Failed Government, Failed Political System..from N/Cyprus daily

apc2010


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:11

Power cuts, a failed airline, a lack of imagination in our foreign policy, a bloated public sector- we have to wonder what is going on.



The answer is actually quite simple and is staring us in the face: we have a government, and a political system, that is not fit to govern and, for the time being, we have no alternatives.







Let’s take a look at the absurdity of our parliamentary system. In the TRNC we are, at best, a population of 250,000. And yet to support this small ‘borough’ we have 50 members of parliament each drawing a salary of perhaps US$40,000 per annum. Who knows what their indirect costs are…Compare this with the UK which has population of 62 Million and 650 MPs. Thus the TRNC with its limited resources has decided that for every 5,000 or so inhabitants we should have an MP. In contrast the UK has 1 MP per hundred thousand of population…

apc2010


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:12

We could accept such a cost base in the TRNC if real progress had been made with the economy or with our negotiations with the Greek Cypriots. Instead we have to live with the fact that we have become a nation of beggars living on handouts from Turkey, and that our only seriously viable commercial activities are casinos and prostitution – and probably much of the profits from these enterprises are exported out of our country.







Turkey channels between US$400 Million and $900 Million per annum to us, depending on the year – thereby providing a third of the TRNC government’s budget. I ask myself if this is the way that we repay those who came to our rescue in 1974 – by taking money from them? Is this the way we repay the families whose sons died to liberate us? Apparently this has become the way of the TRNC government. But let me say loud and clear, not in my name, and surely not in yours either…

apc2010


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:13

the rest of the article is here ....................





http://www.northcyprusdaily.com/news/Opinion/Failed-Government-Failed-Political-System-350922.asp

Goonerboy


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:16

was posted 6months ago

YFred


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:16

Since when have we become We, old girl, back to the soputh of the border. Do not worry your little head over our problems, we survived your suffocation for 45 years and we'll do it for another 45 years.

But I have this funny feeling you are in for some shocking news in January 2011. You better prepare tour real frinds on the other side otherwise they will have a heart attack from inverted ecstacy.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:18

now aoc the cyprus today claims we now have 600, 000 and they will conduct a new cencus under UN guidelines. Where the hell are these people xxxx

YFred


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:18

Leave APC alone. According to one of her palls, in 74, Sampson was preparing tea cake and buscuits for the Turkish Cypriots once he finished with the opposition within the GC community.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:19

sorry gooner just checked the date ...apologies ..

YFred


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:20

Lilli when we get to a million that's when Turkey will say "sod it one man one vote". But don't say anything to APC she will only go an post it to her friends on the other side. I gather it's in 2011.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:21

lilli why are no census figures available ....like t/cs.......mainlanders......ex pats etc ....

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:34

msg1

"we have no alternatives."

the alternative is in front of your eyes APC................. ROC

we have the gas and the oil now so we have to prosper together, in one country .



maybe YFRED will agree to that also .......................................

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:41

APC - you mention the word 'we', but who are we?

apc2010


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:51

to tracer and doyen .....................it was a copy and paste ......open the link and you will see ...not my opinion .....



Post edited.

YFred


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 00:19

Tracer, I don't know what gives you the idea that my lovely cousins down south of ther border actually would want to share anything with the Turkish Cypriots. The only thing they will share is the smoke from the rubbish they are burning just outside Lurucina. Forgive me if I don't jump up and down with joy for your new idea of sharing the roc and its resorces. Not after it was stolen from us at the point of a gun right in front of the International Legal Community.

As to the Oil, the reserves may well be in the South Turkish Coast, who knows, but you will get as much out as the Greeks did out of western Turkish coast.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 00:23

Fred you live in bloody richmond upon thames if your conviction and belief is so strong live on the island or join a political party or something more constructive than widening the bias views on forums .......

YFred


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 02:12

I see no blood where I live. I see my land being stolen and used by GCs legally with the international community's legal blessing and I see my own family who cannot trade crops to the south of the border from our lands. I see no difference between now and when I was there. I have enough intersets in Cyprus and will criticise the roc for they are as racist as can be. Top to bottom allways has been and allways will untill some entity grabs her by the scruff of the neck and gives her a good shake. Shame 74 did not do it but we do live in hope that one day we will wake up and roc will be our all embracing all inclusive country again. But judging by your writings on the other forum and some of your other friends I shall not hold my breath for such an eventuality.

No go post this on the other side and I suggest that they should rotate this into a cylindrical shape and I think they know what to do with it by now.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 03:58

Don't look back in anger or forward in fear but around you in awareness.

tracer


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 09:38

msg 16

This is a post full of bitterness YFRED . but until now you must know my opinion very well WE ARE ALL CYPRIOTS

we must forget and we do not need any "help" from "motherlands" we can do it alone . a cypriot for a cypriot your land is yours and nobody elses yfred, nobody can take that right from you . and also your share of the mineral wealth of this country.

Spearfish



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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 10:00

ccccccccccuuuuuuussssssssssssgggggggggdddddddd

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 10:14

There is a lot of sence is what is being said if folks took the blinkers off and put their bloody minded views to one side. Turkey and the Turkish people are going to get fed up of bailing out TRNC. The Greeks are happy with the staus quo - no world or international recognision. No world trade, No Direct flights. the people in Northern Cyprus (whoever they are and whatever nationality) should be standing up as one for TRNC not squabbling among themselves over handouts from Turkey.

It is interesting to note that as a Slimming World Consultant we organised outselves so that there was one class to 5000 residents....................mmmmmmm........... maybe he/she has a point!!!!!!!

tracer


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 10:42

msg 20

"The Greeks are happy with the staus quo"

the greeks maybe CYPRIOTS ARE NOT.

greeks leave in greece and cypriots in cyprus.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 12:18

My son lived in the south for 7 years and all the Greek cypriots classed themselves as Greeks first and Cypriots second. In the north I have found that they people her class themselves as Cypriots first and Turkish second. The Greek court in Athens declared the Turkish intervention as LEGAL - that is on record in the court in Athens.

YFred


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 13:57

Hildy, there are at least 5 greek Cypriots that are on this forum and another that do not think like that. In fact 35% of the GCs voted for the Annan plan which puts them in this camp. Also another 35% were fooled by their media and president to vote against the plan then it leaves about 30% of GCs who do not wish to live with the TCs. But however you look at it not all GCs aree like that. Unforunately like in the rest of the world, empty bottle makes more noise and these fascist are very vocal. They just seem to be all over the place but they are not



Tracer, I am not bitter at all. Just pointing out some real life truths as I lived it and still do. If Jesus came back and claimed who he was, you guys would put him on the cross without a second thought.

I seem to remeber when I first joined the forums, complaining about the unfairness of the 6 month rule in the south of the border. It seems the EU agree with me, but at the time how many of you guys agreed with me.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 15:14

There is a difference betwen "ideological solutions" and realities! Throughout my student life in college and Uni I was a great defender of "Cypriot" identity, and GCs and TCs having to live together forever after! The realities of Cyprus hit me very hard soon as arrived here almost 3 years ago. These realities are;

A good proportion of Greek Cypriots (including most of the young) DO believe Cyprus is a Greek island. They do believe Turks became partners after the 1974 intervention. They support and defend EOKA-B ideology (similar to Hitler's Nazi force). They want to find a solution so that the rest of the island can eventually become theirs, with the TCs eroding to nothingness in time. They are very strong supporters of anything that is anti-Turkish, including Kurdish terrorism and Armenians.

As much as me wanting to be a Cypriot, happily leaving on my own land in peace, where I will not have to worry about my son's future, it is not something I can really afford at this time.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 16:09

HildySmith-msg 20;



WE,TCs/CTs do NOT get hanouts from Turkey nor WE get bailed out by Turkey.(do please read it twice)



In fact,half the reason of US not being recognised as an Indipendent Republic is Turkey.



In fact,WE contrubute to Turkey's economy alot too as an unrecognised TRNC,because all the while it is like this no other country can interfere or do anything about it.



As WE say in turkish,>>they are the butcher,meat in 1 hand,knife in the other,cut what they want,where they want<<



not to forget to mention the fact that our 'neighbours attitude' gives them the opportunity to do so.

tracer


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Posts: 442

Message Posted:
19/12/2010 17:09

Unforunately like in the rest of the world, empty bottle makes more noise and these fascist are very vocal



but we must not let the few poisoning everything YFRED.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 17:51

Msg 25 are you suggesting the "man on the street" recieves no help from the mainland or that the mainland do not provide financial aid ..????

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
19/12/2010 18:48

well apc2010;



Let me put it like this;



Would you consider,giving your son/doughter 'pocket money' or financial aid as you put it whilst living under your roof,making him/her work for you for nothing and also not allowing him/her from 'self indipendent' a help?





........at the same time,one must not forget to mention how self indipendent our neighbours are..........



http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index.php?module=page&cid=32

apc2010


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 18:51

do not understand that riddle ......a simply explanation would do ....

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 18:52

msg 29;

read it twice,for people like you,it usualy helps to get it!!!..........

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 19:12

re msg 22



>>My son lived in the south for 7 years and all the Greek cypriots classed themselves as Greeks first and Cypriots second. <<



I'm sorry... but that is NONSENSE.. There are Cypriots who'd rather watch GR than CY at footie, but if a Cypriot is doing well at sport - you'd see how daft that statement was..





>>In the north I have found that they people her class themselves as Cypriots first and Turkish second. <<



Unforunately, nonsense, too.. there's more TR folk in 'TRNC' than real TCs...



>>The Greek court in Athens declared the Turkish intervention as LEGAL - that is on record in the court in Athens.<<



A Greek Court did say that following the illegal act of the Greek Military Junta - when democracy was restored.. Unfortunately, the Turks forgot to go home and imported mainlanders to replace the ethnically cleansed GCs and the TCs who continued to leave post '74



( don't forget that GCs fought and died to prevent the Military Coup )

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 20:36

You need therapy mmmmmm

apc2010


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 20:41

why does 6m need therapy? probally the most unbiased as (I think) lived on both sides .?????

YFred


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 20:53

6Ms, I do beg to differ, Turkey did not forget to go home, she is waiting for the GCs to sign the peace agreement. Once that is signed, no problem. While cease fire exists old memetcik aint goin nowhere despite what my lovely cousins south of the border wish for even if it is a xmas wish.

As to my cousins who do not understand the loans Turkey is giving tho the TRoC only benefits some of the civil service not all. Ordinary Memet Hasan in the street gets no financial aid from Turkey what so ever. Ordinarily this would come from the roc. The interesting point her is that given peace then lovely roc will bear the responsibility of all these loans and we will pay our fair share - about 30%, I am afraid the rest will be paid by our lovely cousins which should come to aprox 70%.

Of course the longer it takes bigger the price.

birdman



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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 20:59

Can anyone please tel me how many of the INVADING GREEK ARMY in 1974 ( Who were well trouncd!), are still in OCCUPATION in the South of Cyprus ?

tracer


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 21:06

YFRED give me an agreement that will said that turkey have no interest about Cyprus and i will sign it anytime.

YFred


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 21:17

Tracer, with the resources in the med, she has just as much claim to them as anybody else. Be reasonable, if roc can make a pact with Israel, she can also do one with Turkey to share as Turkey does have a hundreds of miles of south coast. The trouble with your people is that you wish to restrict her to about 20 miles and she will take 200 just like anybody else. UK, Norway springs to mind.

Now, when roc begins to address this issue, then the problem will be solved. So long as they turn their back on Turkey regarding the resources, well you know what happens to back side of the one turning.

Regarding Security, 95% of TCs will not let the guarantee go. Not while those of us who lived 63/67 are still alive. So what ever happens Turkey will be involved especially while your the fascist dogs running around in the south with complete immunity from the police.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 21:17

A very sad and silly thread that only reinforces the North/South divide.

YFred


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 21:19

Birdman, all the top army officers in the south are Greek. Effectively if there is 100,000 reservist and 20,000 soldiers they are all under the control of Greece.

You must be new to this little problem of ours.

YFred


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 21:21

And who started it? Look at all the threads she has started and you will see a pattern.

tracer


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Message Posted:
19/12/2010 21:35

exactly FRED if Turkey leave Cyprus we can sign an agreement for the resources in this part of the Med

is it right for turkey to have an eye for the resourses in the south seas she can have her share from anamur to kerinia and not limasol israil or egypt.



where can the 200 miles can be found ? from greece she cannot get them only with the consent of cyprus that means lets find a solution SOON.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
20/12/2010 13:28

I remember Archbishop Makarios coming to the UK in the 60's when I was a teenager and I was disgusted by what he had to say. He was supposed to be a man of the cloth/church but he was preaching violence. Some of his statements were diabolical - he would not rest in his grave until every Turk was off the island (or words to that effect - can't remember the exact words now) but he preached viloence, death and destruction of all turks on the island - He was supposed to be a man of God. He was on the TV every day spouting his biggoted views and trying to stir up hatred. With reference to the TC's being Turks not TC's I have met hundreds of TC's who were evacuated to England and brought up in England who have now returned to their homeland. They are not Brits (althought they may sound British)- they are Turkish Cypriots and proud of it and happy to be back living in their homland - even if they cannot live in their homes/villages in the South.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 02:31

did you speak greek ..then ??? if so well done ...hiddy...

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
28/12/2010 19:49

I did not need to speak Greek, we have a wonderful establishment called the BBC and they translated verbatim what was said and asked questions and received answers.

The Man was supposed to be a CHRISTIAN if so had he not heard of the 10 commandments.

- Thou shalt not kill

- Love thy neighbour

and

- Peace and goodwill to all men

These are the words he should have been speaking/preaching as a Christian Man of God and a Man of the Cloth.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
28/12/2010 22:01

apc



in your msg 43 ,are you suggesting that hilda is making it up ,you do not know much do you or do you.







musin



long live the kktc

Tiggy


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Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 12:10

Bishop (my arse) I was outside the Greek Orthodox church in Camden Street in 74 where he blubbed that his country had been taken by the Turks and he needed help. Then it was found out that he was the top AOKA bod and that him and his band of criminals had murdered British soldiers pre independence and then later tried to cleanse the island of Cypriots that were deemed to be Turkish. it all ended up with fighting between themselves and to they do not have the balls to own up to what was their fault and maybe a few apologies would not go amiss.



Bishops and clergy are still spouting the same filth today and wonder why the country is still split in two!

tracer


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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 13:51

"and his band of criminals had murdered British soldiers pre independence."

pre independence we call EOKA menbers freedom fighters Tiggy .and at those days not even a nose bleed from a TC

and plenty of them died by hung from those british soldiers.



the formation of EOKA B later on, yes they were a band of criminals ,or as they say "patriots" for the "cause".

we can see their cause up to this days.

YFred


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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 13:58

Tracer, you really should not believe all the rubbish put out by the RoC. Plenty of TCs were killed by eoka before 1960 and after 1963. The biggest mistake eoka made was killing TCs who were police. How stupid was that? It tore the two communities appart.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 14:52

"Jack" are you a Cypriot ? If you are then what will the south of the of lsland cede to the north in a nagioated settlement. The reason I ask this as the south seem to be demanding everything and giving nothing in return.



Unlike some on this board I have Over the years being a member replied less and less to this type of thread. Going around in circles seems the order of the day.



at least you do not get threatened like the non carpet baggers from the true Cyprus forum in the south.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 18:05

tracer



;not even a nose bleed from a tc .



in 1960 my great uncle was the owner of a conbine harvester ,the only one for miles .farmers rented it from him ,one day three gc,s came to the farm and told him and his wife he is not to rent it out anymore,my uncle asked why at which point one of the men pulled out a pistol my aunt got scared he was going to shoot my uncle ,so she jumped in front of my uncle thinking he would not shoot .

he shot her in the groin .



she did not die ,but was never able to walk without a walking stick ever again.



still that,s history now,but please show a little more humanity and stop making remarks like we didn,t even get a nose bleed .





musin



long live the kktc

tracer


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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 19:15

Yfred even Gc were killed by eoka also attacking the police stations anyone who was collaborate with the british was a target. right or wrong

why tmt killed kavazogloy?

msg 49

"Jack" are you a Cypriot ? If you are then what will the south of the of lsland cede to the north in a nagioated settlement. The reason I ask this as the south seem to be demanding everything and giving nothing in return.

YES IAM.



one option is as we were before 63 . (long shot)

other option is 20% but one state i dont want my country split up. and no troops either sides . a place that our childrens can live with out fear or the ghosts of the past.



any of us reaching the 50s we dont know the real facts we heard romurs or from books but nobody is telling the real truth. most of the perpetrators are dead or too old so its time to leave everything behind us .



Just my point of view right or wrong .

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 14:52

So basically nothing.



80% majority! ...........take a look at that from the other side. (good deal your think)!!!!!



As I suspected, not prepared to cede anything, at least you are honest.



Do you really think the 20% would the prepared to be dispersed around the Island and leave themselves totally vunerable again. The way things are at the moment they feel safe.



Annan's deal was thrown back in there faces as they were prepared to take a chance..



You have to be prepared to make real and honest proposals and I really hope you the south have the courage to do this.

tracer


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Message Posted:
30/12/2010 19:01

"Do you really think the 20% would the prepared to be dispersed around the Island and leave themselves totally vunerable again"



not dispersed the 20% will be whole but the population must have the right to live anywhere either in the 20% or 80% , it must be their choice. under "Tc" or "GC" administration .



in the dispersed situation we are going back to 63. its a long shoot..