the worlds most influential woman

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 14:37

Thatcher has been voted the most influential woman.



She beat such people as Mother Theresa, Madonna and Oprah.



*2,000 women in the study

*conducted by mydaily.co.uk



Qualities associated with influential women are commitment, hard work, intelligence and independence.



to cyprus44



Who would you vote for and what qualities do you admire in an influential woman?



Another question, one aimed specifically at men. Do you find influential women attractive or not?

yenibob


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Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 14:39

My wife for putting up with me, failing that I would have to go with Maggie. For good or ill she changed the world.



PS, My wife is very attractive, not so sure about Maggie, but she is knocking on a bit

newlad



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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 14:57

I suppose Maggie was influential in sucking the life and blood from most of the pit villages in Britain,

Paul.

hwilde


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:00

newlad



They were already dead. She just gave them a decent burial.

newlad



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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Znn5a-88tY



Wonder if he still has the same views about Thatcher,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:11

Re mess 4,

Respect your view point,just cannot agree with it,

Paul.

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:32

Re : Msg 1,



Angela Merkel and Hillary Clinton.



Qualities: Intelligence, hard work, commitment and dedication, loyalty.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:39

msge 7 thanks for your input clarissa2



msge 6 come on Paul just answer the questions

Sundance


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:38

She did have the B*****ks not to run away from the Falklands, But as an army we could,nt take on a mission like that again on our own, Some brave young men never come home may they RIP, was it worth it?



Sundance

hwilde


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Posts: 230

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:19

Was it worth it? What a silly question.



There is more oil off the Falklands than in Saudi Arabia. It will transform the UK economy. The father of the current chairman of Desire Petroleum, who are drilling at this very moment, was in the room when the decision was made to take back the Falklands. Remember, Dennis Thatcher was a director of Burmah Oil, the previous incarnation of BP. They knew just what they were doing,

hwilde


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:25

http://www.desireplc.co.uk/

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:34

Msg 9 - it doesn't take any guts whatsoever to fire on a ship sailing away from you (the Belgrano).......

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:36

She was the only man for the job. Also my hero.

hwilde


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:40

MsGarnet



The Belgrano was about to sail over some shallows and the submarine could not follow. If the Belgrano had then got among the British fleet which was it's intention, the war would have been over and we would have lost with huge casualties. Why not try to understand the issues before talking total tripe.

yenibob


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Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:48

Military Background MsGarnet? Or just another bluffer?

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:56

Without doubt my Mum was the most influential women in my life!!!!

paulgeordie


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:59

There is absolutely no need for comments like yours . I am deleting your post

Simbas

Sundance


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 21:04

hwilde many young mens lives are worth more that any oil field, too many chilren left with no fathers and familys broken, Iv,been there,its not a pretty sight, is it worth the pride of this country yes (OIL No,)

Im still serving and coming to end with 42 years, seen too many body bags, but to me the Falklands was taken back for the pride of this great country, thats worth it.



Sundance

hwilde


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 21:13

The purpose of the armed forces is to defend the national interest. If the UK has access to oil in vast quantities then everyone is better off to an unimaginable degree. The governments first duty is to defend our interests and sometimes that involves force.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 21:17

I nominate Golda Meir.



Richard

Sundance


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 21:31

That may be the case , I know a few familys still from the Falkland war,I don,t know if that will make them feel any better, we were a band of brothers and still are, i was in fever of the recovery of the Falklands and still am, enough said. hwilde i respect your veiws and opinion



Sundance

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 21:44

It's a shame that the thread has become a slanging match, but hey I might as well stoke the fire.



A friend of mine served on the Sheffield. He lost friends in the Falklands. He has written a book on the event and now counsels his ex colleagues who still suffer the pain.

When I asked him about Margaret Thatcher he said to me "I have never met any man with such balls and courage as this woman."

Blackpoolfan


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Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 21:52

Message 12,

Read the history books before posting!!! otherwise you look a right numpty

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 21:54

Maggie Thatcher was a genius.



Biggest mistake was the poll tax, took on that idiot Scargill and his union and won was a bigger battle than the Falklands

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 21:58

Simon Weston I know well, he has the greatest respect for her x

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:04

To all, reference Falklands war, read Hansard pre 2nd April 1982 regarding change of rights of British passport holders to reside in the UK.



Richard

girne 29


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:09

hwilde



telling people they are talking tripe is just your way of saying you think they are wrong.



Where in the transcripts of the the meeting that decided to alter the rules of engagement and allow Conqueror to attack was shallow water mentioned.

It was done because the Belgrano could have turned round.

Later on Woodford stated that one of the MANY reasons he was concerned about the Belgrano was because she COULD have evaded Conqueror by going over the Burwood Bank,but the reason to attack was because Belgrano was a threat.



I read Burwood Bank is 150 - 600 ft deep , Conqueror submerged had a draft of 55ft.

Also Belgrano was 50 miles away when sunk. Far from attempting to remain on a war footing and try to return ,the crew of Belgrano were relaxed ,most were eating in the restaurant or resting ,which accounted for high casualty rate.



However I agree with you that it was justified, but not on 'talking tripe' jibe.Just possible we do understand as much as you

hwilde


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:35

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article537203.ece

hattikins


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:51

Newlad/Paul

totally agree with your sentiments about Maggie.

marydoll19


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Message Posted:
03/11/2010 23:51

A final word from me message 17 absolutely disgraceful and disgusting, soul





I have deleted part of your post , there is no need for that type of comment

Simbas

paulgeordie


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Posts: 1050

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 23:56

Ill be there wih that old **** then

shrimp


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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 00:46

possibly this thread has run its course now?

littlejohn


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Posts: 316

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 01:50

You thatcher lovers sound like a bunch of "tea party" activists - you are all bonkers !!! Message 17 is not unreasonable but message 30 ????

flowerfairy


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Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 02:30

Message 22, I totally agree. I served in the forces, trained to do a job. Fortunately for me, mine was in peacetime. When the Faulklands war began, in the news, the forces were asking for more pay, why?, during their training, they were earning good money,now they were about to put their training into realisation.

I know...lives were lost, but that is war, that is what you're training for.

Please don't think that I don't feel for the families that have lost loved ones, but if you join the forces, you train for war.

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 04:38

Msg 23, not agreeing with an opposing opinion shouldn't reduce an adult to being an inarticulate bully, what one should do, is state why they disagree. Adopting the male mantle in the way she did, demeaned the role of women, and families. She cancelled school milk; notwithstanding thousands of children attend school with empty stomachs, privatised (imo destroyed) rail, elec, water. Disapproved of Runcie asking us to grieve for Argentinian as well as British war dead (unconscionable - she is a mother, what if she had lost her gormless son)? over 700 Argentians to our 255 war dead. Section 28 debacle. Had 2nd lowest rating for post-war leader. Was stabbed in the back by her own Government to get rid of her. The poll tax riots. High unemployment. Encouraging upcoming generation to be avaricious, ending up debt ridden. Ruined NHS, it has never recovered. One could go on and on. I loathed the woman, and was on television saying so....................don't regret it one bit

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 09:01

For what my opinion is worth, there are obviously by this topic and the responses, differing points of view, and debate is healthy, however I personally am disgusted that someone/anyone can come on a public forum and wish someone dead is beyond comprehension, even though you might think it or wish it privately.

gazmufc78


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Posts: 366

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 09:01

Now MsGarnet --that about sums it up, end of!!

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 09:12

Maggie Thatcher got people of their bums and made them believe in themselves. People who had left school without qualifications she encouraged to go and do access courses to learn skills that they had never had before.



As to the poll tax, well, we in Scotland had it a long time before anywhere else and all in all it was a fairer tax than the one in place now. Hubby, myself and our oldest son had to pay as we were all working and even at that it worked out a lot cheaper than what we had to pay in council tax before we left the UK.



Message 36 I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, life is too short for all of us without wishing someone dead.



Chris

simbas



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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 09:19

Msg 17 edited

Simbas

simbas



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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 09:25

Msg 30 edited

Simbas

deputydawg


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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 10:10

Perhaps we should judge Margaret Thatcher's worth by her reputation throughout the world. For sure throughout Europe, USA and USSR etc she was greatly admired for her leadership and ability to get done what was necessary. Personally, I enjoyed watching her handbag all the European leaders in refusing to allow UK to be taken into some of their madcap schemes or be financially ripped off. The Iron Lady showed a compassion towards the armed services far exceeding anything before or since. In my years in the services when carrying out casualty procedures and notifications to MOD etc, this lady was always the first to get personally involved with their families and units. Woe betide anyone "in the system" who failed or was slow to bring all possible medical, welfare, and financial support to families. I was a patient of the same surgeon who cared for Simon Weston and I understand why Simon supports Margaret Thatcher.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:31

Margaret Thatcher = Genius!

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:49

On a slight tangent;

At the age of 11'ish I was summoned to my Father's Library to be informed by him that Mother would be coming in to discuss the details of human reproduction. He duly stood up, looked at me and said, "Son, word of advice, apart from your Mother all women are whores and treat them as such" and walked out of the room!

He was a University Lecturer with such words of wisdom!

Anyway, back to topic heading question. In my World, it has to be my Mother that had the greatest influence over me!



Richard

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 23:02

so far then, we have four nominations



*Angela Merkel

*Hilary Clinton

*Golda meir

*Brinsley (Richards) mother



Qualities for the first two nominations



Intelligence, hard work, commitment and dedication, loyalty.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 23:23

Please may I add to the list, purely for altruistic reasons, Tzipi Livni?



Richard

deputydawg


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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 23:42

I am missing something here. The initial post states that Margaret Thatcher has won the poll !

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 23:48

Msg 46

Your reading skills bear no bounds!

Who would you vote for and what qualities do you admire in an influential woman?







Another question, one aimed specifically at men. Do you find influential women attractive or not?



Richard

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 23:53

Okay, Msg 46, should be bare, wrong again!



Richard

Jessie


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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 23:55

Whilst not wishing her dead I certainly won't be shedding a tear. She did more damage to large parts of the country than Hitler ever did.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 00:12

well i have to admit i did admire her tenacity whilst not always agreeing her stance, however she did what it said on the tin.To me the world best would be mother theresa in our age but many greats were before

Pipie


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 00:34

Richard messege 43 . YOU NEED A SLAP !!

deputydawg


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 00:42

Brinsley, I find nearly all women attractive, influential or not Maybe strange for a bloke to say so but I believe there have been many world renowned, influential, women worthy of great admiration and respect. I would not take issue with any of the nominations above.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 00:43

whilst we are on this subject please spare a though or a vote on tenks page to spare a woman from a public hanging tomorrow, (today actually), i cant do links but she is a woman. She should have been stoned to death

Tomorrow, Iran could execute Sakineh Ashtiani.



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Sakineh's adultery case is a tragic sham stacked with human rights violations. First, she was to be stoned to death. But the Iranian government had to revoke the sentence after her children generated a worldwide outcry against the farcical trial -- she could not speak the language used in court,

bigOz


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 00:44

I wonder how on earth shew became a prime minister? Most of the people who woted her in, were the same ones who were students during early seventies, demonstrating with pankarts saying "Thatcher the Snatcher!". I remember too well because I was a student in Sothgate Tech College, and was a good left winger just like all the other long haired - flare trousered - Rolling Stone and Led Zeppelin fan student! Was she not the education minister who brought in education cut backs at the time?

I believe the most influential woman in the world is a tie between Cleopatra, Eva Peron, and Catherine II of Russia... Bar the latter - the first two I find extremely attractive!

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 01:21

bigoz i am so very sorry to disagree with you, and you know i love you. However my ex husband had his many business in wales, i can tell you the miners, the communities which served them all where so glad. My ex said to me on that night thank god wales will now go forward. Yes mines closed down as no money, communities had pensions, they would not have had. Men had health after the mines. The Valley people discovered Cardiff. please it was not all bad. Arthur whats his face did more to ruin it. After Simon Weston made it back then we all changed our view

bigOz


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 01:33

Lilli - I am still indifferent about Maggie's reign and never suggested she was not influential. I was merely wondering how on earth someone who was highly unpopular with a great majority of students in early seventies was voted in by the same who were clearly a good proportion of the voters a decade later.

As for union leaders, and Arthur Scargil - they all thought they were little Stalins! We as layabout students went along with the whole popular scene with a song and a dance.

They even had a song in the charts called "I'm a union man"! Maybe people soon change their social values once they are students no more and start to work for a living. In UK at the time it was very unfair. Only members of few unions could blackmail and get more wages. The white collars, office workers and everyone else who were not a member of a strong union had to suffer the consequences.

Jessie


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 01:47

Some truth in what you say lilli however the health benefits that may have arisen were incidental. You don't just close a mine you close towns villages and communities. Many mines were closed because they weren't making enough profits not because they were running at a loss. We now import coal at a greater cost. The health of miners never came into the equation the only real motive was to crush the unions with little if any thought given to the communities left behind and how they might recover. Scargills motives and tactics may have been wrong but everything he predicted turned out to be true. You won't find once proud towns like merthyr featuring very highly on any rich lists that's for sure.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 01:56

Still, lovely place Wales is! Been to North Wales 5-6 times and loved LLangollen, Snowdonia, Swallow falls, Port Merion (further South!) - I even drove to the bit where it is closest to Ireland (forgot what its called now). I loved the slate walls and structures but the real surprise was just how friendly and helpful the locals were with the visitors! Lovely people.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 03:36

msg 57.....sums it up.



The blue rinse brigade are out in force again!

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 03:49

Msg 42 - what a pointless post - to mean what you say, you have to say what you mean!!!!!!!!!!!!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 22:09

How can Madonna be classified as influential. It beggars belief.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/11/2010 22:21

MsGarnet. Message 60.

Almost at a stroke Margaret Thatcher (cleverly and indirectly) ’solved’ that enduring labour relations problem by decoupling ‘labour’ from ‘government’.  The sale of vast amounts of public housing stock – at significantly below market prices – also created a feel good factor amongst a substantial number of former Labour voters.

By doing this she created home ownership to hundreds of thousands of people who will now have to support themselves in there old age by having to sell there properties. That's a genius stroke! Not a pointless post now is it?

phylray



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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 01:06

I am surprised at people's choice of Angela Merkel, especially after her latest remarks.

She is not liked in Turkey and I doubt that she is popular in N. Cyprus.

Mrs. Thatcher, (milk snatcher) Was admired abroad, even in Turkey, as a woman in a hard

world. But she was no genius. Like all politicians, she did some good, and also bad.

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
06/11/2010 01:58

Message 62,

To describe Thatcher in one word would be "Genius" nothing wrong with that in my book. As for Madonna being influential?? Made me laugh about as influntial as Piles. Ask any vicar or priest

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
06/11/2010 10:46

Thanks BPF.

TopTen


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Message Posted:
06/11/2010 12:44

I nominate Marylin Monroe she certainly influenced my life



As for Thatcher being refered to as genius you would have to put evil before it, to sell off profitable industry to her friends and close the rest down takes someone who does not give a damn about anyone. Someone as said times many if you dished out the same treatment to pets you would be ostrasized.And a lot of the pits closed down had and still have millions of tons of coal waiting to be mined,probably not as cheaply mined as where Thatcher bought the UKs coal from after the closures.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/12/2010 20:34

Katie price ,,???

negativenick


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Message Posted:
12/12/2010 06:04

surely got to be Garry Monger's missus..............



she's always right and never looses an argument..............