turkey to build its own fighter jet

anlusan


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 12:48

http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article219778.ece



ANKARA: Turkey has tossed aside plans to purchase the Eurofighter Typhoon and is pursuing an ambitious endeavor to design and produce its own fighter jet instead. The decision, announced by Turkish Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul, is seen as not only an industrial move, but one aimed at boosting national pride with its “Made in Turkey” fighter.



“The decision we have taken now calls for the production of a totally national and original aircraft,” Gonul told reporters last week after a meeting of the powerful Defense Industry Executive Committee decided to nix plans to purchase 60 of the latest Typhoon jet fighters. “This move by the committee effectively is a decision for making Turkey’s first fighter aircraft,” Gonul said. “The Eurofighter is off Turkey’s agenda.”



According to reports, the new aircraft would replace the aging US-made F-4, which had been upgraded by Israel to last well into the next decade, as well as newer F-16s. T

borodave


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 12:54

if they are building it themselves could take years and years and years and years

apc2010


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 12:56

well Israel aren't going to help turkey any time soon ................



Turkish authorities yesterday warned that a bilateral economic deal between Cyprus and Israel aimed at mutual prospecting for oil in the eastern Mediterranean could strain ongoing United Nations-mediated talks aimed at reunifying the divided island............





http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100008_21/12/2010_121910

Stewart


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 12:59

Turkey further distantancing itself from the EU?

anlusan


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 13:05

all good news.

1) israel not going to help - thats the whole point,

2) distance from the eu - another good point. although i would use the word independence from

borodave


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 13:06

distance from eu good move

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 13:58

Good luck to them, but it won't be cheap if it's to be as good as the Typhoon. Could be a mistake though, if they have to go head to head with Greece or Israel.

Stewart


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 17:27

Dear Vaughan..not so sure wether it would be a mistake, rather than an advantage....ie millions / billions spent would be spent in Turkey..not in some EU country that is anti Turkey joining the EU....plus...you would not be relying on another country for your spare parts

aussiejock



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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 17:49

does Turkey have the technology to achieve this, it costs an arm and a leg to build a super fighter In this day and age, the T-50 was Russia’s first all-new warplane since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. so it took nearly 20 years for Russia to get a super fighter into the air, how long will it take Turkey, I think they are way over their heads on this one.





Robert

andre514


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 20:11

whatever they say it will obviously be developed in co-operation with someone



as regards its overall effectiveness, this very much depends on the caliber,

training and experience of the pilots, in turkey's case well above the average



it could be a version of the russian t-50, russia's interpretation of the f22 raptor

dataman


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 23:18

yea, it's the new Spifire !!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 00:37

Wow, a country is building a fighter plane,along with every over Tom Dick and Harry.Just what the world needs .



Who cares about another boys toy,? there are enough toys in the world to destroy us all many times over.

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 01:13

Turkey building a fighter plane? Didn't they build an inferior version of the old Lada?

bigOz


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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 09:33

Turkish military industry has been growing tremendously over the past three decades. They can have ben able to produce their own Destroyers, submarines, unmanned spy planes, heavy mortars, rifles, machineguns, armoured vehicles, helicopters, not to mention almost all parts of the currently produced F16s.

They have the know how and the skill, as wall as the raw materials. The new fighter plane has been given 2 years from drawing board to start building a prototype. There are many Turkish technicians, electricians, production managers in USA, and Germany where such machinery are produced - so what makes peopele think they are less capable than any other European nation, of producing something as such?

The new aircraft planned is expected to be far superior to Typhoon, more lilke the US F35. The delays in the manufacture of Typhoon were more due to economics AND getting the English, German, French scientists and/or technicians cooperate - not an easy task even at the best of times!

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 09:51

No-one doubts Turkeys enthusiasm and determination to design and build their own fighter. What may prove to be insurmountable is the R&D costs and the cost of designing and building the engine(s) weapons and avionics, unless these are bought-in, "off the shelf". If the avionics and weapons aren't up to scratch, they'll be shot down all day long.

If they are bought-in, it won't really be a Turkish fighter, will it.

andre514


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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 19:42

south korea built a highly competitive and advanced trainer



they will need a source of bang up to date engines



while not doubting they have skills and industrial capability,

two aspects of fighter design are very specialised:



omposite wing structures

...and effective flight control software



nonetheless they could still come up with something good

andre514


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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 19:43

it goes without saying that many sytems would be bought-in

YFred


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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 19:51

No need to worry about the Fighter Planes being built in Turkey. You keep going on about technical this and technical that. Well the Turks are very good at one thing an that is copying. Even if they were fighting with swords their arch enemy would run backwards breaking all world records. So common chaps and chappeses,give us a break. Rome was not built in a day. Judging by what I hear from other Nato countries' armies, the TA is well respected all round.



So give it a rest.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 21:09

TRNCVaughan;

There is no country (except the old USSR perhaps) who built an aircraft with 100% of its own own resources! That includes US and European fighter or passenger jets! The avionics, the wings, the engines, landing gear, tyres etc. are all manufactured to given specifications in different countries and put together by the manufacturing country. That includes the Airbuses, Boeings, Tornados, Mirages and the likes (some parts of which are actually manufactured in Turkey!). By your reasoning, no one has been able to produce their own aircraft

Turkey used to spend billions on purchasing parts for old fighters dumped on them by the Americans, so much so, more than half of national expenditure (yearly) used to go on arms! If they invest a fraction of that money in developing their own, it will do their foreign trade balance and economy a world of good!

andre514


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Message Posted:
15/01/2011 22:54

if anyone is still interested in this topic:

my current thinking is they will go for a canard version of the f16 with a late engine,

having relaxed stability for greater agility and to reduce the angle of attack in combat



although turkey built many parts of the current version of this universally popular

single-engined aircraft,

there are two issues they would need to get sorted to make the project more viable:



firstly it would be an advantage in weight-saving to go for an all- laminate wing

and I thought the existing f16 mainplanes are mostly metal alloy (?)

...a fairly specialized manufacturing process is required, they'd need help from somewhere



secondly the all-important f-b-w codes for a destabilized configuration...

the israelis actually test flew two prototypes of a sort of canard f16, the i.a.i. lavi

probably using us software, a similar 'plane later appearing in china as the shenyang f10

...supposedly to the great fury of american air defence officials

dataman


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Message Posted:
15/01/2011 22:59

Probably be their version of the Spitfire, should be ready for 2030.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
16/01/2011 17:52

I understand construction of the 'Uzel Superfighter' is already underway.........in a ring-fenced paddock on the Lefkosa Industrial Estate!

andre514


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Message Posted:
25/01/2011 14:00

if anyone is serious on this matter,

I now think they will cobble together a fast fighter-trainer

rather like the one south korea is working on

...and probably in co-operation with someone else



further down the line they can do a lighter-weight day fighter

some sort of f16 I'd imagine perhaps with canard foreplanes



to go for stealth is in my view unecessary since their f35 fleet

on order are stealthy, although not as much as the f22 raptor



the heavy but very capable eurofighter typhoon is not stealthy

and may not really be essential to turkey's interdiction needs

martinD41


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Message Posted:
25/01/2011 14:05

Turkey are in fact "World Leaders" in the manufacture of "Advanced Avionics"

andre514


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Message Posted:
25/01/2011 14:13

martin message 24,



yes, I see

but there is the question of advanced software for so-called super-agility



ok so the russians designed their latest fighters on the back of an envelope

and can do cobras, sit-up-and-begs and vectored thrust turns till the cows come home home,

but the flight control software for western relaxed stability designs is jealously guarded,

...as I understand it

YFred


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Message Posted:
25/01/2011 14:27

Why does everybody go on and on about technology Turkey is building when everyone knows that no matter hoe well armed an average Greek is, the slightest view of a Turkish Sward and they run for the hills. In 74, they left 4 Tanks at Lurucina, and there weren't any Turkish Soldiers there.

In fact all they have to do is shout boo and the average Greek would fill his vraga to the top. This is getting very boring for me and is very upsetting to my cousins in the south of the border. There they are waiting for Turkey to collapse and the balance of power to change or Israel come and throw the Turks out of Cyprus and you guys go and ruin their wet dreams by mentioning Turkish self built weaponry.

Give them a brake please, preferable a leg or an arm.

I notice their latest preoccupation is the size of the male member all over the world. Only people with a small one would waste their time discussing such things.

andre514


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Message Posted:
25/01/2011 23:02

israel wasted little time after its rejection by turkey in building bridges with south cyprus,

and unlike lot's wife, has never looked back

after all, south cyprus and israel are probably a better-suited couple than the previous set-up

but beware of cyprus-centricity:



true, south cyprus has stopped aiding palestinian embargoe-busting ships

while israel gained a small but vocal partner to argue trade and politics on its behalf inside the eu



for south cyprus it can count in a new member for its wearysome anti-turkish intrigues programme,

and surely there are valuable natural gas opportunities to be explored

all this is true



but israel only wants to try to compensate for the final loss of its valuable former turkish ally,

and is as as unlikely to be lured into any totally bonkers cyprus "peace operation"

than germany or russia for that matter ...all three have bigger fish to fry and far too much to lose