Euthanasia discussion

no1doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
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Message Posted:
09/09/2008 21:36

Should we be allowed to make a decision as to when we are ready to die?

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
09/09/2008 21:47

yes

who best to make that decision.If you have made that decision I dont see that being allowed or not enters into.The only thing being allowed to or not, would determine is what method.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
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Message Posted:
09/09/2008 22:24

Don't do it Bill. We can talk mate

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
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Message Posted:
09/09/2008 22:25

Trouble is when you perhaps need to make that decision, it's too late your mind has already gone.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 00:56

The problem is that the state you are in that makes you decide to end it, also could mean you do not have the physical ability to do it.This puts an intolerable burden and a no win situation on loved ones insofar as they risk going to prison for assisting ,or.have to live with the knowledge that they didnt alleviate the suffering.

Remember the Diane Pretty case, where she wanted her husband be allowed to help her without being jailed.Her fear was that as she was moving to a state of no muscular control,she would slowly choke to death if no one was around.

cyprus-bunny


Joined: 21/08/2008
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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 09:46

naaaaa i dont think so, you should never let the hope go off your hands

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 10:19

My son is in the military - He kills people for a living. But as you're a mate I can probably get him to kill you for nothing!!

mountbatten


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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 10:32

no1doyen,are you referring to physical health or mental health

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 10:54

Physical Health. For example, imagine you were informed by a specialist that you had Motor Neurone Disease. Should you be allowed to end your life with dignity. Should a Doctor be able to give you some form of medication to end your life prior to this terrible disease taking hold of you?

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 10:55

Since I gave up hope, I've felt much better!



Lem

stellasstar1



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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 11:24

Yes you should be allowed to ask the doctors to give you something to put you to sleep for ever. We keep humans alive in pain and with no dignity. If it was an animal we would say it is only kind to put it out of it's misery.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 11:43

yep i totally agree with it. the law in the uk doesn't allow you to let an animal suffer, why does it let people suffer?

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 12:53

No 1 Doyen.



Motor Neurone disease afflicts one of my all time heroes i.e professor Stephen Hawkin. He is still contributing immensly to the world of physics and mathematics. He also appears to be enjoying life as best he can in the circumstances. I guess it is 'mind over matter' with him in any case. I am being a little unfair here, however, to pick on a disease that you only mentioned as an example. Apologies.



If all accepted medical opinion confirms that there is no hope and the person in question will deteriorate with the consequent suffering then ,yes, they should be allowed their wish. IMO

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 12:56

i personally have divided feelings on this topic

simbas

gary65


Joined: 15/05/2008
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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 13:01

I'm afraid that if euthansia was made law it would be open to abuse , my own personal view would be old people would be put to sleep left right and center

Abortion was made law two decades ago , it would only be used if the woman was in danger and two doctors would agree to this fact , now they have abortion clinics and some women use it as a form of contraception , i'm afraid that euthansion would be abused in the same way with the most vunerable in our society

Elliecy


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
10/09/2008 13:09

I think it should. People (particularly those will terminal illnesses) should be able to have that option. It is legal in other countries (ie Switzerland) and should I ever (God forbid) be in that situation, I would want to be able to consider that option.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 13:17

I certainly think leaving people to throw themselves off a cliff or high rise building in desperation is irresponsible... they could kill someone else by accident... give them the option and no one is the victim... make sure more than one person knows the decision and sees the sense of their decision otherwise you are opening the door to the likes of Dr Death (Harold Shipman).

PtePike



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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 18:22

Groucho: "I certainly think leaving people to throw themselves off a cliff or high rise building in desperation is irresponsible... they could kill someone else by accident..."



You seeem to have a selective level of flippancy when it come to the subject of death:





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Sounds as if you're miffed because there's free speech for all over here. But never mind all that - how could you go to a dinner party if we wouldn't have you in the Mess? ;)

littlenige



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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 18:48

I have been dying to discuss this as I am All in favour of D N R if the quality off life if resusitated is below a certain standard

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 19:18

Yes. I totally agree with this.

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
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Message Posted:
10/09/2008 19:38

Both my parents wishes were that they should not be kept alive by machines, My Mother was in ICU for 3 weeks and couldn't breathe without support. Ultimately, after discussing the matter with the Consultant and Doctors, I had to make the decision, which I did, I followed Her wishes.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
10/09/2008 21:27

IMHO, both DNR and removal of life support are acceptable. They are following the natural order of events, both are keeping someone alive by artificial stimulus.



As for the actual taking of life, my own beliefs do not accept it either as suicide or of "murder". That said if the time ever came I do not know how I would react.