11,000 properties owners being shafted

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 20:51

I tuned into a radio program in london a couple of weeks ago and was amazed to hear the presenter stating there was as many as 11,000 people being stiched up in TRNC this cannot be true can it I know I have problems but it cannot be that many surely!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 20:57

Maybe it was "potentially" 11,000 people ?



There are many who have bought in the TRNC and are resting on their laurels, or are choosing to ignore any potential nightmare scenarios in the hope that they will go away.



If you haven't got deeds then you are a potential victim.



If you have deeds, but have bought "Exchange" title property, then this may bring its own "stitched up" worries somewhere down the line.

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 21:07

Well thats a relief only potential 11000 people I'll sleep better tonight



cheers

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
16/01/2011 21:15

It still isn't easy. We have our Kocan on a pre-74 Turkish Title, deemed the 'Safest' 6 years ago when we bought. When we hopefully sell, will the buyer even get PTP on the property?

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 21:18

What was the programme and who was the presenter? Who gave the info and was it said where the info came from? That could be a beginning point before panic sets in to those of the 11,000 who were unaware they were in that number.



As to pre 74 it would appear that the onlypeople who can buy are TC's and that gives them a HUGE bargaining power.

Fair? Don't think so,l but at least there are potential buyers.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 21:58

If TC's are the only ones who can buy pre 74 this is BLATANT RACISM. The TRNC government are not fit for purpose.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 22:03

"If TC's are the only ones who can buy pre 74 this is BLATANT RACISM. The TRNC government are not fit for purpose."



Old news I'm afraid. And the sad thing is, the TRNC government really doesn't care.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 22:19

Quarmby/Hector



Oh no....the TRNC government are much cleverer than that.



They will allow foreigners to BUY Pre-74 Turkish Title Deeds...no racism there....they just won't allow them to actually OWN them !

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 22:20

I believe the radio station Was London Turkish Radio no idea of the presenter

nilmoney


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Message Posted:
16/01/2011 22:25

Also I'm sure they talked about pre74 and i believe it was stated that these deeds can only be passed on to T.cs

I also like to state it is not just expats this is happening to local T.CS Our neighbours are in exactly the same position as we are. with the stress of it all some have fallen seriously ill its not good folks

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 23:22

I know there are 1400 properties with known memorandums on them.

I know that there are properties also with mortgages on them.

I dread to think of how many unfinished shells are dotted all over the island.

Many have not got their title deeds so are at risk of memorandums. A memorandum takes precedent over registration and there are now increasing numbers of developers running into financial problems and this appears an increasingly popular way of paying their debts.

You only have to look at the large housing estates that are involved in the above scenarios to realise that its a substantial amount.



11000 sounds exaggerated but its more than likely nearer the mark than the usual cries of "only a few have a bad experience"

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 00:08

I think you will find that the programme was Drivetime with Fevzi Hussein of Embargoed! and Canan Nuri, and it is on Turkish Radio. On that particular programme I believe that Pauline Read had a bit of a say so! The statistics given could be correct,but I am sure that Pauline or Fevzi would clarify that. It could be that the number refers to the number of ex Pats who have properties here, whether as residences or holiday homes, and that includes those who have bought and living in them, those who have paid and got nothing (the Robb saga and others) an d others where PTP has not been given due to the geography etc. And of course those on Exchange land etc, etc. So the figure could be that as an overall figure. But if it is really important, I know someone who knows someone who could fin d out more, or maybe Miss marples would like to comment for Pauline Read.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 01:31

It was London Turkish radio and the presenter was Fevzi Hussein the leader of embargoed and he has his facts absolutely correct. The programme phoned Pauline in the TRNC and she was on the prgoramme live from TRNC for about 10 minutes. Yes Fevzi is a staunch campaigner for the trnc to have all embargoes lifted so he would the last one to lie about the figures. Many more victims faxed, e mailed and phoned in too.



It is as bad as they say and now Boyut are about to join the auction queue. Get your heads out of the sand and read North Cyprus Free Press, the internet paper that tells it like it is........better still send in an article about your situation, always looking for new contributers.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 01:45

11,000, well if you consider that the market prices are plummeting and if you happen to want to sell now, then everyone here is affected. But really the most urgent are those about to go to auction because it means the government and the legal system are rubber stamping theft and showing no inclination to do anything to stop it. Also as important are the no builds, part builds, exorbitant electricity and water, no electricity and water, the racism over issuing PTP.s and on and on and on. Saying it is happening everywhere is just an excuse to do nothing and not acceptable. It is hard to find someone who isn't affected if only ina small way.

berilela


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Posts: 590

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 07:02

pollymarples yes ours is bouyts and yes they are going up for auction soon

rwilson


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Message Posted:
17/01/2011 10:47

Drivetime with Fevzi Hussein of Embargoed! and Canan Nuri is on this Tuesday evening on London Turkish Radio.



Its in English and I am told this week will include information on the Cyprus property question.



6pm UK time, 8pm TRNC time



If you google London Turkish Radio you can listen in on your pc.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 11:53

If there are 11,000 people being stitched up, then there are just as many, or more, who are happy with their purchase and have their deeds. This dose not seem to add up, it would mean that at least 22,000 Brits are involve with property purchase in the TRNC. I have always had great respect for the work of Embargo and other groups, and have turned out to support people in trouble here in the TRNC, but exaggerated claims do more harm than good. I would also like to point out that in the south the number of people in trouble is purported to be130,000. There must be some way of finding out the true figures here, which I am sure would be bad enough. Most TC's are ashamed and sickened by what their government allows to happen in their country and in their name.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 11:58

I think this great song, by Tom Petty, is very applicable to the grievous situation caused to so many people by the TRNC government condoned property scam scenario.....



Let us, at least, try and take heart from it......................





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lA&NR=1

sapper


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 15

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 12:02

Forgive my ignorance i am new to this but if this figure is as high as mentioned why do not all these people join together as one and demonstrate they would not dare to act against a massive demo would they imagine say half this ammount having a meeting

I have read all the sad stories surely its time to take direct action if these stories are indeed true



madge

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 12:42

msg 19....Good Idea!.I don't think they have 11,000 empty jail cells.It might work?" YOU FIRST "

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 12:43

madge welcome to the forum, its not as straight forward as you think living here..there are a lot of do's and dont's, we are not allowed to do demonstrations here.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 13:08

11,000 what a load of tosh nowhere near that figure, although some on here would like you to think so.



If the scaremongering brigade actually used more accuratte figures and facts rather than wild fantasy they would be more believable and probably get more support but at the moment they make themeselves as about as credible as the people they are consistently complaining about.

gardenmaker


Joined: 01/09/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 13:20

and how many on the dark side in the same position??

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 13:37

It is a known fact that 76.4% of statistics are incorrect, (I can prove this statement if need be) so I dont think I will lose too much sleep.

Michael

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 15:30

European Court of Human Rights ECHR and the Immovable Property Commission IPC.



http://www.northcyprusipc.org

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 15:46

msg24...CJtill...........So only 23.6% of all statistics are "correct"......that would give me insomnia

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 16:59

We bought a villa with a Rotunda for mountain and sea views but the Wildebeest (bless her) wants to know why it is now looking unlike a recreational facility and more like a machine gun nest with a 180 deg field of fire ! Is Brinsley's Bazooka recoilless ?

sapper


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 15

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 17:48

Wish i never started this thread now

bye

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 18:06

11,000, rubbish it's only 6,000 plus or minus 5000!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 19:07

I wouls say that 11,000 is just the tip of the iceberg. 7 brits in my street have been shafted

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 20:14

load of rubbish , all of it propoganda , scaremongering, call it what you want , its still tosh.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 20:17

well they are loving it on south side forum, they are having a field day over this xxxxxxxx Carpet Baggers again they say xx

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 20:28

rowlo (mess 31)



Hiss is a dreadful disease! you have my sympathy!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 20:41

Can anyone explain to me why Gary Robb's houses (all without deeds) haven't yet been Auctioned to pay his creditors (could it be because we are NOT a Bank)? just british citizens?

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 21:34

I listened to the radio program, there was no mention of the figures quoted above its just getting all out of hand again.

The program did mention that there were a lot of problems and the presenter who is Turkish Cypriot was embarrassed that his Goverment is not and are not doing enough about the problems here.

He also went on to say that he would not bring his family up here,Until the goverment sort the problems of the country out.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 23:44

~Whether the statistics are correct, the fact remains that a VERY LARGE NUMBER of people have been caused a lot of unnecessary pain over property matters. It has hurt them financially, emotionally and in many cases physically, and they have received little if no help from the people who could help.



One has to ask whether the pain of one person is less great because there are another 10,999 who feel the same pain, or whether the pain is just as accute even if only one other person feels the same pain.



In one sense numbers do not matter - but the problem does.



So to me, whether 11,000 (which could well be an accurate figure, as it is said that some 30,000 Brits have an interest in property here), or six, help is still needed!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 23:55

It certainly is a very large number, trying to get to grips with just how many is really difficult! one thing is certain Maz, as far as I know not one victim has been helped by the TRNC Government!



The pain for every victim is personal to them, there are so many different scenarios!



The awful thing is it is still continuing! so I can see no end! just more and more victims will continue to surface in the foreseeable future!

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 00:59

Lilli appreciate their pain. They though they had a chance to get the whole of Cyprus and in just a few days they lost 37.5%. About 135,000 people lost their property. I suspect at least 50,000 who have memory of their life in the north are still alive.

If only we could harness all that hot air from the south of the border, if only.

sapper


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 15

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 13:20

Lili

Do you have a link for the south forum please



Bye the way the figure of 11000 was definatly mentioned on that radio program

that is what spooked me

Since then people have been doing searches at the land registry only to find that they too have morgages /memos on their paid up properties, even after they registered their contracts memos have been granted so i suggest if you do not have your deeds have a search done and dont trust the local advocates do it yourself. I do not wish to frighten you folks but you must carry out your searches on a regular basics untill your deeds have been granted.





madge