name and shame

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 13:30

Dear All,



Just thought you might be interested in this. There is a double page spread on Donaghy & Heath who have left 15 residents without an electricity transformer at their development. They are now asking for more money for infrastructure, a problem all too common with developers in the TRNC. The purchasers have already paid for this once before, but the buiLders (who have since become partners in 2 well known estate agents!!!), are saying unless they pay for another one, they wont get it!



As the Government does not intend to help people of the TRNC it is left to the likes of us to highlight developers like this and warn future purchasers. If anyone is in a similar situation, please feel free to email or PM me and I will be happy to try and help: you are not alone out there !



Ozmen



Cyprus Star

hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 374


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 14:32

I think 'naming and shaming' is the correct way to highlight these builders/ shysters if things are ever going to change.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 14:43

forgot to to say copied message 1 from another forum .

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 15:05

Totaly agree hector , buyers with serious issues now have the chance to bring concerns into the open , it is such a big stride foward and he guarantees that this to be his aim , i urge all with problems to contact him , unhappy buyers now have the help of Homebuyers pressure group and the Cyprus star , so in a nutshell badly treated buyers could be a thing of the past . Also the ruthless builders and there associates may think twice before they decide not to carry out there obligations .

oliveoil


Joined: 16/03/2008
Posts: 4


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 15:31

dont be lulled into thinking you can beat these people because there are far more sinister things happening

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 16:19

olive oil , i agree with you , but this is another way forward to help stop and deter these sinister things happening , dont you agree ?

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 197


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 16:28

I believe that naming and shaming highlights the need to change the system and laws here to provide protection and security for purchasers and return confidence back to the construction industry and boost the economy.



We were served with libel papers for naming and shaming, however we are not worried because we have stuck to the facts and the truth which is backed up with evidence.





Sibel



Please sign the petition to amend the specific performance law:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/peti ... index.html

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 197


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 16:31

You can seem some of the info re this story on this link:

http://trncvillaowners.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4299



or in Cyprus Star tommorrow.



Sibel

doughnuts40


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 43


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 16:36

Isnt the Cyprus Star owned by the owner of medview homes that a) has not handed over any title deeds, b) mortgaged homes that have been sold c) charges exorbitant annual maintenance fees and d) threatened to take the HBPG to court but have now become 'friends'? Ironic they are the ones naming and shaming! Im sure they will report the full facts truthfully!!!!

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 2595


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 16:51

Will the sam source that has run the article on Donaghy & Heath run an article on why no medview home owners have their kochan ??

The butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 379


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 17:23

Hi Doughnuts40,



I was just about to say the same thing, I agree with everything you say and not only that but if you refuse to pay these exhorbitant charges, Mr Ali Safa refuses to let you have water. Our site is still not finished although we do have electricity and water and the build is of a high standard. I cannot believe this crusade that the Cyprus Star newspaper is now involved with as I think they should be putting their own house in order first.



Steve

doughnuts40


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 43


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 17:37

Steve, people are very fickle here! Very quick to jump on the name and shame boundwagon but hey lets forget what this guy has done to hundreds of property owners! Im sure a 'professional' publication such as this got 'both sides of the story' as this was his biggest gripe when everyone was naming and shaming him! Lets see!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 17:49

perhaps he could answer himself if he reads this . Mmmmmmmm

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 18:04

The butler could i ask did you know in advance when buying re charges ? or was high charges introduced at a later date ? did you sign a contract re charges ?



also re not allowing you water , how can he do that ? this info will certainly be helpful to others



Cheers .

The butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 379


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 18:32

Hi Pipie,



We all signed a contract for £475.00 + vat per year. After the first year it went up to £1250.00. Of course we all kicked up and said we wouldn't pay it, we were told we wouldn't get water and they would make it difficult if we wanted to sell our properties.. The reason he can stop us getting water, is we have to buy our water from him as the water tank is communal. We drive a 70km round trip to buy water at 10ytl a ton. Now Medview are naming and shaming other developers, how hypercritical is that???



Steve

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 18:40

''crikey '' makes you think what can happen . Thanks for info The butler.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 139


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 11:28

Really makes you think dosent it, !!!

I have to agree that name and shame is a way to go but too many people skirt round issues instead of saying directly what the problems are.

Some make big issues of small things, most complexes in the TRNC and in fact world wide have issues, I myself was in Florida recently and the complex on which I was staying at Clearwater (built 8 years ago) had the swimming pool out of action, the tennis courts were not finished and the hot tub was broken, when I questioned the warden he shrugged and said it happens all the time the reason is peoples fees are the same as two years ago but prices have gone up 30% and he cannot pay for the pool maintenance, really makes you think, trouble is some dont !!!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 12:48

On the subject of maintenenece , as a majority of complexes are in there there infancy ,some maintenenece companies are under the impression that they simply set charges without remit , what some m/c tend to forget is that at this point owners do not have a choice of m/c .

When m/c are put in post this is probably the choice of the developer, now if the m/c is fair with charges are customer focused and build a good rapour with owners all involved will probably have a good relationship.



What owners and m/c need to be aware of is that if complexes are left such as the one mentioned in message 17 owners can simply ask for tenders and than choose a m/c who can then provide a good service and good value for money , clearly the complex manager (mentioned in messege 17 ) did not have the ability to run the complex , as he/she did not set out a forward plan to ensure ingoings covered out goings .

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 374


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 13:03

I am told that Cyprus Today have run a story about the British couple arrested at Ercan on arrival because their builder claimed they had stolen his paint pots. Male banged up for 3 days before he was told why. Paint pots were found in the shed. Nothing to do with holding back money re snagging of course. Male now on bail. Beware what lengths builders will go to.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 13:19

Im sure Ismet will have a good response on advice for that couple on what they can do , im sure there are laws in place to enable this sort of ill practice to be stopped .

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 1132


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 13:33

For those who do not remember, Marian Stokes tried the route of naming a builder, whose name escapes me now but I do believe he owns a large building company and a "newspaper"!! She was threatened with a massive legal claim.



Sorry, but in this country when the former british population amounts to less than 5% of the total population this can only lead to massive retribution. Name and shame linked with continual slagging off of local people for "ripping people off" etc on these BB's will lead to more than most of you would want to admit.



Unfortunaltly the answer to all of our problems lies in the legal system and the government making laws to root out the wrong doers.



As for the story in CT the law is probably on the side of the builder, a tin of paint went missing 2 years ago and the last place it was seen was this persons house. Morally it is a load of rubbish and we all probably know what is going on.



Instead of blustering here making all sorts of allegations how many would take to the streets in protest at the way we are treated. Totally illegal of course but how serious is everybody about being pro active instead of just making noises!!!!????

DutchCrusader


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 363


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 13:43

RE cyprusishome : (...) Instead of blustering here making all sorts of allegations how many would take to the streets in protest at the way we are treated. Totally illegal of course but how serious is everybody about being pro active instead of just making noises!!!!???? (...)



It won't help, but... well said!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 13:45

Name and shaming is the only way to go , Ozmen has publicly said he would do it through the star , all people have to do is get in touch with him ,some people have , proof is in the paper .!!!! Just as Ozmen

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 2595


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 13:46

" how many would take to the streets in protest at the way we are treated "



Hans I am supprised at yoU, THERE IS NO RIGHT OF PROTEST for Foreighners in trnc.

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 322


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 14:00

Ozmen works for the Star, which strangely enough is owned by the company that Marion Stokes was threatened by.

Funny old world, ain't it!!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 14:14

Also for those that are unhappy please dont forget that you also have the HOMEBUYERS PRESSURE GROUP that you can talk to at Pia bella hotel every tuesday , you can also E/mail Marian marian@ayza.net



please sign



http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/peti ... index.html

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 15:34

oops not working try this one .



http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petitioncyprus/signatures.html

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 16:12

Msg 19 :"I am told that Cyprus Today have run a story about the British couple arrested at Ercan on arrival because their builder claimed they had stolen his paint pots. Male banged up for 3 days before he was told why. Paint pots were found in the shed. Nothing to do with holding back money re snagging of course. Male now on bail. Beware what lengths builders will go to."



Somehow I don't feel I have to know any more about this incident than to assume there would be grounds for racial discrimination, wrongful arrest and false imprisonment. Even ignoring the fact that it's clearly a civil matter, wher's the evidence and coroborration? Mickey Mouse Plod strikes again.

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 197


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 16:14

Dutch - you are right. We can't even get enough names on the petition, let alone arrange a peaceful protest. We all need to act pro-actively and support changes in the law that protect buyers. Trying to get the Specific Performance Law changed is one of them. Please sign the petition. If anyone wants a paper copy of the petition to collect signatures then please email me:

sibellehodge@hotmail.com and I can email it to you. Or you can collect a copy from the HBPG surgerys at Pia Bella on Tuesdays 12pm - 3pm. The only way to make a positive change is for us all to support each other. If anyone has tried to sign the petition, but has had problems, please email me and I will put your name on.



Sibel



Petition:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petitioncyprus/index.html

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 16:18

Msg 12: "...people are very fickle here! Very quick to jump on the name and shame boundwagon but hey lets forget what this guy has done to hundreds of property owners! Im sure a 'professional' publication such as this got 'both sides of the story' as this was his biggest gripe when everyone was naming and shaming him! Lets see!"



The only people who try to fearlessly name and shame put themselves at great risk. Turkish Cypriot journalists have been victims of firebombings, assault, wrongful arrest and murder. Beyond the expat world of brandy sours at the harbour and barbecues, that's the kind of vicious and corrupt banana republic the TRNC has become.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 16:22

RTC: "THERE IS NO RIGHT OF PROTEST for Foreighners in trnc."



Nige, is that stated in the "constitution" or is it a "law"? Because someone said earlier the TRNC wasn't racist. Either way people should get themselves on to the streets after tipping off the papers and TV stations with the time and place. That's how to get things done here.

The butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 379


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 16:32

Hi All,



I wonder if Ozmen from Cyprus Star who's surname is Safa will put Medviews name at the top of the list for naming and shaming. I very much doubt it, I have written to this gentleman privately and pointed out to him that he should be putting their own house in order first but I received a very negative reply, something along the lines that although they were owned by the same person they were different companies. So that is how you get out of your responsibilities, it is so easy in the TRNC.



Steve

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 308


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 16:43

Steve - "So that is how you get out of your responsibilities, it is so easy in the TRNC."



That comment may be a little unfair; if he proves a good journalist then he might be unbiased, if not and he bends to "proprietors pressure" then that is a different thing.



Many Turkish Cypriots do speak out and try to act correctly, some Brit's do that too.



Some do not that is the nature of humans the world over.

doughnuts40


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 43


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 17:28

Flightholiday - That comment may be a little unfair; if he proves a good journalist then he might be unbiased, if not and he bends to "proprietors pressure" then that is a different thing.



Of course he will not be unbiased. His father runs this business and is actively involved in it. Ali Safa is not just Ozmen's father but also his employer so he cannot possibly be unbiased. Medview homes have treated people terribly - yet they are the ones naming and shaming other companies? Come on guys am I the only one seeing the whole picture here? The Star is a third rate rag and everyone that purchases a copy just puts more money in the coffers of this man that still today HAS NOT TRANSFERRED ANY TITLE DEEDS! Will the Star please print a reason why or NAME AND SHAME MEDVIEW HOMES? Afterall the Star only require ONE person to complain to get it on the front page.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 2645


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 18:06

Special Constable Pikey,



Isn't that called conduct likely to cause a breach of the Peace?



only joking! Some of us do!



wyn

cocos


Joined: 04/04/2008
Posts: 100


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 18:13

You could always name and shame Medview in the Cyprus Today?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 20:06

re Medview and there maintenenece fees , does anyone know what owners receive for charges i am keeping an open mind here just curious ??? !!!

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1380


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 04:15

remember that all tc's are related. name and shame will not help anyone. all you are going to get is a big load of trouble. tread on one cousins toes and they will close ranks on you.

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 285


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 07:32

Pipie

I pay my way in my well build Medview home in Esentepe. I dont complain at the 3.50 GBP per day that I have to pay for the completed and functional infrastructure, the maintenance of the infrastructure, the site security and the grounds that are being developed into what will be a very nice area once matured, the access and continued contribution by Medview towards the general running of the site. There is always somebody there from Medview to help out should there be a small problem. It does seem a lot at 1200 quid a year but as all things new there are uncertainties that require addressing and sometimes unforseen costs that cant be predicted.

A big jump from the 450 I will agree but what it is, it is.

We cant stay here for free.

Skogsy

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 08:48

Thanks skogsy .



Obviously you are mostly happy with all so that is nice to know , would have liked to have seen exactly what you get for the £1,200 a year , pools , sauna , hot tubs ? how many apartments etc



Cheers

MartinMedview


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 1


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 08:57

First let me declare an interest. I am the Company Secretary of the majority of the Medview companies in the UK. I also contribute to cyprus star. I also own a property on a Medview Development



On the question of deeds cyprus star this Friday will carry an article confirming that the owners on our development at Edremit will be receiving their individual deeds next week. It will also state that by the end of the year owners on 5 of our developments will have received their deeds.



It is very easy to blame the developer for delays in the issue of deeds. The steps that have to be taken to get to that point are, I understand, many and the usual nightmare of bureaucracy in North Cyprus does mean that it can take years. However, some of you may be aware that a Pressure Group has been set up in the South because there are cases there where deeds have not been issued 20 or 30 years after purchase. So credit where credit is due. The North is actually quicker than the South.



The position with regard to maintenance fees has been explained at length to all Medview owners. When the developments were first being planned about 4 years ago someone somewhere made a guestimate that fees would be 475 sterling per year. Since that time I do not have to tell you the level of inflation in North Cyprus. The minimum wage has increased numerous times, the cost of water and electricity has escalated. Yes, it was necessary to double the maintenance fees in the year 2007/8. However, because the developer, and that means Ali Safa, has agreed to personally subsidise the fees there has been no increase on any of our developments for the year 2008/9. Fees have been kept the same notwithstanding the 12% increase in minimum wage which has just been announced, the 100% in electricity since the beginning of the year. I could go on. As Ali Safa says, if you buy a Rolls Royce then you have to expect the service costs of a Rolls Royce and not a Ford Fiesta. Given the constraints of Cyprus Medview Developments are well run. Everyone has water, everyone has electricity, there is on site management to give peace of mind to those who only get to be at their properties a few weeks a year.



Medview makes no apology for using every means to "punish" those who do not pay their fair share of the maintennace charge. Why should the few expect the many to carry their share?



Medview has promoted the setting up of owners' committees to put forward the views of owners and to be a part of the process by which decisions are made.



Yes, Medview has made mistakes but we have tried to learn from experience.



Any open minded people out there who want to see the truth should try and visit a Medview Development. You will see good quality finish, immaculate pools, pleasant communal areas which are, in the main, well tended and clean. There are Meview Developments in Bogaz, Girne, Lapta, Esentepe and Edremit. Take your pick.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1380


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 09:17

all on pre '74 turkish title are they martin?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 09:30

Thanks Martin , that would be nice i for one would like to visit .



I think this type of response from Martin is quite a positive step forward debating from both owners and company representatives and it should be aplauded .

Well done.









Skogsy In the meantime would be nice know info re message 40



Cheers

The butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 379


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 09:38

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MARTIN,



When did you last go to Esentepe? The site particularly E block is a mess the pool is filthy and leaking and the landscaping is non existant. Anyone who reads this board go and look for yourselves. Martin you are talking about Sunrise Beach Club which I admit is beautiful but then what would you expect when that is where the majority of Medview staff have their holiday homes including Mr Safa. Also where is our onsite manager? we don't have one, we are paying for one but she visits once a week if we are lucky.



Steve

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 285


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 10:06

Hi Pipie

Yes. I am extremely happy with what I have.

As I said I get peace of mind for three pounds fifty, or whatever at the exchange rate, per day and everything works and looks good.

3 very nice pools. No Hot tubs, saunas and to be honest they can be more problems than they provide joy so it doenst bother me one bit. Just saps the funds that are already being used for the upkeep and in now, as Martin says, very difficult times with the costs of everything going up and up not the best use of money.

There are appartments on the site but I dont know how many. Never actually bothered to count them.

I think I see where you are going with this and agree that some developments have tennis courts and shops and bars and whatever and the costs maybe not quite as high as some Medview costs but I didnt want to live there. I chose where I am because it didnt have any of those facilities. I like peace and quiet. My choice.

Skogsy

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 59


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 10:34

Pipie is obviously on a personal crusade against one company but she is going about it all the wrong way, she is putting peoples backs up sooooo much, fire starter in message 37 hit it on the nail, we all need to be aware that we are not in good old england and english values mean nothing here, Turks and Turkish Cypriots will not let it lie and the laws of the TRNC will not protect, while she can spit her rhetoric from afar she would be better minded to remember that we live here as guests in their country and I for one do not wish to change things to much, as this is one of the reasons WE moved here - to get away from all things english.

It is also noticable recently how Pipie has jumped on the HBPG bandwagon, plugging it at every turn, and yet she has never come out and said exactly what her gripe is and to whom it alludes, perhaps she is just one of these people who has a personal grudge come on lets hear it, put up or shut up

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 11:42

Lazydays .

Why do you accuse me of jumping on the HOMEBUYERS PRESSURE GROUP band waggon, surely i am only promoting a group that can help people out there , maybe you have a problem with someone who can seek advice , ?maybe you have a problem with someone who supports justice and fair doings ?

, maybe you have a problem with buyers questioning there rights , ?

Maybe you have a problem where people are not allowed to air there views or ask questions , because all of you're posts clearly show you have a problem with me . Mmmmmmm .



Up to now Lazydays youre arguments against me sum up that you support a culture where you think that buyers have no rights to complain and discuss issues/concerns ,

you promote me as someone who whingers /moans , i would clearly look at you're on this if i were you as there are serious issues warranting people to speak out , we are putting up as you say look at the responses .and long may it continue .

you are entitled to youre opinion , and i am entitled to mine and i will continue to continue so to speak , and neither you or anyone else will silence me on airing my views .

My other responses are as follows .



I also am a guest in the TRNC I have respect and i can say that i adhere to all rules and regulations .

However that does not mean that i can be ripped off, threatened , intimidated and treated unfairly or does it ? you seem to indicate that i should .

I for one never compare english values with any other country but i can say i am proud to be English .



Regarding you accusing me on a personal crusade and that i am going about all in the wrong way , how do you know what way one should go ?!!!!



Regarding me putting people's backs up i ask now who ?!!!

willie w


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 2


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 13:48

I want to ask how people say things to one another on these message boards and the personal attacks are so obveous, there are five or six people always slagging each other off on here how do youse not go away and let things lie

cos in my eyes you are all just trouble makers !!!!!!!

now go away and let us be in peace, pipie, punk rocker you are the worst

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 13:52

welcome Willie noticed you have just joined Mmmmmmmmmmmm !!!!

The butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 379


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 14:35

Hi All,



I have contributed to this thread and had my say but I think it is time to put this one to bed because as usual it is getting personal.



Steve.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 14:45

Thanks skogsy , good postive post . cheers

cocos


Joined: 04/04/2008
Posts: 100


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 16:52

Whats wrong with jumpong on the HBPG bandwagon? They are the ONLY people you can rely on here to give you honest advice and help. They are the ONLY people here who do this in their own time at their own expense of petrol etc to help others. They are the ONLY people here campaining to get laws changed for your benefits. They are the ONLY people here who actually care about the dire mess alot of people are in.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 2595


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 16:54

Here here cocos

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 17:12

Cocos i agree entirly ,

Why an earth people like Lazydays constantly post negatives surrounding my efforts for fair play , i do not know unless they either enjoy seeing other people's downfalls concerning bad practice or associate and support the culture that does ,

either way i do not intend to respond any more to Lazydays as quite frankly his/her comments are just out to attack , clearly not capable of debating

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 172


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 18:08

Martin,



Please enlighten us as to which other 5 Medview sites are likely to receive their title deeds by the end of the year.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 2595


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 18:11

None it is a vile and untrue rumour

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1380


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 06:26

first you all complain about not having title deed and ptp. second you want to name and shame. do you not look past today? cyprus is a very small place.tread on the wrong toes and your card is marked. we have lots of tc friends, if we need anything they help us. why are you alienating yourselves from the local comunity? They can help and are willing to for their friends. do you not think forums may be monitored by people other than admin? when your being harsh with the woman in one office, please remember she is related to the guy in the next office you need to visit. just think before you speak. this is not the uk, with uk laws. you are here as a guest.keep out of trouble, deal with people politely, be patient and everything will fall into place.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 1132


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 07:17

30 posts on and I will repeat my comment - name and shame is the wrong way, especially in this one man crusade pipie seems to have. Many of us have issues with builders etc and in my opinion pipie you are doing none of us any favours. As has been stated most builders, lawyers etc read or have people read these BB's for them. As you appear to have not made any effort to get inside the Cypriot psychie you are causing yourself problems for the future, as fire starter says above - "your card will be marked"!



Most of us agree that Marian and co at HBPG are doing a good job, however I am sure if you talk to Marian she would advise you to change you mode of attack on this BB.



I have just read the above by FS and I am sure I have used most of the phrases myself many times in the past. I seriously urge you to change tack because as you can read above you are loosing the support of people on this forum quite quickly. I cannot remember how long you have been here but we have been over two and half years trying to sort mess of ours. Another member above has been over 4 years and I believe has had problems that make yours into trivia (no not Amaranta).



I still go back to my earlier post, if you are so angry try to organise a mass protest. Yes has been stated it is illegal for non Cypriots but since when does the law stop anything happening here. You know who to discuss this option with and done the right way who knows would turn up.



Good luck

David

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 1262


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 09:35

Firestarter/ cyprusishome .



If you feel that in order for me to speak my mind my card will be marked , well it is no wonder that there are ongoing problems , if you advise me to as you put it change my tact , freedom of speech comes to mind here . I for one only wanted what was in my contract along with others , however if freedom of speech is not welcomed then my posts on this subject will be refrained , have a good day both .

joandjelly



Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 778


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 10:04

Pipie



The last two posters are actually trying to help you by giving you good solid advice. You should think about the fact that they live here and know the locals and how things work. Perhaps you should take a step back and re-read what they have said. It isn't about freedom of speech it's about respect for your hosts. If you make friends with a Cypriot they will be your friend for life. It seems that you want to go the opposite route and I fear you will only achieve a lot of heartache and grief.



Jo

johnsovx



Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 8


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 11:38

I was thinking of buying in the north, but with all these reports i must admit i have second thoughts.

Is this maint charge scam the norm or has anyone any positives.

Would be grateful any advice.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 366


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 12:04

Vic.....do not be put off buying...there are many positives.

It can be a minefield buying in TRNC but if you take the advise of the many who have done it, do your homework and question everything you could end up as one of the positives.



My hubby and I spent 5 years doing our homework, numerous visits etc before we bought and I guess we were one of the lucky one's that found an excellent builder and have to say after 6 months living here, it's the best thing we have ever done.

Rogerdoger


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 23


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 13:14

A lot of threats going on here, Pipie, is correct, it's called freedom of speech, maybe some people should look the meaning up, and refrain from the threats



Pipie,



Well done,

sobeit


Joined: 11/09/2008
Posts: 1


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 13:22

Rolls Royce service? Paying for Rolls Royce service and getting Trotters independant Robin reliant. So if you can put the maintenance up by 100% which was signed for on contracts where is our money for Medviews late finish?

Why won't the builders sort out the settlement cracks?

Why are the pools not cleaned and are not fit to swim in?

Every year it is the same excuses too hot for planting used too much water so have to cut back in other areas.Rolls Royce service thats a hoot.

Can you hand on heart say that prospective buyers won't be promised the use of all facilities and then denied them.

what would you say to new buyers that in 2009 the maintenance wont go up again?

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 139


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 13:45

I have said from day one that we must approach things properly in a reasonable fashion and this has not happened in some peoples cases here in TRNC and on this board these people continue to whinge incessantly instead of trying to be constructive they are being destructive, and believe me Dodger you would only realise this if you knew who and what you were dealing with, "stirrers" as will be proven soon

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 299


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 15:29

Pipie

With all the talk of lawyers and builders taking notes of who is saying what. and 'cards being marked' .

Maybe for your own good, going by the sentiments expressed here.it might be as well to keep quiet,and let things cool down,remember, where money is involved things can become desparate and people sometimes say things they dont really mean.



As for Pipie putting people off buying, the unusually vehement tone of this thread against one person has probably done more to dissuade anyone reading it, from having anything to do with buying in TRNC, than Pipie could ever have done.





Reminds me of when Princess Di died and a kind of mob rule took over that almost

put at risk anyone who didnt agree she was a saint.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 374


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 17:40

I find the remark 'tread on the wrong toes and your card is marked' both threatening and sinister. In other words keep your mouth shut or else.



I also find the remark 'If you make friends with a Cypriot they will be your friend for life.' very patronising and a massive overgeneralisation. Obviously doesn't apply to any other nationality then.

cocos


Joined: 04/04/2008
Posts: 100


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 17:48

I agree with HEctor. By not naming and shaming you are basically allowing the threats/failure to honor contracts/blackmail/withholding title deeds to carry on unhindered in favour of the developers. It's just sweeping it under the carpet and saying its acceptable. Do you really want that? By making the information public it shows that we won't put up with it any more and may make people think twice about doing it. It will also make future buyers aware of the problems. Why should people put up or shut up when they havent got what they were promised or have been subjected to all sorts of things purely and simply for investing here? Until these bad apples realise that this is not the way to do business, it will carry on.

joandjelly



Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 778


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 18:21

Hector I'm sorry you thought I was being patronising when I sai