Where are the tourists?

no1doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 21:23

what with all the new buildings going up - who are they for? Where're the tourists?Who is paying for all this?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 21:59

tourists are down because of high flight prices /exchange rate / not a cheap place any more . Such a shame because it is such a beautiful place lovely locals .

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:00

Good question. I keep asking myself the same. 10% occupancy in hotels. I new hotel in Bogaz, 2500 rooms. Many many more under construction. I am told its Israeli money!!



No water, no direct flights, economy on its knees. 40,000 troops from Turkey, just cooling their heels. Electricity costs (give us a bag of crisps`)



A good time to be bailing out of The TRNC? I think NOT.



Someone knows something, and they aint telling us the suckers.



Doy! You couldnt afford another double could you?



wyn

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:12

Wyn,

Stop being so pessimistic my good man,

Paul.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:19

Hi Paul,



Just because we have turned you into an optomist (You needed something if you support Hull!)



Sucker born every minute!!



Cheers mate,



wyn

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:22

I think we sometimes mistake property buyers for tourists. In the period we were waitng for completion of our apartment we visited the TRNC on several occasions, staying in may of its hotels and sometimes using travel companies. I am sure many other buyers have done the same.



With the construction industry now at an all time low, this has reduced the number of "tourists" to the island. Both are interlinked.



If the construction and government manage to sort out many of the existing problems for buyers then I'm sure there will be an increase in "tourists"

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:26

Wyn



TRNC has been waiting for you!!!



This time next year tourists in their thousands will flock to the Island just to be in your presence. Thats the reason for all the new hotels etc....and your right most of the money is coming from Israel....they know a God when they see one!!!!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:28

Hi Wackyjim,



Lived there for 6 months in my youth!! Great place!



Shalom my friend!



wyn

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:38

Hi all,

The ruskys and the norwegians are also investing big style as well.Direct flights within the year.And a black puddding shop opening in Girne,

Paul.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:46

Hi Paul,



I can understand the Black Pudding Shop, but, why are The Russians and The Norwegians



piling cash in? Perhaps they are adrenaline junkies.! Bradus could be right.



Seriously though....Why is so much money piling in, when the whole lot is an unholy mess,



without a reliable legal system???



wyn

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:52

i believe the black puddings are about to descend upon us this w/e wyn , what is your stance on the french version

regards , pat

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:59

Hi Simbas,



Pud noir. I love it . Cant get enough. Eat it raw. scromptious.



wyn

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 23:03

i will give it a try then

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 23:43

RE Wyn : (...) I am told its Israeli money!! (...)



What bull. "I am told". By whom?! Your posts are board pollution. Please read a book and leave your computer for a couple of days. When was your last post informative?!!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 23:55

D&C



Why dont you just desist, you pathetic little man! The moderator warned you the last time, over the style of your' personal criticism' postings.I have no wish to be involved!



Just back from the pub are you. Posting as the last time.







wynyardman

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 00:02

I was just surfing the net as you do, and came across this website http://www.holidaywatchdog.com. Being nosey I entered NC in the search box and came up with a few hotel reviews. An example of which is:

http://www.holidaywatchdog.com/9050-Kyrenia-Pia_Bella_Hotel-Holiday-Review.html



Worth a read especially the not so happy campers. Just thought this might be worth bringing to the table re 'where are the tourists?'

Martin

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 00:07

Clark Crusader, by day a mild mannered reporter, by night a ruthless cyber bully.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 00:32

RE Wyn (...) Just back from the pub are you. (...)



Dear Wyn, an impressive percentage of your posts is about Effes (wrongly spelled, must be "Efes") in your beloved "Ship". Why wouldn't I go out and have drink?! I can lend you a book if you haven't got one.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 00:51

D&C,



I really dont think this style of posting, is of interest to anyone, Certainly not me .Please desist.



wyn.

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 00:57

how many effin effs are there in effes or efes? I actually thought there was 2 But does it effin matter?



ps no effes/efes for us till Sept so have to make do with voddy & tonic hic!

SAFFI


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 342

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 01:03

Dutch



I think you need to have a drink and chill out, maybe an efes or two effes,

or may be some alternative healing, anger management might help !



Take care



Saffi

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 01:07

tourist have all gone to turkey this year.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 01:11

If prospective tourists log on to this site and see the useless, petty and uncalled for personal attacks on board members, by residents ,what sort of impression will they get and will they really want to come and spend their hard earned money.

Why do some members feel the need to turn every post into an attack on others, it really is getting very annoying so come on DC, give us a break or at least come up with a worthwhile subject to debate.

SAFFI


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 342

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 02:36

Well said , yet again Hattikins,



We love TRNC and have been holidaying here for over 15 years at least once a year.

We arrive and our shoulders automatically come down and we enjoy every moment .

We are counting the days now for our next visit, can,t wait, Always have a great relaxing time,



regards



Saffi

wearytravellers



Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 06:28

Dutch Crusader



Zal ik jou van avond aaeens lekker en je gezicht spuiten ????

SAFFI


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 342

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 06:39

come again !

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 10:18

why don't you leave this forum with grace , it's so very evident that most of the members do not appreciate your postings , and nor do you appreciate the lighthearted humour in which wyn posts { at least we can have a laugh with him , with you i'm ready to self mutilate }, lets call it a day , it's getting too tiresome and heavy { not what this forum is all about }

hammer


Joined: 09/12/2007
Posts: 115

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 10:29

the best way to deal with someone who posts repeatedly in this fashion is to totally ignore what is said.Suggesting they leave or how annoying or arrogant just feeds there ego. on being provocoative if i were to make statements that stir your emotion and you reply 1 point me the more that join in the more points i get. if totally blanked i get nothing. I might just go away and try somewhere else.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 14:01

hans mijn fijne Nederlandse vriend die ik u die vindt het aan esy om Engelse eople omhoog op hier te winden het bent geen sport heb gevonden meer uw fijn verstand verspild=wordt= op dit.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 15:16

Trouble with visiting NC is its not readily advertised here in the UK. There only seems to be a few specialist tour operators which offer package deals.



You wont find Thomas Cook offering it!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 15:30

Dont understand all this Dutch! (according to D&C English either)



Is this a case of.....Hans, Knees and Bumpsedaisy? (just for you Simbas)



wyn

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 16:23

I holiday twice a year in NC & i like the fact that fellow tourists are rare. If it was realy bizi i doubt i'd go !

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 16:36

kenny,



You should have been here 15 years ago, bud.

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 16:37

Wyn



Its spelt Bumpsadasie.....us not edukated or summfin!!!!

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 16:40

wish I'd discovered it 15 years ago pte

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 16:40

Point of order Wacky



I stand corrected, at least with style!



wyn

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 18:36

Hi Wilts Girl



The problems with the lack of tourists it is not just the lack of main stream TO's but also the problem for us tour operators with lack of available flights for peak seasons as all those who own property, rent villas or for whom NC is home snaffle the flights.



The country had a charm and was relativley unspoilt until recent times so was asey to sell but as more fancy hotels and property is built that one major selling point is disapearing making specialist and niche tours to TRNC more difficult too.



As fewer operators can afford to advertise the country it will get less trade too.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 20:53

Direct flights! Clearly a need! Who is stopping them, and why?



wyn

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 21:23

Hi all,

I happen to enjoy Wyns witty and amusing posts even if he cant spell afes.I feel that he always brings a certain amount of good humour to the forum and long may this continue.



Wyn,

I hope the scathing attacks fom the crusader havent meant that you have spent the day in a darkened room drinking meths to help you drown your sorrows.Time to come out dust yourself down and do what you do best.And write some of yourwise and witty posts.And dont let that nasty Mr Dutch Crusader upset you.

Have a great weekend.

Dutchy,

Leave the nice Mr Wyn alone.And remember the hit mob from Hull are watching you lol,

Paul.

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 21:28

Well said Paul. Never thought we would see Cyber Bullies on this forum!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 21:32

Perhaps the unobservant have failed to notice this poor victim has shown himself quite capable of a little cyber bullying of his own.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 21:35

Pikey,



Delighted to assist!



Paul,



Spoken like a true Yorkshireman. Keep the faith!



wyn

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 21:39

The unobservant have never known Wyn stoop this low Pike.



All your comments do, is show YOU in a bad light. For someone who is often ramming their moral high ground down our throats, your behaviour certainly does not reflect this.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 21:52

Sue,

steady on there girl put Pikey down you dont know where he has been lol,



Have a great week-end,

Paul.

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 21:56

Like-wise Paul, although as usual the weather is set to be rainy and windy. Might have to do some retail therapy, ready for holiday in September.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 22:01

Sue,



I stoop to conquer, and then perhaps we can all move on!



wynd (its the Efes you know) Note I have never mentioned The little "f".



wyn

Krin52


Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 22:34

If tourist numbers are down, then who the heck is driving all the blasted rental cars clogging up the roads???

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 23:04

bradus: "...ramming their moral high ground down our throats..."



Better when you take your teeth out.

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 23:27

Krin52

Good question. Locals who can't afford to pay the road tax on their own cars?

Just a thought.

Oh, and all you naughty people who live in NC and or who have a villa, stop snaffling those flights so that some of them 'tourists' can pay a visit.



Meanwhile just what 'delights and experiences' are there for said 'tourists' to see if they leave their hotels that will encourage them to revisit?

Martin

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 00:10

rtddci



There was no complaint at the people who get the flights the point is that if tour operators cant get clients there they will send them to other destinations. (While people can still afford to fly.)



And before you start to compalin about not enough flights try to remember the economics of running any company mean that you can't only cater for the peak usage as most of the time your capacity will be severley under used and the prices will rise further to cover for this. You can't just mothball planes, pilots, cabin crew and ground staff (effectivley putting them in a cupboard) for 40 weeks of the year which is what would happen if the peaks were catered for



A number of airlines have gone out of business serving TRNC because they saw the peaks and ran scheduled services but did not allow for nearly empty routes out of season.



So the tourist industry must change if it will help the North Cyprus economy survive. And all locals (including expats) must change their attitude to and about tourists and the tourist industry as well as what they say about this corner of the Eastern Med.

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 00:33

Flightholiday

I was taking your comments tongue in cheek I'm afraid. Don't mean to make light of a serious situation.

As for flights, I can understand the airlines problem especially with Zoom just going bust. I wasn't aware that anumber of airlines had gone out of business serving NC. Pegasus seem to be going ok.

I'm sure if KTHY stopped it would be disastrous for NC. I can see the Greek side having fun with any traveller using the South airports and crossing the border.

As for 'So the tourist industry must change if it will help the North Cyprus economy survive. And all locals (including expats) must change their attitude to and about tourists and the tourist industry as well as what they say about this corner of the Eastern Med.'

I'm not sure what you are inferring in particular.



One point I would make is the way expats and thus tourists have been treated (see the many whinges, sorry legitimate concerns) expressed on this and other forums i.e. lack of legal protection, lying lawyers, estate agents, builders, litter dumped anywhere, roads, accidents etc etc.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 01:41

Flight holiday,



Would you happen to know if Pegasus are loosing money?



wyn

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 02:13

As previously posted its interesting to see the Cyprus Mail was saying hotel in the ROC are 95% occupied for August despite complaints about how bad the tourist season is there as well.



The south would also be suffering from the strength of the euro as well for British tourists who represent a big percentage of their tourists.



Aussie

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
03/09/2008 15:25

The tourist is presumably a person who stays in a hotel. The number of these having been inflated by purchasers of property like myself, staying in hotels numerous times before completion. How many tourists have recently become owners, thereby not needing a hotel. Even worse how many properties will be completed in the very near future? Drive from Girne to Tatlisu and count them.

The hotels opened in the last few years have either missed this point or are very sure that a settlement will come soon with its increase in tourists and direct flights, before they have to close down.

The flagship of this must be the Malpas which is a great hotel but had some incredibly low occupancies in June and July. A beautifully designed building , well managed and a good asset to TRNC which could run into problems unless a solution comes soon.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/09/2008 18:49

I had half board holiday in CRETE this June and taking in I had hirecar for aweek and my bar bill for 2weeks it cost me a jot under 2000 for 2 of us.The same hotel next June 2009,same board,same company,no hire car, no bar bill,is£2006 just to go,tyhats one hell of an increase.So I decided to look for something else,when she who shall be obeyed,said a friend of hers told her about TRNC.I serched the web and found Ican rent an apartment,have a hire carfor 2weeks,quite a few of the famous or imfamous EFFES,eat well and still get change from 1750 quid,needless to say i am coming next year. (last time I was in Cyprus it was not divide and Kyrenia was the British Forces R&R centre.)

jonnytwoscoop



Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
03/09/2008 19:14

I'm coming , I'm coming , fear not jonny and his misses are coming back next week , I will try and boost the Girne economy single handely by feasting on the local produce and washing all that glorious scran down lots of the local golden nectar, this is our 6th consecutive year in TRNC and can promise that come what may with the price hikes etc , we will continue to come back and if all goes according to plan a will be either purchasing or renting within the next 18 months, buying preferably especially if the prices are returning to somewhat more realistic , we have seen the demise of Cyprus paradise and other operators to TRNC in the time we have been coming over and until some sort of settlement can be thrashed out there will always be the propaganda being pedalled by the other side making it hard to advertise the beauty of TRNC , at Arsenal's new ground there was a TC who put a TRNC flag over the stands where he was sitting along with many other national flags , and after a few games the compliants started to come in , not about any other flags just the TRNC one , the upshot of that is that all national flags are banned !!!! will the hatred ever end ? any way looking forward to next week and seeing favourite haunts

robin hood


Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 238

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 16:39

The problem seem superficially simple. If the govt (TRNC) stopped it's inane tourist subsidies to the clan members and subsidised flights to the island. more would come. From Germany I can get off peak 5* half board for as little as 89€ in Alanya. eg Feb-Mar 2009. About the price of a meal and a few drinks in Girne Harbour. _How many tourist agencies are there in Girne? Anyone counted?

hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 17:10

Perhaps hotels should take more notice of what their guests say about them. 'Service' seems to be rather lacking at times.



I illustrate this with these 2 sites, not for the hotels themselves they are just examples.



http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g190378-d673703-r19565319-Malpas_Hotel_Casino-Kyrenia.html



http://www.holidaywatchdog.com/9050-Kyrenia-Pia_Bella_Hotel-Holiday-Review.html

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 17:36

Have no fear ,I think other tourists will catch on when they see what the price increases are for there holidays in hotels outside of TRNC NEXT YEAR. I certainly did and am looking forward to my visit to TRNC.

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 17:38

Hector.



I do not think you can take to much notice of tripadvisor etc. Though they give a good guide line not everyone posts on them. And as for tour company statistics people dont tend to use them now they book direct with hotels. Not only TRNC but everywhere tour companies have shot themselves in the foot by giving people 2 price levels. Time and time again you arrive at same hotel and someone has always got it cheaper than what you paid.

hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 17:49

I hope you are right. I wonder if price increases will also affect holidays in NC. Meanwhile travellers booking on the internet (they'll have trouble finding holidays in travel agents or advertised in newspapers) are likely to look at holiday review sites (and possibly forums like this one). Genuine reviews are important. When I read negative reviews (and you can tell those that have the ring of truth) I despair. It doesn't take much to either make of break someones holiday.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 18:14

t





















try "holidays uncovered" they give reviews of hotels all cver the world,in fact Ithink they are better than trip adviser

































here is another site if you want to find reports on hotels etc.

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 20:27

Chick,

"And as for tour company statistics people dont tend to use them now they book direct with hotels. Not only TRNC but everywhere tour companies have shot themselves in the foot by giving people 2 price levels. Time and time again you arrive at same hotel and someone has always got it cheaper than what you paid."



It does rather depend on the tour company we have never done so nor would we. The hoteliers and airlines are doing it though as they often undercut the prices that they give the tour operators.

They then expect the operator to:

1] Advertise the holidays and hotels

2] Have large admin costs (not one receptionist doing a little of this and that with no expertise).

3] Take responsibility for the hotels and airlines when they get it wrong

4] Pay huge amounts of bonding and insurance to protect the clients



None of 1-4 do the hoteliers / airlines / transfer agents contribute to.



I do agree that two price tiers is not fair but you also need to remember that if an operator has paid for all the seats and space they may break even but make no money unless those last 5/10 seats are also filled.



Tom

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 20:39

Tom



I do agree with what you are saying, but when you get 4 brochures with the same property and with all different prices, not just by a pound or two but several it is very oft putting. But then I have discussed this with you in the past by phone.

Thanks for cheap flight tickets.

hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 20:57

Coachie

You ok? Trust you didn't collapse over your keyboard whilst sending your reply. Care to send again?

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 21:11

May bring relief to local residents but Escape beach club are closing for the winter on SEPT 14th, No doubt Kervansery will follow suit just as they done last year, friends of mine went there early October to be told'BEACH CLOSED'.and they wonder some dont come back!!!.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
04/09/2008 21:42

hi hector, sorry about the reply andmess up, but like i said on another part of the forum, we oldies have not quite got the haang of all these keys,but what i was trying to say was.try holidays uncovered on the web if you want some reviews of hotels etc. you might find it is alittle better than trip adviser

Rogerdoger


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
05/09/2008 22:50

What DC needs is a visit from the Black Pudding Mafia

no1doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/09/2008 22:17

Wyn, Pegasus are not losing money - they have just ordered 24 new planes. They say that by 2010 they will be the largest airline company in Turkey.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
07/09/2008 22:32

Thanks no1Doyen,



Very useful information, in these troubled times for airlines.



I have been missing your morning wake up jokes!



wyn

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
08/09/2008 12:17

Hi Wyn



Have been in the trnc for the last 2 weeks - got home yesterday lunchtime. It's been very hot out there. I'm also amazed by how much everything seems to have gone up by since we were last out June. Theres a great deal of uncertainty out there. A lot of homes are up for sale with people either wanting to go back to the UK or somewhere else. Yet they are still building out there. We drove out towards Esentepe - there are literally thousands of properties empty - and still they are building. Commercial as well as private properties. If you drive out the other way towards Alsancak there are properties there going up. On the road out of Girne I saw workers laying pavements in an area where there were no immediate properties in the vicinity. They were working under lamps up to 10pm at night! What's all that about?

I read an article in Cyprus Today a couple of weeks ago saying that the government was paying around £60m - yes £60million - per month in salaries and pensions to government employees. I'm amazed.

I certainly think that something is going on - somebody knows something. There is talk about a deal having been done and that the current talks are merely a formality.

On another note - the best meal I had whilst we were there was at Efendis in the old turkish quarter. Really good and wonderful ambience.

Oh well back to work - take care my friend.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
08/09/2008 13:21

Oh forgot to mention - There is a huge building going up opposite Ezic Premier on the new by-pass. I am told it has been funded by a Greek Cypriot Entrepenour with the help of a TC Entrepenour.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
08/09/2008 17:39

Sorry - should have been Entrepreneur

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
08/09/2008 18:01

You reckon?

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/09/2008 18:04

it looks like more shops.