Property justice silent peaceful candlelit vigil

elko2



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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 17:21

This is official. The vigil will take place next Sunday 14th November from 4.00-6.00 pm at the roundabout near TRNC Parliament and the Turkish Embassy. This will be a peaceful protest with no banners, no placards and no slogans. Silence can be more effective and more demure.

I will be there with my candle and I invite everybody with TRNC id cards to join me. It is our constitutional right to stage such a protest without prior permission from any authority.



I invite all the expats to come and observe from a discreet distance. The more of you the better. Please show your full support. This is not the time for apathy or complacency. United we win, divided we fall. One for all and all for one. Time to show that famous British bulldog spirit. Think of the plight of the pensioners at Kulaksiz 5, all of them over 60. Need I say any more? Please see you there and no excuses please.

Please put down your names below if you intend to attend as observers or as TRNC citizens (please indicate).

Can I count on you?

Thank you.

ismet



IMPORTANT CHANGE: THE VENUE HAS BEEN CHANGED TO "BARIŞ ANITI", THE ROUNDABOUT FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD TOWARDS GIRNE. For explanation see post nos 86 and 87 below

juliamoons



Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 849

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 17:32

Well Ismet I am a strong believer in showing your intent.



I have broken my leg but next Friday final x-ray and should be up and about on all 2's or if not in a wheelchair, pplease give directions to the venue as I have no idea where the parliament and Turkish Embassy are situated.



Regards

Julia xoxo

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 17:44

I'll be with you in spirit!



Good Luck



X

yenibob


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 17:47

Will be observing!

suehowlittle


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Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 17:49

We will be there of course, but what do you call a discreet distance? Far enough not to get arrested as foreigners have no right to take part even in a candlelit silent vigil and anyway, who in Government will actually be working at this time on Sunday evenings?

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 18:04

Hopefully Ismet Pauline will be allowed to stand alongside you as there is only ONE of her or two if you count me and she goes nowhere without me.



There will be an article on North Cyprus Free Press shortly. A Turkish language version is being sent to the

press and hopefully we will garner support from our Turkish Cypriot brothers and sisters.





KEEP THE FAITH

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 18:12

Vigil will take place on the roundabout Sehitler Abilesi which is at the entrance of the road that houses

both the Parliament Buiding and the Turkish Embassy which are in a street called Bedrettin Demirel Caddesi/



I understand that this a popular place for such events/ I would think that the there will be room to observe

the roundabout from both sides of the road.

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 18:16

What do you hope to gain from such a vigil?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 18:34

Support of the Turkish Cypriot people you know Isabella\ the ones with a vote. The alternative is to do nothing and sit back and wait util the roof caves in. Or stick your head back in the sand HISS

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 19:02

Pauline's article on NCFP is at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/11/07/property-justice-silent-peaceful-candlelit-vigil-in-lefkosa-on14th-november-2010/

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 19:23

isabella



msg 8



good job you never asked that of emily pankhurst you know the one that gave us rights to vote!



Surely you have to have someunderstanding of it you may not see what can be gained if youre a person of shortsightedness but its for the decent turkish cypriots to show their feelings to what is happening in their own country and their support of the people loosing their homes maybe its not affecting you at the moment

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 19:28

msg 1 Ismet. Ismet ,and you hope to achieve what precisely ?

elko2



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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 19:35

msg. 8

I think the question by Isabella is a genuine one. There may not be many people around at that time on a Sunday but I am sure the cameras will be clicking away onh behalf of the local papers and tv stations and perhaps a few farther afield. Of course we expect these pictures to be accompanied with some explanation at the plight of the victims of these property scams



msg. 2

Juliamoons,

I presume you are asking for directions from the capital of TRNC i.e. Girne

It is not a route I use very often but here is an an attempt from me. I am sure others will give better directions.

Travelling from Girne towards Nicosia, go straight at the main roundabout, pass the hospital and a few traffic lights including the one at Sabri orients hotel, then turn right and park at the car park just before the next roundabout. On foot if you turn right at the roundabout you will come to the parliament building on your right and the Turkish Embassy on your left and immediately afterwards is the roundabout where the vigil will take place.

ismet

Earlybird


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Posts: 816

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 19:56

Surely this is about publicity and the more people there, the more people will take notice!! I will be there.

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 20:11

Ismet count me in and i will bring my own candle!!!!

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 20:20

Good old Teresa. Well, I did not mean old of course

Don't forget to have your TRNC id card with you.

ismet

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 20:23

Watch it Ismet or this peaceful protest might turn nasty!!!! only joking and of course i will have my kimlik with me.

philnles


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Posts: 413

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 20:46

Ismet,

We will be there.

Phil and Les

millzer


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 21:09

pollymarples message 9. Some people have had their heads in the sand from day one......... and continue to do so!!!!

millzer


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 21:11

Oh I forgot to say, Ismet leading the fight for justice and whats right as always, good luck my friend.

natalie


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Posts: 323

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 22:22

I will without fail be there, Honestie, any chance of a lift if you are going? If not no probs I will get there somehow.

Teresa


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Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 22:54

natalie what area are you in i might be able to give you a lift if you are local to me

johnerebus



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Posts: 72

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 23:09

Please, please, will anyone attending the vigil buy and hold / wave / shine a candle or torch for me as I'm in the UK waiting for our house to be completed - still, after 7 years. I promise to recompense you when we visit next year - when hopefully the house will be completed. Demonstrated here in the UK a couple of years ago outside the TRNC Consulate and would like to be there on the 14th. Best wishes to all who attend and thank you for doing so - John

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 23:17

johnerebus,



Nice to hear from you again, I hope you get your home completed John, it was lovely to meet you in London a couple of years ago!



I can't hold your candle for you, but I'm sure either Ismet or pollymarples will?



Pat



X

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 04:25

Just like to say well done and all the very best to all of you.



My thoughts will be with you.



Jean

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 06:49

Lovely to see a posıtıve response. As you can ımagıne Paulıne has been down ın the last few weeks but thıs

ıs lıke a ray of sunshıne and has lıfted the cloud that enveloped her. God bless you all.



Rıght ıs Mıght and wıth God on our sıde - faılure ıs not an optıon.



Teresa, can you make sure Osman and Hattıce know, also Jamılla - they too have so much to lose



If Osman comes be sure to tell hım NOT to lose hıs temper, we cannot have hım carted off on a stretcher agaın.

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 07:13

Polly i will do my best to make sure they are there at least that way there will be someone present from the site.

roncardboard


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Posts: 87

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 07:21

great to see someone doing some good for all

we will be there

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 07:22

Ismet is it close to this roundabout http://www.panoramio.com/photo/999390

Groucho



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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 07:27

Well that's a shame... Having suggested to Ismet that TRNC citizens of his ilk might be able to protest on behalf of the disenfranchised victims, I feel a bit guilty about not being there to support them but we will be approx 3,000 miles away on that day (our daughter's 18th birthday coming up and we are off to help her celebrate).



We will be with you all in spirit... good luck all and let's hope somebody takes notice.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 08:19

Paulıne wıll be there and I thınk maybe some of the others from K5 too Teresa. Hope they wıll come.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 08:34

msg. 29

Juliamoons,

That is the roundabout I described for parking your cars. Just before you get to that roundabout you must turn right and the parking space is immediately on your left.

the building on the right in the photo is the TRNC Central Bank. The roundabout where the vigil will take place is about 300 metres away towards the south.

ismet

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 08:48

North Cyprus Free Press will be there. Another article from Pauline can be found at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/11/08/seeking-property-justice-by-candlelight-in-lefkosa-on-14th-november/

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 13:22

Good luck , i hope everything goes smoothly for you , i'm sure there will be alot of people sending their positive thoughts to you , as they will not be able to be there themselves

Good wishes , Patricia

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 13:47

Hi Ismet, have emailed you a question about the vigil..



I am in the UK but want to support what you are doing.

regards,



Peter

elko2



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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 14:04

Petez,

Just replied.

elko2



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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 14:12

I had a very apologetic phone call from Girne police just before noon this morning. They heard about the vigil and wanted to confirm. I stressed that it will be a quiet vigil with candles, no slogans and no banners, just a peaceful demostration. He agreed with me that sometimes a silent protest can be more effective than a loud vociferous one. I told him that I have arranged this protest on my own but any TRNC citizen who support my cause can join me, all are welcome. The non-citizens are welcome to come as observers and observe from a discreet distance. Furthermore, I explained to him that there may not be too many ordinary people about at that time of the day but our aim is to draw attention to the problems through the local media and if possible through international media too. This last point caught his attention. I said why not, its all on the cards.



I was invited to go and have a cup of coffee with him when I am next in Girne and I promised to to so.

ismet

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 14:29

I noticed too late - for which I apologise - that the thread about the "Candlelit vigil" was made a 'Sticky' when I started a new thread about location maps to the demonstration place in Lefkoşa (North Nicosia). You'll find more about the maps in this C44 thread: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/49298.asp . Anyway, I hope the maps will help you find the place easyly. - Hans Doeleman.

petez


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Posts: 560

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 15:50

sent you another quick email ismet

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 15:51

Have been shoppıng ın the South whıch probably accounts for Paulıne mısıng two phone calls from Lefkosa

polıce. Nothıng to do wıth her, Ismet ıs the organıser. I am sure Ismet wıll love to chat to hım.



Also had a conversatıon wıth a lady called Karen,very nıce lady (I hope) saıd she got my number from a

frıend, probably beıng paranoıd but just to reıterate Karen; ıf lıke Paulıne you happen to be ın Lefkosa on

Sunday next and ıf lıke Paulıne you happen on a lovely man called Ismet carryıng out a PROPERTY JUSTICE

SILENT PEACEFUL CANDLELIT VIGIL, I am sure lıke Paulıne, curıousıty wıll get the better of you and you wıll want to stop and observe what ıs takıng place. I would advıse anyone walkıng at nıght to carry a torch. You never know when the electrıcıty ıs

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 16:56

Yes, you never know when the street lighting will go off due to an electricity cut, so you better carry a candle or a hand held torch with you when walking.



That reminded me of an incident that happened many years ago in Nicosia. This chap was riding his bicycle in the dark with no lights. The policeman on duty stopped him and was ready to write him a fine. The chap explained: Mr. policeman, can't you see its dark everywhere, we had a power cut a minute ago, so I have no lights like everybody else. Fair enough the policeman says and lets him off. Then the coin dropped and started to blow his whistle but it was too late

ismet

petez


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 16:57

I have published an article on Lincguide in support of the Vigil.

http://bit.ly/cTxLLp

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 18:49

Good article petez but EVERYONE please remember this is a VIGIL for all property scam victims

those without water and electricity or paying the earth for it.

those left with a part built property

those who have had their builder do a runner

those who have been double sold to

those who are being blackmailed into paying taxes for the builder to get the Kocan

those refused PTP unfairly

those with a very bad build/



the list goes on and on and on and on if I have missed your problem add it on/

tomsteel


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Posts: 482

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 19:10

My wife and I would have attended as 'observers', but it is also Remembrance Sunday and we are committed to looking after UK-based veterans visiting TRNC for their annual pilgrimage for their fallen comrades during the 54-59 EOKA conflict. Sorry, but a bad day for us - but you have our support. Best wishes and we hope the attendance is massive.

hodgeliz


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 19:41

I hope to be able to be in the area good luck, but such a shame that some of the posters deem fit to make capital by trying to score points

natalie


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 20:55

Theresa, many thanks for kind offer, but thankfully am sorted.

honestie


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 21:45

Ismet



will be in the area to observe and thanks for all your hard work

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 22:10

We need all the support we can get and ıf, as Paulıne has trıed to make happen, the Turkısh speakıng press

carry our story, we may get more TC support. By and large people, whatever theır natıonalıty support the under dog, and we are very much the under dog.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 22:56

Good Luck Ismet - I hope you get the support this deserves.

Jwheeler&Sons


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 01:23

Elko



Thank you for all you are doing.

God bless



Julie

BillyB


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 08:54

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke



Everyone who has had unconditional advice and support from Ismet and Marion stokes over the years please give something back and show your support.



Thankyou Ismet



See you there.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/11/2010 10:13

I think that Marion Stoke's presence as an observer at the Vigil on 14th November will show the government how seriously the property issue is being treated by all those involved.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/11/2010 10:16

Don't worry Malcolm you wıll have the uncondıtıonal support and the presence of Paulıne Read regardless of the personal rısk to her, as an observer only of course, cannot have her beıng arrested ...agaın.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
09/11/2010 10:41

I am really moved by all the support messages. Keep them coming and let us hope we get the wide publicity in the local media and hopefully many Turkish Cypriots will join me with their candles. Tell your Turkish Cypriot friends and ask them to join me. All are welcome provided they keep to the "Silent and no banners" rule. Don't forget the saying "Speech is silver; silence is golden'

ismet

Johnatcastle


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 163

Message Posted:
09/11/2010 11:02

Good luck to all that attend and thank you Elko for your personal support to the cause of justice.

Can I suggest (if possible and/or legal) that somebody supply a candle for each person that can not be part of the vigil but want to be. That way if there is say 100 people holding candles and then maybe 2 or 3 hundred candles just burning silently that would represent the the people that would like to 'protest' but can't due to local laws. It also represents the people who silently suffer at the hands of injustice in property scams.

Might make a great cover picture for a paper or two!!

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
09/11/2010 12:19

Johnatcastle,

I was hoping that some kind person would buy a candle for me

I tell you what. Let everyone bring a candle or two with them. You know how the electricity situation is these days. We may have a power failure at any tifme. So its best to be prepared for it like good scouts



Seriously though, we can see how the situation develops and as I hope if there is no harassment from the police, then people can lit their candles to show their gratitute to those holding the vigil. Yes, let us say it is a show of gratitutde rather than a show of support.



If you show support, you may be considered as part of the protest but if you show your gratitude, you are not necessarrily taking part in the protest. Its all silly really, all foreigners should have been allowed to protest the property scams, failing that the authorities find themselves is such funny situations.

Keep the faith. Come and observe the vigil and if you like lit a candle to show your gratitude.

ismet

Rhodesian


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Posts: 27

Message Posted:
09/11/2010 12:32

Ismet



Moira and I will be there as observers.

Regards

Keith

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 13:41

Paulıne wıll brıng some spare candles. Can I suggest that you eıther brıng an old glove a candle holder

or fashıon some sort of holder wıth tıssue and foıl. We do not want anyone havıng candlefat burns.



Please ıf you care. be there ıf you ar Turkısh Cyprıot or a TRNC citıszen stand alongsıde ismet, ıf you a

foreıgner - only to observe

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/11/2010 15:02

"Candlelit vigil": "Support of Cypriot Turks and TRNC citizens - in silence": http://is.gd/gRKA0

Ismet: would we be arrested and expelled or shot for such an A4..?

kaiserphil


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Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
09/11/2010 15:17

Ismet - "I am really moved by all the support messages" - you are a STAR!

elko2



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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 15:18

My understanding is that a small group of police will join in as "observers" i.e. observing the observers so to speak but I do not expect any harasment from any quarters. We may all go for a meal or something afterwards, on Dutch of course. No no silly, I did not mean that, we all pay for our own meals.

DC could not afford to buy us all a meal

ismet

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 18:36

D C I dıdn't know you were rıch, payıng for all our meals - wıll you marry me?? , Don't worry your are safe

I am only a fıgment of Paulıne's ımagınatıon, I am gorgeous though.



Paulıne had a conversatıon wıth the secret servıce polıceman thıs afternoon and as ısmet says, they do not mean to cause us any problems. They are concerned that we may be joıned by people frıom the Greek sıde

but I do not thınk thıs wıll happen. We wıll behave as the good people we are and there wıll be no problems.



D.C.you wıll not be arrested or shot by anyone, although pollymarples packs a mean left hook ıf you refuse to marry her.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 18:59

Thıs ıs Paulıne sperakıng now. We need your support lıke we have never needed ıt before, reach ınto your reserves of courage and joın ismet and all the ex pats, TC's and TRNC citizens on Sunday and show you care.



Together we can....................................

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/11/2010 19:06

RE msg 62, pollymarples: (...) They are concerned that we may be joıned by people frıom the Greek sıde (...)

=> "Greek side"..?! I don't think so either. Maybe some Greek speaking Cypriots from the Greek Cypriot side..?



(...) DC I dıdn't know you were rıch, payıng for all our meals (...)

=> This board is a bl**dy rumour machine - wait for my revenge, Ismet...

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 20:07

Come on D C we are only pullıng your leg. Well Paulıne and ısmet, polly...not sure about she has started lookıng ın brıdal magazınes!!! dum dum de dum -- dum dum de dum

BillyB


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 21:22

BTTT



Can we make this a sticky?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 21:51

oops BıllyB I thınk ıt ıs.

WildOlive


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 23:31

Just to say big thank you to Ismet and all the TCs who care about the guests with 'property problems' in their country and for all the non-citizens who will be observing.



As one of the purchasers at the Sun Villas site we were the first to go to auction and without the large turn out to support us I'm sure the the auction would not have been stppped. W wouldn't have the strenth today to continue to try to resolve our situation if it wasn't for the courage and support of everyone, and especially Ismet and Marion Stokes.



Sadly I am in the UK but I will have my candel lit and I'll be observing from afar at the vigil on Sunday.

Neil

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
10/11/2010 09:35

Mention in Cyprus Today page 3



Some well known TCs have agreed to join our Vigl/



Bit disappointed not yet in Kbris Gazetesi\ have tried to garner their support\ usually very sympathetic/

largest readership of TCs so very important/

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
10/11/2010 18:36

From some of the feedback both ısmet and I are gettıng ıt promıses to be quıte a turnout.



Paulıne ıs wonderıng whether her reportıng status mıght allow to have a lıttle more freedom.



Play ıt by ear, see how low key the polıcıng ıs.



Paulıne has been on the laptop (chrıs's) most of the day tryıng to ensure good coverage.

Ismet, as usual has been workıng hıs socks off on our behalf.

elko2



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Message Posted:
10/11/2010 18:57

Pollymarples,

What is this about "Ismet, as usual has been workıng hıs socks off on our behalf."

Tell Pauline not on your behalf but for himself. Remember, this is a protest by me in person, it is my protest and I told the police that is my protest. There.

ismet

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
10/11/2010 19:33

okay Mr Modesty it is your vigil and believe me when I say without you it would not be happening



looking good though I am getting quite excited by it all and so much support from everyone/ C44ers you will

observe ismet to distraction/ Looking forward to meeting you all on Sunday especially meeting ismet

only problem for you ismet is you wont know whether you are talking to polly or pauline = i will give you a clue = polly is the naughty one

elko2



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Message Posted:
10/11/2010 22:28

In that case I prefer polly

ismet

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
11/11/2010 06:18

From the lack of new posts I get the ımpressıon that some thınk there ıs nothıng that can be done.



Not so, we have to keep tryıng and although I know polly and paulıne keep harpıng on and on and on, ın lıfe

sometımes you have to just keep chıppıng away at the same old thıng untıl eventually somethıng gıves

Paulıne ıs so frustrated and very scare, but she keeps stıckıng her scrawny old neck out, wıth her personalıty

she has no optıon. Dıd any of you ever read 'The Perıls of Paulıne' guess you mıght all be too young.

She has a sıster called Beryl, guess theır mom read too many comıc books!!



It ıs not as ıf we are askıng for somethıng so unreasonablwe. Justıce ıs everyone's bırthrıght

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
11/11/2010 16:22

I spoke to someone at a very high position at Kibris newspaper and asked him to publish the artişcles sent in by Pauline or to make a news item about the event. I am very hopeful that something will appear in Kibris tomorrow or Saturday. I have also written to Havadis, Haberdar and Yenidüzen newspapers about the event. Let us wait and see.

ismet

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/11/2010 17:50

So have I ismet yenıduzen several days ago. So much support comıng ın now.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
11/11/2010 21:00

Pollymarples, I am confident it will be great turn out, have even got the 'old man' to agree to come and that's a bloody first!!!! Threatened to leave him or else. Keep the faith x

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/11/2010 21:02

Am I paranoıd or could ıt be that pressure ıs beıng put on the newspapers NOT to publıcıse the even???



Interestıng questıons beıng asked ın Brıtısh Parlıament about the property scams here - not before tıme.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
11/11/2010 21:14

pollymarples (mess 78)



I agree it is strange about the newspapers?, but so good to see questions are at long last being asked in the British Parliament, but only from good hardworking MP's, and I know it's not before time! but we have to keep chipping away!



natalie (mess 77)



Don't leave "him" just both of you light your candles, and think of all the many victims of this cruelty! I will be lighting mine alone, I so wish my old man could be here!



Keep the Faith!



IF YOU CARE PLEASE BE THERE

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/11/2010 21:47

We will think of you TRNC victim keeping your lonely vigil in your home and know you would be with us if you could. We know you dont suffer from HISS. You are a brave lady. You did your bit and now it is up to us to show the same courage.



Keep the faith







if your care....................be there

/

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
11/11/2010 21:49

TRNCvictim you are in our thoughts, you are not alone x

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 00:57

I read the article in CT i applaud ismet and of course polly, i really hope i can be with you, sadly through our circumstances we have to work. However I KEEP THE FAITH. I will light several candles in the restaurant, my thoughts my hopes my prayers are with you All. if we get finished early enough we will be there

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 07:22

Popped ın to say hello to you Lıllı but you weren't there.



All the Tutuska vıctıms and theır famılıes are comıng - cannot promıse they wıll be quıet but ıt ıs o k they are all



TC's or TRNC Citizens so you wıll have company ismet. Fevzı ıs comıng as are other well known TC's.



I think the observers are ging to be happy with the TC and citizens support we are garnering.



KEEP THE FAITH



If you care ............Be there..............

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 07:44

Pauline has published a letter she sent to Ilkay Kamil = Minister of the Interior on the 11th May 2009

Anyone reading that letter must have known that WITHOUT action what is HAPPENING NOW would happen.



You can read it on North Cyprus Free Press



No she did not have a crystal ball = just commone sense. Something that seems to be lacking elsewhere.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 13:19

TRNC victim



You know my thoughts and I am sure sunday will be a credit to you Pauline and all the others who have never given up and to Ismet and all other turkish cypriots who are making a show of the feelings to their own government.



Pollymarples



I take it everyone is just going to be in the area to observe apart from the people who can legally protest and are there any plans for people to meet afterwards

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 15:29

I just had a call from the Chief of the police, Mrs. Pervin Gürler.

They seemed perturbed about the venue, so near the Parliament and the Turkish Embassy but she did not say anything about it directly. However all the clues were there.

On 15th November, the dignitaries lay wreaths at six points and one of them is the roundabout we planned our demonstration. so they do routine security checks of these six points a day in advance and cordon them off, thus we will not be allowed to use that particular roundabout. I asked her what type of security check because its all concrete but apparently not so. If she says she will cordon it off, so she will and there is nothing we can do about it legally. So she suggested we postpone the protest to some other day which I refused, then she suggested that we hold the protest up the road towards Ledra Palace on condition that we do not obstruct the road. that was no good for me because I wanted a roundabout so that there is a clear ctd

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 15:37

natural barrier like a road between the protestors and the observers. So I suggested the other roundabout near the Central bank and the carpark and that was fine. Then I asked her for a favour to ask the police not to interfere with the observers who may carry a candle. She said that the police will not interfere however the police cameras will be recording and if they determine anything against the law they may prosecute. It was a non-committal statement.

I would say it is a matter of individual discretion whether the observers carry a lit candle or not.



So the show will be at the "Barış Anıtı" as seen here http://www.panoramio.com/photo/999390

ismet

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 16:58

Yeh lıke we couldn't have been told Monday or Tuesday, ıt ıs not lıke they havent been on to us nearly every day thıs week. Especıally wıth the veıled threats to Paulıne,,,,,,,,,,,,Wonder how long ıt took to thınk thıs one up?

Human Rıghts ,,,,out the wındow.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 17:20

PM, I think you'll find the Ismet is used to this sort of interference and is not easily put off, remember that you're just going to be observing whatever Ismet decides to do on behalf of Turkish Cypriot and ex-pat victims of "investment scams" as Greg Mulholland MP called them in UK Parliament. See http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/11/12/uk-parliament-takes-trnc-investment-scams-seriously/

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 20:50

Hope you all keep strong in spite of a change of destination! If you don't carry a candle, don't worry my very large candle will be burning for you all



Human Rights in any Country is very important, candles are not, please everyone support Pollymarples, Pauline, Ismet, Tutuska victims, Aga victims, so many many property victims in the TRNC, we need the TRNC Government to understand that enough is enough, whatever nationality we are all Human Beings with Human Rights!



IF YOU CARE PLEASE BE THERE ON SUNDAY!

gavangie


Joined: 16/08/2010
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 21:45

Ismet, we are very proud of the action you have taken. Unfortunately we are still in the UK but our thoughts are with you and everbody who has fallen victim to the system there. We hope it all goes well.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 07:43

See Ismets article on North Cyprus Free Press.



See Paulines comment also. It sums up all the frustration she feels at the treatment she is receiving from the powers that be.



The Vigil is the important thing. If it were not WHY would THEY go to such lengths to try to prevent ıt. That all the vıctıms are supposed to quıetly accept the WRONG that ıs beıng done to them ıs beyond belıef. At least Dıck Turpın wore a mask, there ıs no shame and no accountabılıty,

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 10:10

Paulıne has sınce last Monday been sendıng detaıls of the Vıgıl ın Turkısh to all TC newspapers - result nothıng.

She has done ıt very successfully before. You have to ask ıs there some form of CENSORSHIP goıng on here?? Now Ismet ıs forced to move the venue. What ıs goıng on??? Is the truth so UGLY that they want no-one to know?? Yes of course ıt ıs very UGLY. That thıs coıncıdes wıth so many ımportant vısıtors comıng to celebrate REPUBLIC DAY. The truth wıll come out no matter what.

Marisa


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 545

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 10:50

Ismet, we will be there as observes.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 11:18

There is an article in Kibris newspaper today about the vigil. I think it was on page 10, not as prominent a news as the English gentleman who swindled his neighbours. If he was a developer/builder, probably the police would not have shown any interest

ismet

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 16:35

Why is it not announced on the HBPG web site? Will Marion Stokes be participating?



Good Luck everyone and Ismet a very big thank you for your continued support.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 16:41

Dont know why not on HBPG web sıte. I do not thınk ıt ıs the way Marıon does thıngs. She, of course

would be very welcome as an observer.



It was ın Cyprus Today on Wednesday and she often posts artıcles from there but not on thıs occasıon.



Her web sıte, her choıce.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 18:27

Strange!



When the Construction Association protest was planned last March outside Parliament in Lefkoşa there was a call for all to support this cause from the HBPG. Protesting appeared acceptable then?



Surely a united front is the way forward?

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 18:46

Ismet. I admire you determination and Commitment to the course, i hope you get the Support you deserve and i believe that your Silent Protest is the right stance to take. Good Luck to you all.



Measey.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 19:00

Just wanted to wish all of you attending the vigil tomorrow "Good Luck" my candle is at the ready

TJinthesun



Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 20:00

Here here, Wish I could be there.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 20:20

WE SHALL OVERCOME - quıetly wıth dıgnıty and ın the sure knowledge that we are ın the RIGHT.



God wıll be wıth us tomorrow.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 23:30

Well done to you all, I wish you all the love and luck in the world, with all your determination you will overcome and as always you keep the faith, I am hoping to be there but because of Mr Robb i have to work to survive x

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 00:11

Lilli,



All Robb's victims (have to work) me included! but try to be there, at least it might make you feel better, you tell Guido you certainly deserve a little time off! and Pollymarples and Ismet will appreciate your presence!



Keep the Faith Lilli



X

StevieF


Joined: 11/06/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 08:50

Dont worry Jenny, some of Robbs victims will be there I can assure you.







Steve.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 10:47

The same old story in the south as well http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/going-bad-worse-paradise/20101113

ismet

racoonchic



Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 15:03

for extra candles and blankets please see brad in the blue strada

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 16:54

Just noticed the time, and realised that the vigil must be on atm.

Praying that you will not be harassed by authority, and that something positive will emerge from all your efforts.

Thanks Ismet for making it possible.

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 17:42

Thinking of you there today.....my candle is lit.....x

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:03

No news yet?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:04

All banged up?!



Richard

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:20

Nobody got banged up, in fact there were more police then protestors/observers. Well done to Ismet who spoke to the press in a very passionate way just such a shame that more did not bother to turn up and support everyone who is facing property problems.

I think given the very poor turnout the message was still put across to the press and you never know someone might be listening.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:32

Teresa (mess 112)



Unfortunately it's always the same, so many just can't be bothered, but the fact that some managed means a lot to so many!



I can't thank Ismet and Pauline enough!



Richard (mess 111)



Obviously you didn't make the effort?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:42

21 (indeed, only TWENTY ONE) foreigners (mainly British and two Dutchmen as far as I could identify them), 12 (indeed only TWELVE Cypriot Turks) and about 10 TRNC policemen: "THE DEMONSTRATION" in Lefkoşa (North Nicosia).

What more is needed to write here, except the following?

Shame on the people who moan and whinge on this board, day after day, the people who claim to be victims of building scams - but didn't show up when the CYPRIOT TURK Ismet Ustuner spend a lot of his time to show support for *you*, the no-shows in his demonstration.

So much for 'solidarity' in the foreign (mainly British) community.

SHAME ON YOU.

P.S. I have no problems with my builder, but I'm very pleased to have supported Ismet Ustuner. And I for one will never care for building problems again. Karaoke, F1, football, food, drinks etc etc etc. SHAME ON YOU.

This thread will be followed up by a thread with pictures, which will make the TRNC government laugh about your involvement.

insider


Joined: 16/11/2009
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:45

I was able to got there just few minutes after 5 but it was finished, only some people in the car park area. Sorry I couldn't get there earlier. My friend told me he saw 5-6 police man in the area, 10-12 protestors and around 40-45 observers. I had watched Ismet Bey on the news, and his speach was quite good.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:47

Msg 113

I didn't receive your offer of transport in time!



Richard

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:50

I just got back home. I think the attendance was pretty poor- about 40 observers and 15 protesters. The good thing was that the press was there in numbers and I will look at all the papers tomorrow and try to translate what they wrote. As far as I am concerned we had a good field day and I am hopeful we will have good coverage in the press tomorrow. The police were very curteous and helpful and I did make a point of thanking them for their time.

ismet

PS: I was pleased but not surprised to learn that the police were aware of what I have been writing on C44 and NCFP

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:56

DutchCrusader (mess 114)



Thank you for being there from all the victims in the UK who couldn't be there today! especially from me



Apathy seemingly rules in the TRNC as it does in the UK!



Richard (mess 116)



Did you ask anyone for a lift? (If I was in the TRNC I would have gladly have taken you)!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:11

RE msg 117, Ismet: (...) the press was there in numbers and I will look at all the papers tomorrow and try to translate what they wrote. (...)

=> Good, we'll see tomorrow. But let's stick to the facts as I was told by an insider: ALL CYPIOT TURKISH NEWSPAPERS were informed about the demonstration and ONLY TWO PAPERS ran a small article. I hope you are right about "tomorrow", but I'm afraid that the little girl_with_her-candle (and no idea what is was all about) gets the attention. She was the most photographed 'demonstrator' this Sunday.

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:37

sorry that I could not be there for today but you are all in my thoughts as always.

Things will never change if we all sit back & do nothing so for those who went many thanks from all those who do support you but could not make it.

Mary x

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:42

thanks Ismet for all your hard work annd a pleasure to have met you



honestie

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 22:30

Some photos here: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/49725.asp

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 22:53

msg 115

Insider,

There was only one video camera at the protest but I did not have a chance to ask from which tv channel.On which channel did you see me on the news?

ismet

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 22:57

Hans the little girl was the grandaughter of one of the people from the other auction, sorry cant remember which builder. When you think of children her age you think innocence so maybe an innocent little girl holding her candle will grab the eyes of those in power. We can only hope!!!!

insider


Joined: 16/11/2009
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 23:34

msg 123

It was on SIM tv Ismet Bey, I dont't know if the other channels had shown it.

insider


Joined: 16/11/2009
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 00:07

its also on sim tv as a hoover text on the bottom of the screen, continuously.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 01:08

Ismet,



lets hope its more to do with quality than quantity. It appears to have been a very dignified protest.



Thank you.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 06:50

As you can all ımagıne by the tıme Paulıne got home (stopped tohave somethıng to eat) tıme had marched on.



Yes the turn out was dısappoıntıng BUT to those who bothered - THANK YOU. Some arrıved a lıttle after the

start tıme. It dıdn't matter. The fırst thıng I dıd was wrıte my artıcle whıch wıll apeat shortly. I dıd a head count, and we made ıt about 40 ın total.



The lıttle gırl who had so many photos ıs Tara the 3 year old daughter of Pembe. Pembe's mum ıs a vıctım

of Tutuska. I thınk the polıce ınterference wıth our venue ıs the bıggest reason for the poor turnout. People were frıghtened. Combıne the permıssıon beıng denıed for the fırst proposed vıgıl, Paulıne beıng arrested

for her coverage of Geoff's trıal whıch we all know

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 07:01

was a botched up attempt to sılence her and they stıll have her laptop. NO summons receıved yet. The fact that Ismet and Paulıne receıved phone calls from the polıce vırtually every day on the run up, the press black out and you can understand why people were scared.



On arriving a secret service policeman glued himself to her side and made it very clear to her not to cross to the roundabout and not to light a candle/ He said he did not want her to give the uniformed police a reason

to take her away/ Make what you will of that. When she joined a group of observers\ he glued himself to Chris"s side/ Poor Chris gets dragged along whether he wants to come or not = joking he is Pauline"s rock.

There was a large police presence but they were polite and courteous/

Strangely this morning Pauline feels like a shaking wreck = reaction I guess/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 07:13

THANK YOU ISMET YOU ARE A STAR AND LAST NIGHT YOU WERE MAGNIFICENT.



Thanks also to your wife and family.



This message come with love from Pauline and pollymarples.







Thank you to all of you who knowing the risks also came......Pauline and polly salute you.







This very strange keyboard is giving me a lot of problems so my apolgies foir the strange punctuation.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 08:45

Artıcle up and runnıng on NORTH CYPRUS FREE PRESS

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 09:22

I have just got the papers. There is nothing in Kibris and Afrika.

Our protest was the first news on Sim TV this morning and it looked good and it covered the basic reasons including a) how laughable it was for the Nicisia District Officer to refuse permission in the first instance and b) despite the fact that all British bought through their advocates and yet inspite of the fact that they paid in full they are likely to lose their homes. so its the system that is wrong and needs urgent attention.



Yenidüzen: Candles lit for Justice. page 4, almost the whole page with one pictutre showing the protesters and the observers at the back.



Havadis: Aggrieved English were not given the right to protest. Page 8. Half a page with three pictures, Pauline with Malcolm, Emine Çolak (head of Cyprus Turkish Human Rights organization) and my picture. A good writeup.



Halkın Sesi: Sislent protest with Candles. Page 15, half a page with two pictures, myself and the group of protesters.



Haberdar: They Searched Justice with Candles. In my opinion this was the best title because there is such a saying in Turkish which means "Justice is so difficult to find that you have to search for it with a candle". Page 3 with the haberdar Banner on top saying "Second Banner". Thus Haberdar had two banners today. It covered over half a page.



All in all, a very satisfying coverage.

ismet

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 09:31

Thanks for your information, Ismet. I'm sure THOUSANDS of foreigners in TRNC could hardly wait to READ about the demonstration. :-(

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 10:09

don't forget that the majority of those with property problems have no home here in which to live and are probably in their home countries. This meant they could not be with us. Kulaksiz 5 homebuyers' absence seems to indicate that they are happy to deal with their evictions without our help and North Cyprus Free Press for one are happy to help them to do so if that is their aim. Perhaps from now on Cyprus Today will keep up the pressure to help them? However, NCFP are happy to continue to fight for those who want our help.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 00:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s3LjXypsXE

The tv news on Sim TV

ismet

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 00:39

Good one Ismet, not understanding one damn word you came across with great passion.

Next step is to groom you to stand for the next TRNC President!



Richard

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 00:54

well done and very brave and courageous of you.



it is now also on facebook

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 07:37

Well, now I know how to record from TV, transfer to computer, convert to any format I like (thanks to information obtained through C44) and finally how to upload it to U tube and then link it to Facebook. It all looks like magic.

ismet

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 08:43

Presıdent Ismet Üstüner does have arıng doesn't ıt.



If I had a vote Ismet, ıt would be for you.





People told me C44 was fılled wıth bıtchıng gossıp - not true - you are all wonderful. I speak as I fınd.



I thank you all and so does Paulıne.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 09:29

Pollymarples,

Please tell Pauline, the naughty one that I am going to set up a fun club if you keep praising me as if I had done something brave. Nothing of the kind. It was a simple demonstration and I enjoyed every minute of it. I did have some strong words about the District Officer who refused you permission, I called it, comic, laughable and ridiculous. It would be lovely if they charged me for insulting a government official but I don't think I am that lucky. Most attorneys know me and they don't relish a fight in court with me

ismet

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 09:33

I would have loved to have supported you Ismet as you have me when I needed you, if only it was a week later



It was a shame so many more didn't but to all those that did turn out thank you, I don't have property issues, but I respect the point you were all trying to make and lead others to do.



Ismet you are a kind and generous man and you look very dashing on TV !!