNC, please quote the precise text where I wrote this. You really are a champion when it comes to misquoting!



Thank you kindly for wishing me well in 'your fight for justice' - however, I can't afford to 'thow any more good money after bad' in trying to obtain my 'Kochan' and rightful ownership of the pre '74 Turkish Title house property that I have paid in full for.



I suppose you consider the covert scam of PTP refusal 'civilised', too?



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I am a Turkish Cypriot/Cypriot Turk.

I am in my second marriage.

My wife is Irish....and SHE is the BEST thing that ever happened to me.



ANYONE wishes to speak to my wife about the HELL of a life in Cyprus go to my profile and exchange details.

There is good and bad in all nations and as you may well know,I dont think much of most Britt ex-pats in TRNC.



POWER TO THE PEOPLE



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Tenakoutou;

msg47



>>"I suppose you consider the covert scam of PTP refusal 'civilised', too? #"<<



Surely you know it is not the TRNC government that decides on that!



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stay there................



comparing canada to the TRNC is like comparing the black and white part of the wizzard of Oz to the colour part........................





you must be bonkers...................



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stonehousepub

My' ridiculous 'comment about weather was showing you that I consider your statement to be of a similar nature. You dont get it ,its the level of corruption we are on about not its existance ,and the lack of recourse to law that you should warn about,and that lack of recourse to law is not' everywhere else' in the world.



Discrimination worse in the UK, rubbish.Did you have to renew your residency every year in the UK,does it take you 6 years to gain citizenship.Did you pay more in the UK for goods and services than I did, as normal practise?. I wont even mention the benifit system.



Some people might say its gone to much the other way when it comes to people settling in UK.



I did not say YOU were trying to shut up T ,I said THOSE that have told him to keep quiet in the past, a self evident fact over the years.



UK has been away for 30 yrs, grow up NC , The corruption,litter,tourism mess, property is all down to yourselves.not UK ,ROC, Turkey or Greece.



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You are a star !!"cypriot enclave" You now imply that Cypriots in London are corrupt, scam-mongering racists !! I suppose you will now again say that I am misquoting you... I was born brought up and lived in Purley all my life actually.



Read what you write !!



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Sal

Message 48:

'and as you may well know,I dont think much of most Britt ex-pats in TRNC.'





Well we have something in common then.



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You must think I am a Bulgarian or Albanian refugee or something. I was born in UK and have lived their all my life, my father was given a UK passport by your generous goverment and was told p**s off or fight Greek Cypriots in 1956.



I have never had to apply for citizenship in the UK but I do know that it takes just as long in the UK if not more, discrimination does exist in the UK and has done since the days of NO DOGS, NO BLACKS, NO IRISH !!



Yes I have personally experienced racism in the UK, I had various businesses in the UK and have probably contributed more to the UK tax system than you, and yes your benefits system is so superb that most people prefer sitting on their rump rather than going out to work infact its almost an incentive to not work !!



I agree litter is down to the islands residents as many other day to day things BUT if you think tourism, corruption or property is controlled by Cypriots then I am sorry to say... you must be in a trance !!



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Tiaradanielle came on this forum to ask help about jobs in north Cyprus notto get negative responses on Cyprus and the Cypriots.

Firstly Danielle I would suggest you come a few times tp Cyprus to see how you like it. Yes money is not as good as in Canada but of you both have a job it should be ok. There are English schools or new hospitals that may need English speaking admin. You just need to research once you are here. Good luck with it all and enjoy ;) you can contact me of you need any help.



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Message 53,

Ditto



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message 55



jaymatt..... BRAVO !!



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Secondly I don't like the posts regarding what Cypriots are like. My dad is a Cypriot and mother is german, my father is from a family of 6 where 5 of the siblings are married to foreigners with no problems. We all now live in Cyprus and I am now married to a Cypriot who was born In Cyprus and he is the 1st in his family to marry a foreigner we are very happy and his family love me! There can be problems with all races not just Cypriots! I have been here 7 years with no problems and have never heard of children being taken away from their mothers! So Danielle please don't worry!

There may have been problems with thelassemia in the past but now they test all couples getting married in Cyprus if one of u are Cypriots !



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If the country is so uncivilised then don't live here!!



Good luck Danielle.. Let us know how u like Cyprus when u visit in may ;)



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Jeez, i bet you wished you never asked, Tiara, im married to a Turkish cypriot,i have never encountered problems with his family,they treat me like royalty and ive never had any problems with any locals here,like jaymatt,i have never heard of children been taken away from mothers, but as other posts say, visit a few times,learn turkish and you should be ok, all the best



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yorgozlu/Msg 49:



So, why in 2005 was 'no PTP for foreigners on pre '74' TT' decided? There were still 45,000 Turkish troops on TRNC soil prior to 2005.



Why were not intending foreign buyers informed, or prevented from falling into the trap. I would have been satisfied to be told 'No, the reason why,' and to have received a refund. I would never have bought 'Esdeger'.



Why has the military, according to so many sources, allegedly denied their responsibility for refusal of PTP?



I realise and agree that pre '74 TT should be reserved for TC's, unless they were exercising their constitutional right to sell their properties. But I, like so many others, were lied to with those familiar words: 'Don't worry, PTP is only a formality!'



Some formality - some pack of lies!



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msg 53/AJ

Dave,thats not the only thing we have in common.Be over to see you soon for that beer I owe you.



Cypriot Turk



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Tenakoutou;

After 30 years on the island perhaps you should know WE are controlled by Ankara!

Why do you think Mr.Erdogan now wants Turkish mainlanders(workers!) to be sent back to Turkey?



Certainly not because they want to clear the TRNC from invaders/immigrants/cheap labourers........

but because............if and when there is an agreement (some fat chance),Turkey then will have to pay these people to leave the island.



Same rule applies to land/soil................if and when there is an agreement Turkey will have to pay compensation for the land that isn't pre 74 Turkish title.

..............and if that day ever comes,with more or less no pre 74 Turkish title land left......



need I go on more?????????



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Hi Danielle



Email me at horseychickmms@hotmail.co.uk



I'll be happy to give you some advice as I was in the same situation when I moved here in May this year and I'm very happy and now have a job.



xxx



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yorgozlu/Msg 63: '..............and if that day ever comes,with more or less no pre 74 Turkish title land left......'



I do know the situation - obviously not nearly as well as you do, though. As you rightly say, there is no chance for a settlement between TC's & GC's - the GC Orthodox church will see to that. Also, the GC school kids are indoctrinated with hate and propaganda from the age they can stand up - probably from the cradle and push-chair!



I fully understand why the government wants to keep pre '74 TT exclusively for Cypriots, but they should never have allowed it to be sold in the first place, and it's only right that foreigners should have been, and now should be, told that they can never own such property. It's the sneaky cover up that I, and everyone else, objects to and I don't think it's unreasonable to be of that opinion.



If they wanted money, and they did, then they should have put in place some sort of lease arrangement - I would have been happy with that



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TiaraDanielle - I am also hoping to relocate to nc next year with my husband and was interested to read your post however since its been hijacked i'm keen to know if you have received any advice elsewhere.



I would also ideally be looking for an office based job although appreciate that may not be what I end up with!



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a job here - grow up



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Message 67 - thanks for the constructive advice i'll do my best ;-)



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Construction has come to a standstill here - perhaps you could offer the government some of your best advice!



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Don't take any notice of these negative people on the forum... They cannot understand us youngsters !! And we certainly will never understand them...



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Haha will try not to! Not sure about the youngster bit - does 33 qualify as being young?



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Most definately does, just guessing but the average age of ex-pats here in NC is probably 60...



I will probably get slaughtered now by the "mob"



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Lets hope not eh! Still i'm glad to hear that 33 still clarifies as young - hoping that still applies next month when i reach the rip old age of 34!



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icklepix - as long as you know the differences between North & South and how these will afftect you, your husband and children [if you have any], make your move - I hope it all turns out well for you!



Buy a property the minute you arrive here - you might be one of the lucky ones!



In fact, if you've got 300k burning a hole in your pocket, please buy my [Girne] property - 4 bed, 3 bath, 10x6 pool, summerhouse, mature garden with many ornamental and fruit trees, 1 donum plot, tarmac sealed private road - ALL amenities within walking distance!



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P.S. We're only selling due to urgent family committments in New Zealand.



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Tenakoutou - like to think we are not going in with our eyes completley shut, well aware its not gonna be an easy ride but hey if you dont give these things ago you will never know, if all works out then all good and if it doesn't then at least we can say we tried. No children so no childcare worries to sort out.



We are planning to rent as figure that is the best option but good luck with the sale of your property.



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icklepix



You have the right idea.. and as you say you have nothing to lose and you will always regret it you do not try !



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Tenakoutou you will not sell at that price as I am sure you really know, four beds however good 200-250 tops, and that is really tops.



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Come visit the island. Avoid the trashy stereotypes. Don't listen to the whinging pomes!



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Thanks Stonehouse, hoping to come out in February - whats the weather like?? guessing its not great!



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Pugwash/Msg 78:



You haven't seen the property, or the location.



What are you - a real estate agent?





Again, 'icklepix', good luck; and I hope your plans come to fruition!



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Hello Icklepix,

Welcome to the BearPit!

Last two weeks in February were lovely this year, when we came to visit, and buy!

Take the plunge! The water is lovely!

Good Luck,

Eddie & Tara



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Hello Tenakoutou,

Would you consider renting your Girne mansion?

Depending on the Lottery numbers in the next few months, I might even be interested in buying.

Seriously though, please e-mail the details to me.

Cheers,

Eddie



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Hi icklepix

We came in February 2006 .. 15th to be exact .. Wondered what we had come to .. Couldn't get electric blanket quick enough ..

It was cold & damp .. Doesn't last long though ..



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stonehousepub

' BUT if you think tourism, corruption or property is controlled by Cypriots then I am sorry to say... you must be in a trance !! '



UK ,ROC, turkey,EU,? The currents,the wind, Everyone but yourselves,

,

my builder was TC ,my lawyer was TC ,and my agent tho not run by .was owned by a TC.

The Govt is TC,no ?.All the presidents since trnc existed were and are TC. The Akfinans Bank ?



TC's have to grow up and stop this 'A big boy made me do it Dad', nonsence.



As for discrimination being worse in UK,you havent answered my question .Was your father charged a higher rate for goods and services than indigenous population as is routine in TRNC. Matter of fact you havent provided any example of discrimination. I once told an Bengali workmate who was complaining about not getting a job in the Norh Sea,that is must be great to be able to blame race.Me, I didnt get the job because I wasnt good enough .

My family is half Asian by the way,and can compare



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You obviously have the education and the savvy to get by - so find a niche and start your own business. Your TC fiance will be able to register a business here - do your own thing - just find out what is:

Wanted

Needed

Useful

and do it!!!!



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Thanks HotHippo, I've stopped by "the bearpit" many a time always good to hear others opinions, good or bad!!! Hoping we are lucky enough to have good weather when we come over in february and with any luck this time next year we should be over hopefully for the long term.



Harita - as cold as england or colder??



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Girne 29



Read the title of the thread and stick to it, if you are so anti TC & TRNC then just get on a flight and do not come back.



I've made my points you've made yours. If you believe that discrimination does not exsist in the UK and that people are not ripping eachother off all day long then just go back there...



ANKARA CONTROLS THE TRNC !! Get this into your head



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message 80



icklepix



Not the best time to visit, worst 3 months are Jan, Feb & early March, daytimes are generally nice but heavy rain is always expected, nights are cold mainly indoors because homes are not designed for winter temperatures.



For people like yourselves who are planning to relocate to the TRNC. its good as you get to see the island the winter... You will be able to think & make desicions more efficiently without the sun getting to your heads..



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Thanks Stonehouse for the sensible advice, thats exactly what we were thinking, at the moment its 5 degrees, grey wet and cold here in the south east so it looks like i'm being prepared for it!!! Pretty certain I can cope with a nice daytime temperature though!!!



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icklepix, give it a go. I'm sure it will be fine. Why don't you get a TEFL certificate before you come which will make the job search much easier. By the way message 12, it is perfectly possible to earn a 'decent' salary here.



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My message should have been directed at the original poster who is currently in Canada, but my advice stands for all.



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I know your message was for the original poster, but I was actually thinking of doing such a thing myself. I already have an English Degree, does it have to be TEFL or an alternative and how much easier would it make looking for work (tricky question I know)



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Mess 81, stop dreaming buy any property mag and look and compare. You can buy 4 bed with pool and a good position for 100,000 STG if you wish, of course circumstances make a difference, do you have your kocan? and are you on exchange or Turkish title? if exchange well we know the price band, if Turkish Title then you can only sell to a Turk or TC because of the ongoing PTP issues, so similar price problems, I am only being realistic not difficult Tenakoutou, I wish you well in your quest to sell.



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In msg 78 you wrote 200k to 250k - msg 94 you write 100,000 STG!



I bet you're a top bidder at 'Dutch Auctions'!



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stonehousepub



" if you are so anti TC & TRNC then just get on a flight and do not come back.







I've made my points you've made yours. If you believe that discrimination does not exsist in the UK and that people are not ripping eachother off all day long then just go back there... "



Stonehousepub

I trust you will do me the same favour and stay away from the UK .



I did not say discrimination does not exist in the UK, but as I said my family are half asian and I believe you exaggerate the discrimination to prove how much better the TRNC is.



As for leaving the TRNC ,my house is on the market as we speak,but not because you want me to leave.



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girne 29



I have not exaggerated the discrimination in the UK. I have only stated that it does exist and it always has done, it is not down to me to prove how much better the TRNC may or may not be, as each person is entitled to their own opinion. At the same time I am not saying that the TRNC is perfect but then again neither is the UK.



There are many examples of people finding happiness in the TRNC and of course some people like yourself and T who have been "misfortnate".



If your family is half asian then i'm sure they will be able to give you many examples of discrimination they have experienced in the UK. "yob culture & hooliganism" is i'm sorry to say a British thing.



I am afraid i cannot do you the favour of staying away from the UK. I travel to the UK 8-10 times a year as my whole family, friends, home & business are in the UK. I was born and brought up in the UK and at the end of the day for me UK is home.



Good luck with your sale!!



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Hi everyone ! Please do contact me if you have or hear about any full- or part-time opening, I really need to do something and whatever I do, believe me, I do it right. In the past I've worked as a cashier, cleaner, waiter, receptionist and even assistant manager in a shop.

I speak both English and French fluently and my Turkish isn't that bad. Here is my number: 0533 875 4096. Do call me if you have ANYTHING that needs to be done. I also have a graduate level education, so office tasks won't be a problem for me.



Best regards,



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Hi Tiara,



By now you may have noticed how some people on here can be well meaning, but also terribly negative and argumentative. I've just moved here and have been lucky enough to find a very good job, although the job was in place before I moved. I'm sure it's not that easy for everyone, I admit, but where there's a will there's a way. I'm sure most people on here are trying to be helpful but they can be so negative that it can put you off coming in the first place, which isn't fair. Don't be put off. If it really was that bad for everyone then people wouldn't be here! Tenakoutou was very negative when I first posted on this forum to ask advice about moving here. It seems he's had bad experiences and is just trying to warn people. But don't let it put you off, because different people = different experiences. Tiara, so long as you make sure there's a way out if you need it, you'll have no problems. Come and enjoy the more relaxed way of life and the better weather!



Nicky x



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I can't believe Tiara posted on here simply to ask for some general job advice, and ended up with her post hijacked and turned into an argument. If ever there was a negative advertisement for the TRNC... I experienced the same thing when I first posted, and ended up feeling patronised and as though I'd angered people. Neither nice nor fair, even if people are just trying to help.



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A point to ponder, I came here for four months to do a job for a company with its roots in Ireland, and now the company cant get me a work permit so I think I will be away home by the new year because they are still not issuing new perm its to foreign nationals



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I feel those magic words from Nicky. message 99 say it all!



"although the job was in place before I moved"



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Fair enough. But it sounds as though Tiara has time to find something before she moves. My other words (yes, I know the "equals" sign isn't a word) were: Different people = different experiences.



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