Why oh why do Turkey want to join the EU

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 13:13

Looking at the news on tv this week with all the troubles in the union, why would Turkey want to risk throwing away all it as gained. And join a group set on self destruct, but I suppose if Turkey told them to stick it,they would then be knocking on Turkey's door begging them to join. Look after your own don't subsidise lame ducks

LaptaGeezer


Joined: 01/06/2010
Posts: 407

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 13:21

I totally agree.. the EU is made up of a load of egotistical fools that seem hell bent on making a 'union' that is larger than the US, and at all costs too. I certainly wish the UK had nothing to do with it and any party that seriously put that forward would get my backing. Turkey would be well advised to stay out of the mess that is the 'EU'!!

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 13:38

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/52397.asp

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 13:46

Absolutely right messages 1 & 2...WHY???

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 13:51

To coin a phrase - Turkey shouldn't touch the EU with a barge pole.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 15:07

What I find difficult to understand is why the UKIP, whose warnings over the years have often proved to be well founded, are not making massive progress in popularity polls. I appreciate that they may not be seen as a long term government with sound policies on all matters but surely their views on many aspects should be taken on board and protest voting might rattle the cages and force other parties to address the issues which worry the public. Or, is it the case that moderate and decent people are now outnumbered by a selfish, feckless, majority who think they should be entitled to everything without working for it and that the EU will provide it for generations to come ?

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 16:08

I have concerns about Turkey not joining the EU.



Turkey's allegence would be more to the Middle East than to Europe.



I would prefer Turkey to be with us rather than against us.



Art

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 21:44

dawg msg 6,



Surely you can't put "moderate and decent" in the same paragraph as "UKIP"?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 22:02

Where did you lot study economics?! Turkey exports more than 55 percent of its (still low class) goods to the EU (and the export figures are still growing). Syria, this "fine and promising neighbour" (a police state) of the Turks, is good for about 20 percent. China comes third, the rest is peanuts. And you ask why Turkey wants to become a full EU member? Turkeys economic future is depending on more export (of goods and people) to the EU. That's why.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 22:15

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-230439-belgium-calls-for-an-end-to-populist-language-in-turkeys-eu-bid-debate.html

Middle Easter


Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 146

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 22:28

Turkey will dictate it's terms of entry to the EU. Its like buying a house as the market in falling i.e Turkey will get a cut price entry....otherwise it won't enter..



On a macro economic scale, more direct access to EU 'rich' markets for Turkey is very attractive though, don't underestimate this factor....

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 22:34

dutch ,we do not see eye to eye as everyone knows ...but msg 9 it right ...

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 22:35

Thanks, andy-f, interesting article! And 90 percent of foreign investment in Turkey comes from the EU - what a weak situation for the Turks! Even worse than I thought. Without the EU Turkey would be back in the poorest "Ottoman Empire" circumstances.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 22:44

Denny. What I am trying to say, obviously not too well for you, is that whilst the UKIP cannot be described as moderate or fit for government, they do raise issues which are of concern to the electorate which are avoided by larger parties. Therefore I am surprised that they have not got a greater following if only in protest at the larger parties perceived unwillingness to address the concerns of the electorate. Top ten raises the question of the merit or otherwise of Turkey joining the EU but he is asking the question of people many of whom have already great reservations with regard to the depth of the involvement of the UK in the EU. Personally I cannot see past all the current turbulence within the EU to be able to even hazard a guess of what might be best for Turkey in the long term so I made no comment. The answer of DC does not take into account matters of security as well as economics.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 22:46

RE msg 12, apc2010: I'm neither interested in your opinion nor in a discussion with you. I can't say it more polite. And indeed, everyone on C44 can know and understand that we don't see eye to eye.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 22:48

Hans and APC - please leave it at that.

Zik4zik


Joined: 28/12/2010
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 08:31

From what I have read so far, I thinks the best bet for turkey is to join the EU at turkeys' own term and take advantage of it. It is no hidden fact that as much as the EU depend on Turkey for import goods, so also does turkey depend on the EU for export earning. This interwoven trade dependency is what makes both the EU and Turkey what it is today economically and otherwise. Turkey ignoring the invite of the EU is like a good farmer refusing to sell his harvest just bcos his farm is fertile; the harvest will eventually loose value at home and decay.

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 13:59

A Cantona-ism?

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 21:26

Dawg,



I accept other parties don't address issues highlighted by UKIP but in my opinion this is a good thing. There are a lot of people out there who, regardless of their stupidity, still have a vote. Not only that, but some of them can serve on juries.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:31

and then there is the good old USA who want them in ?

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:38

Msg 20,



USA in the EU?

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:59

Message 20 USA and then...China...India... etc. in the EU?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:23

they want theyre AIR SPACE , its a hop and a jump from UK , they can then bomb the the rest of the world in 30 mins max ?

mahdel


Joined: 28/05/2009
Posts: 255

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:27

@msg 13. I have to disagree with your argument. The reason Turkey is able to export so much to the EU is because their prices are so much more competitive than EU member countries. They have a massive grip on the textile market in many places not because their textiles are better, but because they are so much cheaper without all of the EU regulations. If they join the EU, they will have to compete with all the other EU countries using the same EU regulations. That will kill their edge and their economy would most likely drop acordingly.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:38

This is the story of Turkey and EU 2011 version - Produced and Directed by bigOZ!

Scene-1

Muslim prince falls in love with a Christian princess named Europen Kingdom. The Pricesses family will not allow the marriage on the grounds that any potential husband of an European princess has to be a Good Christian, and extremely wealthy.

Scene-2

Many moons later, now a much wealthier Eastern prince manages to enter the European courts, offering Turkish delights and stealing the hearts of many princesses with his success stories. Serious flirting starts, but the strong Church has the last say everytime a marriage is on the cards. Instead the prince and the princess decided to stay engaged.

Scene-3

Far from being disheartened, now the really strong and getting stronger everyday in the courts of the rest of the kingdoms of the world, the prince has given up the idea of a marriage to the European princess, who has by now grown old, passing the age of giving children to the prince (cont.)

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:50

Scene-4

Meantime, the prince has met some beautiful young eastern princesses, with no problems regarding culture and religion. For a moment he thinks of breaking up the engagement. But hold on! The princess' family will hate him and are liklely to join his enemies to harm his new found growing wealth! The likelyhood of this is fuelled by the fact that, the families of the new princesses waiting in line, are not exactly allies with the European Kingdom. Problem!

Scene-5

The father of the prince thinks of a clever ploy; He is aware that the möore he begs to become a family as in laws, the more the European Kingdoms will refuse. The prince does not have to marry the Eastern Beauties but keep them in his Harem instead, until such a time the muslim kingdom will not fear the wrath of the Western Kingdoms. (cont)

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:06

Final Scene

The prince stays engaged to the European princess, pretends to still want her, securing the safety of his kingdom, but constantly fights to put his own house in order with the support of the unsuspecting European Kingdom. He waits for his wealth and strength to reach levels, when he no longer needs the political support of the European Kingdoms, and throws the engagement ring in their faces, as soon as he becomes a power to be reckoned with!

Epilogue

The prince marries few of the beutiful Eastern princesses in his Harem, has dozens of children and lives happily ever after, in his ever prospering secure Kingdom...

SON

FIN

ENDE

τέλος

конец

FINALE

THE END

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:55

Denny, I am sorry but I do not share your view that the main political parties should ignore or avoid the many issues which are of concern to the majority of the electorate when minority but extreme parties vent their views. If these issues were properly addressed by main parties it would starve the extreme parties of many of their following.