How many of you donate regularly to KAR and who has stopped donating?

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 20:35

Would like to know how people feel about this charity nowadays. Do you give regular donations or have you stopped giving to them and if so for what reason. How many give to Kar and work for them? How many of you have taken in strays and can no longer afford to donate to KAR as well OR choose Not to give money to them for whatever reasons. We take care of 13 cats our dog and countless strays that happen upon us so have no spare cash anyway. Really wish Kar would reflect on their practice and following evaluation, change their policies. How many agree or disagree. Would love to see a proper R.S.P.C.A working here and a Rescue that operates like Battersea Dog's Home. Who agrees? Having discussed all this with Margaret Ray, I feel that it's fallen on deaf ears. Sadly she reminds me of the very old fashioned Matrons who Always knew best and anyone challenging their decisions were total upstarts!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 20:44

mitsi

Yep lets close down KAR tomorrow. That will sort it out for once and for all won't it.

So obviously you have tabled a list of proposals which you have presented to KAR and would you like to enlighten us to what these proposals are?

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 20:48

Mitsi



you appear to have a bee in your bonnet re KAR. My wife worked for them for over ten years. I agree that some people find Mrs Ray not always to their liking but give her credit she and Lynda J. started Kar from scratch and built it up from hard work and donations from the public. why? Because there was no RSPCA or a Battersea dogs home, Kar is the TRNC's equivalent, because nobody else cared for the animals.



Who do you think would set up a RSPCA or Battersea Dogs Home, the TRNC government! Don't make me laugh!

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 21:00

How about this for a good idea Mitsi,Start up your own charity and see how you get on.

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 21:03

Msg 2 You will get to hear about it all at their forthcoming forums which they are planning so as the public may ask questions, put forward ideas and proposals etc; hopefully it will be advertised in the local rag.

Msg 3 Get your facts right about who started KAR. I was recently informed that a couple started and ran it until they were murdered. Some time afterward was when Margaret stepped in. I have never said that I disaprove of KAR and in fact agree that they have worked hard for years and trying to contain the numbers of strays. However, they need to change their policies as they appear to be losing the battle. Many people no longer agree with the huge numbers of dogs being kept at the over-crowded centre and some should be euthanised to make way for younger dogs needing a chance at life. Sorry if my views conflict with yours but KAR say that they cannot help with the strays here as they have NO ROOM at THE INN.

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 21:08

Msg 4 Don't have the temperament for it and cannot "fawn" over people to get them to donate. Far too fiery and I lack diplomacy as Don't suffer fools so No not a good idea to open a charity as I'd probably be up on multiple murder charges after dealing with ignorant folks like you. Now answer the questions or clear off ok?

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 21:17

I think Mitsi has some valid points and KAR seems to be in a bit of a timewarp, with a lot of willing helpers but little faith in the general direction it is taking.

I do a bit of voluntary driving for them (the vet run) once a month, and the workers at the Centre are dedicated and no questions can be asked regarding the great work they do.

I was invited to a fundraising morning in September, mainly to discuss the Dog parade round Girne on the first Saturday in October. At the meeting I provided a written proposal regarding a separate way to raise funds on a one off basis proposing to raise £440, with outgoings of zero, but since that morning I have had no feedback or any encouragement at all. In my opinion another wasted opportunity.

Michael

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 21:17

mitsi

'However, they need to change their policies as they appear to be losing the battle.'



Losing the battle? what are you on? They have never been in a situation where they were ever winning the battle. They have limited ground space, they have limited funding and on top of all of that they have people continually running them down. Do something positive if you feel so strongly about the situation but please do not try to make things worse. Animals are no different to human beings so lets put some of the human beings that live wretched lives down shall we? Of course it is easier to kill an animal than a human being is it not?

I am sorry but you have wound me up big time and I aint easily riled.

valarius


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 356

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 21:37

Mitsi. can i set the record straight. I have been coming here since 1989 and lived here for 9 years and Margaret Ray was here before that i feel. She started off the Kennels on her own land, Anne and Reis mahoney were very involved in KAR, and probably did have a founder interest in the starting of it all, as did a couple of other friends of mine. but margaret did start the kennels off before they got the place at five Fingers. And I also agree with Alsancakjack give me animals at any time on any day rather than human beings. They are more greatful, Loyal and loving. do a bit of history before letting fly at something you probably don't know much about

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 21:48

mitsi

Message 6:

'Msg 4 Don't have the temperament for it and cannot "fawn" over people to get them to donate. Far too fiery and I lack diplomacy as Don't suffer fools so No not a good idea to open a charity as I'd probably be up on multiple murder charges after dealing with ignorant folks like you. Now answer the questions or clear off ok?'



Remind me to cross you off of my Christmas card list.

You really are an asset to the human race.

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 21:54

You sound like a real nice lady Mitsi but you have a few facts wrong.Anne and Reece Mahoney were friends of ours and they worked for Kar as did my wife for about 7 years.Regarding putting animals down as RSPCA and other animal charities.It is against the law in TRNC.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 21:56

msg8" Ain't easily riled," Aren't you the one that said "I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE OUT SIDE WORLD",presumably you were talking about Human Beings and there wrenched lives.?????????????//

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:11

msg10And you sir are an asset to ALSANCAK disregarding the out side world !

swyflot


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 916

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:14

Google "Battersea Dogs Home" or " The Dogs Trust" and see for yourselves the huge problem of abandoned ,stray and abused dogs in the "civilized" UK, not to mention the greyhound rescue websites, the galgos in Spain and the Canary Islands etc. ; etc., This problem is not relevant only to the TRNC

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:17

martinD41

First of all if you are trying to wind me up then I will tell you that I am already wound up so you are wasting your time.

Secondly I think the Martin D41 is a crap guitar. You would have been better spending your money on something worthwhile.

Now who is winding who up?

Lets now keep this thread on topic.

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:17

AlsancakJack,Close this one before it gets too silly.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:24

rigsby

It got too silly from message 1.

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:27

msg 11 Thanks and I thought that I'd been reliably informed about KAR's origins so will investigate further. How do we know that it was launched by Margaret anyway, where did she begin? i know that the land at Arapkoy was donated to KAR for the centre. I know that she runs kennels but this is all very hush hush, no advertising and no wonder from the reports I've had.

msg 8 Didn't think anything affected you outside of Alsancak, people or dogs were totally irrelevant! As for euthanasia, Yes i am in favour if it's what the person wants or their quality of life is so poor that it's kinder to end it. Always been up for personal choice having attended many debates on the subject and written a thesis for my nursing regarding the subject. Should it be legal i would help people to die.Long live Dr.Jack. Whilst i know it's illegal to kill animals in TRNC, they're quick to halal the sheep for Bayram ,to dart strays with paralysing agents then leave them to die "naturally"!!!!!!!!!!!!

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:36

Mitsi,I dont know how long you have been in the TRNC but i think you have a lot to learn.Good luck in homing the pups.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 22:46

mitsi

'msg 8 Didn't think anything affected you outside of Alsancak, people or dogs were totally irrelevant!'



Remind me where I posted that, I have no interest in the world outside of the TRNC. I am retired and have now no interest in any other countries.



We also have a collection of (I think) 12 cats and one adopted street dog. So please do not try and preach to me about looking after animals.



Also my wife donates 3 days of the week working for KAR.



I would suggest you are the one that needs re-evaluate your attitude to all life forms.



Nuff said, I'm going to bed

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 23:08

Alsancakjack thanks for finally answering the questions and well done with your animals.



Rigsby Know all I need to know about this island thanks. Fortunately I am old enough to be discerning about the company I keep and strong enough to have the courage of my convictions. The more people I meet, the more I like my dog. nite all.

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 23:19

WELL it has been a long long time since i have felt the need to lower my standards and respond to "some" of the posters on this board !

I had thought that this board was beginning to resemble what it was set up for - an aide, a help, a discussion forum about TRNC. But then comes along a randomn, unfounded rant and rave about things that "certain individuals = mitsi" claim to know all about and actually know,from their remarks. very little .

mitsi - you disgust me (and i hope many others) with some of your remarks/comments/innuendos/links! - it is based on what ? !!!!!!!

Maybe mitsi it is the DOGS that are causing YOU problems (as per your earlier post!) --mmm!. Well there we go ! Whose dogs? - Yours ? Neighbours?

WHY IS IT KAR's RESPONSIBILITY ???? !!!

If you are, or, have been involved in Animal welfare here in TRNC, or in KAR then anyone would be able to see/view some where/ WHAT have you done to HELP or to do ANYTHING !!! Where can we see it then mitsi

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 23:47

MITSI - take it you have no IMPERIAL response !

Perhaps it is past your bedtime - hope that the dogs do not keep you awake AGAIN.!

If they do - no doubt you WILL ring KAR (again) !!!!!!!!!! because it MUST be a KAR problem - which KAR must deal with !

Aaahhh bless - expect you have tried your best !!!!

x

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 00:17

How sad that someone should use this forum to try and drum up support for criticism of what is a charity. Better to join the team and make your views known from within or start your own organisation for animal welfare. If the latter better to know the law here with regard to euthanasia exactly the same as if working on hospital wards. My immediate neighbour has for the past 10 years worked selflessly and compassionately for animal welfare in TRNC. Every dawn and dusk, in all weathers, this lady seeks out the animals in need and devotes hours to the charity shop and stalls at supermarkets etc. At a time when there are many ex pats suffering the problems of the housing market there is no better illustration to government of the ex pats valuable contribution to every day life here than that shown by KAR and others doing charitable work for hospitals etc.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 00:29

cleos i did not want to get involved with this, but i have to say i really do not think you know the whole picture. KAR is the charity set up for rescue dogs sadly its become a dumping ground. They can not cope as its so full. Many of us here get animals dumped on us and because of our nature we try if kar will not take them to find homes. I'm on my 27th amd to date KAR could not help me, i understand. It really does wear you out to try to find homes when a lot are going back to the uk. I can tell you that most of my 27 have been left by Brits returning with no concern of their physiological problem. I see it, i live with it to give that dog security until i hand it over. Please do not be hard on miysi, we live here and have it almost daily

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 00:52

Its ok Lilli,Mitsi was singing KAR,s praises in September when they helped her out.She goes to the centre so she must know how full it is.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 01:08

rigs we all know and my heart bleeds for the volunteers who run it, i couldn't go there to see dead puppies . Its a sad case and will happen anywhere. I just glad i can do what i di. Please I do not want to be in that position but No 27 is hard to home. I cant think why as she is a real beaut, funny now. We have hours over an empty water bottle.This mite would not get of my settee for 10 days, we had to carry her out to do the business. i was loosing it and i was drinking a small water and said to her here love try to get the top of. She did but lost the bottle, i could have picked it up but made her do it. my god has run rings around me since i love her to bits but i do really need a family to take her

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 06:21

Why when it comes to stray animals or animals that seem to have no home people always mention KAR as if it is their problem. It’s a country problem therefore who is at the helm is alternately responsible. Unfortunately nobody rallies the government but after living here a few years it would take a few years for them to act. BUT as neighbours say if I did not feed the cats, which visit, nature would take its course survival of the fittest.

As said in previous posts it should be a government thing. If ever I had to return to the uk and could not re home the dogs which turned up on our doorstep I would camp out on the Ministry of agriculture's doorstep praying I could at least get them put to sleep and then live with my actions but being from the UK and with current quarantine laws it would not be a financial option to take them with me.

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 06:25

Also whether people like Margaret or not I respect the time and energy she has given to KAR along with all the others who do their bit, I bet their personal life has suffered at the amount of time they dedicate to it.



At least some of these animals have a little happiness down to all caring people on the Island.

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 08:34

Lilli - message 25 - I certainly do know KAR's history and their circumstances now - i also know that some people on this board have been helped by KAR in the past and then when KAR say we cannot help this time (for various reasons ) then certain board members decide to berate and belittle them. If mitsi has a problem - let mitsi deal with it instead of going on here ranting about KAR and some of its personnel.

I could go on and on about what mitsi is saying happened when or IF mitsi contacted KAR - but it is only mitsi saying that isn't it !!!

Why are ALL the stray dogs and cats KARs problems ??? Why are mitsi's problem dogs KARs problem ??????

How many people on this board have been helped by KAR in the past with dogs or cats ????

If every board member were to donate just 1 day each to help out at KAR that would be a great help to them and then maybe members would understand better the problems they face all the time.

Lilli i wish you well - some others on here are just nasty

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 08:54

msg15..Sorry AJ....My post was referring to your DAMNING of the Outside World and your general intolerance to criticism of anything by anyone. your reply was to damn an inanimate object.....I don't get it?

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 09:02

Before anyone else comments on this please read what the thread ACTUALLY talks about.

The posters who are getting wound up are going off track and deserve no sympathy.

Spot on mitsi with the words deaf ears and old fashioned.

Times have changed since KAR was established, so they must change with the times, and most of all LISTEN.

Michael

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 09:12

As a charity with no statutory duties or powers why do the HAVE to change? If you don't like them or what they do, then set up your own scheme and do it better.



If you can't be arsed....Stop moaning!

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 09:36

Who is moaning?

You have to constantly assess how you operate to obtain optimum benefit for those you represent.

If you accept this then you will be able to modify and improve the running of the organisation.

A root and branch overhaul of KAR is a must in meeting the ever changing challenges placed upon them, and change must come from within.

Not a moan....not a rant....just plain to see.

And before you challenge this or comment upon it, read it first.

Michael

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 09:37

CJTILL thankyou for that and hopefully the posters will answer the questions without the personal attacks when they assume that I am anti KAR. Totally not the case. Have the utmost respect for Suzanne and the staff at the centre who work tirelessly in the most soul destoying conditions. Fortunately, over time , (as is human nature), they have become desensitised to it and cannot comprehend how devastating it can be for some of us who visit there. Do we leave the dogs on the streets with all the potential dangers OR lock them up in the camp? Ask yourselves, all you dog owners, would you like to leave your dog there whilst you go on vacation?

hawkeye


Joined: 12/09/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 09:39

never have donated and never will. I feel that the situation is worse than ever....dogs abandoned on the street to fend for themsleves, and hopeful that some body with take them in or just feed them......as for keeping dogs that are ferocious well sorry but thats is very wise. I can never give willingly to something that I do not believe in.............Sue

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 09:44

yenibob, good thing that william Wilberforce didn't give up on slavery, animal welfare etc; He moaned for all of his life, fought the good fight, which affected his health very badly but he never said DIE. Look what he achieved and what a wonderful, caring man he was. No room in this world for complacency or apathy. Keep on trying to improve things as there is much work to do. Animals have no voice, we are their advocates and due to the fact that we are the predominant species, surely we have the responsibility of caring for all on this planet as supposed superior beings and caretakers of this earth.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 11:32

Well Mitsi



please post on this forum what you think is wrong with KAR and what are your solutions to your conceived problems with KAR.

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 12:29

We are waiting Mitsi.

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 12:51

Mitsi....hope you dont mind if I reply to this question...

It is not a simple list of all the things that are a problem, its looking at the structure as a whole, starting at assessing the aims and goals of KAR, and then breaking down the income v expenditure and trying to marry the two together.

A good starting point would be the Constitution (if there is one) and an assembly of the Committee and Life members doing a lot of brainstorming. It is a long old process, but at the end I feel sure improvements will develop from this.

This of course wont work unless the existing officials want to move forward and improve.

Michael

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 15:28

CJ. I do not think I could demolish your first argument any better than you have in your subsequent posts, thank you.



Are you going to set up your own animal rescue service? If not, why not? There is no shortage of animals or land.





"It behoves every man to remember that the work of the critic is of altogether secondary importance, and that in the end, progress is accomplished by the man/woman who does things."

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 20:16

CJ/Mitsi



What exactly do you think is wrong with the KAR setup? What do you think they can change considering their financial constraints?

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 20:42

I cannot see the point of this thread at all, yet another person having a go at KAR. That is all there is here and all people do is knock it without any contructive hel, it really annoys me.

erictheviking


Joined: 14/05/2010
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 20:52

Or you it could be suggested that you start culling some of the animals they have at the rescue centre as some have been there some long they have been institutionalised and as a result are now very aggressive and not able to be rehoused/re-homed, why are they still being kept when there is little hope for them.



Dont get me wrong KAR doing an amazing thing and have done so for a long time, but it may be time for some fresh blood to be introduced into the mix.



Some points about KAR I do not agree with. Example of which is trapping dogs and cats from the streets neutering them and releasing them again. Should they not be put to sleep/put down as it would be kindest thing you could do to them. This would then have some impact on the population of strays that seem to have exploded in recent years. Also the fact that Magret Ray seems to be driving around in the newest vehicle at all time and it only seems to be her in it, I'm sure it can be put to better use.

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
05/11/2010 21:58

ok, first of all find a vet who will put them all dow

if the cats and dogs are left on the street they will multiply, is that what you want to happen and then we will be completely over run

the newest vehicle actually is not that new and maybe she drives around alone because there is no-one to help her, or maybe it is early in the morning and there is an emergency or last thing at night for the same reason

it is a bit like a stranger coming to you and telling you how to run you rbusiness really

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 01:38

So those who wish to knock KAR believe that cats should be culled when it has been made clear that the law does not allow it and many years ago when cats were culled there was a massive increase in snakes. Are these the same people who are incredulous that anyone could believe that cats are more intelligent and deserving of life than some people. Eccentric maybe, but I can sometimes understand their beliefs.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 06:43

Once again

JAW JAW JAW - all talk and no action - People like you Mitsi spend to much time JAWING and not enough doing!

KAR are doing a fantastic job with no staff and very little resources. I have not been able to give them time as I only moved here in February, but I raised money in the UK last Christmas by running a raffle to buy muzzles to stop the poisoning. By February I brought over £350 worth of items which were needed: leaders, collars, bowls, muzzles and bags of out of date medication which I got from my local pet shop. My local pub in Chester Le Street (UK) still has a charity box on it's bar to raise funds for KAR. I am planning on doing my own thing in 2 ways to raise money for them - when I get them off the ground you will hear about it. I have spoken to Margaret so she knows what my plans are. Don't knock people who DO!! when you DON'T!!!!

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 08:34

well said HildySmith

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 16:09

I don't like dogs.

Geoff

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 18:05

god help us all man and beast????

yenibob


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Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 18:12

I would like to say the last 3 posts have added to the debate, but why should I lie?

erictheviking


Joined: 14/05/2010
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 06:07

@deputydawg cats have nothing to do with the level of snakes, did it coincide with a lot of building spoiling their natural habitat thus making it seem like there is an increase in snakes. When was the last time you saw a cat with a snake in its mouth. Come on baby post a picture enlighten us. Is there a particular ear you are thinking of.



@rowen you dont seem to have a grasp on personal opinion do you. How unfortunate but we cant all be gifted. OK it ma not be that new but surely it should be left at the centre not in her possession all the time it does seem like a waste.



On the culling point. So what happened's when the animals fight in the pens that seem to be over crowded. Pack mentality clicks in and the underdog (no pun intended) gets ripped to bits. Think of it like fox hunting if you will (yes I used to ride with a hunt great fun I have to say so I know what they are like)

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 07:46

why are so many staff leaving ?

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 08:07

@eric the viking



I do have a grasp on personal opinion and everyone is entitled to their own, heaven help that we should all think in the same way but, no-one on this thread had offered to anythything constructive that would help KAR do the job they are doing. Maybe the reason the van is not at the centre is so that it is readily available to go out to emergency calls to injured animals etc and in actual fact the van is twelve years old, nothing like new.



I just get very frustrated that people are so critical of a worthwhile charity and do little to help. I know that does not apply to everyone who posts but it seems that about every few months someone has to have another go at KAR.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 08:18

I agree Rowan - people should shut up and/or pay up if they want results. KAR can only exist with contributions and volunteers - if more people volunteered and helped to put right a lot of the problems that would help. If they are not in a position to volunteer then they could find a way to get cash for them - I did by setting up a raffle in the UK and I will be adding to this when I can by utilising assets I have (watch this space) THIS IS ME DOING IT - NOT KAR. The more I can earn for them the more they can do.

Oh and

Doggiesteve - my son's cat came in last week with a snake wedged in its mouth and the snakes tail wrapped around it's neck. mmmmm....... what was it you were saying about cats and snakes

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 08:31

HildySmith Message 55



what has your reply to message 53 got to do with the question?





Doggiesteve - my son's cat came in last week with a snake wedged in its mouth and the snakes tail wrapped around it's neck. mmmmm....... what was it you were saying about cats and snakes KEEP UP i NEVER MENTIONED SNAKES

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 08:38

I apologise - it was eric the viking - it was early morning and I could not sleep - but not fully away.

Sorry!!!!!!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 08:40

Eric the Viking stated:

'When was the last time you saw a cat with a snake in its mouth'

my son said it was last week in Alsancak.

Sorry doggiesteve!!!!

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 10:03

Eric, some 20 years before you were born, and long before the building boom, I had a cat here called "Snaffles" who used to kill snakes on a daily basis and somehow survived numerous snake bites and numerous doctor's bills for treatment. Everyone I knew kept cats that killed snakes even those who did not like cats. Surely you know that Cyprus was also known as "the Island of Snakes".



I have had 2 cats from KAR since 2004 and I do my best to keep them in at night as I fear for their welfare. They regularly encounter snakes. I had a 3rd cat from KAR who was killed in my garden by a snake in 2006. My cats have brought snakes, alive and dead, into the house dozens of times including having a fight with a 2ft blunt nosed viper under a Futon adjacent to where I now sit at the PC and where a grandchild was sitting. Why would I want to take a photograph of that for you to see ? Change your name to David Bailey and take your own photographs or give money to KAR instead.

mitsi


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Posts: 345

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 11:32

I need to answer the questions so 1. Feel that KAR do need a brainstorming exercise/forum with the public to here suggestions etc; 2. The centre is far too over-crowded and older dogs need to be culled to make way for others needing a chance. (Yes it's illegal we know but there are ways and it's going on already so don't kid yourselves) 3. Stop the neuter and release of dogs, it doesn't work, see problems in other countries where they are having a re-think of this policy. 4. Never said to cull cats, they seem to manage far better than dogs BUT they do impact badly on wildlife, not just snakes. In U.S.A. there are pressure groups against neuter and release of cats, see on the web. 5. KAR need to have a patron, of some standing in the community to bring pressure on the authorities to help fund and solve the problems.6. Less numbers at the centre might mean more staff and cash to get out and deal with emergencies, flea treatments worming etc, WHICH KAR CLAIM THEY DO AT THE MOMENT!

rigsby


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 12:29

O/k Mitsi,You go up the centre and dispose of them,problem solved.

mitsi


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Posts: 345

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 13:12

Rigsby, as usual home in on the most controversial aspect and forget the rest eh?

As for the snakes ( and there are far more types here than we are led to believe!) our cats have brought several back home to us and we have taken them away and released them into undergrowth away from people.

rigsby


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Posts: 912

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 15:18

Mitsi,I dont home in on any posts except those that i do have experiance of.By the way we lived in TRNC for eight years so learnt a lot.And one thing we did learn,You cannot change anything so i,m afraid its put up or shut up.

CJtill


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 15:45

Mitsi....I am afraid rigsby is quite correct, you cant change anything, especially if the people who should be listening turn a deaf en.

Michael

rowan


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Posts: 450

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 19:15

come on now, there is an appeal for help at the centre on another thread, how many will apply?

westender


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 19:41

Mitsi do you know how difficult it is to get the euthanasia drugs into the country? You can't just walk into a pet shop or vets & buy them, would you put yourself on the line & smuggle them in?

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 19:52

doggiesteve

Message 53:



'why are so many staff leaving ?'

How many 'staff' do you think they have? Firstly they are all volunteers and secondly are you referring to the charity shop, the main office or the rescue centre itself?

mitsi


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Posts: 345

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 20:16

Don't believe that you can't change anything. You have to keep the pressure up, influence the right people who just might be able to open doors. Joanna Lumley does wonders for animal welfare and look what she achieved for the Gurkhas? As I said before William Wilberforce NEVER gave up. If only we could find a patron for KAR who could turn heads and make people listen. One thing for sure is that KAR need men on the committee and preferably Turkish speaking. This is a very male orientated society who must laugh at Margaret and her helpers.

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 20:30

Mitsi



you appear to be concerned re KAR, are you on the committee or have you applied to get voted on, If not why not? If you think they are not running it to it's full potential.

mitsi


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Posts: 345

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 21:23

No I am not nor do I wish to be on the committee for KAR. I do not agree with Margaret Ray's policies so why would I want to be working for her? The best thing about being here in TRNC is not having to kowtow to people. Had enough of all that bullshit during my working life. The games we have to play in order to earn a living but now, thankfully, no more lousy managers or lazy colleagues to please. Bliss indeed not having to suffer idiots for the sake of a dollar. Having attended meetings with KAR when I was helping out, I can say that they were total bull as well and I've seen more life in a cadaver than in the clan of" WRVS "ladies talking about everything except the matters in hand. Bunch of silly women waffling on about insignificant rubbish! Animal welfare was the last topic on their agendas.

mitsi


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Posts: 345

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 21:30

I would like to know why the staff are leaving too and know that one or two have helped out for many years and just feel that it's time to give up and enjoy their retirements. Not all are volunteers either as some are salaried but I have no idea who is paid and who is not. I would still like to know the full history of the launching of KAR, not hearsay but fact. Anyone KNOW the answer to this?

westender


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 21:52

Go to their web-site & click on history. http://www.kyreniaanimalrescue.org

rowan


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 22:21

does this have anything to do with the puppies you cannot home?

mitsi


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 22:53

msg 73. Not at all. They helped with the previous litter even though the boycott of Catalkoy was on but understandably there is no room at the centre for any more. I will state for the last time "I do not agree with Margaret Ray's policies" and therefore cannot give my support. I am hoping that they will spay this bitch so as to prevent further pregnancies and await their decision BUT I will not be financing this as am spent out!

I have read their web site but you can't believe everything you read. I would like info from an unbiased person who was here when KAR began, not from the person who started it. Many years ago Ocean spray claimed that their cranberry juice was beneficial in preventing Urinary tract infections. Only when" n.i.c.e "presented the same research findings were we (nurses) allowed to use it. It is known as unbiased research. Always review several accounts and don't take the word of the manufacturer blowing his own trumpet.

westender


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 23:02

I can assure you that it is a TRUE HISTORY as I have been coming out to the TRNC for nearly 17 years & have been supporting them since their inception.

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 23:11

Sorry Mitsi

How would you know if someone is unbiased. You appear not to believe anyone.

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 23:28

I used to donate to KAR but have stopped now. My dogs vet informed me that most of the dogs are left untreated with Parvo virus (amongst other things), I realise these cost a lot of money to sort out.



Also, I went in to the shop opp the Colony to ask a dog related question and wasn't given any useful information whatsoever.



I think KAR may have got too big and tangled up in it's own 'red tape' to actually help the animals it was oringinally set out to help.



(My opinion.)

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 00:05

Msg 77



what was your dog related question? are you aware the volunteers generally just work in the shop and do not have anything to do with the kennels or the administration of KAR.

LaptaMike


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 00:10

Quarmby, I can't remember, was a while ago.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
11/12/2010 20:06

back to the top......

spider


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Message Posted:
11/12/2010 20:17

apc2010...Just had a quick look at this post its far too long to read all, but whats your game bringing a thread back to the top without even a comment or post with regards to the topic ? The last post was over a month ago !







Spider,X

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
11/12/2010 21:05

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.