[ERROR] A grave journalistic faux pas in British journalism!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/11/2010 19:32

Standing in the shadow of the world famous Roman Catholic monument, the St Sophia Cathedral (now the Lala Mustapha Pasha mosque)... This Greek Orthodox church is a most interesting example - perhaps almost unique on so large a scale - of the mixture of Eastern and Western ideas in plan and detail.

See the beautiful drawing from 1878 and the picture(s) I took in 2006 - not many differences. But the illustrator, obviously a 'newby' in Famagusta, confused the names of two churches... A grave, journalistic error...

But - what is the right name of the church this unknown illustrator should have noted down..? Or did 'they', the editors, make an error in London, while editing "The Illustrated London News"..? Like so often, we'll never know what happened...

Check it out here: [ http://is.gd/hPAIU ].

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/11/2010 19:36

Sorry, wrong link in msg 1. This must work: http://is.gd/hPzAf

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/11/2010 19:46

From msg 1: But - what is the right name of the church this unknown illustrator should have noted down..?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/11/2010 20:10

I'm stumped Hans. Give me a clue.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/11/2010 20:16

Yeah. And then you delete my clue and celebrate your 'right' answer. I know your tricks by now, Bill. So: not.

famagusta99


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Message Posted:
26/11/2010 20:22

Well, that is of course known as St. George Greek church today. But are you sure it was the mistake of the journalist? All the churches were not all identified before later, me thinks. Perhaps it was generally known as St Sophia then? A very interesting find, in any case, thanks!



I don't understand your other comments about St Sophia?....the Lala Mustapha Pasha mosque in Famagusta was formely known as St Nicolas Cathedral, AFAIK



Also, interestingly, when your fellow Dutchman de Bruin visited, the top cupola was still standing:

http://www.famagusta.name/Scans/Famagusta1698a.jpg



And Dreghorn writes about it here: http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/drfm1.html#church



Ps: I have emailed you: did it get through, this time?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/11/2010 20:51

RE msg 6, famagusta99: (...) I don't understand your other comments about St Sophia?....the Lala Mustapha Pasha mosque was formely known as St Nicolas Cathedral, AFAIK.

▶ Erratum: You are right, my mistake

RE msg 6, famagusta99: (...) But are you sure it was the mistake of the journalist? All the churches were not all identified before later, me thinks. Perhaps it was generally known as St Sophia then? (...)

▶ Several medieval authors, mainly writing travelers, mentioned the churches of Famagusta and their names (even the ones that have now vanished or are unidentifiable). This church (exact name in English: "St George of the Greeks") is shown on an engraving by Stefano Gibelliino, Brescia, 1571, a witness during the siege (Cyprus, Famagusta - The siege by the Turks). "St George of the Greeks", the Greek Orthodox metropolis (cathedral), is named in particular by Fra Stefano Lusignano (Itallian edition).

▶ I have replied to your email. Regards, Hans Doeleman.

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
26/11/2010 21:08

Re : Msg 1,



Sehr geerhter DC, staying on the subject of Famagusta: Have you come across the gravures by Tristram Ellis



"Famagusta by moonlight", 1879

and

"The Cathedral in the old city of Famagusta", 1879 ?



I find them breathtaking, mysterious and captivating.



Clarissa

famagusta99


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Message Posted:
26/11/2010 21:28

msg#7: "Several medieval authors, mainly writing travelers, mentioned the churches of Famagusta and their names (even the ones that have now vanished or are unidentifiable). This church (exact name in English: "St George of the Greeks") is shown on an engraving by Stefano Gibelliino, Brescia, 1571, a witness during the siege (Cyprus, Famagusta - The siege by the Turks). "St George of the Greeks", the Greek Orthodox metropolis (cathedral), is named in particular by Fra Stefano Lusignano (Itallian edition)."



Ah, thanks for that information. And yes, it makes sense: being that large it would have been known and named. I have barely scratched the surface of the fascinating history of Famagusta...and now I'm leaving. Sniff.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/11/2010 20:17

RE msg 8, Clarissa2: (...) Have you come across the gravures by Tristram Ellis (...)

▶ No, I have not. I tried some searches but couldn't find these images, just some text mentioning them. Do you have a link?

famagusta99


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 18:11

I came across this on ebay today:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cyprus-St-Sophia-and-relics-FAMAGUSTA-/110618209195?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c15bebab



..an old postcard of Famagusta, with St. George and St. Nicolas...and the text: "Cyprus, St Sophia and relics, FAMAGUSTA"

I am not quite sure what the title refer to, though; is St. Sophia another name for St. Nicolas...and "relics" the ruins of St George? . ..Or is "St Sophia and the relics" used to refer to St. George?



In any case, obviously the name St Sophia was used by more people than the above journalist. Note that it was a Greek publisher (=should be knowledgeable about the "St George of the Greeks"-church)

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 13:17

Re : Msg 10,



"▶ ...I tried some searches but couldn't find these images, just some text mentioning them. Do you have a link?"



DC,



No, I don't. The trouble is that most of his engravings and prints are in private collections and there are no images available on the net. Some are being sold by auction, and the images are available to members only.

So I can not help you with the link. Sorry.



I have only 3 photos ( 2 of Famagusta, 1 of Bellapais) of his engravings as an illustration to the old guidebook of Cyprus. If you are interested , I can scan them for you.



Clarissa

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 17:50

RE msg 12, Clarissa2: (...) I can scan them for you. (...)

▶ I'm very interested to receive the scans (or I can download them if you give me a ftp link). Please scan the pics on 300dpi or 72 dpi (1000 pixels). Thanks a lot for your kind offer. If I can return the favour - just let me know!

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 21:37

Re : Msg 13,



DC, I've scanned the pictures as best I can. So you can perfect them on your Mac.



I'm going to email them to you, if it's OK.



Clarissa



P.S. The good news : I found 2 more illustrations: site of Cœur de Lion's camp and Kyrenia Castle.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 21:44

RE msg 14: Thank you, Colarissa2! Very kind! Regards, Hans Doeleman

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 22:24

Re : Msg 15,



Have sent 2 emails.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/12/2010 09:07

RE msg 16, Clarissa2: Thank you very much, I received both emails including the scans! I think they are worth to share them with the happy few, interested in Cyprus' culture, on C44 and other boards. I can write some accompanying text and give a link(s) to the artist, Tristram Ellis. Do you agree?

P.S. I seldom Photoshop old pictures, drawings and other graphics - they are usually nice the way they are in 2010. OK?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/12/2010 18:15

This thread is officially hijacked (one post only... ) for the benefit of underprivileged TRNC children: the secret is revealed here: ▶ [ http://is.gd/i68sZ ]...

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
02/12/2010 18:21

Officially? who says?

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
02/12/2010 20:18

Re: Msg 17,



Dear Hans,



That would be very nice of you, and I am sure will be very much appreciated by many readers with the interest in the history of Cyprus.



Clarissa