the cyprus talks

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
04/09/2008 20:18

demetris christofas and george iacovou have said ,regarding "guzelyurt" must be given back without debate,before negotiations have even started .

i don,t think it will be possible too achieve an agreement with such methods,they also have expressed they will be looking towards karpaz and maras .

i believe these talks will head in the same direction as all the other talks if the

greek cypriots adopt this attitude,maybe i,m wrong and the greeks will suprise

me .

musin

long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 10:26

Unfortunately for you the real Cypriots have already voted for reunification by electing two moderate leaders on a settlement ticket. Now the devil is in the detail. You are but a dinosaur.

dixie normus



Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 199


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 10:50

Nice one Pikey, I'd agree the deals already been done, Talats got nothing to bargain with , an economy in free fall, Turkey no longer bailing the TCs out, his backs to the wall expect a sell out as its his only way out and the GCs know this, were F***ed.



D.N

shytallknight


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 41


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 10:56

Then maybe his only option is the EU, one way or another, I think it's a rock and a hard place at the moment.

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 149


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 11:08

Pike



And it is this moderate leader who is making all these demands before the talks have started ?



Thank god we do not have a hard liner.



Freedom forever.

ilovecyprus



Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 1571


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 11:29

Yes a deal may already have been done and yes the TCS have absolutely no bargaining power. How popular is Talat though right now? I am in the trnc at the moment. I have spoken to a few TCS about reunification. It seems clear to me that they do not want to be sold out and would not vote for anything that does so.

dixie normus



Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 199


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 11:39

Hi ILC, do you believe the TCs will get a vote? if they do will the full facts of the deal be known,I think our only hope is the Army refuse to accept GCs conditions and that will be a slim one as it would put the screws on Turkeys EU sights



D.N

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 133


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 12:02

Eh, eh, calm down, calm down, did you read Talat's speech on BRT tuther night. He's no capitulator. Why do you think he was in Turkey the day before talks began, getting his hymn sheet from Gul and Erdogan (OK, a couple of days)? Pikey, you are a naughty boy, you know that song 'Dead End Street' by the Kinks - benim kaynanna is packing her suitcase already!

PtePike



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Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 15:15

frontal,



I wondered what happened to that cheeky window cleaner out of Brookside. Anyway, you have to insert massive face-saving clauses in this part of the world. IMO the GCs are well aware of that and are cutting Talat some slack as he has Ankara breathing down his neck. He also had to come out with some rehetoric to keep the idiot partitionsts and nationalists happy for now. They are too dumb to see it though, as msg#5 shows.

littlenige



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Message Posted:
05/09/2008 15:32

sorry to digress but



ilovecyprus could you contact me please

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 19:31

response from turkish goverment regarding guzelyurt ,"we are not here for a no vote ,but guzelyurt will not even be on the agenda "





musin

long live the kktc

ilovecyprus



Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 1571


Message Posted:
05/09/2008 19:40

Hi Nige



Contact me on my personal e-mail. I will look at it tomorrow morning. I dont have my phone with me



Mark

boysie2670


Joined: 28/01/2008
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
06/09/2008 09:54

You'd think that brother "commies" would agree on most things,so maybe

the talks wont take too long !!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
06/09/2008 12:11

Oh sure. They are real commies!

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 133


Message Posted:
06/09/2008 12:59

Eric, seems most GC politicians are expecting talks to fail!



Still, you know best!



BTW My son calls me Sinbad, cheeky so-and-so!

PtePike



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Message Posted:
06/09/2008 20:57

frontal,



I always thought you were a dead ringer for Sinbad which is why I have a soft spot for you.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
06/09/2008 20:57

susanne,



My thoughts exactly.

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
06/09/2008 21:31

I have my very serious head on tonight. Should people be scared.... Yes/No/I don't know (it's an indecisive head too).LOL



I have spent a lot of time in the South and probably the same amount of time in the North. I live with a 1/2 TC who was born in the UK. No-one can persuade me to side with their argument. I make my own decisions on issues, whether that is liked or not.



I read Talat's speech and congratulate the author. It was well balanced and gave some comfort to the "hard liners", like my father in law, husband. What was very clear from that speech is that these are the terms of negotiations. The starting point being TC's will not be governed by anyone else. If they can get beyond that hurdle, which will not be palatable to the GC then meaningful negotiations can begin.



I think (for what it's worth and contrary to my Husband's view) that a reunified Cyprus would be for the benefit of all citizens. Not only will it end the isolation of the North, which in itself is not beneficial to the people, but it will be a positive step to the economy as a whole.



Now, Talat has made it absolutely clear, in that speech, that the TC state has survived for the past 34 years with isolation and can continue to do so. Realistically it is feasible, if negotiations break down, that TRNC can continue indefinately. At what cost though? The drain on Turkey. The cost to the people of isolation, lack of tourism, lack of investment, and more lacks to numerous to mention on here.



As advocated by Talat, a united Cyprus, governed by two separate entities that can only be of benefit to both communities. Why are people fearful of this? If agreed under the settlement, a self governing rule. No change there then? The change and difference it would make to the people of NC is this:-



1. Entry into the EU and the money and benefits that would bring.

2. Increased tourism, direct flights, full hotels, bars and restaurants, cruise ships into Famagusta, more money in the pockets of the TC. The North would be buzzing.

3. EU money to save the ancient ruins, and historical sites that the tourists are only too willing to pay money to see.

4. Money to update the infrastucture.



These are just 4 small reasons why IMO the peace process and the talks

must bear fruition, for the people of TRNC who, in my opinion have suffered enough under the isolation.



Again, rant over. Sorry.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
06/09/2008 22:13

kate

ask yourself the four points you have highlighted ,who has inflicked these on us

and when you have answered this question then ask yourself at what price can this be achieved .

turkish cypriots are not stupid and the greek cypriots are not clever.



kind regards

musin

long live the kktc

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
06/09/2008 23:17

I do respect everyone's point of view and by posting my opinion on here I do not seek to change/alter/agree to others. I have my view. You have yours.



"ask yourself the four points you have highlighted ,who has inflicked these on us."



The GC's. But now you have the opportunity to change that, whether you will or not, or whether you will accept that or not is a matter for you, and of course the TRNC Government.



"and when you have answered this question then ask yourself at what price can this be achieved".



I refer back to point 1-4 and more and a self governing nation. And your problem is?



turkish cypriots are not stupid and the greek cypriots are not clever.







kind regards



musin



long live the kktc

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 01:38

I refer back to point 1-4 and more and a self governing nation. And your problem is?







turkish cypriots are not stupid and the greek cypriots are not clever.















kind regards







musin







long live the kktc







This BB is so frustrating. No editing, no quotes, no emotions. Izzy can't you get this BB onto phb888? Yes I agree you do a fab job but please more facilities x



Anyway back to the matter in hand - Musin. Quote above.

Of course TC's are not stupid. I live with one. I know.

Yes the GC are not so clever - so now - can you use that to your own advantage?

It's not rocket science is it?

I revert to points 1-4 above.

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fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 06:42

i do agree that the tc community should not have to be forced to live under gc's. as the past has shown that this is not possible. but i do also believe that the issolation has in part been caused by the goverments in the trnc. they have kept the population issolated from the outside world and influences for so long, that it has done more harm than good for the people. having lots of tc friends i find that the things we grew up knowing or taking for granted, they don't have a clue about. even though they are willing to learn. its not that they are stupid far from it, but its common sence and day to day issues they can't seem to understand. like pick up the dog c--p because it can cause blindness in kids. so many people in my village didn't know this. just one example but on a day to day basis i find myself explaining stuff that they should have been told.

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 09:23

Susanne, where did you get that smiley thing from?

PtePike



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Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 10:41

Colon then close bracket



Great post BTW.

ilovecyprus



Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 1571


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 16:51

w26kay



I like the quality of your posts. I used to read your posts of trncvilla with interest. This is a great post



I notice that the common theme in each one of your 4 points is the receiving of funds.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 17:08

kate

msg 21



"i refer to point 1-4 and more and self governing nation and your problem is"

ok maras,magusa ,guzelyurt ,erenkoy,and girne ,whats left for the turkish and for what ,as talat says we have survived for 34 years ,how about this senario

let the greeks allow recognition and then ask for something back ,but as long as they hold a gun to us and ask us to choose,then this is my problem and i am not alone

resources on turkey been drained ,don,t fool yourself turkey will never let go of cyprus and turkish troops will never leave and the quicker the greeks realise

this the quicker we can come too a settlement.



musin

long live the kktc

coolkid


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 31


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 17:31

do not know an awfull lot from past events I think it goes back to the 1950,s but suggest all will have to forget the past within reason, but more important is fairness to all peoples for now and the future.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 19:17

hi kay

a well thought out post, yes you are right about argueing with people views, but sometimes another person's view can alter you own view cos it makes you see something in a diffrent way!!!



all your points i agree with in a perfect world, i dont wont to sound like a pessimist but what musin is saying is also correct at what price and what will north cyprus be gaining only things that it should have anyway that is nc's human right, where on the other hand the south want land back (compensated is not eunf)and of course the most strategic places aswell as many other things

and what talat says north cyprus has survived 34 years without any light they can carry on another 34 years and beyond and lagain like what musin says even thou turkey wants to see a solution aswell but they are also not preparied to just leave their turkish cpyriot brothers and sisters out to dry financial burden or not

again the big thing is trust which again not trying to be nagative there is hadly none and the thing is education but how can we have this when items like this appear to add to the propaganda

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=41245&cat_id=1

and saying about rocket science and using it to the nc's advantage now think at like this a wild donkey is not very clever but is very stubborn and you try to tell it or try and reason with it wont listen!!!!

lets just hope that any kind of resolution is good for both sides not just one side cos its a two way street then if its not fair then the north can be reconized as a indepantant state or can carry on the way it is which many people in the north are used to anyway!!!

warm regards to all

ukturk

no1doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 2739


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 20:01

w26kay. Totally agree with your excellent post.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 20:35

no1 doven

you agree with what ,the turks giving away north cyprus to the greeks ,and where will you be then my friend ,out on yer ear son ,the turkish welcome you

the greeks they will rid of you ,just like the 60s .great post yes and it would work too if the price wasn,t too high.

north cyprus is turkish and it will stay that way ,these talks are not the first and they won,t be the last ask any t/c in cyprus and they will concur

musin

long live the kktc

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 22


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 20:51

Everybody seems so euphoric at the idea of EU membership. Thinking of vast loads of money being invested into the TRNC by other members of the EU. But just stop to think for a moment - yes money will come pouring in - but also rules - now can all the businesses (I don't mean the government or local councils whose workers seem to enjoy protected employment, short working life, great salaries and pensions and time to run various business at the same time) survive if a decent minimum wage with a working time directive limiting the number of employee hours per week is imposed on these businesses e g garages, hotels restaurants shops etc. Will they (as the British do) obey every rule of the EU or just take the money and shrug their shoulders at the rest. As far as the land/housing question is concerned what about 'possession is nine points of the law' and 'squatters rights' after 20 years - all based on English law.



I'd really love some comments/opinions on this - please nothing about thongs and the correct spelling of Efes.



Thanks in advance

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 23:37

Hi Geoff I didn't mention the house/land issue in my list of 4 as this is a separate issue entirely from some of the financial benefits that NC could acquire with EU membership. The list was not exhaustive BTW. There are two reasons why this issue was omitted.



1. It is far from straightforward, and IMO I am not wise enough to put forward any alternative proposals, save for relying upon the mechanisms that are in place now for claims and compensation. I would be very interested to hear if other members have views on solving this particular problem?



2. Lack of time when I posted.



I have thought long and hard about the issues of housing/land, as no doubt the higher echelons in the "powers that be" have done. It is a difficult one. You are absolutely correct in that this issue will have to be handled extremely sensitively. I simply don't know the answer. Sorry.



I have read the other responses very quickly this evening (as again time is against me) I didn't want to appear rude and not post a response. Some very valid points there. However, can I get back to you Musim, UKTurk and Joanie1 when I have considered properly what you have said?



Thanks.

Kay

PtePike



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Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
07/09/2008 23:58

ukturk"...turkey wants to see a solution aswell but they are also not preparied to just leave their turkish cpyriot brothers and sisters out to dry financial burden or not..."



Wanna bet? These peace talks don't just appear out of thin air.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
08/09/2008 00:06

joanie1: "As far as the land/housing question is concerned what about 'possession is nine points of the law' and 'squatters rights' after 20 years - all based on English law."



You wish. These points have already been tested in Cypriot, British and the ECHR courts and have been ruled as nul and void. The only thing that has (illegally) kept Turkish and British settlers occupying Greek Cypriot properties is the presence (up until now) of the Turkish army. End of. And where do you get 20 years from?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
08/09/2008 05:42

my question is: will turkey give up their chance of joining the e.u because of cyprus?

i think not.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
08/09/2008 09:47

pike

long time no hear!!!!

belive you me i think i am in a better postion to quote on turkey's postion by living here, nearly every day there press reports on the t.v and papers on turkeys postion that they want a solution not just because they want to join the e.u and release the financial burden also the army have also said they are prepaired to leave only on the condintion that the turkish cypriots security is safe

and if it was a case to leave them out to dry they woul have done over 30 years ago!!!

ukturk

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 149


Message Posted:
08/09/2008 11:21

Excellent reply Ukturk



Love the link on Msg 31 which clearly shows the real problem of Cyprus



All propoganda and wanting to rule over us all the time.



Nothing has changed. The only thing that they are showing us as a new carrot now is EU.



But I believe if there was a referendum about EU in Turkey at the moment most people would say NO.



EU will only want to accept Turkey in 8-10 years time as the population in EU will be too old to work and the ratio of workig to drawing pension will be almost 1 to1 .

They will need young work force but by that time Turkey will be firm on its feet and in a much more strong position then EU itself.



Biker

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
08/09/2008 19:14

salih

we will be lucky if we are full members any earlier than 15 years .

and like you say where will we be by then ,will we want to join and how many more countries will join before then and more importantly will any eu country pull out by then ,climates change, its to early to worry about it one way or the other.



kind regards

musin

long live the kktc

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
08/09/2008 23:45

Joanie1

Hiya. Now I have to cast my mind back a very long time to answer your post. So I will try, but please don't hold it against me .



There are two different points here -

1. " Possession is nine points of the law"? Actually no it isn't. I will tell you why in a moment.



2. "squatters rights' after 20 years - all based on English law." - Again No.

_______________________________________________________________

Answer to point 1.

This is a myth. There is no specific legal ruling which supports this statement.

Your statement meaning that possession, or the keeping of something belonging to someone else, is better than claiming you actually own it?

An example for you - If I loaned you a table and you kept it, do you think you have the right to keep it forever?

I have a redress in the law as I can prove it is my table, and I paid for it, and also to sue you for it's return, or, if you really want to keep it......the value of the table.



The moral of this story is, that everyone (including me) who bought exchange (esdeger) land knows, (or should know) that eventually they will have to compensate the rightful owner (if indeed they come forward). That is the gamble that was taken at the time of purchase. It is no good relying on "Good Faith" etc., (sorry Wyn), good faith will not mitigate in these circumstances. Ignorance, or lack of knowledge, or lack of advice provided by your "lawyer" will not mitigate either.



Now, I have to say that IMO it would have been wholly unrealistic for TRNC to have remained dormant over the last 34 years and not sold land etc., but, do not rely upon what you are told by TRNC Government, Estate Agents and Lawyers. There is a mechanism for compensation claims (on both sides) and therefore should you be the subect of a claim, you will have to stump up the cash. The Construction Industry as a whole and I blame Lawyers (primarily) - they are supposedly acting in your best interests? Yeah right? Estate Agents and Developers who have duped/lied/mislead the ex-pat buyers into parting with cash to line their own pockets. They are the guilty ones.



Having said that I am waiting for the decision on Orams next week.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Answer to point 2.

I will try and answer your point, in the best way I can, but again, please do not hold this against me.

Adverse possession, (which I believe you mean as Squatter's rights) is when you acquire rights over another's property.



For instance .....

i)a right of way you have used over a period of years as access on land that belongs to another, or:

ii)putting up a fence around land not owned by you because it appears unused by the owner, or;

iii)occupying a property for a specified period of time, contrary to the true ownership of another's interest in the property, and therefore acquiring an interest in this property.



These are just some examples.



The required time of uninterrupted possession has changed recently in the UK. There are different time rules dependent upon the date.

There are certain conditions and obligations you have to comply with in the UK if you wish to alter ownership of a title, such as informing the true owner of your interest in the land and specify your reasoning for claiming that land, and registration of your interest at HM Land Registry.



The situation in TRNC is very different. In the UK a true owner can come forward at any time to check on his property/land. This has not been the case in TRNC particularly when the "border/green line" was closed.



Therefore, you cannot rely on adverse possession in a situation where there was an intervention, and the true owner of the property was prevented from coming and going to his or her property in the normal course of events.

This argument would fail.



BTW - The

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 00:31

UKTurk.



I agree there has to be compromises. Both sides have to have a "level playing field" here. I don't think you are pessimistic at all. I understand the struggle the TC's have had, to get here today, and that they do not (quite rightly) want to relinquish any lands/areas. It is not a perfect World unfortunately, but, we have to look at the bigger picture. If they want Varosha? Do you really want it? I know it's Turkish Land and they have found the Deeds, Vekaf, but realistically it would have to be bulldosed down and rebuilt. If they want to do that let them! It's just one area after all. It's going to cost them big time to rebuild it, and, who do you think is going to benefit? Yes, let them build their hotels, great, fantastic. For tourism. My friends who have shops in the old City of Famagusta will benefit from all that cash from tourists. At the moment they are suffering from NO tourists.



Karpaz - no I would hold out for that (if it was me of course) but as I said level playing field etc., give and take etc, what are the GC offering? I don't know this? I should read the news more.



Yes Turkey wants a solution but at what cost? It is a difficult question?

1. Are they going to leave the "turkish cpyriot brothers and sisters out to dry financial burden or not" - to quote your words? And leave the belly of Turkey open to invasion? OR

2. Sell out to the EU? Relinquish the financial burden and leave TRNC to get on with the mess they have created.



Only time will tell?



Yes the "trust stuff" rears it's ugly head agaiin. Read your article and yes I agree, it's blatently racist against TRNC. The GC have to get their act together to convince You and TC's that they can seriously live side by side in a reunified Cyprus. More importantly the more articles that appear like this, the more they alienate themselves from the World. So far from being a negative, it is very positive to TRNC cause.



Kind regards to you.

Selam a lar size

Kay

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 00:50

UK Turk - there should have been a 3) there. I will deal with that tomorrow.

Sorry, I deleted it.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 20:30

kate

you forgot to mention guzelyurt ,the greeks have already stated this must be

given back without any negotiating .

and what will the greeks be offering ,their offer is ,they will recognise us ,very big of them. do you really believe there will be an amicable end.

musin

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 21:19

Musin I'm sorry I forgot about your post!



Yes I agree that they do appear to be making demands before they get around the table. Therefore it is questionable as to whether there is any sincerity to meaningful negotiations on their part, but I don't think they will do their "cause" any good in the long run if they continue their demands. Only time will tell eh?



UK Turk.

3) Turn their back on the EU and the huge benefits that membership will bring for Turkey, and of course the TRNC. Unfortunately they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.



Size basarilar dilerim.

Kay

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
09/09/2008 23:31

kay

not that i want to drag you into a politics debate but please!!!!!

turn their back on the e.u please tell me what benefits, you mean the huge amounts of money thrown at these new countries to make them go into debit so they pay this off the rest of their lifes or how the euro totally messes their economy or how everything is more expensive i.e houses,utilities and cost of living and wages stay the same so they are resorted to leave their countires to pastures green i.e the u.k!!!!!

or even the stupid laws they come up with like a bannana has to be a certain degree otherwise u cant sell them tell that to the farmers family when he cant fed them

you ask anyone in any country that is in the e.u and uses the euro as their monatery system if they are happy they are in this dodgy christian club and u will be hard pressed to hear anything good



at the end of the day the days are gone where the e.u dangle the carrot in front of turkey and they say jump and turkey says how high!!!!! cos now they have wised up that the e.u needs turkey more than turkey needs the e.u cos of the land and sea between south of turkey and the north of cyprus the back door to the middle and far east!!!

so sorry u have failed to convince me on point 3



turkey and the north of cyprus are not stuck they are on top of the rock and they are in a much more stronger postion to the anan plan they blindly said yes too!!!!

regards

ukturk

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 455


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 00:12

UK Turk, I take it you cannot speak Turkish?



You cannot drag me into a political debate.



I think I have addressed this, inter alia in points 1 - 4 of the financial benefiits to TRNC. I am not going to repeat myself here. I can see my friends suffering now, (but maybe you have a good job). In Turkey?



So, you would not like "huge amounts of money" thrown at TRNC then? So, you are averse to tourism, a boost in confidence to your economy by investment? You need to think "outside of the box" on what EU can dio for Turkey and TRNC? we can all quote "bananas", and bamy laws here.



"at the end of the day the days are gone where the e.u dangle the carrot in front of turkey and they say jump and turkey says how high!!!!! cos now they have wised up that the e.u needs turkey more than turkey needs the e.u cos of the land and sea between south of turkey and the north of cyprus the back door to the middle and far east!!!"



As I said.... Only time will tell?



Regards

K

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 09:41

w26kay re post 42.

there is in the trnc a right off possetion. if you can prove that the land has been within your boundries wall/fence since before measurements and records began, then you can apply to the tappu office to make calim to it. we are doing this at the moment as we have a plot measurement problem but our plot and house is one of the oldest in the village. dates well before records began. basically nobody here can use a tape measure correctly. will keep you all informed on how we get on.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 10:23

hi kay

i am turkish so you would be mistaken that i dont speak turkish!

at the end of the day there is no job in turkey that pays well even the best paid jobs you would be lucky to get 2000ytl (£900) and this is working all the hours god sends but you have to think of the bigger picture, at the moment the cost of living is low so your money goes a longer way but if turkey does join the e.u this would mean everything will be in line with the rest of europe i.e cost of living but wages will remain the same so this would have a adverse effect on the population and like i said before they would then leave the country to find work in other places in europe like the u.k who in turn are suffering from the influx of new europeans going their for work



when you say your friends are suffering i take that they are turkish cypriots well my friends and family have been suffering for the last 40 years or so, i think they have got used to it by now the blantant the human rights discrimantion irelavant of turkey's intervention in the 70's

of course i would like money being feed in to north cyprus but being thrown at is another matter at what cost because most monies given by the e.u are loans and grants which are all payable back one way or the other and that means they will be forever in debit to the e.u again just look at other new developing countries that have joined how they are suffering

of course im not against tourisim but you dont need to join the e.u to boost tourisim do you? at the worsrt north cyprus to be reconised is good enuf for me that would boost tourisim and with that this will encourage investment which slowly is happening now with foerign investors aswell as expats buying houses and spending money on their homes which brings in much needed money to the local buisness

whatever the outcome it cant get any worse than it was or has been, e.u membership or not, reunification or indepadance like you said time wil tell

regards

ukturk

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 149


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 11:32

These are some of the things that Hristofyas is demanding at the talks.



1) no more guarantor countries for Cyprus.

2) Only allow upto 50k settlers to stay and all the rest to go back to Turkey although they have been living in Cyprus for the last 30 odd years.

3) Give back Maras (Varoshia)

4) Give back Omorfo (Morphou)

5) Give back part of Karpaz



This is a list of what he thinks he is giving to Turks in return.

1) A local federal entity within their Greek Government unit.

2) No direct flights from Ercan still. Need to use their airports.



Has anyone got anything else we can add to these lists ?



Biker

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
10/09/2008 16:10

Biker,



I didn't think there were any preconditions to the forthcoming talks. I also thought in order to maintain calm no specific points already or to be covered by the technical committees had been released. Where did you get this info?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 06:03

re the airport situation. now i thought they were looking to re open the original airport in lefkosa/nicosia. not mentioned in the talks but is the general feeling from the south.

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 149


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 09:46

Firestarter



What different does opening the the Lefkosa airport will make?

How was controlling that before and who do you think will control it again if it is opened?

PP

The demands of the Greeks are known by all who has been involved in Cyprus affairs so far. It is constantly been repeated in all the newspapers.

I am surprised that you do not know, these being such an intellect.



Hristofias also dictates that the Greek side have given enough sacrifices until 1977 talks and will give no more.

lippylou


Joined: 11/09/2008
Posts: 13


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 12:04

so after reading all these posts, i am none the wiser!!!

Is it wise to buy in Northern Cyprus?

Have they opened any airports in the North yet?

and have any decisions been reached?

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 149


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 12:17

Lippylou



Northern Cyprus is still quite a cheap place to invest. And prices have stallled a bit lately, so might be a good time to buy.

No new airports opened up in the North, but main airport have been renewed in the last few years and it is actually quite modern now. And Car park charges have been introduced too.



No decisions have been reached yet. I guess you are referring to the talks.

I would not hold my breath on that any way.



Biker

lippylou


Joined: 11/09/2008
Posts: 13


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 14:33

Hi Biker,

thanks for your reply, so in your opinion if we buy there, and are sensible, is our investment pretty safe?

Lippy

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 848


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 14:56

The airport in Nicosia/Lefkosa will never be re-opened. There has been too much development build around it in the last 34 years to pass safety standards.



Lem

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 149


Message Posted:
11/09/2008 15:40

lippylou



Your investment is safe as in any other country. (probably safer than Spain, if you consider the latest fiascos we have heard from Spain)

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 1513


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:39

Lemtich,

What about Gectikale airport.Any news on that,

Paul.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
16/09/2008 19:55

not much happening ,you can catch up on turkish press .com







regards

musin

shytallknight


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 41


Message Posted:
16/09/2008 21:54

To be honest I don't think anything is going to change, the GC's look as though they still want their cake and eat it.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
05/10/2008 20:11

talat has said the greeks do not want to share sovereignty,he has told (pace) this is the main problem in finding a solution to cyprus.

talat said the greek administration is still persuing an isolationist policy against turkish cypriots.

the turkish cypriot administration who believe that any power sharing based on

unequal representation within parliament ,as per 1960 is unfair.

at the moment i can see only one outcome with these talks going the same way as all the previous ,lets hope not,but cracks have already appeared.

musin

long live the kktc

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 1513


Message Posted:
05/10/2008 20:29

Musin,

Totally agree with you the gcs will not want to make any concessions as they have to much to loose.When Talat starts reminding them that the tcs were promised lots of things from the last talks and have received nothing he gets talked down ad told that he is not being pro-active.Seems so one sided to me.And as usual the eu have their hands tied behind their backs.Such a shame really as this will be the last chance saloon,

Paul.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
05/10/2008 20:50

paul

sooner or later something has to be done for the t/cs even if the greeks don,t like it .

i find it hard to understand the greeks they ask for unification ,but don,t really want it they proved that in 2004 and they don,t want two different states .

well i,m afraid its one or the other .



musin

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 1513


Message Posted:
05/10/2008 20:59

Musin,

Do you think the talks will get as far as a referendum,

Paul.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 2645


Message Posted:
05/10/2008 21:01

Surely what the GCs want more than anything is the Turkish Army back in Turkey.