Opinions on Turkey joining the E.U

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
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Message Posted:
13/11/2010 19:33

http://northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_FeedRedir.asp?FID=11760



Time to move on,perhaps,

Paul.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 20:53

If you can get BBC iplayer, Abdullah Gul was interviewed on "Hartdtalk", the man has been closely involved with Turkey's accession talks for about 10 years. Even he is not optimistic , stretching credulity when talking in terms of 2025 before any possibility of joining, and then only after a yes vote in a Turkish referendum.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 21:11

Lovegood,

Not sure what you mean there matey,

Paul.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 22:04

I don't want to be in the EU anyway

Sundance


Joined: 15/07/2010
Posts: 213

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 22:13

I,ll go alone with that Paul, what the Tory party got to do with this,????? Im happy having sweet dam all to do with the EU



Sundance

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 01:25

i hope it dont happen

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 15:00

the appeal of eu membership to poorer countries is considerable



some of the reasons include massive farm and regional payments,

projecting political agendas,

and...what turkey already enjoys, free trade

even so, when poland joined, the germans ensured their agricultural support was cut



britain's situation is somewhat different:

the overall funding balance is very much to britain's disadvantage

while in terms of politics france/germany normally have the last word



lt now seems very clear turkey will no more be admitted to the eu this time

(france continues to block five chapters)

than it was granted membership of the european common market,

when it first applied in 1959



a major problem for the uk, if it voted to leave,

would be whether free trade is also discontinued, this could put millions on the dole



finally, with ireland now a complete financial basket case

and portugal talking of dropping the euro,

all bets are off for the future of monetary union

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
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Message Posted:
14/11/2010 15:37

looks ever more likely that Britain is heading down the" Third World "tubes...................Wasn't the E.U. an elaborate experiment ,now going wrong in a BIG way...It never seemed viable to unite Nations with a history of conflict,both ancient and modern, so why would having the same currency change our historical opinions of one another.?

Poodledog


Joined: 20/11/2009
Posts: 158

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 19:44

Really, it's not what us "ex-pats" really want or do not want. It's want the local Turkish Cypriots want. Having spoken to a number of them of different age groups and social standing, it seems that the majority of them do not want Turkey to be admitted to the EU as that would automatically mean that the TRNC becomes part of the EU and they also do not want unification with the south.

I suppose there are arguments for both situations on both issues, but as an ex-pat, I would prefer things to stay (politically) as they are. That's one of the main reasons I came to live here - to escape the absurdity of British politics and the wasteful and corrupt activities of Brussels!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 19:49

poodle i really do not know, i speak to the young yuppies they want it for their childrens future. Then i speak to the ones whom have seen 74 and they tell me thats the day they leave. We wait now till the 18th and see what happens next x

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:26

There should be an announcement on the 20th Nov 2010,

Paul.

Poodledog


Joined: 20/11/2009
Posts: 158

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:35

Lilli - it was particularly the young yuppies I spoke to who didn't want either solution.more so than some of the older (middle-age) ones who aren't quite sure what benefit (if any) there would be from the EU. They still reckon that the south side and Greece would deliberately set out to cause more problems.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:47

message 9 poodledog:



at last someone has spelt it out:

just place all of cyprus inside the eu "aquis", work back in time a bit and

...hey presto! the turkish army left cyprus in favour of "majority rule"



there must be one parallel universe where all this actually happened,

out of the infinite number that are said to exist



...we will of course overlook that universe where "muffin the mule"

appears in the news of the world: "marionette in shock scandal probe"



meantimes though, we have in the left hand corner, north europeans,

most of who do not require more hungry immigrants competing for jobs

(this is not necessarily my opinion)



and in the right corner, the current bonkers gc regime,

hoping even as the bus drives away the europeans will have a change of heart

and beg greece, the roc and france to lift the blocked accession chapters



...it's a dirty world

BillBarnacle


Joined: 20/04/2009
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 22:00

Cant understand why they would want to.



Its a corrupt club and there is no money left. Just ask the Irish. Still they voted to be in the club so serves them right

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:38

is ireland's problem that it is in the eu? well... yes and no



it was the availability of dirt-cheap *credit partly fuelled by a pan-european property bubble,

with a subsequent collapse of confidence



but this may not be a good time to "hit the banks"

...at least let them get back in the black before hitting them with extra costs and heaps of new regulations,

but that is all part of the blame game politicians love



I still think smaller poorer countries gained much by eu membership:

in return for their votes the eu leadership pays them off

... and their workers can move to richer countries if they want

the situation for britain is somewhat different, it is a big net contributor



as for turkey for all the huff and puff there was never the slightest chance of membership this time

...but the government there will put on a brave face and maintain it doesn't want to join now



andre



*credit... ie using someone else's money but promising to er...pay it back

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
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Message Posted:
16/11/2010 08:21

Andre_514



all these 'theoretical musings' of 'yours' appear to be jumbled ramblings - many of which I guess you've read - and re-quote.. you claim to have 'no opinion',but keep arriving at ones, based on nonsense data.



1/ Ireland's economy was stoked by the inward investment as a net beneficiary of EU funding, grants, low interest loans to locate... e.g Dell, Seagate ..bla bla..



Money bred money, and the N.I peace dividend meant property investment moved 'over the border' sending NI prices up too fast, too - they went higher than the SE of England in North Down ( stock-broker belt, Belfast-style)



2/ The EU gave Ireland a 'confidence' to clear the shadow of the UK influence and it seemed like it would never end... Now the Celtic Tiger is b chasing it's own tail as house prices spiral downwards and the banks can't cover the cost of the loans.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/11/2010 08:34

cont



3/ Turkey: it has gained it's current trading status *because* of it's progress in joining the EU.. it's continued non-recognition of the RoC having signed the 'Ankara accord' is a folly of it's own making. It's not like the 'rump' RoC are threatening to veto... other EU member states won't tolerate an acceding member, breaking the rules and even making 'new' ones.. If Turkey can accept the RoC 'exists for the Eurovision Song Contest ....



4/ Reasons for joining: many smaller EU nations saw membership as a way to economic stability, some saw it as a way to come out of the shadow of a former ruler ( Ireland), some saw it as giving actual stability as nations - having been under the 'Soviet yolk', and some thought it would mean the end of being occupied by a third country's military... ( the only acceding nation of 2004 were a vote to join was 'silly' as everyone knew it would be a yes !) .. the 'rump' RoC - in case you didn't guess ;)



cont

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 08:38

5/ It's not just in the NE corner where immigration is a huge problem..it's mainly the southern states from where the illegal immigrants arrive in the EU... and the 'rump' RoC is inundated with asylum seekers who arrive via the 'TRNC'



I hope these corrections have an effect on the process whereby you arrive at your conclusions.. but I doubt it ..



As ever, I think they are based on a TR in the EU meaning a soln for Cyprus that seems to inexplicably 'frighten' many non Cypriots in 'TRNC' ...